Guest guest Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 While browsing Mercola's site today, I found the following comments on how he treats newly diagnosed hypothyroid patients. I found it quite interesting to see that his first treatment step involves starting patients on iodine rather than thyroid hormones. Zoe "My typical approach is to avoid the use of all thyroid hormones in newly diagnosed patients. It is quite easy to start someone on thyroid hormones and relieve their symptoms (see table below). However, once a person remains on thyroid hormone for a number of years, there is a great tendency for their thyroid to become progressively less functional and eventually stop producing any functional hormones. "Starting a person on thyroid hormones could condemn them to taking thyroid hormone for the rest of their life, and this is something I am very reluctant to do. "So my initial strategy is to start patients on selenium and iodine to provide the raw materials for their thyroid gland to work better." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 , here are some comments from Brownstein's book on Iodine, pp 120 - 122, where he talks about dosage. "There is no perfect dose for everyone. The best way to properly dose iodine is to test the body for its iodine status. This can easily be accomplished with an iodine-loading test.... "Once an iodine-deficient state is determined, iodine supplementation can be implemented. I recommend using a combination of iodine and iodide. This can be found in liquid or tablet form.... "Approximately 12 mg of iodine has been established as the optimal daily dose of iodine/iodide for the breast and thyroid gland. However, this may not be adequate to address the needs of the rest of the body. Also, due to the contact with so many goitrogenic substances such as bromide and fluoride..., the daily iodine requirements may be elevated for some. Depending on the iodine status of the body, my experience has shown that 12 mg should be considered the minimum daily dose of iodine/iodide....I have often found an effective dose to be somewhere between 12 and 50 mg per day." "Iodine, like any substance, can cause adverse effects.... For individuals who are unusually sensitive to supplements and medications, I would recommend starting with a low dose of iodine and titrating that dose. Close monitoring of the symptoms can often guide the dosage." Zoe I find this thread very encouraging as I would much rather eatseaweed than ground up animal thyroid (especially seeing as Iam a vegetarian, <smile>). For those of us pursuing this path,let's now talk about dose. How much do these doctors suggest?Thanks,- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 - I just started lugol's and have hashi's and adrenal problems.. How many drops should I use. I have been useing one drop for about 2 weeks. How and when do you raise it? Thanks Ellen -- In iodine , " Zoe & " <ZOEA@...> wrote: > > , here are some comments from Brownstein's book on Iodine, pp 120 - 122, where he talks about dosage. > > " There is no perfect dose for everyone. The best way to properly dose iodine is to test the body for its iodine status. This can easily be accomplished with an iodine-loading test.... > > " Once an iodine-deficient state is determined, iodine supplementation can be implemented. I recommend using a combination of iodine and iodide. This can be found in liquid or tablet form.... > > " Approximately 12 mg of iodine has been established as the optimal daily dose of iodine/iodide for the breast and thyroid gland. However, this may not be adequate to address the needs of the rest of the body. Also, due to the contact with so many goitrogenic substances such as bromide and fluoride..., the daily iodine requirements may be elevated for some. Depending on the iodine status of the body, my experience has shown that 12 mg should be considered the minimum daily dose of iodine/iodide....I have often found an effective dose to be somewhere between 12 and 50 mg per day. " > > " Iodine, like any substance, can cause adverse effects.... For individuals who are unusually sensitive to supplements and medications, I would recommend starting with a low dose of iodine and titrating that dose. Close monitoring of the symptoms can often guide the dosage. " > > Zoe > > > I find this thread very encouraging as I would much rather eat > seaweed than ground up animal thyroid (especially seeing as I > am a vegetarian, <smile>). For those of us pursuing this path, > let's now talk about dose. How much do these doctors suggest? > > Thanks, > - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 Oh Gee, now they tell me, lol. I wish I knew all this before. Can't wait till payday to order my first iodine. Better late than never, I guess. ~ > > While browsing Mercola's site today, I found the following comments on how he treats newly diagnosed hypothyroid patients. I found it quite interesting to see that his first treatment step involves starting patients on iodine rather than thyroid hormones. Zoe > > " My typical approach is to avoid the use of all thyroid hormones in newly diagnosed patients. It is quite easy to start someone on thyroid hormones and relieve their symptoms (see table below). However, once a person remains on thyroid hormone for a number of years, there is a great tendency for their thyroid to become progressively less functional and eventually stop producing any functional hormones. > > " Starting a person on thyroid hormones could condemn them to taking thyroid hormone for the rest of their life, and this is something I am very reluctant to do. > > " So my initial strategy is to start patients on selenium and iodine to provide the raw materials for their thyroid gland to work better. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 Hi Zoea. From what you said are you a Doctor?To the group, has anyone had their 24 hour urine test done by the new lab? I'm just sending mine in tomorrow I was very disappointed when there was only 1 tube to send back. I'll just have to wait and see how they work it. Joanclaudia <claudia_homer@...> wrote: Oh Gee, now they tell me, lol. I wish I knew all this before. Can't wait till payday to order my first iodine. Better late than never, I guess. ~ >> While browsing Mercola's site today, I found the following comments on how he treats newly diagnosed hypothyroid patients. I found it quite interesting to see that his first treatment step involves starting patients on iodine rather than thyroid hormones. Zoe> > "My typical approach is to avoid the use of all thyroid hormones in newly diagnosed patients. It is quite easy to start someone on thyroid hormones and relieve their symptoms (see table below). However, once a person remains on thyroid hormone for a number of years, there is a great tendency for their thyroid to become progressively less functional and eventually stop producing any functional hormones.> > "Starting a person on thyroid hormones could condemn them to taking thyroid hormone for the rest of their life, and this is something I am very reluctant to do.> > "So my initial strategy is to start patients on selenium and iodine to provide the raw materials for their thyroid gland to work better."> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Hi I understand you are going on the Iodoral for the first time. Is that correct? If so and you need a supplier for your Iodoral I could send some let me know one way or another Joan I hope this e-mail is'nt out of place.claudia <claudia_homer@...> wrote: Oh Gee, now they tell me, lol. I wish I knew all this before. Can't wait till payday to order my first iodine. Better late than never, I guess. ~ >> While browsing Mercola's site today, I found the following comments on how he treats newly diagnosed hypothyroid patients. I found it quite interesting to see that his first treatment step involves starting patients on iodine rather than thyroid hormones. Zoe> > "My typical approach is to avoid the use of all thyroid hormones in newly diagnosed patients. It is quite easy to start someone on thyroid hormones and relieve their symptoms (see table below). However, once a person remains on thyroid hormone for a number of years, there is a great tendency for their thyroid to become progressively less functional and eventually stop producing any functional hormones.> > "Starting a person on thyroid hormones could condemn them to taking thyroid hormone for the rest of their life, and this is something I am very reluctant to do.> > "So my initial strategy is to start patients on selenium and iodine to provide the raw materials for their thyroid gland to work better."> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 On www.breastcancerchoices.org you can get 180 tablets (12.5 mg) $33.95 + $5.95 flat rate shipping, any quantity. Flat rate shipping for any amount within the US! www.breastcancerchoices.org has them for 37.95 and less $$ in quantity. I just got 5 bottles and Dr. Brownstein's Iodone book. See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 I would like to know about Iodoral suppliers too. I ordered some before, but I always like to compare prices. BGod Bless America!One nation under God Re: Re: [thyroid] iodine Hi I understand you are going on the Iodoral for the first time. Is that correct? If so and you need a supplier for your Iodoral I could send some let me know one way or another Joan I hope this e-mail is'nt out of place.claudia <claudia_homer@...> wrote: Oh Gee, now they tell me, lol. I wish I knew all this before. Can't wait till payday to order my first iodine. Better late than never, I guess. ~ >> While browsing Mercola's site today, I found the following comments on how he treats newly diagnosed hypothyroid patients. I found it quite interesting to see that his first treatment step involves starting patients on iodine rather than thyroid hormones. Zoe> > "My typical approach is to avoid the use of all thyroid hormones in newly diagnosed patients. It is quite easy to start someone on thyroid hormones and relieve their symptoms (see table below). However, once a person remains on thyroid hormone for a number of years, there is a great tendency for their thyroid to become progressively less functional and eventually stop producing any functional hormones.> > "Starting a person on thyroid hormones could condemn them to taking thyroid hormone for the rest of their life, and this is something I am very reluctant to do.> > "So my initial strategy is to start patients on selenium and iodine to provide the raw materials for their thyroid gland to work better."> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1196 - Release Date: 12/25/2007 12:18 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Good morning Joan, Yeah, I'm gonna get the good stuff. Acouple weeks ago I bought some Now potassium plus iodine (250mcg). But you have to take so many to get anywhere. I've managed to save acouple of sites that sell lugals and iodoral. But I'd be happy to collect somemore (o:. Thank you for the offer. I appreciate your kindness. ~ > > > > While browsing Mercola's site today, I found the following comments > on how he treats newly diagnosed hypothyroid patients. I found it > quite interesting to see that his first treatment step involves > starting patients on iodine rather than thyroid hormones. Zoe > > > > " My typical approach is to avoid the use of all thyroid hormones in > newly diagnosed patients. It is quite easy to start someone on > thyroid hormones and relieve their symptoms (see table below). > However, once a person remains on thyroid hormone for a number of > years, there is a great tendency for their thyroid to become > progressively less functional and eventually stop producing any > functional hormones. > > > > " Starting a person on thyroid hormones could condemn them to taking > thyroid hormone for the rest of their life, and this is something I > am very reluctant to do. > > > > " So my initial strategy is to start patients on selenium and iodine > to provide the raw materials for their thyroid gland to work better. " > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Hi Joan, I found this at the very beginning of this group (post #3) by Zoe, the groups originator. She got it from Dr Mercola's website. Maybe someone has a link. I used to get his electronic newletter which is very informative, but easily get swamped with reading material. ~ > > > > While browsing Mercola's site today, I found the following comments > on how he treats newly diagnosed hypothyroid patients. I found it > quite interesting to see that his first treatment step involves > starting patients on iodine rather than thyroid hormones. Zoe > > > > " My typical approach is to avoid the use of all thyroid hormones in > newly diagnosed patients. It is quite easy to start someone on > thyroid hormones and relieve their symptoms (see table below). > However, once a person remains on thyroid hormone for a number of > years, there is a great tendency for their thyroid to become > progressively less functional and eventually stop producing any > functional hormones. > > > > " Starting a person on thyroid hormones could condemn them to taking > thyroid hormone for the rest of their life, and this is something I > am very reluctant to do. > > > > " So my initial strategy is to start patients on selenium and iodine > to provide the raw materials for their thyroid gland to work better. " > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 The site is www.mercola.com and there is great information there. My doc does the same. Starts people out on iodine to see if it will kick start the thyroid before adding armour. Re: [thyroid] iodine Hi Joan, I found this at the very beginning of this group (post #3) by Zoe, the groups originator. She got it from Dr Mercola's website. Maybe someone has a link. I used to get his electronic newletter which is very informative, but easily get swamped with reading material. ~ > > > > While browsing Mercola's site today, I found the following comments > on how he treats newly diagnosed hypothyroid patients. I found it > quite interesting to see that his first treatment step involves > starting patients on iodine rather than thyroid hormones. Zoe > > > > " My typical approach is to avoid the use of all thyroid hormones in > newly diagnosed patients. It is quite easy to start someone on > thyroid hormones and relieve their symptoms (see table below). > However, once a person remains on thyroid hormone for a number of > years, there is a great tendency for their thyroid to become > progressively less functional and eventually stop producing any > functional hormones. > > > > " Starting a person on thyroid hormones could condemn them to taking > thyroid hormone for the rest of their life, and this is something I > am very reluctant to do. > > > > " So my initial strategy is to start patients on selenium and iodine > to provide the raw materials for their thyroid gland to work better. " > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Hi I have bottles of 180 tablets for 45.00 including shipping. Let me know if you would like some Joan B <clb13135@...> wrote: I would like to know about Iodoral suppliers too. I ordered some before, but I always like to compare prices. BGod Bless America!One nation under God Re: Re: [thyroid] iodine Hi I understand you are going on the Iodoral for the first time. Is that correct? If so and you need a supplier for your Iodoral I could send some let me know one way or another Joan I hope this e-mail is'nt out of place.claudia <claudia_homer > wrote: Oh Gee, now they tell me, lol. I wish I knew all this before. Can't wait till payday to order my first iodine. Better late than never, I guess. ~ >> While browsing Mercola's site today, I found the following comments on how he treats newly diagnosed hypothyroid patients. I found it quite interesting to see that his first treatment step involves starting patients on iodine rather than thyroid hormones. Zoe> > "My typical approach is to avoid the use of all thyroid hormones in newly diagnosed patients. It is quite easy to start someone on thyroid hormones and relieve their symptoms (see table below). However, once a person remains on thyroid hormone for a number of years, there is a great tendency for their thyroid to become progressively less functional and eventually stop producing any functional hormones.> > "Starting a person on thyroid hormones could condemn them to taking thyroid hormone for the rest of their life, and this is something I am very reluctant to do.> > "So my initial strategy is to start patients on selenium and iodine to provide the raw materials for their thyroid gland to work better."> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1196 - Release Date: 12/25/2007 12:18 PM Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 www.breastcancerchoices.org has them for 37.95 and less $$ in quantity. I just got 5 bottles and Dr. Brownstein's Iodone book. >>>I have bottles of 180 tablets for 45.00 including shipping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 No she is not. She was quoting from Dr. Mercola's website. Re: Re: [thyroid] iodine Hi Zoea. From what you said are you a Doctor?To the group, has anyone had their 24 hour urine test done by the new lab? I'm just sending mine in tomorrow I was very disappointed when there was only 1 tube to send back. I'll just have to wait and see how they work it. Joan >> While browsing Mercola's site today, I found the following comments on how he treats newly diagnosed hypothyroid patients. I found it quite interesting to see that his first treatment step involves starting patients on iodine rather than thyroid hormones. Zoe> > "My typical approach is to avoid the use of all thyroid hormones in newly diagnosed patients. It is quite easy to start someone on thyroid hormones and relieve their symptoms (see table below). However, once a person remains on thyroid hormone for a number of years, there is a great tendency for their thyroid to become progressively less functional and eventually stop producing any functional hormones.> > "Starting a person on thyroid hormones could condemn them to taking thyroid hormone for the rest of their life, and this is something I am very reluctant to do.> > "So my initial strategy is to start patients on selenium and iodine to provide the raw materials for their thyroid gland to work better."> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Hi. I'm new to the list. I am impressed with the knowledge on this forum and would appreciate suggestions any of you may have. I have nodules on my thyroid (one is visible) and about a month ago doctors told me they are sure I have thyroid cancer. Not a true diagnosis as I refused a biopsy. The ENT surgeon told me it didn't matter as he'd seen plenty and was sure it is cancer and urged me to let him remove my thyroid. Because I lost 20 lbs practically overnight, I was also diagnosed as hyperthyroid. I decided to see a natural med doctor who believes whether hyper- or hypothyroid it is a matter of the thyroid not getting enough iodine. He had me do a week- long iodine patch test and morning temp. The iodine patch disappered each day in 4 to 8 hours depending on where I placed it and my morning temp ranged from 93 to 96 degrees. For the past week I have been taking 12.5 mg iodoral (5 mg iodine/7.5 mg iodide). The natural med doctor says if the nodules are not cancerous they should diminish in size and/or go away in 3 to 4 months time. Currently, however, the one nodule seems to be enlarging and hardening and I'm wondering if I should talk to him about increasing the dosage of iodoral OR do I dare increase it on my own. I realize it has only been a week that I've been taking the iodoral, I suppose I'm just nervous. Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 The Iodine doctors would put you on 50 - 100 mgs of Iodoral if it was cancer. You need to get the high doses bombarding the cells to push out the toxins. I would bet you are filled with bromide along with being deficient. A couple of questions: What is your diet like? Do you eat a lot of refined and processed foods or whole foods? This is VERY important. Do you drink tap water that is from a city system? Do you use fluoridated toothpaste? What other supporting nutrients (vitamins) are you taking? I have to run out for a while but will check back to see what your response is. In the mean time check out my website www.naturalthyroidchoices.com . I am an 8 year thyca survivor who had her thyroid removed and 3 RAI's that didn't work. It is through nutrition, supplements, hormone balancing and Iodine that I brought my levels down naturally. Re: [thyroid] iodine > Hi. > I'm new to the list. I am impressed with the knowledge on this forum > and would appreciate suggestions any of you may have. > > I have nodules on my thyroid (one is visible) and about a month ago > doctors told me they are sure I have thyroid cancer. Not a true > diagnosis as I refused a biopsy. The ENT surgeon told me it didn't > matter as he'd seen plenty and was sure it is cancer and urged me to > let him remove my thyroid. Because I lost 20 lbs practically > overnight, I was also diagnosed as hyperthyroid. I decided to see a > natural med doctor who believes whether hyper- or hypothyroid it is a > matter of the thyroid not getting enough iodine. He had me do a week- > long iodine patch test and morning temp. The iodine patch > disappered each day in 4 to 8 hours depending on where I placed it > and my morning temp ranged from 93 to 96 degrees. For the past week > I have been taking 12.5 mg iodoral (5 mg iodine/7.5 mg iodide). The > natural med doctor says if the nodules are not cancerous they should > diminish in size and/or go away in 3 to 4 months time. Currently, > however, the one nodule seems to be enlarging and hardening and I'm > wondering if I should talk to him about increasing the dosage of > iodoral OR do I dare increase it on my own. I realize it has only > been a week that I've been taking the iodoral, I suppose I'm just > nervous. > > Lori > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 The Iodine doctors would put you on 50 - 100 mgs of Iodoral if it was cancer. You need to get the high doses bombarding the cells to push out the toxins. I would bet you are filled with bromide along with being deficient. Oh , thank you for answering. Do I dare just up this myself ? my natural med dr is out of reach till after 1st wk of 2008. A couple of questions: What is your diet like? Do you eat a lot of refined and processed foods or whole foods? This is VERY important. After hearing I may have cancer I began trying to implement the Budwig Protocol. Prior to that I admit I would regularly have chips and nacho cheese as a meal. Just recently - like this week - probably from a link on this list - heard about how some foods inhibit the absorption of iodine so am now in the process of cutting those out of my diet as well. Do you drink tap water that is from a city system? country well water with a water softener. Do you use fluoridated toothpaste? Yes. off and on I'm trying to use baking soda but it is very drying to my lips. I've ordered some non-fluoride toothpaste. What other supporting nutrients (vitamins) are you taking? I've taken mega amounts of vitamins for a few years but have stopped as vitamins and supplements are not compatible with the Budwig diet. I am taking the probiotics prescribed by the natural med dr. I have to run out for a while but will check back to see what your response is. In the mean time check out my website www.naturalthyroidchoices.com . I am an 8 year thyca survivor who had her thyroid removed and 3 RAI's that didn't work. It is through nutrition, supplements, hormone balancing and Iodine that I brought my levels down naturally. thanks again . I will check your website... Lori > > The Iodine doctors would put you on 50 - 100 mgs of Iodoral if it was > cancer. You need to get the high doses bombarding the cells to push out the > toxins. I would bet you are filled with bromide along with being deficient. > > A couple of questions: > > What is your diet like? Do you eat a lot of refined and processed foods or > whole foods? This is VERY important. > > Do you drink tap water that is from a city system? > > Do you use fluoridated toothpaste? > > What other supporting nutrients (vitamins) are you taking? > > I have to run out for a while but will check back to see what your response > is. In the mean time check out my website www.naturalthyroidchoices.com . > I am an 8 year thyca survivor who had her thyroid removed and 3 RAI's that > didn't work. It is through nutrition, supplements, hormone balancing and > Iodine that I brought my levels down naturally. > > > Re: [thyroid] iodine > > > > Hi. > > I'm new to the list. I am impressed with the knowledge on this forum > > and would appreciate suggestions any of you may have. > > > > I have nodules on my thyroid (one is visible) and about a month ago > > doctors told me they are sure I have thyroid cancer. Not a true > > diagnosis as I refused a biopsy. The ENT surgeon told me it didn't > > matter as he'd seen plenty and was sure it is cancer and urged me to > > let him remove my thyroid. Because I lost 20 lbs practically > > overnight, I was also diagnosed as hyperthyroid. I decided to see a > > natural med doctor who believes whether hyper- or hypothyroid it is a > > matter of the thyroid not getting enough iodine. He had me do a week- > > long iodine patch test and morning temp. The iodine patch > > disappered each day in 4 to 8 hours depending on where I placed it > > and my morning temp ranged from 93 to 96 degrees. For the past week > > I have been taking 12.5 mg iodoral (5 mg iodine/7.5 mg iodide). The > > natural med doctor says if the nodules are not cancerous they should > > diminish in size and/or go away in 3 to 4 months time. Currently, > > however, the one nodule seems to be enlarging and hardening and I'm > > wondering if I should talk to him about increasing the dosage of > > iodoral OR do I dare increase it on my own. I realize it has only > > been a week that I've been taking the iodoral, I suppose I'm just > > nervous. > > > > Lori > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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