Re: Re thyroid dump: First Day's Iodoral Experience

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>From: " sharflin " <sharflin@...>

>I am rolling all this over in my mind, trying to figure out how

>iodine might cause a thyroid dump. And if taking HC relieved your

>symptoms, whether that is evidence of a thyroid dump or not.

I'm not sure " thyroid dump " is a technical term. I have no idea what it

means.

Someone mentions heart palps as one symptom, so I assume somehow the thought

is the thyroid releases a bunch of stored up hormones, and floods the system

with excessive thyroid hormone?

I doubt it.

Those with inadequate adrenals, tend to be extremely sensitive to thyroid

meds so that even small increases in dosage can cause sudden hyperthyroid

symptoms.

Cortisol is a hormone that has to be in proper range to work well. It

raises BP and pulse rate, yet when one gets an increase in adrenaline or

thyroid medication, it takes adequate levels of cortisol to keep the heart

rate down. An 's patient told me that if her heart rate is

escalating, she takes a Cortef and if it was from her low cortisol levels,

it slows back down within a half an hour. If it's from another cause it

doesn't

Anyway, it's hard to say what a " thyroid dump " is for those who don't

understand the words, but one possibility is that it's really low cortisol.

I guess if one is low in iodine, and taking it speeds up the thyroid, the

low adrenal issues would do the same thing, so that could be the problem for

those who think they've had a " thyroid dump " when they take Iodoral or

Lugol's.

Skipper

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I've never like the term " thyroid dump " ...lol...how about " thyroid

uptake " ?...here's a description of it in this paragraph from Dr.

Peatfield, and how it can be avoided:

We must return to our theme. It is essential where low adrenal

reserve is suspected, or indeed, obvious, that no thyroid

supplementation should be considered until adrenal support is in

place. Undoubtedly for the physician, the replacement of choice is

hydrocortisone, since this though synthetically produced, is

identical to naturally produced cortisone. But, the initial approach

has to be restrained and cautious, and the lowest possible dose

given at the start. I find that 1/4 of a 10 mg. hydrocortisone (that

is 2.5 mg) is an excellent starting point. The reason hat it is so

low to start with is that patients ill for some time, and perhaps

receiving synthetic thyroxine, may have substantially high levels of

T4 and T3 which the system cannot use. The adrenal support may kick

in quite quickly, causing the T4 -> T3 conversion and receptor

uptake to start working quite abruptly. This may cause a sudden

overdose situation to occur. The patient may find the pulse rapidly

accelerates to give palpitations in the chest or even promote

irregularity of the heartbeat. They may feel ill, may collapse, they

may have tremors in the limbs as if they were thyrotoxic. With small

starter doses of adrenal support the risk of this is avoided. The

first two or three days of 2.5 mg. of hydrocortisone given in the

morning soon after waking, will be monitored by the patient for any

adverse symptoms, checking pulse two or three times a day, and of

the course morning basal temperature.

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> >>

> I'm not sure " thyroid dump " is a technical term. I have no idea

what it

> means.

>

> Someone mentions heart palps as one symptom, so I assume somehow

the thought

> is the thyroid releases a bunch of stored up hormones, and floods

the system

> with excessive thyroid hormone?

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>

>

> I'm not sure " thyroid dump " is a technical term. I have no idea

what it

> means.

No, it's not a technical term.

>

> Someone mentions heart palps as one symptom, so I assume somehow the

thought

> is the thyroid releases a bunch of stored up hormones, and floods

the system

> with excessive thyroid hormone?

>

> I doubt it.

No, it's that if you have inadequate cortisol, the thyroid hormones

(our own or supplemental) can't get to the cells. When HC is added,

creating an adequate supply of cortisol, the receptor " open " allowing

thyroid hormone into the cells.

If the thryoid hormones have been building up in your bloodstream

because of low cortisol & " closed " receptors (resulting in feeling

hyper while hypo), it will all dump into the cells when you get to an

adequate dose of HC, possibly resulting in excessive amounts and

feeling VERY hyper until all of the excess thyroid hormone is used.

>

>

> Cortisol is a hormone that has to be in proper range to work well.

Exactly the point.

>

> Anyway, it's hard to say what a " thyroid dump " is for those who don't

> understand the words, but one possibility is that it's really low

cortisol.

The opposite...it occurs when one with low cortisol begins to

supplement with HC (or even Isocort)

>

> I guess if one is low in iodine, and taking it speeds up the

thyroid, the

> low adrenal issues would do the same thing, so that could be the

problem for

> those who think they've had a " thyroid dump " when they take Iodoral or

> Lugol's.

Something that I'd like to avoid, which is why I'm trying to wrap my

hypo-head around the possibility of if is CAN happen when adding

iodine. Don't know if it would be an " official " thyroid dump.

More that I'm trying to figure out if any of you who were

" iodine-starved " had dramatic thyroid hormone results from minimal

supplementation.

Warmly,

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I think this is exactly what happened on Day 1 of

Iodoral, and lesser on Day 2. I'm really having to

work up the courage to take it again today still but I

know I have to.

--- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

> I guess if one is low in iodine, and taking it

> speeds up the thyroid, the

> low adrenal issues would do the same thing, so that

> could be the problem for

> those who think they've had a " thyroid dump " when

> they take Iodoral or

> Lugol's.

>

> Skipper

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>

> Yes, I think this is what happened to me on Day One of

> taking Iodoral, and to a lesser extent on Day Two, but

> today I haven't taken any yet we'll see.

>

> Dramatic thyroid hormone results of what type as a

> result of taking iodine, ?

>

> Thanks

>

Well, similar to yours, I guess, ! Wondering if people went

hyper and/or had to adjust their thyroid meds, either immediately or

eventually.

Warmly,