Re: New to the Group and a couple of Questions

[Guest guest]

I am very new to this group and was referred by my friend. I am >

for a few days. Has anyone had the experience of painting it on and then

> feeling a sense of being speeded up as though on caffeine. That is

what I

> am experiencing but can't say for sure that it is from the iodine.

----> Hi Alana,

I don't see that anyone has addressed your question so I'll try. I'm

not sure what's going on with the speed feeling after painting. I

think I've seen a few others here also mention that. It could be that

it starts the thyroid immediately going into hyperdrive as it

dissolves a goiter.

Dr. Flechas mentioned a patient he had that lost something like 40

lbs in 2 months on iodine because his goiter quickly began to

dissolve. Possibly you are also having a reaction similar reaction???

In terms of fibrocystic breasts .....yes you do want to take care of

this. I also have severe fibrocystic breasts so can comment on this. I

need at least 50mgs of iodine/day to deal it effectively. I tried

lower amoutns and/or painting alone. Doesn't totally take care of the

pain so my guess is that the breast tissue is still continuing to form

incorrectly.

Can you iodine load test and see where you are?

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn,

Thank you SO MUCH for taking the time to

answer my question. I did not think my note was received and I am new to this

forum. I am here due to my friend Sharon Conti, one of the moderators.

Anyway, I greatly appreciate your response!

I have been thinking about all of this for

a while now – I do have fibrocystic breasts, although not severe. I

am not really terribly overweight – I could stand to lose about 10 pounds

but as I look at myself in terms of goiter or hypothyroid, it does not make

sense for me. My body temperature runs 98.6 degrees, I have excellent

health and energy, and my hair does not seem dry, and as long as I eat good

Omega 6 unprocessed fats, my skin feels great. But I do have the lumpy

breasts. Also, they are naturally very large and I understand this

indicates a need for more iodine. I am a holistic nutritionist in private

practice in Northern VA. I have always taken a natural

approach to health care, for myself and for others. I also grew up in Honolulu, Hawaii

where I ate a very Japanese diet consisting of plenty of seaweed and fresh

ocean fish. I still eat this way, consuming seaweed just about daily and

fish many times weekly. It makes me think that perhaps my thyroid is just

fine but my breasts are more about my liver processing estrogens. I hate

to say this at the expense of making enemies, but I am leery of taking such

massive doses of Iodine and feel I still need to gather more information before

I subject myself to an experiment I am unclear/uncertain about. That is why I joined

the list – to get more educated.

Thanks SO MUCH again, Lynn!

Alana

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Lynn

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007

9:56 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: New to the

Group and a couple of Questions

I am very new to this group and was referred by my

friend. I am >

for a few days. Has anyone had the experience of painting it on and then

> feeling a sense of being speeded up as though on caffeine. That is

what I

> am experiencing but can't say for sure that it is from the iodine.

----> Hi Alana,

I don't see that anyone has addressed your question so I'll try. I'm

not sure what's going on with the speed feeling after painting. I

think I've seen a few others here also mention that. It could be that

it starts the thyroid immediately going into hyperdrive as it

dissolves a goiter.

Dr. Flechas mentioned a patient he had that lost something like 40

lbs in 2 months on iodine because his goiter quickly began to

dissolve. Possibly you are also having a reaction similar reaction???

In terms of fibrocystic breasts .....yes you do want to take care of

this. I also have severe fibrocystic breasts so can comment on this. I

need at least 50mgs of iodine/day to deal it effectively. I tried

lower amoutns and/or painting alone. Doesn't totally take care of the

pain so my guess is that the breast tissue is still continuing to form

incorrectly.

Can you iodine load test and see where you are?

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group, Alana. You are not alone. Over 30 new people have joined The Iodine Group during the past two weeks.

On this group, questioning is appreciated. We are all learning, and there is no one right approach for everyone. Large amounts are not right for everyone -- even though they are good for many. It is a challenge to figure out who does best on what dose of what form of iodine, with what co-nutrients in what amounts.

Trust your intuition and what you have learned about yourself and your body -- and be open to learning from others.

As a group, we are gradually learning how iodine works by each of us sharing our individual experiences and by reading reports by clinicians and research studies from around the world. Abraham, Brownstein, and Flechas are respected but not treated as the sole sources of truth.

We look forward to sharing with -- and learning from -- you.

Zoe

RE: Re: New to the Group and a couple of Questions

Yes, and thank you all again for your responses. I appreciate this as I was concerned that my questioning may cause some uneasiness. At this point, such large amounts are feeling counter-intuitive for me. In Chinese medicine, the liver is responsible for the health of the breasts and breast tenderness, lumpiness, etc is treated by treating the liver. One thing I have found helpful for many is the addition of unprocessed omega 6 fats in the form of evening primrose oil, unprocessed safflower oil, or my favorite- extra virgin pine nut oil along with a diet that reduces animal fats from animals that are not raised naturally, and for some people even from animals that are raised naturally.

I am still leery about high dose iodine as I, too, have a concern about the possible depletion of other minerals and potential toxicity of iodine in general. And yes, that can even include an excess of seaweed.

This is a great list.

Thanks to you all again!

Alana

[Guest guest]

Flechas told me the higher sat fats in the diet to

more iodine is needed.

Lynn

This is really

interesting, and actually would not surprise me. There is definitely a correlation

between high sat fat intake and breast lumpiness and tenderness. In fact,

just the other day, a woman came to me saying that just from adding natural

whole milk to her diet after many years, her breasts started to ache –

and it had been years since having any problems like that. I know it is

true for me that the inclusion of red meat, cream, bacon, etc causes breast

tenderness. I only eat the naturally raised stuff, too…right off

the farm, but it does not seem to matter. I wish I knew what the

correlation was.

Thanks!

Alana

[Guest guest]

Hi Zoe,

Thank you so much for this kind

welcome. I am here to learn, and I know I have much to learn from all of

you. I am familiar with Abraham and Brownstein but not with Fletchas.

I will have to research this person.

I actually just came across some letters

written by Dr. Alan Gaby, MD to the Townsend publication. Have any of you

seen that? Again, I don’t know if he is right or wrong, and as you

say here, Zoe, we are all different, but there seems to be a debate about high

dose Iodine therapy. The other interesting thing I have learned is that

Edgar Cayce recommended iodine in many, many of his readings, but apparently found

iodine to contain poisons. He has a product that (somehow) has the

poisons removed – it is called Atomodine, I believe. Are any of you

on that particular formula?

I tend to air on the cautious side for

myself when experimenting with high doses of anything, other than love of

course! Thanks, Zoe and all of you for your time.

Alana

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Zoe &

Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007

1:54 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Re: New to

the Group and a couple of Questions

Welcome to the group, Alana. You are not alone. Over 30 new

people have joined The Iodine Group during the past two weeks.

On this group, questioning is appreciated. We are all learning,

and there is no one right approach for everyone. Large amounts are not

right for everyone -- even though they are good for many. It is

a challenge to figure out who does best on what dose of what form of

iodine, with what co-nutrients in what amounts.

Trust your intuition and what you have learned about yourself and your

body -- and be open to learning from others.

As a group, we are gradually learning how iodine works by each of us

sharing our individual experiences and by reading reports by clinicians

and research studies from around the world. Abraham,

Brownstein, and Flechas are respected but not treated as the sole

sources of truth.

We look forward to sharing with -- and learning from -- you.

Zoe

RE: Re: New

to the Group and a couple of Questions

Yes, and thank you all again for your responses. I appreciate

this as I was concerned that my questioning may

cause some uneasiness.

At this point, such large amounts are feeling counter-intuitive

for me. In Chinese

medicine, the liver is responsible for the health of the breasts and breast

tenderness, lumpiness, etc is treated by treating the liver. One thing I

have found helpful for many is the addition of unprocessed

omega 6 fats in the form of evening primrose oil, unprocessed safflower oil, or

my favorite- extra virgin pine nut oil along with a diet that reduces animal

fats from animals that are not raised naturally, and for some people even from animals that are raised

naturally.

I am still leery about high dose iodine as I, too, have a concern about the possible depletion of other

minerals and potential toxicity of iodine in general. And yes, that can

even include an excess of seaweed.

This is a great list.

Thanks to you all again!

Alana

[Guest guest]

- This is really interesting, and actually would not surprise me. There is> definitely a correlation between high sat fat intake and breast lumpiness> and tenderness. In fact, just the other day, a woman came to me saying that> just from adding natural whole milk to her diet after many years, her> breasts started to ache - and it had been years since having any problems> like that. -----------> I'm not sure what's going on with the fats and iodine. I have reduced although not by any means eliminated sat fats from my diet. I really seem to need them to keep my teeth and collagen holding up well. I also eat very well raised meats and dairy. The farmers are using well water to eliminate the Fluoride factor and supplement with seaweeds. There is also a balance with hormones going on....I know that using BHRT will lower my sore breasts but only when I use enough. I'm unwilling to use that level so I'm sure there is a progesterone component that needs balancing by estrogen. I have seen some research on the balancing of hormones as part of this.I'm also larger breasted and breast tissue is replaced by fat as we age. Prehaps the fat/iodine link is involved in this too. I've been on iodine around 2 years now. Since last fall I've been on and off 50mgs of iodoral and can feel the cysts have gotten softer and smaller. Dr. Flechas told me to expect 2-3 years to have them disappear. Lynn

[Guest guest]

Hi Lana,

I am a longtime Cayce student and think iodine is more important for our bodies today than it was in his day. I can't see any relationship between the iodine Cayce recommended and Iodine trichloride. If these MD's are correct that Bromide, Chloride and Flouride are the enemies of Iodine in the body, that is they takes iodine's place in iodine receptors, then one would really be surprised that Cayce wouldn't know that, (take 3 Chlorides for each iodine?).

Here is a bit of information from Cayce's day about the product back then you may find interesting. Then it could be used in ways quite different than many forms of iodine used today. Every 3 hours in small quantities of iodine because the electromagnetic energy given to the atoms only lasted that long.

There is a lot of information in the Cayce readings about iodine (breaking the diatomic bond and energizing the atom) that I hope science soon discovers. B

http://health. groups.. com/group/ iodine/files/ 90%20Miscellaneo us%20Information /%27s% 20Info%20on% 20Nascent% 20%20Iodine/

RE: Re: New to the Group and a couple of Questions

Yes, and thank you all again for your responses. I appreciate this as I was concerned that my questioning may cause some uneasiness. At this point, such large amounts are feeling counter-intuitive for me. In Chinese medicine, the liver is responsible for the health of the breasts and breast tenderness, lumpiness, etc is treated by treating the liver. One thing I have found helpful for many is

the addition of unprocessed omega 6 fats in the form of evening primrose oil, unprocessed safflower oil, or my favorite- extra virgin pine nut oil along with a diet that reduces animal fats from animals that are not raised naturally, and for some people even from animals that are raised naturally.

I am still leery about high dose iodine as I, too, have a concern about the possible depletion of other minerals and potential toxicity of iodine in general. And yes, that can even include an excess of seaweed.

This is a great list.

Thanks to you all again!

Alana

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, . This will no doubt be very

interesting. One question: If a person’s body was full of one, both, or all

of the three enemies you mention below, how would they know that? Would their

thyroid gland be not properly functioning? In other words, would they manifest

symptoms of hypo/hyper thyroid?

Thanks,

Alana

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of john brookshire

Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007

8:12 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Re: New to

the Group and a couple of Questions

Hi Lana,

I am a longtime Cayce student and think iodine is more

important for our bodies today than it was in his day. I can't see any

relationship between the iodine Cayce recommended and Iodine trichloride. If

these MD's are correct that Bromide, Chloride and Flouride are the enemies of

Iodine in the body, that is they takes iodine's place in iodine receptors, then

one would really be surprised that Cayce wouldn't know that, (take 3 Chlorides

for each iodine?).

Here is a bit of information from Cayce's day about

the product back then you may find interesting. Then it could be used in ways

quite different than many forms of iodine used today. Every 3 hours in

small quantities of iodine because the electromagnetic

energy given to the atoms only lasted that long.

There is a lot of information in the Cayce readings about iodine

(breaking the diatomic bond and energizing the atom) that I hope science soon

discovers. B

http://health. groups.. com/group/ iodine/files/

90%20Miscellaneo us%20Information /%27s% 20Info%20on% 20Nascent%

20%20Iodine/

RE: Re: New to the Group and a couple of

Questions

Yes, and thank you all again for your responses. I appreciate

this as I was concerned that my questioning may

cause some uneasiness.

At this point, such large amounts are feeling counter-intuitive

for me. In Chinese

medicine, the liver is responsible for the health of the breasts and breast

tenderness, lumpiness, etc is treated by treating the liver. One thing I

have found helpful for many is the addition of unprocessed

omega 6 fats in the form of evening primrose oil, unprocessed safflower oil, or

my favorite- extra virgin pine nut oil along with a diet that reduces animal

fats from animals that are not raised naturally, and for some people even from animals that are raised naturally.

I am still leery about high dose iodine as I, too, have a concern about the possible depletion of other

minerals and potential toxicity of iodine in general. And yes, that can

even include an excess of seaweed.

This is a great list.

Thanks to you all again!

Alana

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[Guest guest]

Exactly me, too, Lynn. I never completely

eliminate sat fats from my diet but it is true that my breasts feel better

without them.

Best,

Alana

-----------> I'm not sure what's going on with the fats and

iodine. I have reduced although not by any means eliminated sat fats from my

diet. I really seem to need them to keep my teeth and collagen holding up

well. I also eat very well raised meats and dairy. The farmers are using

well water to eliminate the Fluoride factor and supplement with seaweeds.

There is also a balance with hormones going on....I know that using BHRT will

lower my sore breasts but only when I use enough. I'm unwilling to use

that level so I'm sure there is a progesterone component that needs balancing

by estrogen. I have seen some research on the balancing of hormones as part of

this.

I'm also larger breasted and breast tissue is replaced by fat as we age.

Prehaps the fat/iodine link is involved in this too.

I've been on iodine around 2 years now. Since last fall I've been on and

off 50mgs of iodoral and can feel the cysts have gotten softer and

smaller. Dr. Flechas told me to expect 2-3 years to have them

disappear.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Hi ,  How is nascent iodine different from detoxified iodine which I ordered from Cayce Concepts. Can it be used as well as Iodoral or instead of?  AnnOn 29-Mar-07, at 9:12 PM, john brookshire wrote:Hi Lana,    I am a longtime Cayce student and think iodine is more important for our bodies today than it was in his day.  I can't see any relationship between the iodine Cayce recommended and Iodine trichloride. If these MD's are correct that Bromide, Chloride and Flouride are the enemies of Iodine in the body, that is they takes iodine's place in iodine receptors, then one would really be surprised that Cayce wouldn't know that, (take 3 Chlorides for each iodine?).   Here is a bit of information from Cayce's day about the product back then you may find interesting. Then it could be used in ways quite different than many forms of iodine used today. Every 3 hours in small quantities of iodine because the electromagnetic energy given  to the atoms only lasted that long.There is a lot of information in the Cayce readings about iodine (breaking the diatomic bond and energizing the atom) that I hope science soon discovers. B http://health. groups.. com/group/ iodine/files/ 90%20Miscellaneo us%20Information /%27s% 20Info%20on% 20Nascent% 20%20Iodine/   RE: Re: New to the Group and a couple of Questions Yes, and thank you all again for your responses.  I appreciate this as I was concerned that my questioning may cause some uneasiness.   At this point, such large amounts are feeling counter-intuitive for me.  In Chinese medicine, the liver is responsible for the health of the breasts and breast tenderness, lumpiness, etc is treated by treating the liver.  One thing I have found helpful for many is the addition of unprocessed omega 6 fats in the form of evening primrose oil, unprocessed safflower oil, or my favorite- extra virgin pine nut oil along with a diet that reduces animal fats from animals that are not raised naturally, and for some people even from animals that are raised naturally.  I am still leery about high dose iodine as I, too, have a concern about the possible depletion of other minerals and potential toxicity of iodine in general.  And yes, that can even include an excess of seaweed. This is a great list.Thanks to you all again!Alana Bored stiff? Loosen up...Download and play hundreds of games for free on Games.

[Guest guest]

Hi Ann

Cayce gave two methods for energizing iodine in an electromagnetic field (a supped up wet cell with ac running through it). One is real quick and easy, it energizes the iodine molecule but doesn't break the bond. The other breaks the diatomic bond and energized the atom above the nascent state. When diluted and consumed the electromagnetic energy starts to relax (3 hours / in Cayce's day). I speculated the body recognizes the nascent energy atom and rushes it where needed to do it's work, nascent iodine was recognized in Cayce recommended iodine of 1930's.

Sorry Ann, I wander, Detoxified used to be low energy, then became high energy because those who tested the two said it was much better. But it looks like they may say it is a secret process and if you knew it we would have to kill you. Only joking there I take it back, these guys are my friends or used to be. Anyway I am afraid they may NOW say it is only our business how we make it. No promises. Disappointed B

RE: Re: New to the Group and a couple of Questions

Yes, and thank you all again for your responses. I appreciate this as I was concerned that my questioning may cause some uneasiness. At this point,

such large amounts are feeling counter-intuitive for me. In Chinese medicine, the liver is responsible for the health of the breasts and breast tenderness, lumpiness, etc is treated by treating the liver. One thing I have found helpful for many is the addition of unprocessed omega 6 fats in the form of evening primrose oil, unprocessed safflower oil, or my favorite- extra virgin pine nut oil along with a diet that reduces animal fats from animals that are not raised naturally, and for some people even from animals that are raised naturally.

I am still leery about high dose iodine as I, too, have a concern about the possible depletion of other minerals and potential toxicity of iodine in general. And

yes, that can even include an excess of seaweed.

This is a great list.

Thanks to you all again!

Alana

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[Guest guest]

Hi Alana

The other folks in the group will answer this better than I. I hope that others will explain the workings of this, Dr. Brownstein's book goes into this I believe. I was only pointing out that Iodine Trichloride seems a poor choice for delivering iodine in the body. The best quality it has going for it seems that it is water soluble. Mixes in water (cheap) instead of alcohol(expensive).

RE: Re: New to the Group and a couple of Questions

Yes, and thank you all again for your responses. I appreciate this as I was concerned that my questioning may cause some uneasiness. At this point, such large amounts are feeling counter-intuitive for me. In Chinese medicine, the liver is responsible for the health of the breasts and breast tenderness, lumpiness, etc is treated by treating the liver. One thing I have found helpful for many is

the addition of unprocessed omega 6 fats in the form of evening primrose oil, unprocessed safflower oil, or my favorite- extra virgin pine nut oil along with a diet that reduces animal fats from animals that are not raised naturally, and for some people even from animals that are raised naturally.

I am still leery about high dose iodine as I, too, have a concern about the possible depletion of other minerals and potential toxicity of iodine in general. And yes, that can even include an excess of seaweed.

This is a great list.

Thanks to you all again!

Alana

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[Guest guest]

This qoute from Derry's " Breast Cancer and Iodine " seems to get

at this relationship:

" The vague link between fat intake and breast cancer might be related

to fat removing a micronutrient. One of the ways to measure the number

of double bonds in fat is to measure the amount of iodine 100 grams of

fat would take up. This was called the iodine number or value. The

most unsaturated fat has the highest iodine value. But at the same

time early experiments in the first half of the century showed puppies

fed a high fat diet developed goiters. This suggests dietary fat

removes iodine from the diet. It may be iodine protects double bonds

while they are being transported to the sites where they are needed

such as blood vessels and synaptic membranes of the central nervous

system discussed by Crawford and March. "

Sharon

> -----------> I'm not sure what's going on with the fats and iodine.

I

> have reduced although not by any means eliminated sat fats from my

diet.

> I really seem to need them to keep my teeth and collagen holding up

> well. I also eat very well raised meats and dairy. The farmers are

> using well water to eliminate the Fluoride factor and supplement

with

> seaweeds.

>

> There is also a balance with hormones going on....I know that using

BHRT

> will lower my sore breasts but only when I use enough. I'm

unwilling to

> use that level so I'm sure there is a progesterone component that

needs

> balancing by estrogen. I have seen some research on the balancing of

> hormones as part of this.

>

> I'm also larger breasted and breast tissue is replaced by fat as we

age.

> Prehaps the fat/iodine link is involved in this too.