Re: Can't we all agree to disagree and move on

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>

> posts of sandy, Jessie, and Dan, and a few others - have taught me

> 98% of what i needed to know about my band. You are very naive to

> think that most band docs have much useful knowledge about daily

> living with the band. Any any they DO have came from their

> patients, like on this site.

Are you sure you're really a doctor?! Are you saying that all of

your doctor's band experience regarding how the patient should be

living with their band has come from these sites? I for one prefer

to use a surgeon who's had all of their experience come from Inamed

and their experiences treating many patients!

> My band doctor has learned a great deal from posts that i have

> discussed with him. He has several times even called sandy or

> Jessie for advice on treating a patient. I'm not sure why you have

> a problem with that.

I'm not sure why you DON'T have a problem with that! If your doctor

has questions or is in need of advice about how to treat his lapband

patients, he should call Inamed. They will put him in touch with a

certified proctor for advice. IMO, these boards should be used for

emotional support and to share ideas, NOT for ANY kind of medical

advice. This should only come from your surgeon! To suggest

otherwise it reckless!

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Monday, December 13, 2004, 12:54:43 AM, you wrote:

c>

>>

>> posts of sandy, Jessie, and Dan, and a few

>> others - have taught me

>> 98% of what i needed to know about my band. You

>> are very naive to

>> think that most band docs have much useful

>> knowledge about daily

>> living with the band. Any any they DO have came

>> from their

>> patients, like on this site.

c> Are you sure you're really a doctor?!

Well, obviously on the net any of us can claim to be anything or

anyone we want. I might be the Queen of Sheba or the Vice President

of the USA in disguise. You just never know. However, I have no

reason to doubt that he's a doctor, an MD.

c> Are you

c> saying that all of

c> your doctor's band experience regarding how the

c> patient should be

c> living with their band has come from these sites?

That isn't what he said. He said that most of HIS experience and

knowledge of living with the band came from these sites, and that most

of the doctor's knowledge came from patients. This makes perfect

sense to me. Think of all the male OB/GYN docs. Their knowledge of

what it is like to be pregnant, to deliver a baby, etc., came from

their patients. Sure, it came from books and classes too, but you can

be sure they never had a baby themselves. Or heart surgeons. Most of

them never had a heart attack, and their knowledge of the feelings,

results, etc, has to come from their patients too. Other examples

abound.

c> I

c> for one prefer

c> to use a surgeon who's had all of their experience

c> come from Inamed

c> and their experiences treating many patients!

Inamed doesn't have experience treating many patients. They sell the

bands. Their knowledge doesn't come from direct work with patients,

but from working with doctors who work with patients. Sure, Inamed has

MDs on their staff, but most of them don't have bands....if any do at

all. I know of TWO banded band surgeons...one in MX, one in FL.

There may be a few others. The rest of the band surgeons have never

experienced getting things stuck, barfing from eating too fast, and

all the other things we learn from each other, and from our own

experiences.

>> My band doctor has learned a great deal from

>> posts that i have

>> discussed with him. He has several times even

>> called sandy or

>> Jessie for advice on treating a patient. I'm not

>> sure why you have

>> a problem with that.

c> I'm not sure why you DON'T have a problem with that!

I certainly don't have a problem with it either. My internist never

even heard of bands until I took him a copy of the Inamed book. He's

fairly young, keeps very up to date, is an excellent diagnostician and

physician....but he sure can't know about every new development in

every field of medicine.

c> If your doctor

c> has questions or is in need of advice about how to

c> treat his lapband

c> patients, he should call Inamed. They will put him

c> in touch with a

c> certified proctor for advice. IMO, these boards

c> should be used for

c> emotional support and to share ideas, NOT for ANY

c> kind of medical

c> advice. This should only come from your surgeon!

c> To suggest

c> otherwise it reckless!

No one here is suggesting ANY boards be used for medical advice. And

that's exactly why those on here who are medical professionals of

whatever type refer you to your own doctor for medical advice.

However, we can ALL, including our physicians, learn from the

experiences of other patients. Any physician who doesn't learn from

his patients is a complete idiot. There isn't just one source of

information in the world.

dan, information professional, not medical professional

Dan Lester, Boise, ID honu@... www.mylapband.tk

Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/28/03

323/209/199 Age 61 Fair is whatever God decides to do.

[Guest guest]

--- In , Dan Lester <honu@g...>

//>

> He said that most of HIS experience and knowledge of living with

the band came from these sites, and that most of the doctor's

knowledge came from patients. This makes perfect sense to me.

>//

I agree this makes more sense. Maybe I misunderstood.

//>

> Think of all the male OB/GYN docs. Their knowledge of

> what it is like to be pregnant, to deliver a baby, etc., came from

> their patients. Sure, it came from books and classes too, but you

can be sure they never had a baby themselves. Or heart surgeons.

Most of them never had a heart attack, and their knowledge of the

feelings, results, etc, has to come from their patients too. Other

examples abound.

> //

I agree again, if we're talking about getting into the patient's

head (feelings). However, if my heart surgeon or ob/gyn needed

advice regarding my treatment, I would hope they would call someone

more qualified than some know-it-all posting on a support group

board. Sandy RN, while yes she has a band, she is, by her own

admission, NOT certified by Inamed in any shape or form, nor has she

completed a training course! I would not have a problem with my

doctor calling Jessie regarding fills. However, when Inamed

provides proctor surgeons for new band surgeons to refer to with

their questions, that should be the first choice. These are the

surgeons which were found to be the most technically proficient and

statistically successful with the Lapband. Why would the new

surgeon not call one of them first? I just find that very odd.