Re: Re: Good Bile vs Bad Bile ?

[Guest guest]

,

When bile is released into the intestine and then reaches the bloodstream,

does it attach ( " pickup " ) to cholesterol in the blood/tissues and transport it

back to the liver ? Maybe this is how so many gall stones come out when

flushing.

Belskis <brian0017@...> wrote:

well the bile is what makes the cholesterol because when it is

released into the intestines

it is then reabsorbed into the blood stream and filters back into

the liver for reuse

is is very much related to cholesterol .

As far as good cholesterol and bad cholesterol there are many theorys

what I find is true is weather the oil is oxegen permeable or not and

is natural or not to be most important.

partialy hydrogenated anything dont belong in the body . What

this really is the food manufactureres adding non organic oils and

products to there food products so the shelf life of the product

is longer the problem is when you have some type of oil or fat

that is not oxygen permable then it suffercates your veins and arteries.

unsaturated and saturated is weather the oil or fat is able to

carry other materials with it

as it travels through your veins and arteries, saturated would not

be able to carry as much as unsaturated. I do not believe either of

the two to be harmful as long as it is natural and organic.

Sodium nitrate , msg, modified food starch , aspartame and sugar and

sugar substitutes

I avoid them as much as I can

Good bile is related to alakaline ph rather then acidic ph

ladybug35@... wrote:

> Hi Group,

> Am I just now catching on that there is bad bile and good bile?? Is

> this like the good cholesterol or bad cholesterol theory??? I need

> more info about this........

> thanks, Dee

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bile is made of: water, cholesterol, bile salts (minerals + bile acids),

bilirubin, and lecithin. Bile is not reabsorbed and transported through the

cardiovascular system as bile; it is emulsified into smaller constituents which

are then reabsorbed. Your gallstones form when the cholesterol (and other

constituents) comes out of suspension in the bile. Bile does not make

cholesterol, cholesterol is a component of bile. Your liver makes cholesterol.

Saturation refers to the amount of hydrogen ions bonded to a particular fat in

relation to the no. of ions that can bind. Coconut oil is a saturated oil. All

the hydrogen that can be is bonded. Superior high heat cooking oil due to it's

smoke point. Hydrogenation is the process of increasing the hydrogen bonding to

a non saturated oil; usually done by heating. Corn oil pours just fine out of a

bottle at room temperature. High heat it and let it cool- no more pour. Scrub

like mad to get the pan clean. Think about what that does inside the body.

Margarines are hydrogenated. Containing trans-fats; You don't want those

either.

----- Original Message -----

From: Liz Sapareto<mailto:lizsapar@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:33 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Good Bile vs Bad Bile ?

,

When bile is released into the intestine and then reaches the bloodstream,

does it attach ( " pickup " ) to cholesterol in the blood/tissues and transport it

back to the liver ? Maybe this is how so many gall stones come out when

flushing.

Belskis <brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@...>> wrote:

well the bile is what makes the cholesterol because when it is

released into the intestines

it is then reabsorbed into the blood stream and filters back into

the liver for reuse

is is very much related to cholesterol .

As far as good cholesterol and bad cholesterol there are many theorys

what I find is true is weather the oil is oxegen permeable or not and

is natural or not to be most important.

partialy hydrogenated anything dont belong in the body . What

this really is the food manufactureres adding non organic oils and

products to there food products so the shelf life of the product

is longer the problem is when you have some type of oil or fat

that is not oxygen permable then it suffercates your veins and arteries.

unsaturated and saturated is weather the oil or fat is able to

carry other materials with it

as it travels through your veins and arteries, saturated would not

be able to carry as much as unsaturated. I do not believe either of

the two to be harmful as long as it is natural and organic.

Sodium nitrate , msg, modified food starch , aspartame and sugar and

sugar substitutes

I avoid them as much as I can

Good bile is related to alakaline ph rather then acidic ph

ladybug35@...<mailto:ladybug35@...> wrote:

> Hi Group,

> Am I just now catching on that there is bad bile and good bile?? Is

> this like the good cholesterol or bad cholesterol theory??? I need

> more info about this........

> thanks, Dee

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What Dave says is far more politicaly correct

cholesterol is a by product of the bile

just that the liver makes the bile with the waste products it

intends to dump out into the intestines the more acidic these

waste products are the more inflammation they will cause to the

gallbladder in the long term .

I have read that the gallbladder is a temporary storage place for

bile that may be too toxic or acidic to dump into the body and the

liver intends to use the gallbladder as a temporary storage place until

the bile is complete enough to dump out the bile into the intestines

trying to make the bile least toxic and acidic as possible

the trouble is garbage in = garbage out and the liver has limitations

to what it can do

Dave Shelden wrote:

> Bile is made of: water, cholesterol, bile salts (minerals + bile

> acids), bilirubin, and lecithin. Bile is not reabsorbed and

> transported through the cardiovascular system as bile; it is

> emulsified into smaller constituents which are then reabsorbed. Your

> gallstones form when the cholesterol (and other constituents) comes

> out of suspension in the bile. Bile does not make cholesterol,

> cholesterol is a component of bile. Your liver makes cholesterol.

> Saturation refers to the amount of hydrogen ions bonded to a

> particular fat in relation to the no. of ions that can bind. Coconut

> oil is a saturated oil. All the hydrogen that can be is bonded.

> Superior high heat cooking oil due to it's smoke point. Hydrogenation

> is the process of increasing the hydrogen bonding to a non saturated

> oil; usually done by heating. Corn oil pours just fine out of a

> bottle at room temperature. High heat it and let it cool- no more

> pour. Scrub like mad to get the pan clean. Think about what that

> does inside the body. Margarines are hydrogenated. Containing

> trans-fats; You don't want those either.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Liz Sapareto<mailto:lizsapar@...>

> gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:33 AM

> Subject: Re: Re: Good Bile vs Bad Bile ?

>

>

> ,

> When bile is released into the intestine and then reaches the

> bloodstream, does it attach ( " pickup " ) to cholesterol in the

> blood/tissues and transport it back to the liver ? Maybe this is how

> so many gall stones come out when flushing.

>

> Belskis <brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@...>> wrote:

> well the bile is what makes the cholesterol because when it is

> released into the intestines

> it is then reabsorbed into the blood stream and filters back into

> the liver for reuse

>

> is is very much related to cholesterol .

>

> As far as good cholesterol and bad cholesterol there are many theorys

>

> what I find is true is weather the oil is oxegen permeable or not

> and

> is natural or not to be most important.

>

> partialy hydrogenated anything dont belong in the body . What

> this really is the food manufactureres adding non organic oils and

> products to there food products so the shelf life of the product

> is longer the problem is when you have some type of oil or fat

> that is not oxygen permable then it suffercates your veins and

> arteries.

>

> unsaturated and saturated is weather the oil or fat is able to

> carry other materials with it

> as it travels through your veins and arteries, saturated would not

> be able to carry as much as unsaturated. I do not believe

> either of

> the two to be harmful as long as it is natural and organic.

>

> Sodium nitrate , msg, modified food starch , aspartame and sugar and

> sugar substitutes

> I avoid them as much as I can

>

> Good bile is related to alakaline ph rather then acidic ph

>

>

>

>

> ladybug35@...<mailto:ladybug35@...> wrote:

>

> > Hi Group,

> > Am I just now catching on that there is bad bile and good bile?? Is

> > this like the good cholesterol or bad cholesterol theory??? I need

> > more info about this........

> > thanks, Dee

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Cholesterol is produced by the liver and the liver also filters out excess

cholesterol which is then eliminated through the bile; the liver does not

produce it out of waste products that it " intends " to eliminate. Cholesterol

has many functions in the human body. EVERY hormonal secretion in the human

body is made from cholesterol! It is a good thing, not a bad thing. Evolution

does not produce things that are a detriment. The problems with cholesterol are

a matter of balance. HDL and LDL are not cholesterol. They are other lipids.

LDLs carries cholesterol in the blood to the cells where it can be utilized,

HDLs carry it from the cells to the liver where it may be filtered out. LDLs

oxidize easily becoming sticky so the cholesterol sticks to the walls of the

cardio vessels. HDL's do not oxidize easily. If you protect the LDLs with

enough of the proper antioxidants the LDLs will not oxidize. Cholesterol is also

important in the emulsification and digestion of fats, one of the reasons that

it is a component of bile. It is not a by product at all. It is a necessary

component. The purpose of the gallbladder is as a storage vessel for bile so

that when you ingest foods containing fats that it can excrete an appropriate

amount to facilitate the complete breakdown of said fats digestively so you may

assimilate the individual lipids. Bile and most of it's components including

cholesterol are essential for the proper digestion of fats. The gallbladder is

also absorptive of some of the moisture in the bile produced by the liver

thereby concentrating it. The problem with cholesterol and how it relates to

it's presence in bile and the formation of gallstones is again an issue of

balance. Cholesterol is a fat (and an alcohol) and fat and water do not mix.

The cholesterol in bile is kept in suspension by the presence and balance of

bile acids and lecithin. Hence the use of malic acid, lecithin, water, etc. for

softening gallstones in order to eliminate. Gallstones form when the proper

balance is not present to keep the cholesterol and other components in

suspension, they " precipitate " and coagulate. Now you have a problem. The

elimination of stones and sludge is two-fold: Dissolve (bile acids, lecithin,

etc.) and dilute, dilute, dilute (water, oils, etc.) Now couple that with the

stimulation of the production of bile (cholerics) the movement of bile

(chologagues) and the relaxation of the ducts and smooth muscle (magnesium,

peppermint, wild cherry, etc.). The liver and gallbladder are not hooked up

directly. Even with a gallbladder some bile is excreted directly from the liver

into the upper small intestine. The gallbladder does not capture bile in order

to hold it until it can be chemically changed to a less toxic form, it's

functions are purely digestive in purpose.

----- Original Message -----

From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:47 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Good Bile vs Bad Bile ?

What Dave says is far more politicaly correct

cholesterol is a by product of the bile

just that the liver makes the bile with the waste products it

intends to dump out into the intestines the more acidic these

waste products are the more inflammation they will cause to the

gallbladder in the long term .

I have read that the gallbladder is a temporary storage place for

bile that may be too toxic or acidic to dump into the body and the

liver intends to use the gallbladder as a temporary storage place until

the bile is complete enough to dump out the bile into the intestines

trying to make the bile least toxic and acidic as possible

the trouble is garbage in = garbage out and the liver has limitations

to what it can do

Dave Shelden wrote:

> Bile is made of: water, cholesterol, bile salts (minerals + bile

> acids), bilirubin, and lecithin. Bile is not reabsorbed and

> transported through the cardiovascular system as bile; it is

> emulsified into smaller constituents which are then reabsorbed. Your

> gallstones form when the cholesterol (and other constituents) comes

> out of suspension in the bile. Bile does not make cholesterol,

> cholesterol is a component of bile. Your liver makes cholesterol.

> Saturation refers to the amount of hydrogen ions bonded to a

> particular fat in relation to the no. of ions that can bind. Coconut

> oil is a saturated oil. All the hydrogen that can be is bonded.

> Superior high heat cooking oil due to it's smoke point. Hydrogenation

> is the process of increasing the hydrogen bonding to a non saturated

> oil; usually done by heating. Corn oil pours just fine out of a

> bottle at room temperature. High heat it and let it cool- no more

> pour. Scrub like mad to get the pan clean. Think about what that

> does inside the body. Margarines are hydrogenated. Containing

> trans-fats; You don't want those either.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Liz Sapareto<mailto:lizsapar@...<mailto:lizsapar@...>>

> To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones@y\

ahoogroups.com<mailto:gallstones >>

> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:33 AM

> Subject: Re: Re: Good Bile vs Bad Bile ?

>

>

> ,

> When bile is released into the intestine and then reaches the

> bloodstream, does it attach ( " pickup " ) to cholesterol in the

> blood/tissues and transport it back to the liver ? Maybe this is how

> so many gall stones come out when flushing.

>

> Belskis

<brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@...<mailto:b\

rian0017@...>>> wrote:

> well the bile is what makes the cholesterol because when it is

> released into the intestines

> it is then reabsorbed into the blood stream and filters back into

> the liver for reuse

>

> is is very much related to cholesterol .

>

> As far as good cholesterol and bad cholesterol there are many theorys

>

> what I find is true is weather the oil is oxegen permeable or not

> and

> is natural or not to be most important.

>

> partialy hydrogenated anything dont belong in the body . What

> this really is the food manufactureres adding non organic oils and

> products to there food products so the shelf life of the product

> is longer the problem is when you have some type of oil or fat

> that is not oxygen permable then it suffercates your veins and

> arteries.

>

> unsaturated and saturated is weather the oil or fat is able to

> carry other materials with it

> as it travels through your veins and arteries, saturated would not

> be able to carry as much as unsaturated. I do not believe

> either of

> the two to be harmful as long as it is natural and organic.

>

> Sodium nitrate , msg, modified food starch , aspartame and sugar and

> sugar substitutes

> I avoid them as much as I can

>

> Good bile is related to alakaline ph rather then acidic ph

>

>

>

>

>

ladybug35@...<mailto:ladybug35@...<mailto:ladybug35@...<mailto:la\

dybug35@...>> wrote:

>

> > Hi Group,

> > Am I just now catching on that there is bad bile and good bile?? Is

> > this like the good cholesterol or bad cholesterol theory??? I need

> > more info about this........

> > thanks, Dee

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

thank you dave for a great treatise on cholesterol and bile etc.

Belskis <brian0017@...> wrote:

What Dave says is far more politicaly correct

cholesterol is a by product of the bile

just that the liver makes the bile with the waste products it

intends to dump out into the intestines the more acidic these

waste products are the more inflammation they will cause to the

gallbladder in the long term .

I have read that the gallbladder is a temporary storage place for

bile that may be too toxic or acidic to dump into the body and the

liver intends to use the gallbladder as a temporary storage place until

the bile is complete enough to dump out the bile into the intestines

trying to make the bile least toxic and acidic as possible

the trouble is garbage in = garbage out and the liver has limitations

to what it can do

Dave Shelden wrote:

> Bile is made of: water, cholesterol, bile salts (minerals + bile

> acids), bilirubin, and lecithin. Bile is not reabsorbed and

> transported through the cardiovascular system as bile; it is

> emulsified into smaller constituents which are then reabsorbed. Your

> gallstones form when the cholesterol (and other constituents) comes

> out of suspension in the bile. Bile does not make cholesterol,

> cholesterol is a component of bile. Your liver makes cholesterol.

> Saturation refers to the amount of hydrogen ions bonded to a

> particular fat in relation to the no. of ions that can bind. Coconut

> oil is a saturated oil. All the hydrogen that can be is bonded.

> Superior high heat cooking oil due to it's smoke point. Hydrogenation

> is the process of increasing the hydrogen bonding to a non saturated

> oil; usually done by heating. Corn oil pours just fine out of a

> bottle at room temperature. High heat it and let it cool- no more

> pour. Scrub like mad to get the pan clean. Think about what that

> does inside the body. Margarines are hydrogenated. Containing

> trans-fats; You don't want those either.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Liz Sapareto<mailto:lizsapar@...>

> gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:33 AM

> Subject: Re: Re: Good Bile vs Bad Bile ?

>

>

> ,

> When bile is released into the intestine and then reaches the

> bloodstream, does it attach ( " pickup " ) to cholesterol in the

> blood/tissues and transport it back to the liver ? Maybe this is how

> so many gall stones come out when flushing.

>

> Belskis <brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@...>> wrote:

> well the bile is what makes the cholesterol because when it is

> released into the intestines

> it is then reabsorbed into the blood stream and filters back into

> the liver for reuse

>

> is is very much related to cholesterol .

>

> As far as good cholesterol and bad cholesterol there are many theorys

>

> what I find is true is weather the oil is oxegen permeable or not

> and

> is natural or not to be most important.

>

> partialy hydrogenated anything dont belong in the body . What

> this really is the food manufactureres adding non organic oils and

> products to there food products so the shelf life of the product

> is longer the problem is when you have some type of oil or fat

> that is not oxygen permable then it suffercates your veins and

> arteries.

>

> unsaturated and saturated is weather the oil or fat is able to

> carry other materials with it

> as it travels through your veins and arteries, saturated would not

> be able to carry as much as unsaturated. I do not believe

> either of

> the two to be harmful as long as it is natural and organic.

>

> Sodium nitrate , msg, modified food starch , aspartame and sugar and

> sugar substitutes

> I avoid them as much as I can

>

> Good bile is related to alakaline ph rather then acidic ph

>

>

>

>

> ladybug35@...<mailto:ladybug35@...> wrote:

>

> > Hi Group,

> > Am I just now catching on that there is bad bile and good bile?? Is

> > this like the good cholesterol or bad cholesterol theory??? I need

> > more info about this........

> > thanks, Dee

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

I diagree. One tablespoon of Olive Oil a day doesn't keep the liver from

producing gall stones. I've been flushing for 4 years and do have oilive oil

every day - gall stones still form.

Belskis <brian0017@...> wrote:

the liver is the filter of the blood the gallstones are what

was filtered out of the blood

after flushing out all the galllstones from your liver (3-5

)flushes you can maintain not having to do any more flushes by

having a tablespoon of olive oil a day that continuely removes the

chaff from your liver not creating any more gallstones again

Liz Sapareto wrote:

> ,

> When bile is released into the intestine and then reaches the

> bloodstream, does it attach ( " pickup " ) to cholesterol in the

> blood/tissues and transport it back to the liver ? Maybe this is how

> so many gall stones come out when flushing.

>

> Belskis <brian0017@...> wrote:

> well the bile is what makes the cholesterol because when it is

> released into the intestines

> it is then reabsorbed into the blood stream and filters back into

> the liver for reuse

>

> is is very much related to cholesterol .

>

> As far as good cholesterol and bad cholesterol there are many theorys

>

> what I find is true is weather the oil is oxegen permeable or not and

> is natural or not to be most important.

>

> partialy hydrogenated anything dont belong in the body . What

> this really is the food manufactureres adding non organic oils and

> products to there food products so the shelf life of the product

> is longer the problem is when you have some type of oil or fat

> that is not oxygen permable then it suffercates your veins and arteries.

>

> unsaturated and saturated is weather the oil or fat is able to

> carry other materials with it

> as it travels through your veins and arteries, saturated would not

> be able to carry as much as unsaturated. I do not believe either of

> the two to be harmful as long as it is natural and organic.

>

> Sodium nitrate , msg, modified food starch , aspartame and sugar and

> sugar substitutes

> I avoid them as much as I can

>

> Good bile is related to alakaline ph rather then acidic ph

>

>

>

>

> ladybug35@... wrote:

>

> > Hi Group,

> > Am I just now catching on that there is bad bile and good bile?? Is

> > this like the good cholesterol or bad cholesterol theory??? I need

> > more info about this........

> > thanks, Dee

> >

> >

> >