Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Tawnya, My doctor told me the same thing about the green stones. He said that stones must be removed surgically, only. I have done 49 flushes & I am preparing for my 50th flush today. The stones, perhaps, are coming from other areas other than the gallbladder, i.e. bile ducts and the liver. There is a lot of controversy on where the & how the stones are formed. I have passed over 10,000 stones in the last year, and I am convinced that eventually I will not have anymore stones to pass. I have spoken with folks whom have done the flushes and they reached a point where they were not passing any stones, and all the negative symptoms ceased. J Tawnya Sutherland <tawnya@...> wrote: So I passed 100-200 green pea/almond sized stones on my cleanse last weekend. I froze them and took them to my doctor yesterday. I played dumb and asked him what they could be that I passed in my bowels over weekend? He didn't have a clue and finally I caved in and told him I did the cleanse. He said they were not gallstones and the only way gallstones can be removed are through surgery. This has made me skeptic about this list now and that is the reason I am writing now. I told my doctor that I wanted the stones analyzed at the lab nonetheless and they are at the lab now. My ultrasound I had done the week before my cleanse also came back negative and was clear, showing nothing. I totally think this cleanse is legit and was planning on doing it regularly so please answer this question for me to confirm my doubts now...Why would my doctor tell me you cannot pass gallstones and the only way to remove them is through surgery. Warmly, Tawnya www.theitchingwall.com --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 I've read that these wee green stones are only emulsified oil and bile and nothing more. I can't wait to hear the outcome of the analysis Tawnya. Alison -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/464 - Release Date: 05/10/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 If the stones were emulsified oil & bile then people would continue indefinitely with passing stones. There are people that get to no stones, so this proves the green stones are in fact stones. J Alison Orr <alison@...> wrote: I've read that these wee green stones are only emulsified oil and bile and nothing more. I can't wait to hear the outcome of the analysis Tawnya. Alison -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/464 - Release Date: 05/10/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Because most medical doctors don't believe in alternative medicine.. and they make significant $$$$$$$$ off of this ----- Original Message ----- From: Tawnya Sutherland gallstones Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 2:23 PM Subject: Gallstones gone to lab So I passed 100-200 green pea/almond sized stones on my cleanse last weekend. I froze them and took them to my doctor yesterday. I played dumb and asked him what they could be that I passed in my bowels over weekend? He didn't have a clue and finally I caved in and told him I did the cleanse. He said they were not gallstones and the only way gallstones can be removed are through surgery. This has made me skeptic about this list now and that is the reason I am writing now. I told my doctor that I wanted the stones analyzed at the lab nonetheless and they are at the lab now. My ultrasound I had done the week before my cleanse also came back negative and was clear, showing nothing. I totally think this cleanse is legit and was planning on doing it regularly so please answer this question for me to confirm my doubts now...Why would my doctor tell me you cannot pass gallstones and the only way to remove them is through surgery. Warmly, Tawnya www.theitchingwall.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 You got it!!!!!!!! It is the easiest surgery and they make $3,000 to $4,000 for each laproscopic surgery. J Toni Chester <tonichester@...> wrote: Because most medical doctors don't believe in alternative medicine.. and they make significant $$$$$$$$ off of this ----- Original Message ----- From: Tawnya Sutherland gallstones Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 2:23 PM Subject: Gallstones gone to lab So I passed 100-200 green pea/almond sized stones on my cleanse last weekend. I froze them and took them to my doctor yesterday. I played dumb and asked him what they could be that I passed in my bowels over weekend? He didn't have a clue and finally I caved in and told him I did the cleanse. He said they were not gallstones and the only way gallstones can be removed are through surgery. This has made me skeptic about this list now and that is the reason I am writing now. I told my doctor that I wanted the stones analyzed at the lab nonetheless and they are at the lab now. My ultrasound I had done the week before my cleanse also came back negative and was clear, showing nothing. I totally think this cleanse is legit and was planning on doing it regularly so please answer this question for me to confirm my doubts now...Why would my doctor tell me you cannot pass gallstones and the only way to remove them is through surgery. Warmly, Tawnya www.theitchingwall.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 -----Original Message----- From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ]On Behalf Of Waters Because most medical doctors don't believe in alternative medicine.. and they make significant $$$$$$$$ off of this * * * * * We don't have the same system here in the UK so we can't use money as an explanation for it being the doctor's first choice here too. Alison God bless Give food to the hungry every day with a simple click, at no cost to you. Visit http://www.thehungersite.com today! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/464 - Release Date: 05/10/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Also, they know that if more people turn to alternative medicine, rather than their approach, they are out of a job. ----- Original Message ----- From: Waters gallstones Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Gallstones gone to lab You got it!!!!!!!! It is the easiest surgery and they make $3,000 to $4,000 for each laproscopic surgery. J Toni Chester <tonichester@...> wrote: Because most medical doctors don't believe in alternative medicine.. and they make significant $$$$$$$$ off of this ----- Original Message ----- From: Tawnya Sutherland gallstones Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 2:23 PM Subject: Gallstones gone to lab So I passed 100-200 green pea/almond sized stones on my cleanse last weekend. I froze them and took them to my doctor yesterday. I played dumb and asked him what they could be that I passed in my bowels over weekend? He didn't have a clue and finally I caved in and told him I did the cleanse. He said they were not gallstones and the only way gallstones can be removed are through surgery. This has made me skeptic about this list now and that is the reason I am writing now. I told my doctor that I wanted the stones analyzed at the lab nonetheless and they are at the lab now. My ultrasound I had done the week before my cleanse also came back negative and was clear, showing nothing. I totally think this cleanse is legit and was planning on doing it regularly so please answer this question for me to confirm my doubts now...Why would my doctor tell me you cannot pass gallstones and the only way to remove them is through surgery. Warmly, Tawnya www.theitchingwall.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Alison.. in that case ... it is all they know... ----- Original Message ----- From: Alison Orr gallstones Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Gallstones gone to lab -----Original Message----- From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ]On Behalf Of Waters Because most medical doctors don't believe in alternative medicine.. and they make significant $$$$$$$$ off of this * * * * * We don't have the same system here in the UK so we can't use money as an explanation for it being the doctor's first choice here too. Alison God bless Give food to the hungry every day with a simple click, at no cost to you. Visit http://www.thehungersite.com today! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/464 - Release Date: 05/10/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Your doctor, while giving you the best information he can within his education, is working with limited knowledge. If you are taught that the only way is to remove the organ and you have no experience or education with any alternative method, then you are going to inform others that the only way is to remove the organ. Careful about taking what you are told by a doctor as gospel. Unfortunately sometimes they don't know very much. Whether the translucent green " stones " are stones or not is immaterial: The only valid question is do people perform the flush (or some other method), have their stones " disappear " , feel better, get healthier, have other seemingly unrelated conditions clear up, etc. The answer is an unequivocal YES on all accounts. Does that mean for everyone? Absolutely not. Peruse the archives and make your own decisions. Ignorance is bliss. A license behind ignorance does not make expertise. Always, in all ways, -Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Tawnya Sutherland<mailto:tawnya@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Gallstones gone to lab So I passed 100-200 green pea/almond sized stones on my cleanse last weekend. I froze them and took them to my doctor yesterday. I played dumb and asked him what they could be that I passed in my bowels over weekend? He didn't have a clue and finally I caved in and told him I did the cleanse. He said they were not gallstones and the only way gallstones can be removed are through surgery. This has made me skeptic about this list now and that is the reason I am writing now. I told my doctor that I wanted the stones analyzed at the lab nonetheless and they are at the lab now. My ultrasound I had done the week before my cleanse also came back negative and was clear, showing nothing. I totally think this cleanse is legit and was planning on doing it regularly so please answer this question for me to confirm my doubts now...Why would my doctor tell me you cannot pass gallstones and the only way to remove them is through surgery. Warmly, Tawnya www.theitchingwall.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 To be emulsed would be to be blended and pretty much liquefied. They would need to be a coagulation. -Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Alison Orr<mailto:alison@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: RE: Gallstones gone to lab I've read that these wee green stones are only emulsified oil and bile and nothing more. I can't wait to hear the outcome of the analysis Tawnya. Alison -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/464 - Release Date: 05/10/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Try 12,000 to 14,000 per surgery --- Waters <yaakov45@...> wrote: > You got it!!!!!!!! > It is the easiest surgery and they make $3,000 to > $4,000 for each laproscopic surgery. > J > > Toni Chester <tonichester@...> wrote: > Because most medical > doctors don't believe in alternative medicine.. and > they make significant $$$$$$$$ off of this > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tawnya Sutherland > gallstones > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 2:23 PM > Subject: Gallstones gone to lab > > So I passed 100-200 green pea/almond sized stones > on my cleanse last > weekend. I froze them and took them to my doctor > yesterday. I played > dumb and asked him what they could be that I > passed in my bowels over > weekend? He didn't have a clue and finally I > caved in and told him I > did the cleanse. He said they were not gallstones > and the only way > gallstones can be removed are through surgery. > This has made me skeptic > about this list now and that is the reason I am > writing now. I told my > doctor that I wanted the stones analyzed at the > lab nonetheless and they > are at the lab now. My ultrasound I had done the > week before my cleanse > also came back negative and was clear, showing > nothing. > > I totally think this cleanse is legit and was > planning on doing it > regularly so please answer this question for me > to confirm my doubts > now...Why would my doctor tell me you cannot pass > gallstones and the > only way to remove them is through surgery. > > Warmly, > Tawnya > www.theitchingwall.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. > We'll help. Small Business. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 << If the stones were emulsified oil & bile then people would continue indefinitely with passing stones>> Hold on a minute...you have done 49 or 50 flushes and you continue passing stones. Could you not be describing your very case? Steve I've read that these wee green stones are only emulsified oil and bile and > nothing more. I can't wait to hear the outcome of the analysis Tawnya. > > Alison > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/464 - Release Date: 05/10/2006 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Not to sound flippant, but there are many people that have gotten to zero stones. Based on that I am assuming & hope I too will arrive at zero stones. The problem is I understand from people who have worked in pathology that there are some they have found to have more than 20,000 stones in people. " sak... " <skr325@...> wrote: << If the stones were emulsified oil & bile then people would continue indefinitely with passing stones>> Hold on a minute...you have done 49 or 50 flushes and you continue passing stones. Could you not be describing your very case? Steve I've read that these wee green stones are only emulsified oil and bile and > nothing more. I can't wait to hear the outcome of the analysis Tawnya. > > Alison > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/464 - Release Date: 05/10/2006 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 The fact that some people get to the point that they are not emitting " stones " proves nothing. The coagulation process would be different not only in each individual but in a moment to moment basis within any specific individual depending on the present biochemical environment and fat metabolism functions. Stones form in the gallbladder and also in the liver. Stones that form in the liver do not drop down into the gallbladder. The physiology of the two organs is not a straight pipeline. Stones that form in the liver will flush directly through (hopefully) to the small intestine if expelled. These pathological rumors about 20,000 " stones " in a single individual are precisely why we have a problem getting the medical establishment to take natural treatments seriously. And for good reason. It is spatially impossible. Not only that but you would be dead long before from liver dysfunction. The jury is still out on the nature of the translucent green " stones " . This does not in anyway change the validity of the flushes. People do pass identifiable/verifiable gall stones all the time; hard, mineralized, pathological gall AND liver stones. And not necessarily on every flush or guaranteed on your first flush (or first 6 flushes). So what! If someone is looking for a one shot panacea cure all for their serious health problem they need to change their attitude quick. It happens on the first time for some but they may be the unlucky ones, attaining a false miraculous viewpoint. The composition of the soft green masses is immaterial. If you have gallbladder disease you have a serious problem. A very serious problem. It is effecting you in many ways, some of which you (and most of which your doctor) are not aware of. The issue is do you have your gallbladder removed as a first step or do you try and save the little puppy first? May I suggest that except in acute emergency situations, which are extremely rare even if it feels like it, the removal of your gallbladder is pretty stupid. It doesn't change your diet. It doesn't change your lifestyle. It doesn't wake you up to the fact that your health and quality of life is your responsibility and no one else's, including your doctor's. It doesn't alter the biochemical or emotional imbalances that " caused " the stones to form (and they are only one symptom) in the first place. This concept by the present accepted medical paradigm that the only solution is to immediately cut the offending body part out is ludicrous. IT is why you and I have trouble taking modern medicine seriously. And for good reason. Don't worry about the composition of the little green globs. Worry about the quality of your life and your continued survival. Do everything you can to improve both. If you are " lucky " and that nasty, not so little stone, is expelled on your first flush, don't embrace a false sense of security. It will not serve you in the long run. You will feel better now and will most likely be in for more of the same later. Any doctor who tells you that the flushes (or other valid alternative therapies) do not work, has his/her head buried. In which it might be sand, or it might be darker, moister, and smellier. The composition of which doesn't matter. They still need to pull their head out. Always, in all ways, -Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Waters<mailto:yaakov45@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 3:30 AM Subject: Re: Re: Gallstones gone to lab Not to sound flippant, but there are many people that have gotten to zero stones. Based on that I am assuming & hope I too will arrive at zero stones. The problem is I understand from people who have worked in pathology that there are some they have found to have more than 20,000 stones in people. " sak... " <skr325@...<mailto:skr325@...>> wrote: << If the stones were emulsified oil & bile then people would continue indefinitely with passing stones>> Hold on a minute...you have done 49 or 50 flushes and you continue passing stones. Could you not be describing your very case? Steve I've read that these wee green stones are only emulsified oil and bile and > nothing more. I can't wait to hear the outcome of the analysis Tawnya. > > Alison > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/464 - Release Date: 05/10/2006 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 I absolutely loved this post. Thank you Dave! Alison God bless Give food to the hungry every day with a simple click, at no cost to you. Visit http://www.thehungersite.com today! -----Original Message----- From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ]On Behalf Of Dave Shelden Sent: 08 October 2006 13:12 gallstones Subject: Re: Re: Gallstones gone to lab The fact that some people get to the point that they are not emitting " stones " proves nothing. The coagulation process would be different not only in each individual but in a moment to moment basis within any specific individual depending on the present biochemical environment and fat metabolism functions. Stones form in the gallbladder and also in the liver. Stones that form in the liver do not drop down into the gallbladder. The physiology of the two organs is not a straight pipeline. Stones that form in the liver will flush directly through (hopefully) to the small intestine if expelled. These pathological rumors about 20,000 " stones " in a single individual are precisely why we have a problem getting the medical establishment to take natural treatments seriously. And for good reason. It is spatially impossible. Not only that but you would be dead long before from liver dysfunction. The jury is still out on the nature of the translucent green " stones " . This does not in anyway change the validity of the flushes. People do pass identifiable/verifiable gall stones all the time; hard, mineralized, pathological gall AND liver stones. And not necessarily on every flush or guaranteed on your first flush (or first 6 flushes). So what! If someone is looking for a one shot panacea cure all for their serious health problem they need to change their attitude quick. It happens on the first time for some but they may be the unlucky ones, attaining a false miraculous viewpoint. The composition of the soft green masses is immaterial. If you have gallbladder disease you have a serious problem. A very serious problem. It is effecting you in many ways, some of which you (and most of which your doctor) are not aware of. The issue is do you have your gallbladder removed as a first step or do you try and save the little puppy first? May I suggest that except in acute emergency situations, which are extremely rare even if it feels like it, the removal of your gallbladder is pretty stupid. It doesn't change your diet. It doesn't change your lifestyle. It doesn't wake you up to the fact that your health and quality of life is your responsibility and no one else's, including your doctor's. It doesn't alter the biochemical or emotional imbalances that " caused " the stones to form (and they are only one symptom) in the first place. This concept by the present accepted medical paradigm that the only solution is to immediately cut the offending body part out is ludicrous. IT is why you and I have trouble taking modern medicine seriously. And for good reason. Don't worry about the composition of the little green globs. Worry about the quality of your life and your continued survival. Do everything you can to improve both. If you are " lucky " and that nasty, not so little stone, is expelled on your first flush, don't embrace a false sense of security. It will not serve you in the long run. You will feel better now and will most likely be in for more of the same later. Any doctor who tells you that the flushes (or other valid alternative therapies) do not work, has his/her head buried. In which it might be sand, or it might be darker, moister, and smellier. The composition of which doesn't matter. They still need to pull their head out. Always, in all ways, -Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Waters<mailto:yaakov45@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 3:30 AM Subject: Re: Re: Gallstones gone to lab Not to sound flippant, but there are many people that have gotten to zero stones. Based on that I am assuming & hope I too will arrive at zero stones. The problem is I understand from people who have worked in pathology that there are some they have found to have more than 20,000 stones in people. " sak... " <skr325@...<mailto:skr325@...>> wrote: << If the stones were emulsified oil & bile then people would continue indefinitely with passing stones>> Hold on a minute...you have done 49 or 50 flushes and you continue passing stones. Could you not be describing your very case? Steve I've read that these wee green stones are only emulsified oil and bile and > nothing more. I can't wait to hear the outcome of the analysis Tawnya. > > Alison > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/464 - Release Date: 05/10/2006 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 How many times would one have to flush to pass 20,000 stones? Looking at the size of my stones (or whatever these green things are which we shall soon hopefully find out after lab results). Taking into consideration 3 of my small stones takes up 1cm cubed of space, 20,000 stones is a massive volume of anything to be inside you. I can't even count to 20,000! Tawnya > -----Original Message----- > From: Waters [mailto:yaakov45@...] > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 3:30 AM > gallstones > Subject: Re: Re: Gallstones gone to lab > > > Not to sound flippant, but there are many people that have > gotten to zero stones. Based on that I am assuming & hope I > too will arrive at zero stones. The problem is I understand > from people who have worked in pathology that there are some > they have found to have more than 20,000 stones in people. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 I did my first flush about a week ago. I passed about 250-300 green and tan stones. I cannot describe to all of you just how much better I feel! It truly is miraculous. I have been suffering from chronic food allergies for about a year and a half. These came on suddenly after back surgery. My doctors were baffled. I treated myself for candida, and this helped slightly. Then, about a month ago, I bought oxy=powder and did a colon cleanse. WOW! instant relief from many of my food allergies. Then, following their program, I did the liver/gb flush. WOWWWW AGAIN! More, instant relief. I had tenderness in my back between my ribs on the right side. It is nearly gone. I passed all of these stones and I kept about 100 of them. I go back to my MD this week and I cant wait to show him. I will let everyone know what he says. One thing he cannot diagnose---I feel better than I have at any time in the last 2 years. I have a question for my fellow flushers: is it mandatory to wait 2 weeks between flushes? Thanks Greg --- In gallstones , " Tawnya Sutherland " <tawnya@...> wrote: > > How many times would one have to flush to pass 20,000 stones? > > Looking at the size of my stones (or whatever these green things are > which we shall soon hopefully find out after lab results). Taking into > consideration 3 of my small stones takes up 1cm cubed of space, 20,000 > stones is a massive volume of anything to be inside you. I can't even > count to 20,000! > > Tawnya > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Waters [mailto:yaakov45@...] > > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 3:30 AM > > gallstones > > Subject: Re: Re: Gallstones gone to lab > > > > > > Not to sound flippant, but there are many people that have > > gotten to zero stones. Based on that I am assuming & hope I > > too will arrive at zero stones. The problem is I understand > > from people who have worked in pathology that there are some > > they have found to have more than 20,000 stones in people. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 I did my first flush about a week ago. I passed about 250-300 green and tan stones. I cannot describe to all of you just how much better I feel! It truly is miraculous. I have been suffering from chronic food allergies for about a year and a half. These came on suddenly after back surgery. My doctors were baffled. I treated myself for candida, and this helped slightly. Then, about a month ago, I bought oxy=powder and did a colon cleanse. WOW! instant relief from many of my food allergies. Then, following their program, I did the liver/gb flush. WOWWWW AGAIN! More, instant relief. I had tenderness in my back between my ribs on the right side. It is nearly gone. I passed all of these stones and I kept about 100 of them. I go back to my MD this week and I cant wait to show him. I will let everyone know what he says. One thing he cannot diagnose---I feel better than I have at any time in the last 2 years. I have a question for my fellow flushers: is it mandatory to wait 2 weeks between flushes? Thanks Greg --- In gallstones , " Tawnya Sutherland " <tawnya@...> wrote: > > How many times would one have to flush to pass 20,000 stones? > > Looking at the size of my stones (or whatever these green things are > which we shall soon hopefully find out after lab results). Taking into > consideration 3 of my small stones takes up 1cm cubed of space, 20,000 > stones is a massive volume of anything to be inside you. I can't even > count to 20,000! > > Tawnya > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Waters [mailto:yaakov45@...] > > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 3:30 AM > > gallstones > > Subject: Re: Re: Gallstones gone to lab > > > > > > Not to sound flippant, but there are many people that have > > gotten to zero stones. Based on that I am assuming & hope I > > too will arrive at zero stones. The problem is I understand > > from people who have worked in pathology that there are some > > they have found to have more than 20,000 stones in people. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Thanks for everyone's time in responding including yours Dave as every bit of info I can sponge up is crucial to finding a relief hopefully to my chronic hives I've had for a few years now. One thing I do know, is I have a constant bruisy/achy feeling under my left breast. It is also swollen. Doctors tell me it is just muscle irritations and such but odd it only happens when I am tired (similar to others symptoms on the list). I truly feel my problems stem from needing a good cleansing out you know?? Well, all I know is I feel better and my hives have decreased from just one flush. Saying that, I am also weaning myself from prednisone so that could also be keeping hives at bay right now. I am planning on doing another liver/gall cleanse on October 21st and then start either a Master Cleanse else do my elimination diet (allergenist recommended this, slowing introducing new foods to figure out allergins). I'll let you all know lab results that is if doctor even elaborates on them to me. Warmly, Tawnya > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Shelden [mailto:wholehealthawareness@...] > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:23 AM > gallstones > Subject: Re: Re: Gallstones gone to lab > > > I am not trying to invalidate or denounce anyone or any > therapy, just bring a little physiology, biochemistry and > logic to the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Ditto! Right on the money Dave (as usual). Steve > I've read that these wee green stones are only emulsified oil and > bile and > > nothing more. I can't wait to hear the outcome of the analysis > Tawnya. > > > > Alison > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/464 - Release Date: > 05/10/2006 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 So what is the answer? No flushes? My flushes have been in naught? Hmmmmm When I stop the flushes, my symptoms reappear, so with that said I have been continuing. There must be a solution to gallbladder disease other than surgery, and that is the only other alternative at the moment. " sak... " <skr325@...> wrote: Ditto! Right on the money Dave (as usual). Steve > I've read that these wee green stones are only emulsified oil and > bile and > > nothing more. I can't wait to hear the outcome of the analysis > Tawnya. > > > > Alison > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/464 - Release Date: > 05/10/2006 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 The flushes are helping and are an important part of your program. But if you have done 50 and you start re-experiencing symptoms if you stop, then by default they are not completely curative. There are plenty of other options to add to the flushes (not replace). All of this stuff needs to be a way back to life, not a way of life. Surgery is not curative of gallbladder disease any more than removing someone's heart would be curative of cardiovascular disease. Keep your gallbladder, perform an occasional flush, and add other liver/gallbladder therapies. -Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Waters<mailto:yaakov45@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:03 AM Subject: Re: Re: Gallstones gone to lab So what is the answer? No flushes? My flushes have been in naught? Hmmmmm When I stop the flushes, my symptoms reappear, so with that said I have been continuing. There must be a solution to gallbladder disease other than surgery, and that is the only other alternative at the moment. " sak... " <skr325@...<mailto:skr325@...>> wrote: Ditto! Right on the money Dave (as usual). Steve > I've read that these wee green stones are only emulsified oil and > bile and > > nothing more. I can't wait to hear the outcome of the analysis > Tawnya. > > > > Alison > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/464 - Release Date: > 05/10/2006 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 My theory is until I get rid of the stones, the symtoms will continue. I am doing some therapies Annette has recommended, such as milk thistle tea & juiced veggies. I am drinking kifur and taking kifur tablets, + dring 16 oz. of kambucha. Annette returns on Wednesday, btw. -- In gallstones , " Dave Shelden " <wholehealthawareness@...> wrote: > > The flushes are helping and are an important part of your program. But if you have done 50 and you start re-experiencing symptoms if you stop, then by default they are not completely curative. There are plenty of other options to add to the flushes (not replace). All of this stuff needs to be a way back to life, not a way of life. Surgery is not curative of gallbladder disease any more than removing someone's heart would be curative of cardiovascular disease. Keep your gallbladder, perform an occasional flush, and add other liver/gallbladder therapies. -Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Waters<mailto:yaakov45@...> > gallstones <mailto:gallstones > > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:03 AM > Subject: Re: Re: Gallstones gone to lab > > > So what is the answer? No flushes? My flushes have been in naught? Hmmmmm > When I stop the flushes, my symptoms reappear, so with that said I have been continuing. There must be a solution to gallbladder disease other than surgery, and that is the only other alternative at the moment. > > " sak... " <skr325@...<mailto:skr325@...>> wrote: Ditto! Right on the money Dave (as usual). > > Steve > > > > I've read that these wee green stones are only emulsified oil and > > bile and > > > nothing more. I can't wait to hear the outcome of the analysis > > Tawnya. > > > > > > Alison > > > -- > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/464 - Release Date: > > 05/10/2006 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Would love to hear the doctor's reasoning of " muscle irritation " Sounds like a " I don't know so I'll act like I do " diagnosis. The fact that your breast is swollen and it only happens when you are tired should torpedo that. Find someone who can figure it out. There is most likely some kind of " obstructed flow " going on, whether lymph, blood or chi. -Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Tawnya Sutherland<mailto:tawnya@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: RE: Re: Gallstones gone to lab Thanks for everyone's time in responding including yours Dave as every bit of info I can sponge up is crucial to finding a relief hopefully to my chronic hives I've had for a few years now. One thing I do know, is I have a constant bruisy/achy feeling under my left breast. It is also swollen. Doctors tell me it is just muscle irritations and such but odd it only happens when I am tired (similar to others symptoms on the list). I truly feel my problems stem from needing a good cleansing out you know?? Well, all I know is I feel better and my hives have decreased from just one flush. Saying that, I am also weaning myself from prednisone so that could also be keeping hives at bay right now. I am planning on doing another liver/gall cleanse on October 21st and then start either a Master Cleanse else do my elimination diet (allergenist recommended this, slowing introducing new foods to figure out allergins). I'll let you all know lab results that is if doctor even elaborates on them to me. Warmly, Tawnya > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Shelden [mailto:wholehealthawareness@...<mailto:wholehealthawareness@...>] > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:23 AM > gallstones <mailto:gallstones > > Subject: Re: Re: Gallstones gone to lab > > > I am not trying to invalidate or denounce anyone or any > therapy, just bring a little physiology, biochemistry and > logic to the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 My naturopath has had me taking milk thistle and Primal Defense for past 4 months to help stimulate my lazy liver. I quit smoking a few years ago and he says smoking actually acts as a stimulate. Now that my liver doesn't have that, it has gotten lazy and basically needs a boost to get going again. Tawnya > -----Original Message----- > From: Waters [mailto:yaakov45@...] > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 2:34 PM > gallstones > Subject: Re: Gallstones gone to lab > > > My theory is until I get rid of the stones, the symtoms will > continue. I am doing some therapies Annette has recommended, > such as milk thistle tea & juiced veggies. I am drinking > kifur and taking kifur tablets, + dring 16 oz. of kambucha. > Annette returns on Wednesday, btw. > > > > -- In gallstones , " Dave Shelden " > <wholehealthawareness@...> wrote: > > > > The flushes are helping and are an important part of your program. > But if you have done 50 and you start re-experiencing > symptoms if you stop, then by default they are not completely > curative. There are plenty of other options to add to the > flushes (not replace). All of this stuff needs to be a way > back to life, not a way of life. Surgery is not curative of > gallbladder disease any more than removing someone's heart > would be curative of cardiovascular disease. Keep your > gallbladder, perform an occasional flush, and add other > liver/gallbladder therapies. -Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Waters<mailto:yaakov45@...> > > gallstones <mailto:gallstones > > > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:03 AM > > Subject: Re: Re: Gallstones gone to lab > > > > > > So what is the answer? No flushes? My flushes have been in naught? > Hmmmmm > > When I stop the flushes, my symptoms reappear, so with that said I > have been continuing. There must be a solution to gallbladder > disease other than surgery, and that is the only other > alternative at the moment. > > > > " sak... " <skr325@...<mailto:skr325@...>> wrote: Ditto! Right on > the money Dave (as usual). > > > > Steve > > > > > > > I've read that these wee green stones are only > emulsified oil and > > > bile and > > > > nothing more. I can't wait to hear the outcome of the analysis > > > Tawnya. > > > > > > > > Alison > > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/464 - > Release Date: > > > 05/10/2006 > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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