Re: fibro breasts, iodine, and constipation...long

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That's really interesting Lynn. I wonder if Iodine

also blocks Progesterone receptors - I know that many

times they are the same receptors for Progesterone and

Estrogen. I'm on Progesterone replacement right now

but not Estrogen - am Estrogen Dominant. Thanks for

putting this info out!

--- Lynn <lyn122@...> wrote:

> My thoughts on the possiblities are:

> - Lynne's hypothesis that bromide detox causes

> constipation is it

> - iodoral kills of the intestinal flora and that's

> the root problem

> but I don't feel malabsorbtion problems.

> - magnesium has a loading period and I was low but

> it's going to take

> awhile to build it up. Until then I'm going to keep

> having this

> problem with too much vs too little. I'm doubtful on

> this one though...

> - iodine locks up too many of the gut estrogen

> receptors that line the

> gut. And the gut is loaded witht them.

>

> Prehaps I really need to increase my estrogen to

> feed the receptors

> now made more sensitive by iodine since iodine seems

> to shut down

> hormone receptors.

> Or maybe since I'm using so little estrogen the

> iodine has shut down

> most of my gut receptors and I need more estrogen to

> create more.

> I'm also losing hair like crazy right now so I'm

> fairly sure the

> iodine is causing major changes with my estrogen.

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>From: JD <ybr1959@...>

>That's really interesting Lynn. I wonder if Iodine

>also blocks Progesterone receptors - I know that many

>times they are the same receptors for Progesterone and

>Estrogen. I'm on Progesterone replacement right now

>but not Estrogen - am Estrogen Dominant. Thanks for

>putting this info out!

It should be interesting to see if your progesterone increases on the

iodine, assuming you get saliva testing for that. I have heard from at

least one person that when one goes on large doses of iodine, the

progesterone levels increase considerably.

Skipper

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[Guest guest]

> That's really interesting Lynn. I wonder if Iodine

> also blocks Progesterone receptors - I know that many

> times they are the same receptors for Progesterone and

> Estrogen. I'm on Progesterone replacement right now

> but not Estrogen - am Estrogen Dominant. Thanks for

> putting this info out!

According to Dr. Flechas the answer is no. I asked that question

directly. He said progesterone seems to help iodine get into cells

better. I don't know if this is good or bad however.

He also said iodine makes all hormone receptors more sensitive.

BTW>...for many years I thought I was estrogen dominant. Now I believe

it was the other way around ...I was progesterone dominant. Since I've

been experimenting with estrogen I see many of my problems resulted

from too little estrogen especially as my levels dropped during the

luteal phase of my periods. Using estrogen was one of the first things

that started to help my fibro. breasts...not totally like iodine has

but it sure made a dent.

Lynn

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--- JD <ybr1959@...> wrote:

> > That's really interesting Lynn. I wonder if Iodine

> > also blocks Progesterone receptors - I know that

> many

> > times they are the same receptors for Progesterone

> and

> > Estrogen. I'm on Progesterone replacement right

> now

> > but not Estrogen - am Estrogen Dominant. Thanks

> for

> > putting this info out!

--- Lynn <lyn122@...> wrote:

>

> According to Dr. Flechas the answer is no. I asked

> that question

> directly. He said progesterone seems to help iodine

> get into cells

> better. I don't know if this is good or bad however.

Good, good. Well, for me it's good anyway. Glad you

asked that question.

> He also said iodine makes all hormone receptors more

> sensitive.

hmm, ok. I suppose it's one thing to have an excess

amount of iodine making the hormone receptors more

sensitive, but normal levels of iodine wouldn't cause

anything OVERLY sensitive to happen such as an

Estrogen takeover of the receptors?

>

> BTW>...for many years I thought I was estrogen

> dominant. Now I believe

> it was the other way around ...I was progesterone

> dominant. Since I've

> been experimenting with estrogen I see many of my

> problems resulted

> from too little estrogen especially as my levels

> dropped during the

> luteal phase of my periods. Using estrogen was one

> of the first things

> that started to help my fibro. breasts...not totally

> like iodine has

> but it sure made a dent.

I've heard some stories about symptoms when Estrogen

levels are too low - not too pleasant at all!! Uck.

Glad you are getting yours resolved and feeling better

with the fibro breasts.

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So what happens if your cancer is both ER and PR positive? Does the increased progesterone feed the cancer? That sounds a bit counterproductive to me!

It should be interesting to see if your progesterone increases on the iodine, assuming you get saliva testing for that. I have heard from at least one person that when one goes on large doses of iodine, the progesterone levels increase considerably.Skipper

[Guest guest]

That would be great to see how it tests out. Yes I am

using Saliva Tests to keep track.

I may be able to drop down a bit from 240 mg.

Progesterone Cream if the Iodoral works to take up the

slack for me.

--- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

> >From: JD <ybr1959@...>

>

> >That's really interesting Lynn. I wonder if Iodine

> >also blocks Progesterone receptors - I know that

> many

> >times they are the same receptors for Progesterone

> and

> >Estrogen. I'm on Progesterone replacement right now

> >but not Estrogen - am Estrogen Dominant. Thanks for

> >putting this info out!

>

> It should be interesting to see if your progesterone

> increases on the

> iodine, assuming you get saliva testing for that. I

> have heard from at

> least one person that when one goes on large doses

> of iodine, the

> progesterone levels increase considerably.

>

> Skipper

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I've seen research that indicates that HRT using both

Estrogen and Progesterone had a closer association for

developing ER/PR positive disease that HRT using

Estrogen alone did.

But I've only seen this in relation to synthetic HRT,

not bioidentical HRT.

So I suppose this would be something to keep in mind

when increasing Iodine if Iodine has the effect of

increasing Progesterone to abnormal levels.

--- King's Song <melanie@...> wrote:

> So what happens if your cancer is both ER and PR

> positive? Does the increased progesterone feed the

> cancer? That sounds a bit counterproductive to me!

>

>

>

>

> It should be interesting to see if your

> progesterone increases on the

> iodine, assuming you get saliva testing for that.

> I have heard from at

> least one person that when one goes on large doses

> of iodine, the

> progesterone levels increase considerably.

>

> Skipper

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Increased progesterone fosters somewhat increased cortisol.

We need an ideal amount of cortisol, but if too much cortisol

this is immunosuppressive which would be a problem in cancer,

as well as predisposing more to various infections

fungal, viral, bacterial.

Fascinating topic on the iodine->progesterone. Do keep us all

informed! I'd like to hear anyone else's experience on this

as well - please post.

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" King's Song " <melanie@...> wrote:

> So what happens if your cancer is both ER and PR positive? Does

the increased progesterone feed the cancer? That sounds a bit

counterproductive to me!

>

>

>

>

> It should be interesting to see if your progesterone increases

on the

> iodine, assuming you get saliva testing for that. I have heard

from at

> least one person that when one goes on large doses of iodine,

the

> progesterone levels increase considerably.

>

> Skipper

>

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> - low magnesium...well maybe but I can't seem to get

> the magnesium to

> regulated in a way that makes me feel normal. Enough to rid the

> iodoral constipation causes loose stools. Spreading it out

> during the

> day or getting it in transdermally causes my muscles to

> be too relaxed

> for comfort and my heart to beat weirdly. I'm doubtful on the

> magnesium as the reason but will still use it for now.

Need adequate calcium too. Cal and mag seems to work well together.

Mag keeps the stool soft, the cal and thyroid help the

peristalsis for complete action. Proportions best for the person

vary. I do best on the usual cal:mag 2:1. Others prefer 1:1 or

1:2. I experimented earlier this yr with 1:1 and 1:2, but after

nearly a year, I have to say the 2:1 is far superior for me.

I also slept better and felt like I dreamed some vs. not. FWIW,

Carol

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Lynn,

> So anyhow as far as I can tell my constipation is not due to:

> - silica in the tabs because other tabs with silca don't cause this

> - low fiber, probiotics (more on this one though), low vegetable or

> fruit intake, low water or any this kind of stuff because my diet is

> the same as pre-iodoral.

Somewhere in a previous post someone talked with an iodine doc about

constipation (I believe it was Abrahms). He said that we need to

increase our water because iodine helps water getting into the cells,

and if you don't increase less is available for the bowels. So if you

haven't changed your pre-iodoral water, this might be something to

try. When I tried it, worked by the next day.

Best,

Sharon

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>From: " cbwillis9 " <cbwillis9@...>

2006 07:30:45 -0000

>

>Increased progesterone fosters somewhat increased cortisol.

>We need an ideal amount of cortisol, but if too much cortisol

>this is immunosuppressive which would be a problem in cancer,

>as well as predisposing more to various infections

>fungal, viral, bacterial.

Progesterone doesn't turn into just cortisol, but also DHEA, testosterone,

and estrogen so it depends on how your body handles it.

When cortisol is high, there may be reasons. Since Vitamin C can lower

cortisol, that implies it could be nutritional deficiencies. In some cases,

taking DHEA will lower cortisol as Atkins and Durrant-Peatfield reported,

but Lowe reported it wasn't always true, and explained why.

Phosphatidylserine will also lower cortisol and greatly help with brain

function. Since that's a fatty acid, that may also have something to do

with nutritional deficiency (and makes me wonder if cod liver oil would

accomplish the same thing.)

I don't know about the general population, but in most hypos, low cortisol

is more likely to be a problem. It seems as though Vliet may have said that

low estrogen can also be a cause of high cortisol.

Skipper

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>From: JD <ybr1959@...>

>I've seen research that indicates that HRT using both

>Estrogen and Progesterone had a closer association for

>developing ER/PR positive disease that HRT using

>Estrogen alone did.

>

>But I've only seen this in relation to synthetic HRT,

>not bioidentical HRT.

Which makes the study irrelevant, as it's not a great surprise that

synthetic chemicals would cause all kinds of problems.

>

>So I suppose this would be something to keep in mind

>when increasing Iodine if Iodine has the effect of

>increasing Progesterone to abnormal levels.

Lee's philosophy was to only give bio-identical hormones to them who were

low in them. In many cases, the need was only temporary.

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>From: JD <ybr1959@...>

>That would be great to see how it tests out. Yes I am

>using Saliva Tests to keep track.

>

>I may be able to drop down a bit from 240 mg.

>Progesterone Cream if the Iodoral works to take up the

>slack for me.

What's the 240 mg cream mean? Lee advocated creams with 970 mg of

progesterone per 2 ounces, which would be 485 per ounce, or since he

expected it to last about 2 months, would be 16 mg per day. What's the 240

mg in relation to? I would hope that's not one dose.

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well my dose is 250mg progesterone per day, but also balanced by 5mg estradiol. These are doses recommneded by Hertoghe MD.

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Lee advocated 1000 mg. per two ounces of cream, from

what I've read.

My cream has 1000 mg. per two ounce jar.

Which in this case is also 20 mg. of Progesterone per

1/4 tsp.

I have a large amount of Estrogen stored up in my fat

cells (extremely overweight at the moment), and on top

of not making any Progesterone, this causes me horrid

symptoms as well as hemorrhaging with palm-sized clots

for which I have ended up in Emergency.

I had the same thing happen when I was a girl just

starting my periods, except I wasn't overweight then,

I just was not making Progesterone. I had to have

numerous D & C's, blood transfusions, etc.

Now I find at the other end when I am going through

perimenopause, I am again not making Progesterone.

240 mg. of Progesterone, after trying other amounts,

is what I currently need in order to prevent those

symptoms completely.

I have tried even backing off by 20 mg. and it's no

good. Symptoms reoccur. 240 mg. is what does it for

me.

As I lose weight and my large stores of Estrogen

diminish I expect that I will be able to drop down

from 240 mg. of Progesterone, but I will certainly go

by symptoms in determining that. Until then, 240 mg.

is keeping me from bleeding to death and being a total

b*tch about it, quite nicely. <grin>

--- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

> >From: JD <ybr1959@...>

>

> >That would be great to see how it tests out. Yes I

> am

> >using Saliva Tests to keep track.

> >

> >I may be able to drop down a bit from 240 mg.

> >Progesterone Cream if the Iodoral works to take up

> the

> >slack for me.

>

> What's the 240 mg cream mean? Lee advocated creams

> with 970 mg of

> progesterone per 2 ounces, which would be 485 per

> ounce, or since he

> expected it to last about 2 months, would be 16 mg

> per day. What's the 240

> mg in relation to? I would hope that's not one

> dose.

>

> Skipper

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why not try a aromatase inhibitor ,like andropausal men use with high estrogen levels..JD <ybr1959@...> wrote: Lee advocated 1000 mg. per two ounces of cream, from what I've read. My cream has 1000 mg. per two ounce jar. Which in this case is also 20 mg. of Progesterone per 1/4 tsp. I have a large amount of Estrogen stored up in my fat cells (extremely overweight at the moment), and on top of not making any Progesterone, this causes me horrid symptoms as well as hemorrhaging with

palm-sized clots for which I have ended up in Emergency. I had the same thing happen when I was a girl just starting my periods, except I wasn't overweight then, I just was not making Progesterone. I had to have numerous D & C's, blood transfusions, etc. Now I find at the other end when I am going through perimenopause, I am again not making Progesterone. 240 mg. of Progesterone, after trying other amounts, is what I currently need in order to prevent those symptoms completely. I have tried even backing off by 20 mg. and it's no good. Symptoms reoccur. 240 mg. is what does it for me. As I lose weight and my large stores of Estrogen diminish I expect that I will be able to drop down from 240 mg. of Progesterone, but I will certainly go by symptoms in determining that. Until then, 240 mg. is keeping me from bleeding to death and being a total b*tch about it, quite nicely.

<grin> --- Skipper Beers <lsb149hotmail> wrote: > >From: JD <ybr1959 > > > >That would be great to see how it tests out. Yes I > am > >using Saliva Tests to keep track. > > > >I may be able to drop down a bit from 240 mg. > >Progesterone Cream if the Iodoral works to take up > the > >slack for me. > > What's the 240 mg cream mean? Lee advocated creams > with 970 mg of > progesterone per 2 ounces, which would be 485 per > ounce, or since he > expected it to last about 2 months, would be 16 mg > per day. What's the 240 > mg in relation to? I would hope that's not one > dose. > > Skipper

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Good suggestion ph, and I've thought about that

too.

I considered DIM as well, but then learned that it can

have an inhibitory effect on thyroid hormone

synthesizing action which can worsen hypothyroid.

Also I learned that DIM breaks down into a substance

which competes for Iodine uptake by the thyroid,

shutting out the Iodine, so I've decided it's not for

me. I'm staying away from cruciferous veggies because

of this too, until I get my Thyroid under control

(hypo with Hashi's).

I've decided in regards to the large amounts of

Estrogen I'm storing, for me it is best to just lose

the weight since that's what really needs to be done

urgently (and I've already begun), and see where the

Estrogen is then at my right weight. Then go from

there. In the meantime the 240 mg. of Progesterone is

working fine and isn't harmful.

Oh, Skipper if you're reading this I forgot to answer

your last question, sorry. No, the 240 mg. isn't in

one dose - with Progesterone half-life of about 12-15

hours in the body, I split the dose 12 hours apart for

24 hour coverage.

--- joseph enright <jfj5032003@...> wrote:

> why not try a aromatase inhibitor ,like andropausal

> men use with high estrogen levels..

>

> JD <ybr1959@...> wrote:

> Lee advocated 1000 mg. per two ounces of

> cream, from

> what I've read.

>

> My cream has 1000 mg. per two ounce jar.

> Which in this case is also 20 mg. of Progesterone

> per

> 1/4 tsp.

>

> I have a large amount of Estrogen stored up in my

> fat

> cells (extremely overweight at the moment), and on

> top

> of not making any Progesterone, this causes me

> horrid

> symptoms as well as hemorrhaging with palm-sized

> clots

> for which I have ended up in Emergency.

>

> I had the same thing happen when I was a girl just

> starting my periods, except I wasn't overweight

> then,

> I just was not making Progesterone. I had to have

> numerous D & C's, blood transfusions, etc.

>

> Now I find at the other end when I am going through

> perimenopause, I am again not making Progesterone.

>

> 240 mg. of Progesterone, after trying other

> amounts,

> is what I currently need in order to prevent those

> symptoms completely.

>

> I have tried even backing off by 20 mg. and it's no

> good. Symptoms reoccur. 240 mg. is what does it for

> me.

>

> As I lose weight and my large stores of Estrogen

> diminish I expect that I will be able to drop down

> from 240 mg. of Progesterone, but I will certainly

> go

> by symptoms in determining that. Until then, 240

> mg.

> is keeping me from bleeding to death and being a

> total

> b*tch about it, quite nicely. <grin>

>

>

>

> --- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

>

> > >From: JD <ybr1959@...>

> >

> > >That would be great to see how it tests out. Yes

> I

> > am

> > >using Saliva Tests to keep track.

> > >

> > >I may be able to drop down a bit from 240 mg.

> > >Progesterone Cream if the Iodoral works to take

> up

> > the

> > >slack for me.

> >

> > What's the 240 mg cream mean? Lee advocated

> creams

> > with 970 mg of

> > progesterone per 2 ounces, which would be 485 per

> > ounce, or since he

> > expected it to last about 2 months, would be 16

> mg

> > per day. What's the 240

> > mg in relation to? I would hope that's not one

> > dose.

> >

> > Skipper

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How do find enough spots to put that much on?  I have a hard time getting 1/2 tsp rubbed in when I use the cream form.  LinnOn Oct 3, 2006, at 11:38 AM, JD wrote:Lee advocated 1000 mg. per two ounces of cream, fromwhat I've read.My cream has 1000 mg. per two ounce jar. Which in this case is also 20 mg. of Progesterone per1/4 tsp.

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Hi Linn,

Well, I found there is a BIG difference in creams.

Some don't absorb very well and stayed on my skin like

Vaseline sort of. Some absorb much, much better. So

that's first thing. I found one that absorbs really

well and makes my skin soft even where I don't apply

it, which is nice.

Second thing is, I put it on alternating halves of my

body - left leg, left arm, left side of torso one day,

then the following day I put it on the right leg,

right arm, and right side of torso.

Yep it is a lot of cream and also a royal pain, even

though the cream itself I'm using is great, absorbs

very well, makes my skin nice and soft, and takes care

of all that bad bleeding and other symptoms. It's just

so much cream! And it gets expensive too, having to

buy it all.

But, I've just switched to an excellent, wonderful,

knowledgeable compounding pharmacist (Pete Hueseman at

Bellevue Pharmacy in St. Louis, MO) and he has

recommended a Dr. here in my area who prescribes

Bio-id hormones AND takes insurance AND apparently

doesn't have a problem with prescribing the amount of

Progesterone I need. So I've made an appointment but

can't get in until October 31st.

Until then, it's " right side, left side " , lol.

After I get the prescription from the Dr., then Pete

at Bellevue will be able to compound that 240 mg. into

pea-sized amounts of cream. That will be so nice. And

so much less expensive too.

--- Linn <linnmiller@...> wrote:

> How do find enough spots to put that much on? I

> have a hard time

> getting 1/2 tsp rubbed in when I use the cream form.

>

> Linn

>

> On Oct 3, 2006, at 11:38 AM, JD wrote:

>

> > Lee advocated 1000 mg. per two ounces of cream,

> from

> > what I've read.

> >

> > My cream has 1000 mg. per two ounce jar.

> > Which in this case is also 20 mg. of Progesterone

> per

> > 1/4 tsp.

> >

>

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> Oh, Skipper if you're reading this I forgot to answer

> your last question, sorry. No, the 240 mg. isn't in

> one dose - with Progesterone half-life of about 12-15

> hours in the body, I split the dose 12 hours apart for

> 24 hour coverage.

Do you actually get your progesterone levels tested periodically?

That seems to me to be a huge dose if you are saying that you take 120

mg twice per day.

Of course, I've only read Lee, and he suggested about 16 mg a day if

I'm not mistaken. (970 mg per 2 ounces which was supposed to last

about 2 months, if I remember correctly which would mean about 16 mg a

day.)

If I understand all this correctly, then you're taking about 15 times

the level Lee suggested. He said the megadoses like that created

problems, and the people generally did not feel better on them. Or do

you mean 240 mcg?

Skipper

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Yes, I am getting all tests every two months. Last

test August 21 was on Day 21 of my cycle (when we are

supposed to be producing the MOST Progesterone) and

the level was only 20 mg. Which means that the rest of

the time I'm basically producing none anymore.

Women normally make about 40 mg. a day when not in

perimenopause or after menopause. I haven't seen Lee's

suggestion for 16 mg but I have seen his suggestion

for 20 mg. But this is twice a day, not once, to

approximate what a woman would normally make.

During pregnancy we make up to 400 mg. per day (or was

it 800 mg.? Can't remember right now).

However, labs or not, 240 mg. is the dosage that my

body demands right now to keep from hemorrhaging, etc

as I explained in an earlier post. It's a bit unusual

and has sent faint-of-heart pharmacists screaming into

the night, lol.

But, I have tried backing off on the dosage during all

three phases of my cycle and with the same result:

either hemorrhage or horrible Estrogen dominance

symptoms, or BOTH (depending on where I am in my

cycle) within two days.

I explained why in an earlier post.

Also, I have done a LOT of researching this issue due

to my body demanding this amount because I was a bit

worried, but have found much resources saying 240 mg.

is not dangerous, and not really all THAT unusual for

women going through perimenopause.

I keep an eye out for any hint that my receptors might

be down regulating and Estrogen taking over, but this

is very rare, and so far has not happened to me. I'm

aware there is a chance it could, but am held hostage

at the moment unable to lower the dose mainly due to

hemorrhage when I try.

--- lsb149 <lsb149@...> wrote:

>

>

> > Oh, Skipper if you're reading this I forgot to

> answer

> > your last question, sorry. No, the 240 mg. isn't

> in

> > one dose - with Progesterone half-life of about

> 12-15

> > hours in the body, I split the dose 12 hours apart

> for

> > 24 hour coverage.

>

> Do you actually get your progesterone levels tested

> periodically?

> That seems to me to be a huge dose if you are saying

> that you take 120

> mg twice per day.

>

> Of course, I've only read Lee, and he suggested

> about 16 mg a day if

> I'm not mistaken. (970 mg per 2 ounces which was

> supposed to last

> about 2 months, if I remember correctly which would

> mean about 16 mg a

> day.)

>

> If I understand all this correctly, then you're

> taking about 15 times

> the level Lee suggested. He said the megadoses like

> that created

> problems, and the people generally did not feel

> better on them. Or do

> you mean 240 mcg?

>

> Skipper

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,Do you take Armour also?  I had adeno and had the horrible bleeding and clotting issue also, but had a very quick resolution with both Armour and progesterone.LinnOn Oct 3, 2006, at 6:40 PM, JD wrote:Yes, I am getting all tests every two months. Lasttest August 21 was on Day 21 of my cycle (when we aresupposed to be producing the MOST Progesterone) andthe level was only 20 mg. Which means that the rest ofthe time I'm basically producing none anymore.. 

[Guest guest]

No Armour yet. Waiting to see how it resolves after

taking the Cortisol and Progesterone (and Iodoral next

month) first. Hypothyroid wasn't TOO bad, except for

T3 was pretty low, and Hashi's was 179 on a range of

150.

That's good to know about the Armour helping out on

that.

--- Linn <linnmiller@...> wrote:

> ,

>

> Do you take Armour also? I had adeno and had the

> horrible bleeding

> and clotting issue also, but had a very quick

> resolution with both

> Armour and progesterone.

>

> Linn

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,Actually at first I thought it was the progesterone that eliminated all the symptoms, but when I quit taking Armour for a few months, some of my old symptoms starting creeping back in, that's when I figured out that part of the problem was also thyroid.LinnOn Oct 3, 2006, at 9:03 PM, JD wrote:No Armour yet. Waiting to see how it resolves aftertaking the Cortisol and Progesterone (and Iodoral nextmonth) first. Hypothyroid wasn't TOO bad, except forT3 was pretty low, and Hashi's was 179 on a range of150. That's good to know about the Armour helping out onthat. . 

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I wonder if I'll be able to drop down in Progesterone

dosage then after starting Armour? That would be nice!

I'll try it and see what happens after being on the

Armour for a month or so. Thanks for talking about

this Linn!

--- Linn <linnmiller@...> wrote:

> ,

>

> Actually at first I thought it was the progesterone

> that eliminated

> all the symptoms, but when I quit taking Armour for

> a few months,

> some of my old symptoms starting creeping back in,

> that's when I

> figured out that part of the problem was also

> thyroid.

>

> Linn

>

> On Oct 3, 2006, at 9:03 PM, JD wrote:

>

> > No Armour yet. Waiting to see how it resolves

> after

> > taking the Cortisol and Progesterone (and Iodoral

> next

> > month) first. Hypothyroid wasn't TOO bad, except

> for

> > T3 was pretty low, and Hashi's was 179 on a range

> of

> > 150.

> >

> > That's good to know about the Armour helping out

> on

> > that.

> >

> >

> >

> > .

> >

> >

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