Comments by Derry MD, PhD - Iodine applied on skin

January 23, 2006

Here are some comments by Dr. Derry, MD, PhD (Biochemistry), author of the book Breast Cancer and Iodine (2001). Excerpted from: http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl2a.htmNyiri and Jannetti also mentioned iodine applied on the skin can beused to shrink swelling of the thyroid gland (goiters). So even smallamounts of iodine absorbed through the skin can have good effects onbody organs. From my own clinical experience, repeated application of iodine(Lugolís) to the skin appears to cause regeneration of the skin fromthe bottom up (Quiescent, stable or stem cell) (3) eventuallysloughing the old version of the skin off like a snake molting. Ifthere was a pre-cancerous lesion on the old skin, it is replaced withnew skin minus the lesion. There does not seem to be any skin lesions which are not helped orcured by this procedure. In some cases I found clinically obvious lowthyroid conditions also needed to be treated to be more effective.Minor lacerations and healing of surgical wounds respond well. If skinregeneration is from the bottom, then there is little or no scarformation. My parents' generation tended to put tincture of iodine onto a freshwound to prevent infection. This turns out to be helpful but not thebest way to use it. Besides it stung badly when applied. It is muchmore effective (and doesn't hurt) to apply iodine repeatedly after ascab has been formed. The iodine put onto the scab helps to organize total repair of thetissue. It is implied a similar approach could be taken to burns ofall depths but at the same time the physiology of burns suggest thereis an acute lack of thyroid hormone. (3) All pre-malignant lesions and many other oddities of the skin appearto respond to this regeneration process triggered by topical iodine. Ihave mentioned previously a patient with a biopsy-proven breast cancerlesion (she refused surgery because of previous cancer treatment) thatwas strongly fixed to the skin responding well to topical iodine andended up being a dimple on the breast three year later. (6) It is my belief a water solution of iodine (like Lugol's) is animportant therapeutic agent for skin. Because of its effectiveness andthe results, perhaps many skin diseases are related to local tissueareas of relative iodine deficiency.Perhaps the most graphic lesions are the "keloid" (worm) incisionscars formed after surgical procedures. If the iodine intake andtissue levels are adequate, such as in Japan, keloid formation doesn'thappen (7). In addition, iodine's ability to trigger natural cell death(apoptosis) (5) makes it effective against all pre-cancerous skinlesions and likely many cancerous lesions. The local site is replacedwith normal skin. However, even lesser doses of topical iodine seem toreverse the ominous appearance of skin lesions. Because my older brother died of metastatic melanoma, my chances ofgetting a malignant melanoma are increased by 400 times. (8-9) Havinggrown up in Venezuela near the equator my sun exposure at a young agewas far above normal. So all suspicious lesions I notice are returnedto normal with topical Lugol's. One of the most famous of documentations of iodine skin therapy to afamous person occurred in the American Civil War. "On September 29, 1862, Colonel B. Gordon held the center ofGeneral Lee's army at the battle of Antietam, or Sharpsburg. The firstvolley from the northern lines sent a ball through the calf ofGordon's right leg; soon after, another went through the muscles ofhis thigh; a third pierced his left arm, tearing asunder the tendonsand mangling the flesh; a forth ripped through his shoulder leaving awad of clothing embedded in its track. Still, no bones were broken; but, while Gordon lingered in the firingline, "with", as he says himself, "but little of my usual strength", afifth ball struck him squarely in the face. Dr. Weatherly of the 6th Alabama Regiment, in charge of medicalarrangements, had the Colonel removed to a base hospital, andprescribed tincture of iodine to be painted on the wounds three orfour times a day. The case was unpromising. Gordon's eyelids were greatly swollen; one eye was completely closed,the other almost so; his jaw was immovably clenched, and, to makematters worse, erysipelas (staphylococcus infection of skin) had setin on the left arm. Mrs. Gordon, his wife, who nursed him - her name was Fanny, and shewas then a beautiful girl of 25 - put a liberal interpretation on herinstructions and painted the wounds, not three or four times a day,but, as Gordon himself says: "I think three to four hundred time a day." Fanny's diligence and devotion were rewarded. Her husband survived,outlived the war, became the Governor of Georgia, a General, andCommander-in-Chief of the United Confederate Veterans. He died in1904." (10) I think Fanny knew iodine applied often was a more effective way todeliver iodine to the body especially applied on multiple sites.Likely Gordon's iodine blood levels and tissue levels rose throughouthis body. As iodine is by far the best antibiotic, antiviral and antiseptic ofall time, the colonel's body defenses were able to gain control of theinfections. At the same time local repeated application to the woundsites caused the skin to grow up from its bottom where all the cells(Stem cells) that make normal skin are residing. Likely this minimized or eliminated scar formation. Thus Nyiriís andJannettiís studies confirm why Fannyís method of treatment worked sobrilliantly. Some of our recent serious skin diseases such a"flesh-eating disease" should respond quickly to topical iodinetreatment practiced by Fanny. Or, for another example, iodine put onto a mosquito bite would killall bacteria and viruses at the site of the bite within 10-30 secondsmaking it impossible for any virus or bacteria to multiply and getstarted --such as in West Nile Fever. Naturally, this applies to tic bites (Lyme's disease) as well. For many decades in the 1800s people carried around little bottles ofiodine around their necks to use on all occasions. People in mosquitoand tic infested areas should think of doing this again. (8) In addition, it has been forgotten vaporized iodine rapidly kills airborne viruses such as polio and SARS viruses.. Used extensively in theforties and fifties it may be of use to explore this approach again. There has been no significant clinical research on iodine therapy oruse for 40 years. (11-15) I feel it is important for research to bedirected at this potentially significant area of medical treatment. Itis worth noting the greatest part of significant research with iodinewas done before the Medline search facilities were available.Of course, since large doses of iodine are tolerated intravenouslywithout side effects, it has yet to be explored what help this mayhave for many cancer patients or even other diseases. I hope these concepts help. -- References:1. Nyiri,W., Jannitti,M.. About the fate of free iodine uponapplication to the unbroken animal skin. J Pharmacol Exp Ther45:85-107, 1932. 2. Biskind,M.S. Penetration through tissue of iodine in differentsolvents. Proc Soc Exp Biol Med 30:35-37, 1932. 3. Robbins pathologic basis of disease. Eds Cotran,R.S., Kumar,V.,,T. Sixth Edition W.B. Saunders Company, Philadelphia. 1999.Page 91. and page 434. 4. Gershenfeld,L. Iodine Editor Reddish.G.F. Antiseptics,disinfectants fungicides and chemical and physical sterilization,Philadelphia:Lea & FebigerHa, 1957. pages 223 277. 5. Derry,D.M. One hour lecture: Iodine, thyroid hormone and breastcancer. How to prevent and survive breast cancer. World Breast CancerConference, BC June 4-6, 2002.. 6. Derry, DM. Breast cancer and iodine How to prevent and survive it.Trafford Publishing , Canada. 2001 page 89. 7. Updegraff,H.L. Reconstructive surgery and old facial burns. JAMA101:1138-1140, 1933. page 1139 8. WH. The nature of cancer: morphogenesis and progressive (self) disorganization in neoplastic development and progression. ActaOncol 1995; 34:3-21. 9. WH. Tumour progression and the nature of cancer. J Cancer1991; 64:631-644. 10. ,F.C.. Iodine in medicine and pharmacy since itsdiscovery--1811-1961. Proc R Soc Med 54:831-836, 1961. 11. Wayne,E.J,. Koutras,D.A.. ,W.D.. Clinical aspects ofiodine metabolism, Philadelphia:F.A. Company, 1964. 12. Braverman,L.E.. Iodine and the thyroid: 33 years of study. Thyroid4 (3):351-356, 1994. 13. Vagenakis,A.G.. Effects of iodides: clinical studies. Thyroid 1(1):59-63, 1990. 14. ,T., Meyers,B., Witorsch,R.J., Pino,S., Chipkin,S.,Ingbar,S.H. Braverman, L.E.. The effect of small increases in dietaryiodine on thyroid function in euthyroid subjects. Metabolism.37:121-124, 1988. 15. Zaichick,V. Zaichick.S.. Normal human intrathyroidal iodine.Science of the Total Environment 206 (1):39-56, 1997. be?

July 5, 2009

-Very interesting about the iodine painting. i am thyroidless due to papillary

cancer and take iodoral got the resilts of my iodine loading test about 10 days

ago and it was 62%

My question is about the skin in general. about 5 yrs ago i had an early stage

melanoma removed from my adomen, since then i go for skin checks every 3 months.

i have had MANY lesions(moles,frecles,etc) removed. they mostly come back from

the lab as " displaxtic " . they never come cack as normal tissue. How would i use

the topical iodine. i literally have freckles,moles over every inch of my body.

would i just paint suspect ones or just slather it on all over, or now that i

have startd iodoral,should i give it a chance to replenish the iodine deficiency

in my body and then maybe the lesions will become 'healthy " tissue? I find this

very interesting in terms of skin cancers,any info. or suggestions u have would

be appreciated.Interestingly i am a " keloid " healer, when i have had to have any

kind of surgery.

Thank you,

-- In iodine , " Zoe & " <ZOEA@...> wrote:

>

> Here are some comments by Dr. Derry, MD, PhD (Biochemistry), author of

the book Breast Cancer and Iodine (2001). Excerpted from:

http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl2a.htm

>

> Nyiri and Jannetti also mentioned iodine applied on the skin can be

> used to shrink swelling of the thyroid gland (goiters). So even small

> amounts of iodine absorbed through the skin can have good effects on

> body organs.

>

> From my own clinical experience, repeated application of iodine

> (Lugolís) to the skin appears to cause regeneration of the skin from

> the bottom up (Quiescent, stable or stem cell) (3) eventually

> sloughing the old version of the skin off like a snake molting. If

> there was a pre-cancerous lesion on the old skin, it is replaced with

> new skin minus the lesion.

>

> There does not seem to be any skin lesions which are not helped or

> cured by this procedure. In some cases I found clinically obvious low

> thyroid conditions also needed to be treated to be more effective.

> Minor lacerations and healing of surgical wounds respond well. If skin

> regeneration is from the bottom, then there is little or no scar

> formation.

>

> My parents' generation tended to put tincture of iodine onto a fresh

> wound to prevent infection. This turns out to be helpful but not the

> best way to use it. Besides it stung badly when applied. It is much

> more effective (and doesn't hurt) to apply iodine repeatedly after a

> scab has been formed.

>

> The iodine put onto the scab helps to organize total repair of the

> tissue. It is implied a similar approach could be taken to burns of

> all depths but at the same time the physiology of burns suggest there

> is an acute lack of thyroid hormone. (3)

>

> All pre-malignant lesions and many other oddities of the skin appear

> to respond to this regeneration process triggered by topical iodine. I

> have mentioned previously a patient with a biopsy-proven breast cancer

> lesion (she refused surgery because of previous cancer treatment) that

> was strongly fixed to the skin responding well to topical iodine and

> ended up being a dimple on the breast three year later. (6)

>

> It is my belief a water solution of iodine (like Lugol's) is an

> important therapeutic agent for skin. Because of its effectiveness and

> the results, perhaps many skin diseases are related to local tissue

> areas of relative iodine deficiency.

>

> Perhaps the most graphic lesions are the " keloid " (worm) incision

> scars formed after surgical procedures. If the iodine intake and

> tissue levels are adequate, such as in Japan, keloid formation doesn't

> happen (7).

>

> In addition, iodine's ability to trigger natural cell death

> (apoptosis) (5) makes it effective against all pre-cancerous skin

> lesions and likely many cancerous lesions. The local site is replaced

> with normal skin. However, even lesser doses of topical iodine seem to

> reverse the ominous appearance of skin lesions.

>

> Because my older brother died of metastatic melanoma, my chances of

> getting a malignant melanoma are increased by 400 times. (8-9) Having

> grown up in Venezuela near the equator my sun exposure at a young age

> was far above normal. So all suspicious lesions I notice are returned

> to normal with topical Lugol's.

>

> One of the most famous of documentations of iodine skin therapy to a

> famous person occurred in the American Civil War.

>

> " On September 29, 1862, Colonel B. Gordon held the center of

> General Lee's army at the battle of Antietam, or Sharpsburg. The first

> volley from the northern lines sent a ball through the calf of

> Gordon's right leg; soon after, another went through the muscles of

> his thigh; a third pierced his left arm, tearing asunder the tendons

> and mangling the flesh; a forth ripped through his shoulder leaving a

> wad of clothing embedded in its track.

>

> Still, no bones were broken; but, while Gordon lingered in the firing

> line, " with " , as he says himself, " but little of my usual strength " , a

> fifth ball struck him squarely in the face.

>

> Dr. Weatherly of the 6th Alabama Regiment, in charge of medical

> arrangements, had the Colonel removed to a base hospital, and

> prescribed tincture of iodine to be painted on the wounds three or

> four times a day. The case was unpromising.

>

> Gordon's eyelids were greatly swollen; one eye was completely closed,

> the other almost so; his jaw was immovably clenched, and, to make

> matters worse, erysipelas (staphylococcus infection of skin) had set

> in on the left arm.

>

> Mrs. Gordon, his wife, who nursed him - her name was Fanny, and she

> was then a beautiful girl of 25 - put a liberal interpretation on her

> instructions and painted the wounds, not three or four times a day,

> but, as Gordon himself says: " I think three to four hundred time a day. "

>

> Fanny's diligence and devotion were rewarded. Her husband survived,

> outlived the war, became the Governor of Georgia, a General, and

> Commander-in-Chief of the United Confederate Veterans. He died in

> 1904. " (10)

>

> I think Fanny knew iodine applied often was a more effective way to

> deliver iodine to the body especially applied on multiple sites.

> Likely Gordon's iodine blood levels and tissue levels rose throughout

> his body.

>

> As iodine is by far the best antibiotic, antiviral and antiseptic of

> all time, the colonel's body defenses were able to gain control of the

> infections. At the same time local repeated application to the wound

> sites caused the skin to grow up from its bottom where all the cells

> (Stem cells) that make normal skin are residing.

>

> Likely this minimized or eliminated scar formation. Thus Nyiriís and

> Jannettiís studies confirm why Fannyís method of treatment worked so

> brilliantly. Some of our recent serious skin diseases such a

> " flesh-eating disease " should respond quickly to topical iodine

> treatment practiced by Fanny.

>

> Or, for another example, iodine put onto a mosquito bite would kill

> all bacteria and viruses at the site of the bite within 10-30 seconds

> making it impossible for any virus or bacteria to multiply and get

> started --such as in West Nile Fever.

>

> Naturally, this applies to tic bites (Lyme's disease) as well.

>

> For many decades in the 1800s people carried around little bottles of

> iodine around their necks to use on all occasions. People in mosquito

> and tic infested areas should think of doing this again. (8)

>

> In addition, it has been forgotten vaporized iodine rapidly kills air

> borne viruses such as polio and SARS viruses.. Used extensively in the

> forties and fifties it may be of use to explore this approach again.

>

> There has been no significant clinical research on iodine therapy or

> use for 40 years. (11-15) I feel it is important for research to be

> directed at this potentially significant area of medical treatment. It

> is worth noting the greatest part of significant research with iodine

> was done before the Medline search facilities were available.

>

> Of course, since large doses of iodine are tolerated intravenously

> without side effects, it has yet to be explored what help this may

> have for many cancer patients or even other diseases.

>

> I hope these concepts help.

>

> -- References:

>

> 1. Nyiri,W., Jannitti,M.. About the fate of free iodine upon

> application to the unbroken animal skin. J Pharmacol Exp Ther

> 45:85-107, 1932.

>

> 2. Biskind,M.S. Penetration through tissue of iodine in different

> solvents. Proc Soc Exp Biol Med 30:35-37, 1932.

>

> 3. Robbins pathologic basis of disease. Eds Cotran,R.S., Kumar,V.,

> ,T. Sixth Edition W.B. Saunders Company, Philadelphia. 1999.

> Page 91. and page 434.

>

> 4. Gershenfeld,L. Iodine Editor Reddish.G.F. Antiseptics,

> disinfectants fungicides and chemical and physical sterilization,

> Philadelphia:Lea & FebigerHa, 1957. pages 223 277.

>

> 5. Derry,D.M. One hour lecture: Iodine, thyroid hormone and breast

> cancer. How to prevent and survive breast cancer. World Breast Cancer

> Conference, BC June 4-6, 2002..

>

> 6. Derry, DM. Breast cancer and iodine How to prevent and survive it.

> Trafford Publishing , Canada. 2001 page 89.

>

> 7. Updegraff,H.L. Reconstructive surgery and old facial burns. JAMA

> 101:1138-1140, 1933. page 1139

>

> 8. WH. The nature of cancer: morphogenesis and progressive (self

> ) disorganization in neoplastic development and progression. Acta

> Oncol 1995; 34:3-21.

>

> 9. WH. Tumour progression and the nature of cancer. J Cancer

> 1991; 64:631-644.

>

> 10. ,F.C.. Iodine in medicine and pharmacy since its

> discovery--1811-1961. Proc R Soc Med 54:831-836, 1961.

>

> 11. Wayne,E.J,. Koutras,D.A.. ,W.D.. Clinical aspects of

> iodine metabolism, Philadelphia:F.A. Company, 1964.

>

> 12. Braverman,L.E.. Iodine and the thyroid: 33 years of study. Thyroid

> 4 (3):351-356, 1994.

>

> 13. Vagenakis,A.G.. Effects of iodides: clinical studies. Thyroid 1

> (1):59-63, 1990.

>

> 14. ,T., Meyers,B., Witorsch,R.J., Pino,S., Chipkin,S.,

> Ingbar,S.H. Braverman, L.E.. The effect of small increases in dietary

> iodine on thyroid function in euthyroid subjects. Metabolism.

> 37:121-124, 1988.

>

> 15. Zaichick,V. Zaichick.S.. Normal human intrathyroidal iodine.

> Science of the Total Environment 206 (1):39-56, 1997.

> be?

>

July 5, 2009

You can paint it on with a paint brush. Some have said they scratch the surface of the mole to allow the iodine to penetrate. I, personally have had some bigger marks on my body get lighter and smaller since taking Iodoral. I too am a papillary thyroid cancer survivor of 9 years.

Steph

Re: Comments by Derry MD, PhD - Iodine applied on skin

-Very interesting about the iodine painting. i am thyroidless due to papillary cancer and take iodoral got the resilts of my iodine loading test about 10 days ago and it was 62%My question is about the skin in general. about 5 yrs ago i had an early stage melanoma removed from my adomen, since then i go for skin checks every 3 months. i have had MANY lesions(moles,frecles,etc) removed. they mostly come back from the lab as "displaxtic". they never come cack as normal tissue. How would i use the topical iodine. i literally have freckles,moles over every inch of my body. would i just paint suspect ones or just slather it on all over, or now that i have startd iodoral,should i give it a chance to replenish the iodine deficiency in my body and then maybe the lesions will become 'healthy" tissue? I find this very interesting in terms of skin cancers,any info. or suggestions u have would be appreciated.Interestingly i am a "keloid" healer, when i have had to have any kind of surgery.Thank you,-- In iodine , "Zoe & " <ZOEA@...> wrote:>> Here are some comments by Dr. Derry, MD, PhD (Biochemistry), author of the book Breast Cancer and Iodine (2001). Excerpted from: http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl2a.htm> > > > Nyiri and Jannetti also mentioned iodine applied on the skin can be> used to shrink swelling of the thyroid gland (goiters). So even small> amounts of iodine absorbed through the skin can have good effects on> body organs. > > From my own clinical experience, repeated application of iodine> (Lugolís) to the skin appears to cause regeneration of the skin from> the bottom up (Quiescent, stable or stem cell) (3) eventually> sloughing the old version of the skin off like a snake molting. If> there was a pre-cancerous lesion on the old skin, it is replaced with> new skin minus the lesion. > > There does not seem to be any skin lesions which are not helped or> cured by this procedure. In some cases I found clinically obvious low> thyroid conditions also needed to be treated to be more effective.> Minor lacerations and healing of surgical wounds respond well. If skin> regeneration is from the bottom, then there is little or no scar> formation. > > My parents' generation tended to put tincture of iodine onto a fresh> wound to prevent infection. This turns out to be helpful but not the> best way to use it. Besides it stung badly when applied. It is much> more effective (and doesn't hurt) to apply iodine repeatedly after a> scab has been formed. > > The iodine put onto the scab helps to organize total repair of the> tissue. It is implied a similar approach could be taken to burns of> all depths but at the same time the physiology of burns suggest there> is an acute lack of thyroid hormone. (3) > > All pre-malignant lesions and many other oddities of the skin appear> to respond to this regeneration process triggered by topical iodine. I> have mentioned previously a patient with a biopsy-proven breast cancer> lesion (she refused surgery because of previous cancer treatment) that> was strongly fixed to the skin responding well to topical iodine and> ended up being a dimple on the breast three year later. (6) > > It is my belief a water solution of iodine (like Lugol's) is an> important therapeutic agent for skin. Because of its effectiveness and> the results, perhaps many skin diseases are related to local tissue> areas of relative iodine deficiency.> > Perhaps the most graphic lesions are the "keloid" (worm) incision> scars formed after surgical procedures. If the iodine intake and> tissue levels are adequate, such as in Japan, keloid formation doesn't> happen (7). > > In addition, iodine's ability to trigger natural cell death> (apoptosis) (5) makes it effective against all pre-cancerous skin> lesions and likely many cancerous lesions. The local site is replaced> with normal skin. However, even lesser doses of topical iodine seem to> reverse the ominous appearance of skin lesions. > > Because my older brother died of metastatic melanoma, my chances of> getting a malignant melanoma are increased by 400 times. (8-9) Having> grown up in Venezuela near the equator my sun exposure at a young age> was far above normal. So all suspicious lesions I notice are returned> to normal with topical Lugol's. > > One of the most famous of documentations of iodine skin therapy to a> famous person occurred in the American Civil War. > > "On September 29, 1862, Colonel B. Gordon held the center of> General Lee's army at the battle of Antietam, or Sharpsburg. The first> volley from the northern lines sent a ball through the calf of> Gordon's right leg; soon after, another went through the muscles of> his thigh; a third pierced his left arm, tearing asunder the tendons> and mangling the flesh; a forth ripped through his shoulder leaving a> wad of clothing embedded in its track. > > Still, no bones were broken; but, while Gordon lingered in the firing> line, "with", as he says himself, "but little of my usual strength", a> fifth ball struck him squarely in the face. > > Dr. Weatherly of the 6th Alabama Regiment, in charge of medical> arrangements, had the Colonel removed to a base hospital, and> prescribed tincture of iodine to be painted on the wounds three or> four times a day. The case was unpromising. > > Gordon's eyelids were greatly swollen; one eye was completely closed,> the other almost so; his jaw was immovably clenched, and, to make> matters worse, erysipelas (staphylococcus infection of skin) had set> in on the left arm. > > Mrs. Gordon, his wife, who nursed him - her name was Fanny, and she> was then a beautiful girl of 25 - put a liberal interpretation on her> instructions and painted the wounds, not three or four times a day,> but, as Gordon himself says: "I think three to four hundred time a day." > > Fanny's diligence and devotion were rewarded. Her husband survived,> outlived the war, became the Governor of Georgia, a General, and> Commander-in-Chief of the United Confederate Veterans. He died in> 1904." (10) > > I think Fanny knew iodine applied often was a more effective way to> deliver iodine to the body especially applied on multiple sites.> Likely Gordon's iodine blood levels and tissue levels rose throughout> his body. > > As iodine is by far the best antibiotic, antiviral and antiseptic of> all time, the colonel's body defenses were able to gain control of the> infections. At the same time local repeated application to the wound> sites caused the skin to grow up from its bottom where all the cells> (Stem cells) that make normal skin are residing. > > Likely this minimized or eliminated scar formation. Thus Nyiriís and> Jannettiís studies confirm why Fannyís method of treatment worked so> brilliantly. Some of our recent serious skin diseases such a> "flesh-eating disease" should respond quickly to topical iodine> treatment practiced by Fanny. > > Or, for another example, iodine put onto a mosquito bite would kill> all bacteria and viruses at the site of the bite within 10-30 seconds> making it impossible for any virus or bacteria to multiply and get> started --such as in West Nile Fever. > > Naturally, this applies to tic bites (Lyme's disease) as well. > > For many decades in the 1800s people carried around little bottles of> iodine around their necks to use on all occasions. People in mosquito> and tic infested areas should think of doing this again. (8) > > In addition, it has been forgotten vaporized iodine rapidly kills air> borne viruses such as polio and SARS viruses.. Used extensively in the> forties and fifties it may be of use to explore this approach again. > > There has been no significant clinical research on iodine therapy or> use for 40 years. (11-15) I feel it is important for research to be> directed at this potentially significant area of medical treatment. It> is worth noting the greatest part of significant research with iodine> was done before the Medline search facilities were available.> > Of course, since large doses of iodine are tolerated intravenously> without side effects, it has yet to be explored what help this may> have for many cancer patients or even other diseases. > > I hope these concepts help. > > > > -- References:> > 1. Nyiri,W., Jannitti,M.. About the fate of free iodine upon> application to the unbroken animal skin. J Pharmacol Exp Ther> 45:85-107, 1932. > > 2. Biskind,M.S. Penetration through tissue of iodine in different> solvents. Proc Soc Exp Biol Med 30:35-37, 1932. > > 3. Robbins pathologic basis of disease. Eds Cotran,R.S., Kumar,V.,> ,T. Sixth Edition W.B. Saunders Company, Philadelphia. 1999.> Page 91. and page 434. > > 4. Gershenfeld,L. Iodine Editor Reddish.G.F. Antiseptics,> disinfectants fungicides and chemical and physical sterilization,> Philadelphia:Lea & FebigerHa, 1957. pages 223 277. > > 5. Derry,D.M. One hour lecture: Iodine, thyroid hormone and breast> cancer. How to prevent and survive breast cancer. World Breast Cancer> Conference, BC June 4-6, 2002.. > > 6. Derry, DM. Breast cancer and iodine How to prevent and survive it.> Trafford Publishing , Canada. 2001 page 89. > > 7. Updegraff,H.L. Reconstructive surgery and old facial burns. JAMA> 101:1138-1140, 1933. page 1139 > > 8. WH. The nature of cancer: morphogenesis and progressive (self> ) disorganization in neoplastic development and progression. Acta> Oncol 1995; 34:3-21. > > 9. WH. Tumour progression and the nature of cancer. J Cancer> 1991; 64:631-644. > > 10. ,F.C.. Iodine in medicine and pharmacy since its> discovery--1811-1961. Proc R Soc Med 54:831-836, 1961. > > 11. Wayne,E.J,. Koutras,D.A.. ,W.D.. Clinical aspects of> iodine metabolism, Philadelphia:F.A. Company, 1964. > > 12. Braverman,L.E.. Iodine and the thyroid: 33 years of study. Thyroid> 4 (3):351-356, 1994. > > 13. Vagenakis,A.G.. Effects of iodides: clinical studies. Thyroid 1> (1):59-63, 1990. > > 14. ,T., Meyers,B., Witorsch,R.J., Pino,S., Chipkin,S.,> Ingbar,S.H. Braverman, L.E.. The effect of small increases in dietary> iodine on thyroid function in euthyroid subjects. Metabolism.> 37:121-124, 1988. > > 15. Zaichick,V. Zaichick.S.. Normal human intrathyroidal iodine.> Science of the Total Environment 206 (1):39-56, 1997. > be?>

July 5, 2009

--I have them over 1005 of my body,should i paint it on all over. Or let iodoral

star to work. i am only on 1 pill a day. started about 10 days ago, when would

u suggest i increase the iodaral. i am trying to do things slowly.over the last

6 wks (long story) i had added alot of things including cortef very quickly and

then changed things around w/out giving my body time to adjust to anything. i

chart my temps. and they were all over the place. the last 4 days things have

finally calmed down-including temps, blood pressure, pulse.so, i don't want to

rush things. one of the biggest problems i was having was severe sweating and

dizziness. this left me pretty much wrapped in towels totally incoherent. i

havent sweated in this way for 4 days (the same amount of time my body temos

have stabilized(it is so interesting) i did sweat yesterday, but i was gardening

so as far as i'm concerned it was a 'healthy' tyoe of sweating. before i got

sick w/ hashi's and cancer i NEVER ever sweated. i could work out for 2 hrs. and

not shed a drop.so, i'm thinking part of my sweating issues have been my body

trying to detox? I did have a total thyroidectomy but did not do RAI treatment.

what kind of iodine would be best to " paint on the body, and if i'm doing over a

large surface-should it be less concentrated?Or again because i have only been

on the 12.5 mg of iodoral should i just stick w/ that and maybe raise it and

worry about the painting at a later time? i'm also working on sluggish adrenals,

so i don't want to stress my body any more than it is already. i seem to be very

sensitive so, i like to take things slow. it took me over 20 yrs to get to this

point i can't expect it all happen overnight.

thanks,

michelle

- In iodine , " ladybugsandbees " <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

>

> You can paint it on with a paint brush. Some have said they scratch the

surface of the mole to allow the iodine to penetrate. I, personally have had

some bigger marks on my body get lighter and smaller since taking Iodoral. I

too am a papillary thyroid cancer survivor of 9 years.

>

> Steph

>

> Re: Comments by Derry MD, PhD - Iodine applied on

skin

>

> -Very interesting about the iodine painting. i am thyroidless due to

papillary cancer and take iodoral got the resilts of my iodine loading test

about 10 days ago and it was 62%

> My question is about the skin in general. about 5 yrs ago i had an early

stage melanoma removed from my adomen, since then i go for skin checks every 3

months. i have had MANY lesions(moles,frecles,etc) removed. they mostly come

back from the lab as " displaxtic " . they never come cack as normal tissue. How

would i use the topical iodine. i literally have freckles,moles over every inch

of my body. would i just paint suspect ones or just slather it on all over, or

now that i have startd iodoral,should i give it a chance to replenish the iodine

deficiency in my body and then maybe the lesions will become 'healthy " tissue? I

find this very interesting in terms of skin cancers,any info. or suggestions u

have would be appreciated.Interestingly i am a " keloid " healer, when i have had

to have any kind of surgery.

> Thank you,

>

> -- In iodine , " Zoe & " <ZOEA@> wrote:

> >

> > Here are some comments by Dr. Derry, MD, PhD (Biochemistry), author

of the book Breast Cancer and Iodine (2001). Excerpted from:

http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl2a.htm

> >

> > Nyiri and Jannetti also mentioned iodine applied on the skin can be

> > used to shrink swelling of the thyroid gland (goiters). So even small

> > amounts of iodine absorbed through the skin can have good effects on

> > body organs.

> >

> > From my own clinical experience, repeated application of iodine

> > (Lugolís) to the skin appears to cause regeneration of the skin from

> > the bottom up (Quiescent, stable or stem cell) (3) eventually

> > sloughing the old version of the skin off like a snake molting. If

> > there was a pre-cancerous lesion on the old skin, it is replaced with

> > new skin minus the lesion.

> >

> > There does not seem to be any skin lesions which are not helped or

> > cured by this procedure. In some cases I found clinically obvious low

> > thyroid conditions also needed to be treated to be more effective.

> > Minor lacerations and healing of surgical wounds respond well. If skin

> > regeneration is from the bottom, then there is little or no scar

> > formation.

> >

> > My parents' generation tended to put tincture of iodine onto a fresh

> > wound to prevent infection. This turns out to be helpful but not the

> > best way to use it. Besides it stung badly when applied. It is much

> > more effective (and doesn't hurt) to apply iodine repeatedly after a

> > scab has been formed.

> >

> > The iodine put onto the scab helps to organize total repair of the

> > tissue. It is implied a similar approach could be taken to burns of

> > all depths but at the same time the physiology of burns suggest there

> > is an acute lack of thyroid hormone. (3)

> >

> > All pre-malignant lesions and many other oddities of the skin appear

> > to respond to this regeneration process triggered by topical iodine. I

> > have mentioned previously a patient with a biopsy-proven breast cancer

> > lesion (she refused surgery because of previous cancer treatment) that

> > was strongly fixed to the skin responding well to topical iodine and

> > ended up being a dimple on the breast three year later. (6)

> >

> > It is my belief a water solution of iodine (like Lugol's) is an

> > important therapeutic agent for skin. Because of its effectiveness and

> > the results, perhaps many skin diseases are related to local tissue

> > areas of relative iodine deficiency.

> >

> > Perhaps the most graphic lesions are the " keloid " (worm) incision

> > scars formed after surgical procedures. If the iodine intake and

> > tissue levels are adequate, such as in Japan, keloid formation doesn't

> > happen (7).

> >

> > In addition, iodine's ability to trigger natural cell death

> > (apoptosis) (5) makes it effective against all pre-cancerous skin

> > lesions and likely many cancerous lesions. The local site is replaced

> > with normal skin. However, even lesser doses of topical iodine seem to

> > reverse the ominous appearance of skin lesions.

> >

> > Because my older brother died of metastatic melanoma, my chances of

> > getting a malignant melanoma are increased by 400 times. (8-9) Having

> > grown up in Venezuela near the equator my sun exposure at a young age

> > was far above normal. So all suspicious lesions I notice are returned

> > to normal with topical Lugol's.

> >

> > One of the most famous of documentations of iodine skin therapy to a

> > famous person occurred in the American Civil War.

> >

> > " On September 29, 1862, Colonel B. Gordon held the center of

> > General Lee's army at the battle of Antietam, or Sharpsburg. The first

> > volley from the northern lines sent a ball through the calf of

> > Gordon's right leg; soon after, another went through the muscles of

> > his thigh; a third pierced his left arm, tearing asunder the tendons

> > and mangling the flesh; a forth ripped through his shoulder leaving a

> > wad of clothing embedded in its track.

> >

> > Still, no bones were broken; but, while Gordon lingered in the firing

> > line, " with " , as he says himself, " but little of my usual strength " , a

> > fifth ball struck him squarely in the face.

> >

> > Dr. Weatherly of the 6th Alabama Regiment, in charge of medical

> > arrangements, had the Colonel removed to a base hospital, and

> > prescribed tincture of iodine to be painted on the wounds three or

> > four times a day. The case was unpromising.

> >

> > Gordon's eyelids were greatly swollen; one eye was completely closed,

> > the other almost so; his jaw was immovably clenched, and, to make

> > matters worse, erysipelas (staphylococcus infection of skin) had set

> > in on the left arm.

> >

> > Mrs. Gordon, his wife, who nursed him - her name was Fanny, and she

> > was then a beautiful girl of 25 - put a liberal interpretation on her

> > instructions and painted the wounds, not three or four times a day,

> > but, as Gordon himself says: " I think three to four hundred time a day. "

> >

> > Fanny's diligence and devotion were rewarded. Her husband survived,

> > outlived the war, became the Governor of Georgia, a General, and

> > Commander-in-Chief of the United Confederate Veterans. He died in

> > 1904. " (10)

> >

> > I think Fanny knew iodine applied often was a more effective way to

> > deliver iodine to the body especially applied on multiple sites.

> > Likely Gordon's iodine blood levels and tissue levels rose throughout

> > his body.

> >

> > As iodine is by far the best antibiotic, antiviral and antiseptic of

> > all time, the colonel's body defenses were able to gain control of the

> > infections. At the same time local repeated application to the wound

> > sites caused the skin to grow up from its bottom where all the cells

> > (Stem cells) that make normal skin are residing.

> >

> > Likely this minimized or eliminated scar formation. Thus Nyiriís and

> > Jannettiís studies confirm why Fannyís method of treatment worked so

> > brilliantly. Some of our recent serious skin diseases such a

> > " flesh-eating disease " should respond quickly to topical iodine

> > treatment practiced by Fanny.

> >

> > Or, for another example, iodine put onto a mosquito bite would kill

> > all bacteria and viruses at the site of the bite within 10-30 seconds

> > making it impossible for any virus or bacteria to multiply and get

> > started --such as in West Nile Fever.

> >

> > Naturally, this applies to tic bites (Lyme's disease) as well.

> >

> > For many decades in the 1800s people carried around little bottles of

> > iodine around their necks to use on all occasions. People in mosquito

> > and tic infested areas should think of doing this again. (8)

> >

> > In addition, it has been forgotten vaporized iodine rapidly kills air

> > borne viruses such as polio and SARS viruses.. Used extensively in the

> > forties and fifties it may be of use to explore this approach again.

> >

> > There has been no significant clinical research on iodine therapy or

> > use for 40 years. (11-15) I feel it is important for research to be

> > directed at this potentially significant area of medical treatment. It

> > is worth noting the greatest part of significant research with iodine

> > was done before the Medline search facilities were available.

> >

> > Of course, since large doses of iodine are tolerated intravenously

> > without side effects, it has yet to be explored what help this may

> > have for many cancer patients or even other diseases.

> >

> > I hope these concepts help.

> >

> > -- References:

> >

> > 1. Nyiri,W., Jannitti,M.. About the fate of free iodine upon

> > application to the unbroken animal skin. J Pharmacol Exp Ther

> > 45:85-107, 1932.

> >

> > 2. Biskind,M.S. Penetration through tissue of iodine in different

> > solvents. Proc Soc Exp Biol Med 30:35-37, 1932.

> >

> > 3. Robbins pathologic basis of disease. Eds Cotran,R.S., Kumar,V.,

> > ,T. Sixth Edition W.B. Saunders Company, Philadelphia. 1999.

> > Page 91. and page 434.

> >

> > 4. Gershenfeld,L. Iodine Editor Reddish.G.F. Antiseptics,

> > disinfectants fungicides and chemical and physical sterilization,

> > Philadelphia:Lea & FebigerHa, 1957. pages 223 277.

> >

> > 5. Derry,D.M. One hour lecture: Iodine, thyroid hormone and breast

> > cancer. How to prevent and survive breast cancer. World Breast Cancer

> > Conference, BC June 4-6, 2002..

> >

> > 6. Derry, DM. Breast cancer and iodine How to prevent and survive it.

> > Trafford Publishing , Canada. 2001 page 89.

> >

> > 7. Updegraff,H.L. Reconstructive surgery and old facial burns. JAMA

> > 101:1138-1140, 1933. page 1139

> >

> > 8. WH. The nature of cancer: morphogenesis and progressive (self

> > ) disorganization in neoplastic development and progression. Acta

> > Oncol 1995; 34:3-21.

> >

> > 9. WH. Tumour progression and the nature of cancer. J Cancer

> > 1991; 64:631-644.

> >

> > 10. ,F.C.. Iodine in medicine and pharmacy since its

> > discovery--1811-1961. Proc R Soc Med 54:831-836, 1961.

> >

> > 11. Wayne,E.J,. Koutras,D.A.. ,W.D.. Clinical aspects of

> > iodine metabolism, Philadelphia:F.A. Company, 1964.

> >

> > 12. Braverman,L.E.. Iodine and the thyroid: 33 years of study. Thyroid

> > 4 (3):351-356, 1994.

> >

> > 13. Vagenakis,A.G.. Effects of iodides: clinical studies. Thyroid 1

> > (1):59-63, 1990.

> >

> > 14. ,T., Meyers,B., Witorsch,R.J., Pino,S., Chipkin,S.,

> > Ingbar,S.H. Braverman, L.E.. The effect of small increases in dietary

> > iodine on thyroid function in euthyroid subjects. Metabolism.

> > 37:121-124, 1988.

> >

> > 15. Zaichick,V. Zaichick.S.. Normal human intrathyroidal iodine.

> > Science of the Total Environment 206 (1):39-56, 1997.

> > be?

> >

>

July 5, 2009

Your Iodine dose is too small to make a difference. My Dr started me on 50 mgs right away and I have not been any lower. I have been as high as 125 mgs. If you have that many issues on your skin you can't paint. It's too much. You should get to a high dose and then see what happens. If you have one particular item that needs attention then I would paint that with Liquid Lugol's but until you reach a good dose you probably won't see any benefits.

Steph

Re: Comments by Derry MD, PhD - Iodine applied on skin> > > > > > -Very interesting about the iodine painting. i am thyroidless due to papillary cancer and take iodoral got the resilts of my iodine loading test about 10 days ago and it was 62%> My question is about the skin in general. about 5 yrs ago i had an early stage melanoma removed from my adomen, since then i go for skin checks every 3 months. i have had MANY lesions(moles,frecles,etc) removed. they mostly come back from the lab as "displaxtic". they never come cack as normal tissue. How would i use the topical iodine. i literally have freckles,moles over every inch of my body. would i just paint suspect ones or just slather it on all over, or now that i have startd iodoral,should i give it a chance to replenish the iodine deficiency in my body and then maybe the lesions will become 'healthy" tissue? I find this very interesting in terms of skin cancers,any info. or suggestions u have would be appreciated.Interestingly i am a "keloid" healer, when i have had to have any kind of surgery.> Thank you,> > > -- In iodine , "Zoe & " <ZOEA@> wrote:> >> > Here are some comments by Dr. Derry, MD, PhD (Biochemistry), author of the book Breast Cancer and Iodine (2001). Excerpted from: http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl2a.htm> > > > > > > > Nyiri and Jannetti also mentioned iodine applied on the skin can be> > used to shrink swelling of the thyroid gland (goiters). So even small> > amounts of iodine absorbed through the skin can have good effects on> > body organs. > > > > From my own clinical experience, repeated application of iodine> > (Lugolís) to the skin appears to cause regeneration of the skin from> > the bottom up (Quiescent, stable or stem cell) (3) eventually> > sloughing the old version of the skin off like a snake molting. If> > there was a pre-cancerous lesion on the old skin, it is replaced with> > new skin minus the lesion. > > > > There does not seem to be any skin lesions which are not helped or> > cured by this procedure. In some cases I found clinically obvious low> > thyroid conditions also needed to be treated to be more effective.> > Minor lacerations and healing of surgical wounds respond well. If skin> > regeneration is from the bottom, then there is little or no scar> > formation. > > > > My parents' generation tended to put tincture of iodine onto a fresh> > wound to prevent infection. This turns out to be helpful but not the> > best way to use it. Besides it stung badly when applied. It is much> > more effective (and doesn't hurt) to apply iodine repeatedly after a> > scab has been formed. > > > > The iodine put onto the scab helps to organize total repair of the> > tissue. It is implied a similar approach could be taken to burns of> > all depths but at the same time the physiology of burns suggest there> > is an acute lack of thyroid hormone. (3) > > > > All pre-malignant lesions and many other oddities of the skin appear> > to respond to this regeneration process triggered by topical iodine. I> > have mentioned previously a patient with a biopsy-proven breast cancer> > lesion (she refused surgery because of previous cancer treatment) that> > was strongly fixed to the skin responding well to topical iodine and> > ended up being a dimple on the breast three year later. (6) > > > > It is my belief a water solution of iodine (like Lugol's) is an> > important therapeutic agent for skin. Because of its effectiveness and> > the results, perhaps many skin diseases are related to local tissue> > areas of relative iodine deficiency.> > > > Perhaps the most graphic lesions are the "keloid" (worm) incision> > scars formed after surgical procedures. If the iodine intake and> > tissue levels are adequate, such as in Japan, keloid formation doesn't> > happen (7). > > > > In addition, iodine's ability to trigger natural cell death> > (apoptosis) (5) makes it effective against all pre-cancerous skin> > lesions and likely many cancerous lesions. The local site is replaced> > with normal skin. However, even lesser doses of topical iodine seem to> > reverse the ominous appearance of skin lesions. > > > > Because my older brother died of metastatic melanoma, my chances of> > getting a malignant melanoma are increased by 400 times. (8-9) Having> > grown up in Venezuela near the equator my sun exposure at a young age> > was far above normal. So all suspicious lesions I notice are returned> > to normal with topical Lugol's. > > > > One of the most famous of documentations of iodine skin therapy to a> > famous person occurred in the American Civil War. > > > > "On September 29, 1862, Colonel B. Gordon held the center of> > General Lee's army at the battle of Antietam, or Sharpsburg. The first> > volley from the northern lines sent a ball through the calf of> > Gordon's right leg; soon after, another went through the muscles of> > his thigh; a third pierced his left arm, tearing asunder the tendons> > and mangling the flesh; a forth ripped through his shoulder leaving a> > wad of clothing embedded in its track. > > > > Still, no bones were broken; but, while Gordon lingered in the firing> > line, "with", as he says himself, "but little of my usual strength", a> > fifth ball struck him squarely in the face. > > > > Dr. Weatherly of the 6th Alabama Regiment, in charge of medical> > arrangements, had the Colonel removed to a base hospital, and> > prescribed tincture of iodine to be painted on the wounds three or> > four times a day. The case was unpromising. > > > > Gordon's eyelids were greatly swollen; one eye was completely closed,> > the other almost so; his jaw was immovably clenched, and, to make> > matters worse, erysipelas (staphylococcus infection of skin) had set> > in on the left arm. > > > > Mrs. Gordon, his wife, who nursed him - her name was Fanny, and she> > was then a beautiful girl of 25 - put a liberal interpretation on her> > instructions and painted the wounds, not three or four times a day,> > but, as Gordon himself says: "I think three to four hundred time a day." > > > > Fanny's diligence and devotion were rewarded. Her husband survived,> > outlived the war, became the Governor of Georgia, a General, and> > Commander-in-Chief of the United Confederate Veterans. He died in> > 1904." (10) > > > > I think Fanny knew iodine applied often was a more effective way to> > deliver iodine to the body especially applied on multiple sites.> > Likely Gordon's iodine blood levels and tissue levels rose throughout> > his body. > > > > As iodine is by far the best antibiotic, antiviral and antiseptic of> > all time, the colonel's body defenses were able to gain control of the> > infections. At the same time local repeated application to the wound> > sites caused the skin to grow up from its bottom where all the cells> > (Stem cells) that make normal skin are residing. > > > > Likely this minimized or eliminated scar formation. Thus Nyiriís and> > Jannettiís studies confirm why Fannyís method of treatment worked so> > brilliantly. Some of our recent serious skin diseases such a> > "flesh-eating disease" should respond quickly to topical iodine> > treatment practiced by Fanny. > > > > Or, for another example, iodine put onto a mosquito bite would kill> > all bacteria and viruses at the site of the bite within 10-30 seconds> > making it impossible for any virus or bacteria to multiply and get> > started --such as in West Nile Fever. > > > > Naturally, this applies to tic bites (Lyme's disease) as well. > > > > For many decades in the 1800s people carried around little bottles of> > iodine around their necks to use on all occasions. People in mosquito> > and tic infested areas should think of doing this again. (8) > > > > In addition, it has been forgotten vaporized iodine rapidly kills air> > borne viruses such as polio and SARS viruses.. Used extensively in the> > forties and fifties it may be of use to explore this approach again. > > > > There has been no significant clinical research on iodine therapy or> > use for 40 years. (11-15) I feel it is important for research to be> > directed at this potentially significant area of medical treatment. It> > is worth noting the greatest part of significant research with iodine> > was done before the Medline search facilities were available.> > > > Of course, since large doses of iodine are tolerated intravenously> > without side effects, it has yet to be explored what help this may> > have for many cancer patients or even other diseases. > > > > I hope these concepts help. > > > > > > > > -- References:> > > > 1. Nyiri,W., Jannitti,M.. About the fate of free iodine upon> > application to the unbroken animal skin. J Pharmacol Exp Ther> > 45:85-107, 1932. > > > > 2. Biskind,M.S. Penetration through tissue of iodine in different> > solvents. Proc Soc Exp Biol Med 30:35-37, 1932. > > > > 3. Robbins pathologic basis of disease. Eds Cotran,R.S., Kumar,V.,> > ,T. Sixth Edition W.B. Saunders Company, Philadelphia. 1999.> > Page 91. and page 434. > > > > 4. Gershenfeld,L. Iodine Editor Reddish.G.F. Antiseptics,> > disinfectants fungicides and chemical and physical sterilization,> > Philadelphia:Lea & FebigerHa, 1957. pages 223 277. > > > > 5. Derry,D.M. One hour lecture: Iodine, thyroid hormone and breast> > cancer. How to prevent and survive breast cancer. World Breast Cancer> > Conference, BC June 4-6, 2002.. > > > > 6. Derry, DM. Breast cancer and iodine How to prevent and survive it.> > Trafford Publishing , Canada. 2001 page 89. > > > > 7. Updegraff,H.L. Reconstructive surgery and old facial burns. JAMA> > 101:1138-1140, 1933. page 1139 > > > > 8. WH. The nature of cancer: morphogenesis and progressive (self> > ) disorganization in neoplastic development and progression. Acta> > Oncol 1995; 34:3-21. > > > > 9. WH. Tumour progression and the nature of cancer. J Cancer> > 1991; 64:631-644. > > > > 10. ,F.C.. Iodine in medicine and pharmacy since its> > discovery--1811-1961. Proc R Soc Med 54:831-836, 1961. > > > > 11. Wayne,E.J,. Koutras,D.A.. ,W.D.. Clinical aspects of> > iodine metabolism, Philadelphia:F.A. Company, 1964. > > > > 12. Braverman,L.E.. Iodine and the thyroid: 33 years of study. Thyroid> > 4 (3):351-356, 1994. > > > > 13. Vagenakis,A.G.. Effects of iodides: clinical studies. Thyroid 1> > (1):59-63, 1990. > > > > 14. ,T., Meyers,B., Witorsch,R.J., Pino,S., Chipkin,S.,> > Ingbar,S.H. Braverman, L.E.. The effect of small increases in dietary> > iodine on thyroid function in euthyroid subjects. Metabolism.> > 37:121-124, 1988. > > > > 15. Zaichick,V. Zaichick.S.. Normal human intrathyroidal iodine.> > Science of the Total Environment 206 (1):39-56, 1997. > > be?> >>

July 5, 2009

--Steph,

thanks for your reply. do u see any harm in jusmping right to the 50mg dosage. i

am doing detocing herbs. 2 fro metagenics, 5,000mg od vit c.,600mg potassium

glycinate(although i have been told to switch to mag. chloride) ,milk thistle.I

will check your web site again to make sure i'm not missing any other detoxing

things.I am on other supplements that i won't bothermentioning right now. i am

on 2 1/2 grains of armour(still the old formula) i do suffer from what i have

been told is sever adrenl fatigue,and i know there is some disagreement betweeen

some of the groups when to start iodaral, etc. now that i seem to be more stable

do u see any problem in upping the doage to the 50mg. i am thyroidless and did

have papillary cancer (april'08) and a melanoma about 5 yrs ago. i probably had

hashi's since my 20's although it went undiagnosed until last yr.when i turned

46- so i do think the iodine is very important! i've been reading your posts for

a while and u seem very educated and level headed so i do respect your

opinion.Sam and Darla have een helping me on thyroidless. I'm trying not to have

too many cooks in the kitchen,but i need to do what is rigt for me, and this

whole thyroid/adrenal issue is so very complicated. i always saw mysel as a

pretty smart person, but as a lay person it is hard to understand and put all

the puzzle pieces together. very overwheming.I do work w/ Dr. mary Wise in

rochester, N.Y., but our last visit she put me on florinef w/out testing my

aldosterone,potassium,and salt. that made me very uncomfortable,so i did not

start it.I do have the script for aldosterone test(which i pretty much demanded

from her)but at the time i was not aware of the impact on sodium/potassium

levels. i go tomrrow for the aldosterone blood test. even whenu think u found a

dr. who will do all the things you think they need to do-it is still a

disappointment.I guess the lesson is we all have to be our own advocates and try

to educate ourselves as much as possible.

For yrs. i thought my issue was intractable migraines w/problems and occipital

nerve,etc. I did alot of research and pretty much found a neuro.that worked WITH

me and we exchanged info. and i understood alot of it.

But since being diagnosed w/hashis and then both my kids being diagnose-well,i'm

sure u know it's been a whirl wind trying to sort myself out and them too.

Sorry to be so wordy: my system seems to be very sensitive and i just want to go

slowly,because if there will be a reaction -I will have it. So in terms of

iodine detox. i just want to be very careful.

Thanks for your time,

michelle

- In iodine , " ladybugsandbees " <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

>

> Your Iodine dose is too small to make a difference. My Dr started me on 50

mgs right away and I have not been any lower. I have been as high as 125 mgs.

If you have that many issues on your skin you can't paint. It's too much. You

should get to a high dose and then see what happens. If you have one particular

item that needs attention then I would paint that with Liquid Lugol's but until

you reach a good dose you probably won't see any benefits.

>

> Steph

>

> Re: Comments by Derry MD, PhD - Iodine applied on

skin

> >

> > -Very interesting about the iodine painting. i am thyroidless due to

papillary cancer and take iodoral got the resilts of my iodine loading test

about 10 days ago and it was 62%

> > My question is about the skin in general. about 5 yrs ago i had an early