Re: TSH & Thyca & Iodine - need clarity!!

[Guest guest]

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My name is and I am the owner of this group. I am also an 8 year

thyca survivor thanks to Iodine. In addition I helped Dr. Brownstein write

that chapter in his book. Here's the nuts and bolts:

1) Stay away from the ThyCa' group. They are steeped in allopathic

" medicine " and do not understand healing with natural therapies. I was told

not to take iodine because of a shell fish allergy. I believe this is what

caused the cancer to return 2 times after RAI.

2) TSH rises to stimulate the thyroid NIS to take in iodine. What is

dangerous to thyroid cancer patients is actually the thyroglobulin - NOT the

TSH. If you remember the Tg is the marker they use for cancer.

Thyroglobulin is increased by TSH.

3) Iodine is antimicrobial, bacterial and induces apoptosis (normal cell

death). There is a gene P53 that is called the guardian of the genetic

code. I scans the cells looking for abnormal DNA and when it sees it, it

marks the cell for death. It then goes to MDM20 to perform a " lock & key "

reaction to start the process of apoptosis in that cell. Without iodine

apoptosis does not occur.

4) Armour will keep your TSH suppressed. Because you do not have a thyroid

the mechanism is different. Being on the proper dose of Armour is critical.

I have been less than .01 for over 2 years now.

When I started on Iodine (50 mgs) I was also just starting Armour. I

bounced around a bit with my TSH over the 3 mos it took me to get to my

current dose but during that time I also took the high dose of Iodoral. My

Tg started to come down (from 24 to 12) which showed that things were dying

off.

You need iodine more than anyone. You have had cancer which is directly

tied to a low iodine status. Your breasts and ovaries need it too.

Actually every gland and mucosal lining in your body needs it. It is cancer

protective. It detoxes halides. I would not be without it.

Hope this helps!

TSH & Thyca & Iodine - need clarity!!

> At the end of Chapter 6 in Dr. Brownstein's Iodine book, he talks

> about how if your TSH rises after beginning iodine therapy, it

> doesn't mean you are hypo (as long as your FT3 and FT4 are good).

> And it could remain elevated for up to 6 months (to help stimulate

> production of NIS cells).

>

> My concern is that I had thyroid cancer and I learned from my endo

> (not reliable) and also from somebody on the " Thyca " group,

> that you don't want your TSH to rise AT ALL, or the cancer will come

> back.

>

> I'm looking for an answer, I don't understand how a recurrence of

> cancer happens just by the pituitary asking for more thyroid hormone

> (making TSH). TSH causes a recurrence of thyca? That just doesn't

> sound right to me. Because if it does, I shouldn't be taking

> iodine. And also I just switched from synthroid to armour (I'm sure

> there'll be a little fluctuation in TSH while I adjust). What is

> the REAL cause for recurrence of thyca (diet, toxins) and what role

> does TSH play if any? My body needs iodine, but.....what about this

> TSH stuff?

> If someone can clarify, thank you,

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, . This helps. I am a fan of the book and want

iodine to work for me. See comments within message:

>

> -

>

> My name is and I am the owner of this group. I am also

an 8 year

> thyca survivor thanks to Iodine. In addition I helped Dr.

Brownstein write

> that chapter in his book. Here's the nuts and bolts:

>

> 1) Stay away from the ThyCa' group. They are steeped in

allopathic

> " medicine " and do not understand healing with natural therapies.

I was told

> not to take iodine because of a shell fish allergy. I believe

this is what

> caused the cancer to return 2 times after RAI.

>

> 2) TSH rises to stimulate the thyroid NIS to take in iodine.

What is

> dangerous to thyroid cancer patients is actually the

thyroglobulin - NOT the

> TSH. If you remember the Tg is the marker they use for cancer.

> Thyroglobulin is increased by TSH.

>

> 3) Iodine is antimicrobial, bacterial and induces apoptosis

(normal cell

> death). There is a gene P53 that is called the guardian of the

genetic

> code. I scans the cells looking for abnormal DNA and when it sees

it, it

> marks the cell for death. It then goes to MDM20 to perform

a " lock & key "

> reaction to start the process of apoptosis in that cell. Without

iodine

> apoptosis does not occur.

>

> 4) Armour will keep your TSH suppressed. Because you do not have

a thyroid

> the mechanism is different. Being on the proper dose of Armour is

critical.

> I have been less than .01 for over 2 years now.

----I just finished my 1st week on Armour - I started at 1.5 gr, and

tomorrow will increase to 2. My alt med doc gave me a slip to check

frees and TSH 5 weeks from now. Does this sound approp? Should I

keep increasing 1/2 gr a week?

>

> When I started on Iodine (50 mgs) I was also just starting Armour.

----I wonder if I should jump to 50 mg a day right now (I just

started a week ago doing the ramp-up method - 6.25/day for one week,

then 12.5/day next week, etc.).

I

> bounced around a bit with my TSH over the 3 mos it took me to get

to my

> current dose but during that time I also took the high dose of

Iodoral. My

> Tg started to come down (from 24 to 12) which showed that things

were dying

> off.

----So being on iodine, although it may have raised your TSH (or

bounced it around while finding optimal armour dose), didn't

increase your Tg, it DECREASED it. My Tg is down and was down <.2

ever since I got my TSH suppressed after my ablation (even during my

WBS a year later Tg was <.2 with my TSH 101). So being on iodine,

although my TSH may go up on it, I shouldn't worry about my Tg going

up?

>

> You need iodine more than anyone. You have had cancer which is

directly

> tied to a low iodine status. Your breasts and ovaries need it

too.

> Actually every gland and mucosal lining in your body needs it. It

is cancer

> protective. It detoxes halides. I would not be without it.

>

> Hope this helps!

>

>

> TSH & Thyca & Iodine - need clarity!!

>

>

> > At the end of Chapter 6 in Dr. Brownstein's Iodine book, he talks

> > about how if your TSH rises after beginning iodine therapy, it

> > doesn't mean you are hypo (as long as your FT3 and FT4 are good).

> > And it could remain elevated for up to 6 months (to help

stimulate

> > production of NIS cells).

> >

> > My concern is that I had thyroid cancer and I learned from my

endo

> > (not reliable) and also from somebody on the " Thyca " group,

> > that you don't want your TSH to rise AT ALL, or the cancer will

come

> > back.

> >

> > I'm looking for an answer, I don't understand how a recurrence of

> > cancer happens just by the pituitary asking for more thyroid

hormone

> > (making TSH). TSH causes a recurrence of thyca? That just

doesn't

> > sound right to me. Because if it does, I shouldn't be taking

> > iodine. And also I just switched from synthroid to armour (I'm

sure

> > there'll be a little fluctuation in TSH while I adjust). What is

> > the REAL cause for recurrence of thyca (diet, toxins) and what

role

> > does TSH play if any? My body needs iodine, but.....what about

this

> > TSH stuff?

> > If someone can clarify, thank you,

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> -

>

> My name is and I am the owner of this group. I am also

an 8 year

> thyca survivor thanks to Iodine. In addition I helped Dr.

Brownstein write

> that chapter in his book. Here's the nuts and bolts:

>

> 1) Stay away from the ThyCa' group. They are steeped in

allopathic

> " medicine " and do not understand healing with natural therapies.

I was told

> not to take iodine because of a shell fish allergy. I believe

this is what

> caused the cancer to return 2 times after RAI.

>

> 2) TSH rises to stimulate the thyroid NIS to take in iodine.

What is

> dangerous to thyroid cancer patients is actually the

thyroglobulin - NOT the

> TSH. If you remember the Tg is the marker they use for cancer.

> Thyroglobulin is increased by TSH.

>

> 3) Iodine is antimicrobial, bacterial and induces apoptosis

(normal cell

> death). There is a gene P53 that is called the guardian of the

genetic

> code. I scans the cells looking for abnormal DNA and when it sees

it, it

> marks the cell for death. It then goes to MDM20 to perform

a " lock & key "

> reaction to start the process of apoptosis in that cell. Without

iodine

> apoptosis does not occur.

>

> 4) Armour will keep your TSH suppressed. Because you do not have

a thyroid

> the mechanism is different. Being on the proper dose of Armour is

critical.

> I have been less than .01 for over 2 years now.

>

> When I started on Iodine (50 mgs) I was also just starting

Armour. I

> bounced around a bit with my TSH over the 3 mos it took me to get

to my

> current dose but during that time I also took the high dose of

Iodoral. My

> Tg started to come down (from 24 to 12) which showed that things

were dying

> off.

>

> You need iodine more than anyone. You have had cancer which is

directly

> tied to a low iodine status. Your breasts and ovaries need it

too.

> Actually every gland and mucosal lining in your body needs it. It

is cancer

> protective. It detoxes halides. I would not be without it.

>

> Hope this helps!

>

>

> TSH & Thyca & Iodine - need clarity!!

>

>

> > At the end of Chapter 6 in Dr. Brownstein's Iodine book, he talks

> > about how if your TSH rises after beginning iodine therapy, it

> > doesn't mean you are hypo (as long as your FT3 and FT4 are good).

> > And it could remain elevated for up to 6 months (to help

stimulate

> > production of NIS cells).

> >

> > My concern is that I had thyroid cancer and I learned from my

endo

> > (not reliable) and also from somebody on the " Thyca " group,

> > that you don't want your TSH to rise AT ALL, or the cancer will

come

> > back.

> >

> > I'm looking for an answer, I don't understand how a recurrence of

> > cancer happens just by the pituitary asking for more thyroid

hormone

> > (making TSH). TSH causes a recurrence of thyca? That just

doesn't

> > sound right to me. Because if it does, I shouldn't be taking

> > iodine. And also I just switched from synthroid to armour (I'm

sure

> > there'll be a little fluctuation in TSH while I adjust). What is

> > the REAL cause for recurrence of thyca (diet, toxins) and what

role

> > does TSH play if any? My body needs iodine, but.....what about

this

> > TSH stuff?

> > If someone can clarify, thank you,

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

sorry, I see my message didn't print....

thanks for the info!!! I have Hashi's and am on Armour and

Levothyroid (for extra T4), been concerned about iodine because of

reading it increases the TSH. Mine is currently very low at 0.015,

but my Free's are good. We are trying to conceive and I don't want

to mess up my thyroid anymore. any comments?

thanks!!

Sami

> >

> > -

> >

> > My name is and I am the owner of this group. I am

also

> an 8 year

> > thyca survivor thanks to Iodine. In addition I helped Dr.

> Brownstein write

> > that chapter in his book. Here's the nuts and bolts:

> >

> > 1) Stay away from the ThyCa' group. They are steeped in

> allopathic

> > " medicine " and do not understand healing with natural

therapies.

> I was told

> > not to take iodine because of a shell fish allergy. I believe

> this is what

> > caused the cancer to return 2 times after RAI.

> >

> > 2) TSH rises to stimulate the thyroid NIS to take in iodine.

> What is

> > dangerous to thyroid cancer patients is actually the

> thyroglobulin - NOT the

> > TSH. If you remember the Tg is the marker they use for cancer.

> > Thyroglobulin is increased by TSH.

> >

> > 3) Iodine is antimicrobial, bacterial and induces apoptosis

> (normal cell

> > death). There is a gene P53 that is called the guardian of the

> genetic

> > code. I scans the cells looking for abnormal DNA and when it

sees

> it, it

> > marks the cell for death. It then goes to MDM20 to perform

> a " lock & key "

> > reaction to start the process of apoptosis in that cell.

Without

> iodine

> > apoptosis does not occur.

> >

> > 4) Armour will keep your TSH suppressed. Because you do not

have

> a thyroid

> > the mechanism is different. Being on the proper dose of Armour

is

> critical.

> > I have been less than .01 for over 2 years now.

> >

> > When I started on Iodine (50 mgs) I was also just starting

> Armour. I

> > bounced around a bit with my TSH over the 3 mos it took me to

get

> to my

> > current dose but during that time I also took the high dose of

> Iodoral. My

> > Tg started to come down (from 24 to 12) which showed that things

> were dying

> > off.

> >

> > You need iodine more than anyone. You have had cancer which is

> directly

> > tied to a low iodine status. Your breasts and ovaries need it

> too.

> > Actually every gland and mucosal lining in your body needs it.

It

> is cancer

> > protective. It detoxes halides. I would not be without it.

> >

> > Hope this helps!

> >

> >

> > TSH & Thyca & Iodine - need clarity!!

> >

> >

> > > At the end of Chapter 6 in Dr. Brownstein's Iodine book, he

talks

> > > about how if your TSH rises after beginning iodine therapy, it

> > > doesn't mean you are hypo (as long as your FT3 and FT4 are

good).

> > > And it could remain elevated for up to 6 months (to help

> stimulate

> > > production of NIS cells).

> > >

> > > My concern is that I had thyroid cancer and I learned from my

> endo

> > > (not reliable) and also from somebody on the " Thyca "

group,

> > > that you don't want your TSH to rise AT ALL, or the cancer

will

> come

> > > back.

> > >

> > > I'm looking for an answer, I don't understand how a recurrence

of

> > > cancer happens just by the pituitary asking for more thyroid

> hormone

> > > (making TSH). TSH causes a recurrence of thyca? That just

> doesn't

> > > sound right to me. Because if it does, I shouldn't be taking

> > > iodine. And also I just switched from synthroid to armour

(I'm

> sure

> > > there'll be a little fluctuation in TSH while I adjust). What

is

> > > the REAL cause for recurrence of thyca (diet, toxins) and what

> role

> > > does TSH play if any? My body needs iodine, but.....what

about

> this

> > > TSH stuff?

> > > If someone can clarify, thank you,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

> >

> > -

> >

> > My name is and I am the owner of this group. I am

also

> an 8 year

> > thyca survivor thanks to Iodine. In addition I helped Dr.

> Brownstein write

> > that chapter in his book. Here's the nuts and bolts:

> >

> > 1) Stay away from the ThyCa' group. They are steeped in

> allopathic

> > " medicine " and do not understand healing with natural

therapies.

> I was told

> > not to take iodine because of a shell fish allergy. I believe

> this is what

> > caused the cancer to return 2 times after RAI.

> >

> > 2) TSH rises to stimulate the thyroid NIS to take in iodine.

> What is

> > dangerous to thyroid cancer patients is actually the

> thyroglobulin - NOT the

> > TSH. If you remember the Tg is the marker they use for cancer.

> > Thyroglobulin is increased by TSH.

>

> >

> > 3) Iodine is antimicrobial, bacterial and induces apoptosis

> (normal cell

> > death). There is a gene P53 that is called the guardian of the

> genetic

> > code. I scans the cells looking for abnormal DNA and when it

sees

> it, it

> > marks the cell for death. It then goes to MDM20 to perform

> a " lock & key "

> > reaction to start the process of apoptosis in that cell.

Without

> iodine

> > apoptosis does not occur.

> >

> > 4) Armour will keep your TSH suppressed. Because you do not

have

> a thyroid

> > the mechanism is different. Being on the proper dose of Armour

is

> critical.

> > I have been less than .01 for over 2 years now.

>

>

----I just finished my 1st week on Armour - I started at 1.5 gr,

and

> tomorrow will increase to 2. My alt med doc gave me a slip to

check

> frees and TSH 5 weeks from now. Does this sound approp? Should I

> keep increasing 1/2 gr a week?

> >

> > When I started on Iodine (50 mgs) I was also just starting

Armour.

>

>

----I wonder if I should jump to 50 mg a day right now (I just

> started a week ago doing the ramp-up method - 6.25/day for one

week,

> then 12.5/day next week, etc.).

>

> I

> > bounced around a bit with my TSH over the 3 mos it took me to

get

> to my

> > current dose but during that time I also took the high dose of

> Iodoral. My

> > Tg started to come down (from 24 to 12) which showed that things

> were dying

> > off.

>

>

> ----So being on iodine, although it may have raised your TSH (or

> bounced it around while finding optimal armour dose), didn't

> increase your Tg, it DECREASED it. My Tg is down and was down <.2

> ever since I got my TSH suppressed after my ablation (even during

my

> WBS a year later Tg was <.2 with my TSH 101). So being on iodine,

> although my TSH may go up on it, I shouldn't worry about my Tg

going

> up?

>

> >

>

> > You need iodine more than anyone. You have had cancer which is

> directly

> > tied to a low iodine status. Your breasts and ovaries need it

> too.

> > Actually every gland and mucosal lining in your body needs it.

It

> is cancer

> > protective. It detoxes halides. I would not be without it.

> >

> > Hope this helps!

> >

> >

> > TSH & Thyca & Iodine - need clarity!!

> >

> >

> > > At the end of Chapter 6 in Dr. Brownstein's Iodine book, he

talks

> > > about how if your TSH rises after beginning iodine therapy, it

> > > doesn't mean you are hypo (as long as your FT3 and FT4 are

good).

> > > And it could remain elevated for up to 6 months (to help

> stimulate

> > > production of NIS cells).

> > >

> > > My concern is that I had thyroid cancer and I learned from my

> endo

> > > (not reliable) and also from somebody on the " Thyca "

group,

> > > that you don't want your TSH to rise AT ALL, or the cancer

will

> come

> > > back.

> > >

> > > I'm looking for an answer, I don't understand how a recurrence

of

> > > cancer happens just by the pituitary asking for more thyroid

> hormone

> > > (making TSH). TSH causes a recurrence of thyca? That just

> doesn't

> > > sound right to me. Because if it does, I shouldn't be taking

> > > iodine. And also I just switched from synthroid to armour

(I'm

> sure

> > > there'll be a little fluctuation in TSH while I adjust). What

is

> > > the REAL cause for recurrence of thyca (diet, toxins) and what

> role

> > > does TSH play if any? My body needs iodine, but.....what

about

> this

> > > TSH stuff?

> > > If someone can clarify, thank you,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

You should be fine. Iodine is critical for that new baby. There are many

research articles on how there is very low IQ when iodine is low.

Steph

TSH & Thyca & Iodine - need clarity!!

>> >

>> >

>> > > At the end of Chapter 6 in Dr. Brownstein's Iodine book, he

> talks

>> > > about how if your TSH rises after beginning iodine therapy, it

>> > > doesn't mean you are hypo (as long as your FT3 and FT4 are

> good).

>> > > And it could remain elevated for up to 6 months (to help

>> stimulate

>> > > production of NIS cells).

>> > >

>> > > My concern is that I had thyroid cancer and I learned from my

>> endo

>> > > (not reliable) and also from somebody on the " Thyca "

> group,

>> > > that you don't want your TSH to rise AT ALL, or the cancer

> will

>> come

>> > > back.

>> > >

>> > > I'm looking for an answer, I don't understand how a recurrence

> of

>> > > cancer happens just by the pituitary asking for more thyroid

>> hormone

>> > > (making TSH). TSH causes a recurrence of thyca? That just

>> doesn't

>> > > sound right to me. Because if it does, I shouldn't be taking

>> > > iodine. And also I just switched from synthroid to armour

> (I'm

>> sure

>> > > there'll be a little fluctuation in TSH while I adjust). What

> is

>> > > the REAL cause for recurrence of thyca (diet, toxins) and what

>> role

>> > > does TSH play if any? My body needs iodine, but.....what

> about

>> this

>> > > TSH stuff?

>> > > If someone can clarify, thank you,

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > ------------------------------------

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

[Guest guest]

> ----I just finished my 1st week on Armour - I started at 1.5 gr, > and tomorrow will increase to 2. My alt med doc gave me a slip to > check frees and TSH 5 weeks from now. Does this sound approp? Should I >> keep increasing 1/2 gr a week?

That's too long to wait at that dose with thyroid cancer. The Armour instructions tell you to increase 1/4-1/2 grain per week until you reach 3 gr. Then you hold for 4 weeks and increase as needed. You need that TSH supressed. That is critical. I can't tell you what to do on your own. That is up to you.

> ----I wonder if I should jump to 50 mg a day right now (I just >> started a week ago doing the ramp-up method - 6.25/day for one > week, then 12.5/day next week, etc.).

I started right out on 50 mgs - no problem. You have no risk of increased thyroid since you have none.

----So being on iodine, although it may have raised your TSH (or bounced it around while finding optimal armour dose), didn't >> increase your Tg, it DECREASED it. My Tg is down and was down .2 ever since I got my TSH suppressed after my ablation (even during > my WBS a year later Tg was <.2 with my TSH 101). So being on iodine although my TSH may go up on it, I shouldn't worry about my Tg > going up?

No don't worry about your TSH if you are on enough iodine which I consider to be 50 mgs when you are a cancer patient

.

[Guest guest]

>

> > ----I just finished my 1st week on Armour - I started at 1.5 gr,

> > and tomorrow will increase to 2. My alt med doc gave me a slip

to

> > check frees and TSH 5 weeks from now. Does this sound approp?

Should I

> >> keep increasing 1/2 gr a week?

>

> That's too long to wait at that dose with thyroid cancer. The

Armour instructions tell you to increase 1/4-1/2 grain per week

until you reach 3 gr. Then you hold for 4 weeks and increase as

needed. You need that TSH supressed. That is critical. I can't

tell you what to do on your own. That is up to you.

I plan to keep increasing to 3 and hold for 4 weeks (I didn't word

this right). I'm wondering if it's necessary to check thyroid

levels before 5 weeks.

I live an hour north of Dr. Brownstein's office; would you recommend

his associates? Does Brownstein still have a 6 month wait list?

Maybe his associates are easier to see? I'll call and check, just

wanted to know what you recommended? Do they take insurance? In

case I decide to leave my alt med doc (doesn't take insurance - and

he's not literate enough on iodine - but he'll support me). He

doesn't know enough about thyroid cancer. He leans more toward

gluten intolerance than iodine deficiency as a cause.

Thanks,

>

> > ----I wonder if I should jump to 50 mg a day right now (I just

> >> started a week ago doing the ramp-up method - 6.25/day for one

> > week, then 12.5/day next week, etc.).

>

> I started right out on 50 mgs - no problem. You have no risk of

increased thyroid since you have none.

>

> ----So being on iodine, although it may have raised your TSH (or

bounced it around while finding optimal armour dose), didn't

> >> increase your Tg, it DECREASED it. My Tg is down and was

down .2 ever since I got my TSH suppressed after my ablation (even

during

> > my WBS a year later Tg was <.2 with my TSH 101). So being on

iodine although my TSH may go up on it, I shouldn't worry about my

Tg

> > going up?

>

> No don't worry about your TSH if you are on enough iodine which I

consider to be 50 mgs when you are a cancer patient

>

> .

>

[Guest guest]

> I plan to keep increasing to 3 and hold for 4 weeks (I didn't word

> this right). I'm wondering if it's necessary to check thyroid

> levels before 5 weeks.

> I live an hour north of Dr. Brownstein's office; would you recommend

> his associates?

<<SB>> I would recommend Dr. Ng. He is agressive with iodine treatments

and is more closely like Dr. B's treatment than the other doctor in the

practice.

Does Brownstein still have a 6 month wait list?

<<SB>> He has no waiting list right now. He is not taking new patients

right now at all.

> Maybe his associates are easier to see? I'll call and check, just wanted

> to know what you recommended?

<<SB>> I think Dr. Ng is 3 mos out.

Do they take insurance?

<<SB>> No they do not take insurance. First visit is $375. After that I

think Dr. Ng is $100 / vist for 20 mins. You can submit on your own to your

ins as out of network. That's what I have had to do. I end up with $40 out

of pocket.

In case I decide to leave my alt med doc (doesn't take insurance - and

> he's not literate enough on iodine - but he'll support me). He

> doesn't know enough about thyroid cancer. He leans more toward

> gluten intolerance than iodine deficiency as a cause.

> Thanks,

>