Re: zinc tally No taste = need( Massive Confusion)

[Guest guest]

Skipper,

Pardon my ignorance but I do not understand what tasting a lozenge

to determine the need for zinc has to do with spraying it up my nose?

I am feeling a bit lost on this one.

> Need to be careful with zinc.

>

>

> QUOTE

> http://www.medicinecenter.eu/40180.php

> You see, Cold-Eeze has been found to cause anosmia, or a loss of

smell and

> taste. Many Cold-Eeze users experience horrific, almost unbearable

burning

> directly after applying the nasal spray. Most nasal spray stings a

little

> bit, so they continue the application, but within one or two days the

> Cold-Eeze users who experience this pain suddenly cannot smell or

taste any

> longer. When the cold passes a few days later (Cold-Eeze gets this

right!)

> smell and taste senses have not returned. It is not until these poor

> patients visit a doctor that they are informed of the devastating

truth.

> Once anosmia sets in, those sense cannot be recovered. Cold-Eeze

nasal spray

> permanently cripples the sense of smell and taste.

>

> The active ingredient in Cold-Eeze, Zincum Guconicum, is sometimes

referred

> to as Zinc Gluconate. It was first used as a nasal spray in the

1930's as an

> experimental treatment for polio, but it did not improve the

condition of

> polio patients. Instead, doctors found that it often disabled the

patients'

> sense of smell. Unfortunately, doctors are making that discovery all

over

> again today.

> UNQUOTE

>

> I think this is all zinc in excessive amounts but I could be wrong. It

> causes you to simply lose your tastebuds.

>

> Low zinc can cause loss of appetite. I guess, excessive zinc with

loss of

> taste temporarily, or permanently can't be too good for it either.

>

> See, knowledge doesn't always advance.

>

> Skipper

>

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[Guest guest]

>From: " " <osiris20672002@...>

>Skipper,

>

> Pardon my ignorance but I do not understand what tasting a lozenge

>to determine the need for zinc has to do with spraying it up my nose?

>

> I am feeling a bit lost on this one.

You need adequate zinc, if there's a taste test that's fine.

However, since I knew that zinc is linked to loss of taste since I talked to

someone once who had that experience, I simply googled it and it talked

about the spray.

The lozenges in excess will probably do the same thing. In fact, I think I

read about that on Mercola's website.

I couldn't find that quickly, but he does say -

QUOTE

http://www.mercola.com/1998/archive/americans_need_zinc.htm

However, the danger of reading information like the article above is that

one can just start popping zinc supplements and actually develop zinc

toxicity.

UNQUOTE

the zinc toxity he's talking about may be lost of taste, and it may be

permanent. At that link he talks about the taste test and talks about how

good zinc is for you, just not in excess so you do have to be careful. It's

not one of the supplements you should mega-dose on.

Zinc in adequate amounts = very good for you

Zinc in excess = very bad, and one of many symptoms is lost of taste.

Skipper

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On 7/25/06, Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

> >From: " " <osiris20672002@...>

>

> Zinc in adequate amounts = very good for you

> Zinc in excess = very bad, and one of many symptoms is lost of taste.

>

> Skipper

>

Yes, but Cold-Eze contains a miniscule amount of Zinc. A

homeopathic dose. I can't see how Cold-Eze would cause problems.

Seems like the Ambulance Chaser Lawyers are in Cahoots with those in

the Medical Industry who seek to discredit alternative meds which

work.

Alobar

[Guest guest]

I don't think there really is any conspiracy to go after alternative

zinc medicine, though I could certainly be wrong. I think the real

issue is zinc in nasal sprays like Zicam, which I believe contains

not a homeopathic dose but rather a high dose of zinc. The lozenges

are not under question as far as I've heard.

" The mechanism responsible for these alterations in smell function

is quite clear. Zicam is a zinc containing drug. While zinc is

critical for maintenance of normal smell function through its action

as a cofactor in carbonic anhydrase VI, given directly into the

nostrils at high concentrations, it can initiate direct toxic

destruction of the olfactory epithelium with which it comes into

contact in its spray form. The associated nasal burning is another

manifestation of this local toxicity. In animal studies performed in

the past, direct insertion of zinc into the nostrils initiated total

loss of smell function as measured by sophisticated computer driven,

objective techniques. Examination of the olfactory epithelium in

these animals after zinc application showed destruction of this

tissue. "

http://www.tasteandsmell.com/apr04.htm

The instructions for Zicam say not to insert high into your nose so

that you avoid spraying it directly on the olfactory cells that

obviously you don't want damaged. They claim that if those olfactory

cells are not directly hit, there is no potential for damage. For

what that's worth...

Sharon

>

> On 7/25/06, Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

> > >From: " " <osiris20672002@...>

> >

>

> > Zinc in adequate amounts = very good for you

> > Zinc in excess = very bad, and one of many symptoms is lost of

taste.

> >

> > Skipper

> >

> Yes, but Cold-Eze contains a miniscule amount of Zinc. A

> homeopathic dose. I can't see how Cold-Eze would cause problems.

> Seems like the Ambulance Chaser Lawyers are in Cahoots with those

in

> the Medical Industry who seek to discredit alternative meds which

> work.

>

> Alobar

>

[Guest guest]

Then why is Cold-Eze mentioned? It is neither a nasal spray, nor is

it high potency Zinc. Sure seems like a smear campaign to me.

Alobar

On 7/25/06, sharflin <sharflin@...> wrote:

> I don't think there really is any conspiracy to go after alternative

> zinc medicine, though I could certainly be wrong. I think the real

> issue is zinc in nasal sprays like Zicam, which I believe contains

> not a homeopathic dose but rather a high dose of zinc. The lozenges

> are not under question as far as I've heard.

>

> " The mechanism responsible for these alterations in smell function

> is quite clear. Zicam is a zinc containing drug. While zinc is

> critical for maintenance of normal smell function through its action

> as a cofactor in carbonic anhydrase VI, given directly into the

> nostrils at high concentrations, it can initiate direct toxic

> destruction of the olfactory epithelium with which it comes into

> contact in its spray form. The associated nasal burning is another

> manifestation of this local toxicity. In animal studies performed in

> the past, direct insertion of zinc into the nostrils initiated total

> loss of smell function as measured by sophisticated computer driven,

> objective techniques. Examination of the olfactory epithelium in

> these animals after zinc application showed destruction of this

> tissue. "

> http://www.tasteandsmell.com/apr04.htm

>

> The instructions for Zicam say not to insert high into your nose so

> that you avoid spraying it directly on the olfactory cells that

> obviously you don't want damaged. They claim that if those olfactory

> cells are not directly hit, there is no potential for damage. For

> what that's worth...

> Sharon

>

>

[Guest guest]

Possibly because Cold-Eeze used to have a nasal spray which they

discontinued when all the zinc nasal spray lawsuits started.

> Then why is Cold-Eze mentioned? It is neither a nasal spray, nor

is

> it high potency Zinc. Sure seems like a smear campaign to me.

>

> Alobar

>

> On 7/25/06, sharflin <sharflin@...> wrote:

> > I don't think there really is any conspiracy to go after

alternative

> > zinc medicine, though I could certainly be wrong. I think the

real

> > issue is zinc in nasal sprays like Zicam, which I believe

contains

> > not a homeopathic dose but rather a high dose of zinc. The

lozenges

> > are not under question as far as I've heard.

> >

> > " The mechanism responsible for these alterations in smell

function

> > is quite clear. Zicam is a zinc containing drug. While zinc is

> > critical for maintenance of normal smell function through its

action

> > as a cofactor in carbonic anhydrase VI, given directly into the

> > nostrils at high concentrations, it can initiate direct toxic

> > destruction of the olfactory epithelium with which it comes into

> > contact in its spray form. The associated nasal burning is

another

> > manifestation of this local toxicity. In animal studies

performed in

> > the past, direct insertion of zinc into the nostrils initiated

total

> > loss of smell function as measured by sophisticated computer

driven,

> > objective techniques. Examination of the olfactory epithelium in

> > these animals after zinc application showed destruction of this

> > tissue. "

> > http://www.tasteandsmell.com/apr04.htm

> >

> > The instructions for Zicam say not to insert high into your nose

so

> > that you avoid spraying it directly on the olfactory cells that

> > obviously you don't want damaged. They claim that if those

olfactory

> > cells are not directly hit, there is no potential for damage. For

> > what that's worth...

> > Sharon

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

If you're asking me I don't know. I only posted this because I know too

much zinc can be a bad thing, as can too little. How much you should

supplement may even depend on your diet. Aren't oysters the best source?

So, if you eat a lot of those, you need to be more careful of supplements.

Red meat and poultry also contain zinc. So, it's probable that vegetarians

need more.

Skipper

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>Reply-iodine

>iodine

>Subject: Re: Re: zinc tally No taste = need( Massive Confusion)

>Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:42:17 -0700

>

>What dose do you recommend?

>

>On Aug 2, 2006, at 10:43 AM, Rick Wagner wrote:

>

> > All I know is excessive zinc can cause loss of taste and smell, a very

> > unpleasant prospect. So, anyone taking zinc should keep that in

> > mind, and

> > that could mean limiting the number of zinc lozenges they take, or

> > limiting

> > the dosage of zinc pills they take.

> >

> > Some supplements aren't going to harm you if you megadose. This one

> > is.

> >

> > Skipper

> >

> Parashis

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>

>Iodine

[Guest guest]

,

My comment was just the opposite. 15 years ago I lost my sense of taste and

smell after a bout of the flu. I read an article about a lack of zinc being

a potential cause of this problem. After supplementing with zinc, I

regained both senses. It seems the stress of the flu depleted me of zinc.

Stress depletes one of minerals.

Rick

Re: Re: zinc tally No taste = need( Massive Confusion)

What dose do you recommend?

On Aug 2, 2006, at 10:43 AM, Rick Wagner wrote:

> All I know is excessive zinc can cause loss of taste and smell, a very

> unpleasant prospect. So, anyone taking zinc should keep that in

> mind, and

> that could mean limiting the number of zinc lozenges they take, or

> limiting

> the dosage of zinc pills they take.

>

> Some supplements aren't going to harm you if you megadose. This one

> is.

>

> Skipper

>

Parashis

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[Guest guest]

I just tried Zinc Status - the zinc liquid you hold in your mouth to

see if you can taste the zinc.

I didn't taste anything for about 1.5 seconds, then I could taste

something somewhat(sort of sour and unpleasant). Then the taste more

or less went away.

Does anyone have any idea what that means?

Thanks much,

Sharon

p.s., thanks again, Zoe, for the IHerb.com recommendation. They had

a really good price on this.

> ,

> My comment was just the opposite. 15 years ago I lost my sense of

taste and

> smell after a bout of the flu. I read an article about a lack of

zinc being

> a potential cause of this problem. After supplementing with zinc,

I

> regained both senses. It seems the stress of the flu depleted me

of zinc.

> Stress depletes one of minerals.

> Rick