Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

[Guest guest]

Gopi,

Try malic acid (found in apple juice) or in supplement form and

magnesium. It may take many weeks of this routine. These break down the

calcification. Then try the liver cleanse. It has always been

successful for me. Grapefruit and olive oil with epsom salts to relax

the bile ducts. I have heard too many times that people who use lemon

juice throw it up. Do these every 2 weeks for a while and it will clean

out the gall bladder and liver.

G Murray

gopi wrote:

>Hi Folks,

> I was diagnosed with gallstones four months ago. As per the Radiologist

report i have a 20mm calcified stone right at the neck of the GB and possibly

more based on the shadows.

> I have been taking GCG for the last three months and have not had another

attack till a couple of weeks ago. The last couple of weeks my stomach seems

to be following a certain pattern. It gets bloated which leads to lots of

burping, passing gas and eventually constipation. This is followed by gall

bladder pain as well as back pain for a few hours, sometimes overnight. The

next bowel movement (after few hours or overnight) seems to provide relief and

things start to feel normal after a few hours. This has happened to me thrice

in the last two weeks. My diet / excercise have not changed considerably and i

am not sure what is going on.

>

> Any advice from you all would be greatly appreciates, I have been avoiding

the doc for obvious reasons( his only advice is GB removal).

>

> Regards

> Gopi

>

[Guest guest]

And don't forget to chew your food beyond thorougly. I think lack of HCL

may contribute to my stones. It's hard to change lifelong habits like that.

I just did my fourth flush and this is after adopting a mostly liver

friendly diet (lots of greens, beets, vegetables) with the only exceptions

being a several times a week addictive need for a cup of coffee and a peanut

butter cup. Plus I've been drinking plenty of apple juice and eating apples

most every day. I've been avoiding dairy and trying to eat only healthy

fats.

I did the gallbladder flush two nights ago and had much larger stones come

out (gumball sized -- about 20 in all along with hundreds of tiny ones) with

no discomfort at all. The Epsom salts and drinking plenty of apple juice

and eating apples really make the difference I think. I am usually in the

throes of an attack about this time and I'm fine this time of year for the

first time in decades. Time will tell. I had a few days of eating grains

but since they tend to exacerbate this condition, I've been avoiding them

for the most part. I still have reactions of extreme fatigue when I eat

wheat or barley plus digestive troubles.

I've also been making fruit and veggie smoothies in the morning. Somehow

the pre-chewed help seems to help me digest things better because I tend to

forget to take the Betaine HCL (I hate swallowing pills).

This time I did not do the Chinese herbs because I'm in a bit of financial

straits, but things seem to be coming out just dandy even without them

adopting the eating protocol I've adopted above.

Lori

[Guest guest]

What kind of oil is the best? Has anyone tried a variety and noticed better

results with a certain kind?

I know there are green ones and yellowy ones...

I'm planning on doing another flush tomorrow...

Shefy

G & K Murray <kgtnm@...> wrote: Gopi,

Try malic acid (found in apple juice) or in supplement form and

magnesium. It may take many weeks of this routine. These break down the

calcification. Then try the liver cleanse. It has always been

successful for me. Grapefruit and olive oil with epsom salts to relax

the bile ducts. I have heard too many times that people who use lemon

juice throw it up. Do these every 2 weeks for a while and it will clean

out the gall bladder and liver.

G Murray

gopi wrote:

>Hi Folks,

> I was diagnosed with gallstones four months ago. As per the

Radiologist report i have a 20mm calcified stone right at the neck of the GB

and possibly more based on the shadows.

> I have been taking GCG for the last three months and have not had another

attack till a couple of weeks ago. The last couple of weeks my stomach seems

to be following a certain pattern. It gets bloated which leads to lots of

burping, passing gas and eventually constipation. This is followed by gall

bladder pain as well as back pain for a few hours, sometimes overnight. The

next bowel movement (after few hours or overnight) seems to provide relief and

things start to feel normal after a few hours. This has happened to me thrice

in the last two weeks. My diet / excercise have not changed considerably and i

am not sure what is going on.

>

> Any advice from you all would be greatly appreciates, I have been avoiding

the doc for obvious reasons( his only advice is GB removal).

>

> Regards

> Gopi

>

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Hi gopi.

I have the same problem, with the symptoms and the doctor.

Someone posted something about taking 1 cup of warm/hot water with lemon juice

and a pinch of cayenne pepper. I've only been taking it 2 days, but I've noticed

that I feel a lot better. Usually I need to eat a ton of prunes or take

oxypowder to get a movement, but I didn't take anything but this cocktail in the

morning as soon as I got up.

Give it a try! and don't give up your gb unless it's an emergency!

Shefy

gopi <ggops99@...> wrote: Hi Folks,

I was diagnosed with gallstones four months ago. As per the Radiologist

report i have a 20mm calcified stone right at the neck of the GB and possibly

more based on the shadows.

I have been taking GCG for the last three months and have not had another

attack till a couple of weeks ago. The last couple of weeks my stomach seems

to be following a certain pattern. It gets bloated which leads to lots of

burping, passing gas and eventually constipation. This is followed by gall

bladder pain as well as back pain for a few hours, sometimes overnight. The

next bowel movement (after few hours or overnight) seems to provide relief and

things start to feel normal after a few hours. This has happened to me thrice

in the last two weeks. My diet / excercise have not changed considerably and i

am not sure what is going on.

Any advice from you all would be greatly appreciates, I have been avoiding

the doc for obvious reasons( his only advice is GB removal).

Regards

Gopi

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

do the liver/gall bladder flush ASAP

shefy gupta <shefy7@...> wrote: Hi gopi.

I have the same problem, with the symptoms and the doctor.

Someone posted something about taking 1 cup of warm/hot water with lemon juice

and a pinch of cayenne pepper. I've only been taking it 2 days, but I've noticed

that I feel a lot better. Usually I need to eat a ton of prunes or take

oxypowder to get a movement, but I didn't take anything but this cocktail in the

morning as soon as I got up.

Give it a try! and don't give up your gb unless it's an emergency!

Shefy

gopi <ggops99@...> wrote: Hi Folks,

I was diagnosed with gallstones four months ago. As per the Radiologist

report i have a 20mm calcified stone right at the neck of the GB and possibly

more based on the shadows.

I have been taking GCG for the last three months and have not had another

attack till a couple of weeks ago. The last couple of weeks my stomach seems

to be following a certain pattern. It gets bloated which leads to lots of

burping, passing gas and eventually constipation. This is followed by gall

bladder pain as well as back pain for a few hours, sometimes overnight. The

next bowel movement (after few hours or overnight) seems to provide relief and

things start to feel normal after a few hours. This has happened to me thrice

in the last two weeks. My diet / excercise have not changed considerably and i

am not sure what is going on.

Any advice from you all would be greatly appreciates, I have been avoiding

the doc for obvious reasons( his only advice is GB removal).

Regards

Gopi

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

a liver friendly diet is alkalayne based and is easily digestable

without hydrachloric acid

takeing hydrichloric acid defeats the entire purpose of the alkalyne

based diet

stay away from that stuff until your stomach heals the goal of a liver

friendly diet is to

restore your stomach and liver gallbladder tissues and heal the ulcers

if you want digestive aids to help digest then drink a fresh squeezed

lemon in warm tea or just plain water 15minutes before eating

Lori wrote:

> And don't forget to chew your food beyond thorougly. I think lack of HCL

> may contribute to my stones. It's hard to change lifelong habits like

> that.

>

> I just did my fourth flush and this is after adopting a mostly liver

> friendly diet (lots of greens, beets, vegetables) with the only

> exceptions

> being a several times a week addictive need for a cup of coffee and a

> peanut

> butter cup. Plus I've been drinking plenty of apple juice and eating

> apples

> most every day. I've been avoiding dairy and trying to eat only healthy

> fats.

>

> I did the gallbladder flush two nights ago and had much larger stones

> come

> out (gumball sized -- about 20 in all along with hundreds of tiny

> ones) with

> no discomfort at all. The Epsom salts and drinking plenty of apple juice

> and eating apples really make the difference I think. I am usually in

> the

> throes of an attack about this time and I'm fine this time of year for

> the

> first time in decades. Time will tell. I had a few days of eating

> grains

> but since they tend to exacerbate this condition, I've been avoiding them

> for the most part. I still have reactions of extreme fatigue when I eat

> wheat or barley plus digestive troubles.

>

> I've also been making fruit and veggie smoothies in the morning. Somehow

> the pre-chewed help seems to help me digest things better because I

> tend to

> forget to take the Betaine HCL (I hate swallowing pills).

>

> This time I did not do the Chinese herbs because I'm in a bit of

> financial

> straits, but things seem to be coming out just dandy even without them

> adopting the eating protocol I've adopted above.

>

> Lori

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:02 AM

Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

a liver friendly diet is alkalayne based and is easily digestable

without hydrachloric acid

- Absolutely not. Yes we need to consume a more alkaline diet but even in

an alkaline diet we are going to have to consume foods that are both acid in

nature and require an acid environment to digest. When you consume a meal of

only vegetables you are correct that we do not need the HCL and that part of the

process is skipped. To break down any protein and that includes vegetable

proteins we must have the proper amount of HCL present.

takeing hydrichloric acid defeats the entire purpose of the alkalyne

based diet

- Absolutely wrong. If you do not have a stomach acidity below (more

acid) than ph 3 with proteins present; improper digestion occurs. Not to

mention the bacteria and pathogens that are able to run the gauntlet of the most

important part of the intestinal immunological defense: Stomach acidity.

[Guest guest]

Dave Shelden wrote:

this is were students of disagree with Hulda

I also found it to be true if your diet is alkalyne your stomach can

digest it without intense amount of hydrochloric acid

intresting enough hydrochloric acid is needed to digest milk and that is

why childrn have it the strongest in early years

but what animal besides humans stays on milk there whole life?

and what animals drink other animals milk?

Besides that a stomach that heals is able todo other functions that it

could not before that invovles detoxification and blood cleansing

of course if you drink cows milk and cheese you need hydrochloric acid

to digest it but it was never natural for you to eat that in the first

place

the benefits of abstaining from milk and cheese dairy and meat to heal

your body far out way using hydrochloric acid to digest them

amazing how far humans will goto to satisfy there lusts

they will continue until they put themselves in the box and pay for

there doctors childrens education and automobiles

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...>

> gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:02 AM

> Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

>

>

> a liver friendly diet is alkalayne based and is easily digestable

> without hydrachloric acid

>

> - Absolutely not. Yes we need to consume a more alkaline diet

> but even in an alkaline diet we are going to have to consume foods

> that are both acid in nature and require an acid environment to

> digest. When you consume a meal of only vegetables you are correct

> that we do not need the HCL and that part of the process is skipped.

> To break down any protein and that includes vegetable proteins we must

> have the proper amount of HCL present.

>

> takeing hydrichloric acid defeats the entire purpose of the alkalyne

> based diet

>

> - Absolutely wrong. If you do not have a stomach acidity below

> (more acid) than ph 3 with proteins present; improper digestion

> occurs. Not to mention the bacteria and pathogens that are able to

> run the gauntlet of the most important part of the intestinal

> immunological defense: Stomach acidity.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The proteins that I addressed were plant proteins not dairy products. No

amino acids= no life, pure and simple. Insufficient HCL= no breaking of the

proteins into polypeptide chains. No breaking into polypeptide chains=

incomplete protein digestion and amino acid deficiency not to mention the

putrefaction in the lower bowel.

Since you brought the whole dairy issue up, what is not natural about

consuming dairy? Please don't fall back on the ludicrous fact that no other

animals consume milk all their lives. No other animal is capable of husbandry

(except for ants with aphids). If they were you can bet some would. We are not

talking about the consumption of same species mammary fluid here. The Masai of

Africa subsisted completely on a diet of cow's blood, milk, and urine very well

for thousands of years. Ayurveda uses much dairy and successfully so. Granted

there are many unhealthy things that we do to the dairy that change it's

structure, but there is nothing evil about the moderate consumption of

unpasteurized, and unhomogenized dairy; especially those that are cultured.

Please tell me the proper diet for a person of Eskimo heritage?

Please address the issue of pathogens and stomach ph.

----- Original Message -----

From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:21 AM

Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

this is were students of disagree with Hulda

I also found it to be true if your diet is alkalyne your stomach can

digest it without intense amount of hydrochloric acid

intresting enough hydrochloric acid is needed to digest milk and that is

why childrn have it the strongest in early years

but what animal besides humans stays on milk there whole life?

and what animals drink other animals milk?

Besides that a stomach that heals is able todo other functions that it

could not before that invovles detoxification and blood cleansing

of course if you drink cows milk and cheese you need hydrochloric acid

to digest it but it was never natural for you to eat that in the first

place

the benefits of abstaining from milk and cheese dairy and meat to heal

your body far out way using hydrochloric acid to digest them

amazing how far humans will goto to satisfy there lusts

they will continue until they put themselves in the box and pay for

there doctors childrens education and automobiles

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@...>>

> To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones@y\

ahoogroups.com<mailto:gallstones >>

> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:02 AM

> Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

>

>

> a liver friendly diet is alkalayne based and is easily digestable

> without hydrachloric acid

>

> - Absolutely not. Yes we need to consume a more alkaline diet

> but even in an alkaline diet we are going to have to consume foods

> that are both acid in nature and require an acid environment to

> digest. When you consume a meal of only vegetables you are correct

> that we do not need the HCL and that part of the process is skipped.

> To break down any protein and that includes vegetable proteins we must

> have the proper amount of HCL present.

>

> takeing hydrichloric acid defeats the entire purpose of the alkalyne

> based diet

>

> - Absolutely wrong. If you do not have a stomach acidity below

> (more acid) than ph 3 with proteins present; improper digestion

> occurs. Not to mention the bacteria and pathogens that are able to

> run the gauntlet of the most important part of the intestinal

> immunological defense: Stomach acidity.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i NEVER HEARD OF AN EXPLANATION FOR WHY WE SHOULDN'T EAT DAIRY PRODUCTS SO

RIDICULOUS IN MY LIFE. We are not animals we are humans quite a bit different

from animals. We DO NOT have to be like animals and we do not have to eat like

animals and frankly animal models are not a " good fit " to explain human dietary

needs. You keep emphasizing " natural " natural for whom? Maybe not for hyenas,

rats, dogs, ants......People like and eat dairy products. They are one of the

best sources of protein, calcium, magnesium, etc.

Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...> wrote: The proteins that I

addressed were plant proteins not dairy products. No amino acids= no life, pure

and simple. Insufficient HCL= no breaking of the proteins into polypeptide

chains. No breaking into polypeptide chains= incomplete protein digestion and

amino acid deficiency not to mention the putrefaction in the lower bowel.

Since you brought the whole dairy issue up, what is not natural about

consuming dairy? Please don't fall back on the ludicrous fact that no other

animals consume milk all their lives. No other animal is capable of husbandry

(except for ants with aphids). If they were you can bet some would. We are not

talking about the consumption of same species mammary fluid here. The Masai of

Africa subsisted completely on a diet of cow's blood, milk, and urine very well

for thousands of years. Ayurveda uses much dairy and successfully so. Granted

there are many unhealthy things that we do to the dairy that change it's

structure, but there is nothing evil about the moderate consumption of

unpasteurized, and unhomogenized dairy; especially those that are cultured.

Please tell me the proper diet for a person of Eskimo heritage?

Please address the issue of pathogens and stomach ph.

----- Original Message -----

From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:21 AM

Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

this is were students of disagree with Hulda

I also found it to be true if your diet is alkalyne your stomach can

digest it without intense amount of hydrochloric acid

intresting enough hydrochloric acid is needed to digest milk and that is

why childrn have it the strongest in early years

but what animal besides humans stays on milk there whole life?

and what animals drink other animals milk?

Besides that a stomach that heals is able todo other functions that it

could not before that invovles detoxification and blood cleansing

of course if you drink cows milk and cheese you need hydrochloric acid

to digest it but it was never natural for you to eat that in the first

place

the benefits of abstaining from milk and cheese dairy and meat to heal

your body far out way using hydrochloric acid to digest them

amazing how far humans will goto to satisfy there lusts

they will continue until they put themselves in the box and pay for

there doctors childrens education and automobiles

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@...>>

> To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones@y\

ahoogroups.com<mailto:gallstones >>

> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:02 AM

> Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

>

>

> a liver friendly diet is alkalayne based and is easily digestable

> without hydrachloric acid

>

> - Absolutely not. Yes we need to consume a more alkaline diet

> but even in an alkaline diet we are going to have to consume foods

> that are both acid in nature and require an acid environment to

> digest. When you consume a meal of only vegetables you are correct

> that we do not need the HCL and that part of the process is skipped.

> To break down any protein and that includes vegetable proteins we must

> have the proper amount of HCL present.

>

> takeing hydrichloric acid defeats the entire purpose of the alkalyne

> based diet

>

> - Absolutely wrong. If you do not have a stomach acidity below

> (more acid) than ph 3 with proteins present; improper digestion

> occurs. Not to mention the bacteria and pathogens that are able to

> run the gauntlet of the most important part of the intestinal

> immunological defense: Stomach acidity.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey, Liz. I don't know where gets his info. Raw naturally

raised cow's and especially goat's milk is some of the best food any

of us could ever put in out body. There's lots of opinions out there,

but this is fact. The " raw " part of the statement above means that

the " digestion needs " are taken care of by the bacteria in the milk.

The modern pasturization and homogenization prevents the proper

digestion and makes the milk very hard if not impossible for the body

to use. No extra hydrochloric acid is needed to digest pure milk. It

is soothing and healing.

Best regards,

Vince

The proteins

that I addressed were plant proteins not dairy products. No amino

acids= no life, pure and simple. Insufficient HCL= no breaking of the

proteins into polypeptide chains. No breaking into polypeptide

chains= incomplete protein digestion and amino acid deficiency not to

mention the putrefaction in the lower bowel.

>

> Since you brought the whole dairy issue up, what is not natural

about consuming dairy? Please don't fall back on the ludicrous fact

that no other animals consume milk all their lives. No other animal

is capable of husbandry (except for ants with aphids). If they were

you can bet some would. We are not talking about the consumption of

same species mammary fluid here. The Masai of Africa subsisted

completely on a diet of cow's blood, milk, and urine very well for

thousands of years. Ayurveda uses much dairy and successfully so.

Granted there are many unhealthy things that we do to the dairy that

change it's structure, but there is nothing evil about the moderate

consumption of unpasteurized, and unhomogenized dairy; especially

those that are cultured.

>

> Please tell me the proper diet for a person of Eskimo heritage?

>

> Please address the issue of pathogens and stomach ph.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...>

> gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:21 AM

> Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

>

>

>

>

> this is were students of disagree with Hulda

>

> I also found it to be true if your diet is alkalyne your stomach can

> digest it without intense amount of hydrochloric acid

>

> intresting enough hydrochloric acid is needed to digest milk and

that is

> why childrn have it the strongest in early years

> but what animal besides humans stays on milk there whole life?

> and what animals drink other animals milk?

>

> Besides that a stomach that heals is able todo other functions

that it

> could not before that invovles detoxification and blood cleansing

>

> of course if you drink cows milk and cheese you need hydrochloric

acid

> to digest it but it was never natural for you to eat that in the

first

> place

>

> the benefits of abstaining from milk and cheese dairy and meat to

heal

> your body far out way using hydrochloric acid to digest them

>

> amazing how far humans will goto to satisfy there lusts

>

> they will continue until they put themselves in the box and pay for

> there doctors childrens education and automobiles

>

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@...>>

> > To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones@y\

ahoogroups.com<mailto:gallstones >>

> > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:02 AM

> > Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed

by pain

> >

> >

> > a liver friendly diet is alkalayne based and is easily digestable

> > without hydrachloric acid

> >

> > - Absolutely not. Yes we need to consume a more alkaline

diet

> > but even in an alkaline diet we are going to have to consume foods

> > that are both acid in nature and require an acid environment to

> > digest. When you consume a meal of only vegetables you are correct

> > that we do not need the HCL and that part of the process is

skipped.

> > To break down any protein and that includes vegetable proteins

we must

> > have the proper amount of HCL present.

> >

> > takeing hydrichloric acid defeats the entire purpose of the

alkalyne

> > based diet

> >

> > - Absolutely wrong. If you do not have a stomach acidity

below

> > (more acid) than ph 3 with proteins present; improper digestion

> > occurs. Not to mention the bacteria and pathogens that are able to

> > run the gauntlet of the most important part of the intestinal

> > immunological defense: Stomach acidity.

[Guest guest]

when your sick or detoxing abstaining from protein is most beneficial

especially when you have liver gallbladder damage

that is the fastest way to heal that is why prayer and fasting are in

the scripture. You can believe it or not but if you never do it

you will never know. And you will not get good results until the

previous damage done to your body is healed first. Your liver can not

detoxify the body until it is healed and your stomach can not purify

the blood till it is healed

Dave Shelden wrote:

> The proteins that I addressed were plant proteins not dairy

> products. No amino acids= no life, pure and simple. Insufficient

> HCL= no breaking of the proteins into polypeptide chains. No breaking

> into polypeptide chains= incomplete protein digestion and amino acid

> deficiency not to mention the putrefaction in the lower bowel.

>

> Since you brought the whole dairy issue up, what is not natural

> about consuming dairy? Please don't fall back on the ludicrous fact

> that no other animals consume milk all their lives. No other animal

> is capable of husbandry (except for ants with aphids). If they were

> you can bet some would. We are not talking about the consumption of

> same species mammary fluid here. The Masai of Africa subsisted

> completely on a diet of cow's blood, milk, and urine very well for

> thousands of years. Ayurveda uses much dairy and successfully so.

> Granted there are many unhealthy things that we do to the dairy that

> change it's structure, but there is nothing evil about the moderate

> consumption of unpasteurized, and unhomogenized dairy; especially

> those that are cultured.

>

> Please tell me the proper diet for a person of Eskimo heritage?

>

> Please address the issue of pathogens and stomach ph.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...>

> gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:21 AM

> Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

>

>

>

>

> this is were students of disagree with Hulda

>

> I also found it to be true if your diet is alkalyne your stomach can

> digest it without intense amount of hydrochloric acid

>

> intresting enough hydrochloric acid is needed to digest milk and

> that is

> why childrn have it the strongest in early years

> but what animal besides humans stays on milk there whole life?

> and what animals drink other animals milk?

>

> Besides that a stomach that heals is able todo other functions that it

> could not before that invovles detoxification and blood cleansing

>

> of course if you drink cows milk and cheese you need hydrochloric acid

> to digest it but it was never natural for you to eat that in the first

> place

>

> the benefits of abstaining from milk and cheese dairy and meat to heal

> your body far out way using hydrochloric acid to digest them

>

> amazing how far humans will goto to satisfy there lusts

>

> they will continue until they put themselves in the box and pay for

> there doctors childrens education and automobiles

>

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From:

> Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@...>>

> > To:

>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones@y\

ahoogroups.com<mailto:gallstones >>

> > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:02 AM

> > Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

> >

> >

> > a liver friendly diet is alkalayne based and is easily digestable

> > without hydrachloric acid

> >

> > - Absolutely not. Yes we need to consume a more alkaline diet

> > but even in an alkaline diet we are going to have to consume foods

> > that are both acid in nature and require an acid environment to

> > digest. When you consume a meal of only vegetables you are correct

> > that we do not need the HCL and that part of the process is skipped.

> > To break down any protein and that includes vegetable proteins we

> must

> > have the proper amount of HCL present.

> >

> > takeing hydrichloric acid defeats the entire purpose of the alkalyne

> > based diet

> >

> > - Absolutely wrong. If you do not have a stomach acidity below

> > (more acid) than ph 3 with proteins present; improper digestion

> > occurs. Not to mention the bacteria and pathogens that are able to

> > run the gauntlet of the most important part of the intestinal

> > immunological defense: Stomach acidity.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

well you will not heal faster if you do not abstain from dairy products

and the reason being would be that is food for all the bacteria and

virusus and also contributes to acidic buildup that causes much

diseases. Doctors use antibotics to kill bacteria and viruses but they

do not detoxify. It would be very foolish of me to use an

antibacterial toilet cleaner to clean my tiolet if I never flush my

tiolet, just adding something that kills bacteria is not beneficial if

you do not remove the bacteria and all the food it is feeding on . In

fact detoxification is so effective you do not need the antibacteria

agent. if you do not believe me do not flush your tiolet for 5 days

and continue to use it and use all the antibacterial cleaners you want

I gaurantee that your bathroom will stink and you will have a bacteria

and virus problem. It is much more effective to stop the toxins and

remove them or flush them out. And yes you can live without dairy

products and it does improve your health. Ice Cream is one of the most

toxic things you can eat. Besides that calcium deficient people and

those that have degenerative bone disease do not have there problem

from a lack of calcium there problem is because they consume to much

protein and acidic stuff and there body literaly uses its own bones to

keep the blood ph at a good level else they would have heart disease

problems instantly

yes the doctors and health professionals are morons today

they may as well drain peoples blood like they did to george

washington and wonder why he is dieing

but that is only half as dumb as chemotherapy and radiation

Liz Sapareto wrote:

> i NEVER HEARD OF AN EXPLANATION FOR WHY WE SHOULDN'T EAT DAIRY

> PRODUCTS SO RIDICULOUS IN MY LIFE. We are not animals we are humans

> quite a bit different from animals. We DO NOT have to be like animals

> and we do not have to eat like animals and frankly animal models are

> not a " good fit " to explain human dietary needs. You keep emphasizing

> " natural " natural for whom? Maybe not for hyenas, rats, dogs,

> ants......People like and eat dairy products. They are one of the

> best sources of protein, calcium, magnesium, etc.

>

> Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...> wrote: The proteins

> that I addressed were plant proteins not dairy products. No amino

> acids= no life, pure and simple. Insufficient HCL= no breaking of the

> proteins into polypeptide chains. No breaking into polypeptide

> chains= incomplete protein digestion and amino acid deficiency not to

> mention the putrefaction in the lower bowel.

>

> Since you brought the whole dairy issue up, what is not natural

> about consuming dairy? Please don't fall back on the ludicrous fact

> that no other animals consume milk all their lives. No other animal

> is capable of husbandry (except for ants with aphids). If they were

> you can bet some would. We are not talking about the consumption of

> same species mammary fluid here. The Masai of Africa subsisted

> completely on a diet of cow's blood, milk, and urine very well for

> thousands of years. Ayurveda uses much dairy and successfully so.

> Granted there are many unhealthy things that we do to the dairy that

> change it's structure, but there is nothing evil about the moderate

> consumption of unpasteurized, and unhomogenized dairy; especially

> those that are cultured.

>

> Please tell me the proper diet for a person of Eskimo heritage?

>

> Please address the issue of pathogens and stomach ph.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...>

> gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:21 AM

> Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

>

>

>

>

> this is were students of disagree with Hulda

>

> I also found it to be true if your diet is alkalyne your stomach can

> digest it without intense amount of hydrochloric acid

>

> intresting enough hydrochloric acid is needed to digest milk and

> that is

> why childrn have it the strongest in early years

> but what animal besides humans stays on milk there whole life?

> and what animals drink other animals milk?

>

> Besides that a stomach that heals is able todo other functions that it

> could not before that invovles detoxification and blood cleansing

>

> of course if you drink cows milk and cheese you need hydrochloric acid

> to digest it but it was never natural for you to eat that in the first

> place

>

> the benefits of abstaining from milk and cheese dairy and meat to heal

> your body far out way using hydrochloric acid to digest them

>

> amazing how far humans will goto to satisfy there lusts

>

> they will continue until they put themselves in the box and pay for

> there doctors childrens education and automobiles

>

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From:

> Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@...>>

> > To:

>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones@y\

ahoogroups.com<mailto:gallstones >>

> > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:02 AM

> > Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

> >

> >

> > a liver friendly diet is alkalayne based and is easily digestable

> > without hydrachloric acid

> >

> > - Absolutely not. Yes we need to consume a more alkaline diet

> > but even in an alkaline diet we are going to have to consume foods

> > that are both acid in nature and require an acid environment to

> > digest. When you consume a meal of only vegetables you are correct

> > that we do not need the HCL and that part of the process is skipped.

> > To break down any protein and that includes vegetable proteins we

> must

> > have the proper amount of HCL present.

> >

> > takeing hydrichloric acid defeats the entire purpose of the alkalyne

> > based diet

> >

> > - Absolutely wrong. If you do not have a stomach acidity below

> > (more acid) than ph 3 with proteins present; improper digestion

> > occurs. Not to mention the bacteria and pathogens that are able to

> > run the gauntlet of the most important part of the intestinal

> > immunological defense: Stomach acidity.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

raw cows milk is very healthy if your a cow

human milk is far easier to digest then cows milk

goats milk is better then cows milk but still harder to digest then

human milk

pasterized and homogenized milk is not worth much

of course if your sick or toxified with to much protein (fat obese)

then it is good to abstain from dairy

also if you want gallbladder and liver problems to heal abstaining from

dairy is one of the best things you can do

Vince Richter wrote:

> Hey, Liz. I don't know where gets his info. Raw naturally

> raised cow's and especially goat's milk is some of the best food any

> of us could ever put in out body. There's lots of opinions out there,

> but this is fact. The " raw " part of the statement above means that

> the " digestion needs " are taken care of by the bacteria in the milk.

> The modern pasturization and homogenization prevents the proper

> digestion and makes the milk very hard if not impossible for the body

> to use. No extra hydrochloric acid is needed to digest pure milk. It

> is soothing and healing.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vince

>

> The proteins

> that I addressed were plant proteins not dairy products. No amino

> acids= no life, pure and simple. Insufficient HCL= no breaking of the

> proteins into polypeptide chains. No breaking into polypeptide

> chains= incomplete protein digestion and amino acid deficiency not to

> mention the putrefaction in the lower bowel.

> >

> > Since you brought the whole dairy issue up, what is not natural

> about consuming dairy? Please don't fall back on the ludicrous fact

> that no other animals consume milk all their lives. No other animal

> is capable of husbandry (except for ants with aphids). If they were

> you can bet some would. We are not talking about the consumption of

> same species mammary fluid here. The Masai of Africa subsisted

> completely on a diet of cow's blood, milk, and urine very well for

> thousands of years. Ayurveda uses much dairy and successfully so.

> Granted there are many unhealthy things that we do to the dairy that

> change it's structure, but there is nothing evil about the moderate

> consumption of unpasteurized, and unhomogenized dairy; especially

> those that are cultured.

> >

> > Please tell me the proper diet for a person of Eskimo heritage?

> >

> > Please address the issue of pathogens and stomach ph.

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...>

> > gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:21 AM

> > Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > this is were students of disagree with Hulda

> >

> > I also found it to be true if your diet is alkalyne your stomach can

> > digest it without intense amount of hydrochloric acid

> >

> > intresting enough hydrochloric acid is needed to digest milk and

> that is

> > why childrn have it the strongest in early years

> > but what animal besides humans stays on milk there whole life?

> > and what animals drink other animals milk?

> >

> > Besides that a stomach that heals is able todo other functions

> that it

> > could not before that invovles detoxification and blood cleansing

> >

> > of course if you drink cows milk and cheese you need hydrochloric

> acid

> > to digest it but it was never natural for you to eat that in the

> first

> > place

> >

> > the benefits of abstaining from milk and cheese dairy and meat to

> heal

> > your body far out way using hydrochloric acid to digest them

> >

> > amazing how far humans will goto to satisfy there lusts

> >

> > they will continue until they put themselves in the box and pay for

> > there doctors childrens education and automobiles

> >

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@...>>

> > > To:

>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones@y\

ahoogroups.com<mailto:gallstones >>

> > > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:02 AM

> > > Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed

> by pain

> > >

> > >

> > > a liver friendly diet is alkalayne based and is easily digestable

> > > without hydrachloric acid

> > >

> > > - Absolutely not. Yes we need to consume a more alkaline

> diet

> > > but even in an alkaline diet we are going to have to consume foods

> > > that are both acid in nature and require an acid environment to

> > > digest. When you consume a meal of only vegetables you are correct

> > > that we do not need the HCL and that part of the process is

> skipped.

> > > To break down any protein and that includes vegetable proteins

> we must

> > > have the proper amount of HCL present.

> > >

> > > takeing hydrichloric acid defeats the entire purpose of the

> alkalyne

> > > based diet

> > >

> > > - Absolutely wrong. If you do not have a stomach acidity

> below

> > > (more acid) than ph 3 with proteins present; improper digestion

> > > occurs. Not to mention the bacteria and pathogens that are able to

> > > run the gauntlet of the most important part of the intestinal

> > > immunological defense: Stomach acidity.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Vince,

Thanks for your endorsement of my views about dairy products - milk and

cheese, yogurt. Dairy products are very important in human diet as sources of

many different minerals and vitamins. Raw milk even when tested, I wouldn't

recommend because bacertia and parasites still exist - I believe milk has to be

boiled to be safe. I even boil my pasturized milk for 10 seconds. Goat's milk

contains zero iron but I agree, is a great dairy product. Milk is not

indigestible unless you are lactose intolerant and manh people are, I am. So I

buy lactose free milk and it is delicious and digestible for me. Ice cream

unless home-made really is not good for us - but small amounts of it once in a

while but not often, like many other foods, is not going to be a health

disaster.

Liz

Vince Richter <new_man85@...> wrote:

Hey, Liz. I don't know where gets his info. Raw naturally

raised cow's and especially goat's milk is some of the best food any

of us could ever put in out body. There's lots of opinions out there,

but this is fact. The " raw " part of the statement above means that

the " digestion needs " are taken care of by the bacteria in the milk.

The modern pasturization and homogenization prevents the proper

digestion and makes the milk very hard if not impossible for the body

to use. No extra hydrochloric acid is needed to digest pure milk. It

is soothing and healing.

Best regards,

Vince

The proteins

that I addressed were plant proteins not dairy products. No amino

acids= no life, pure and simple. Insufficient HCL= no breaking of the

proteins into polypeptide chains. No breaking into polypeptide

chains= incomplete protein digestion and amino acid deficiency not to

mention the putrefaction in the lower bowel.

>

> Since you brought the whole dairy issue up, what is not natural

about consuming dairy? Please don't fall back on the ludicrous fact

that no other animals consume milk all their lives. No other animal

is capable of husbandry (except for ants with aphids). If they were

you can bet some would. We are not talking about the consumption of

same species mammary fluid here. The Masai of Africa subsisted

completely on a diet of cow's blood, milk, and urine very well for

thousands of years. Ayurveda uses much dairy and successfully so.

Granted there are many unhealthy things that we do to the dairy that

change it's structure, but there is nothing evil about the moderate

consumption of unpasteurized, and unhomogenized dairy; especially

those that are cultured.

>

> Please tell me the proper diet for a person of Eskimo heritage?

>

> Please address the issue of pathogens and stomach ph.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...>

> gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:21 AM

> Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

>

>

>

>

> this is were students of disagree with Hulda

>

> I also found it to be true if your diet is alkalyne your stomach can

> digest it without intense amount of hydrochloric acid

>

> intresting enough hydrochloric acid is needed to digest milk and

that is

> why childrn have it the strongest in early years

> but what animal besides humans stays on milk there whole life?

> and what animals drink other animals milk?

>

> Besides that a stomach that heals is able todo other functions

that it

> could not before that invovles detoxification and blood cleansing

>

> of course if you drink cows milk and cheese you need hydrochloric

acid

> to digest it but it was never natural for you to eat that in the

first

> place

>

> the benefits of abstaining from milk and cheese dairy and meat to

heal

> your body far out way using hydrochloric acid to digest them

>

> amazing how far humans will goto to satisfy there lusts

>

> they will continue until they put themselves in the box and pay for

> there doctors childrens education and automobiles

>

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@...>>

> > To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones@y\

ahoogroups.com<mailto:gallstones >>

> > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:02 AM

> > Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed

by pain

> >

> >

> > a liver friendly diet is alkalayne based and is easily digestable

> > without hydrachloric acid

> >

> > - Absolutely not. Yes we need to consume a more alkaline

diet

> > but even in an alkaline diet we are going to have to consume foods

> > that are both acid in nature and require an acid environment to

> > digest. When you consume a meal of only vegetables you are correct

> > that we do not need the HCL and that part of the process is

skipped.

> > To break down any protein and that includes vegetable proteins

we must

> > have the proper amount of HCL present.

> >

> > takeing hydrichloric acid defeats the entire purpose of the

alkalyne

> > based diet

> >

> > - Absolutely wrong. If you do not have a stomach acidity

below

> > (more acid) than ph 3 with proteins present; improper digestion

> > occurs. Not to mention the bacteria and pathogens that are able to

> > run the gauntlet of the most important part of the intestinal

> > immunological defense: Stomach acidity.

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I would have to disagree that milk has to be boiled to be safe. We have drank

quite a bit of raw goat's milk from our own goats here at our house with no

problems. I have a friend whose family has drunk raw goat's milk for years. Any

pasteurizing or other processing of milk kills its' beneficial bacteria,

enzymes, etc. It's true that you must be very careful when handling raw milk.

But our ancestors drank raw milk for centuries. And while it's true that there

were some milk-borne illnesses encountered on occasions, by and large the vast

majority of people survived just fine. We are not exactly hot-house plants who

can't handle any form of bacteria. I'm guessing that part of our health problems

these days is generated by the totally germ-free environments we try to fashion

for ourselves.

AMDG,

Colleen Kessler

----- Original Message -----

From: Liz Sapareto

gallstones

Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:05 AM

Subject: Re: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

Hi Vince,

Thanks for your endorsement of my views about dairy products - milk and

cheese, yogurt. Dairy products are very important in human diet as sources of

many different minerals and vitamins. Raw milk even when tested, I wouldn't

recommend because bacertia and parasites still exist - I believe milk has to be

boiled to be safe. I even boil my pasturized milk for 10 seconds. Goat's milk

contains zero iron but I agree, is a great dairy product. Milk is not

indigestible unless you are lactose intolerant and manh people are, I am. So I

buy lactose free milk and it is delicious and digestible for me. Ice cream

unless home-made really is not good for us - but small amounts of it once in a

while but not often, like many other foods, is not going to be a health

disaster.

Liz

Vince Richter <new_man85@...> wrote:

Hey, Liz. I don't know where gets his info. Raw naturally

raised cow's and especially goat's milk is some of the best food any

of us could ever put in out body. There's lots of opinions out there,

but this is fact. The " raw " part of the statement above means that

the " digestion needs " are taken care of by the bacteria in the milk.

The modern pasturization and homogenization prevents the proper

digestion and makes the milk very hard if not impossible for the body

to use. No extra hydrochloric acid is needed to digest pure milk. It

is soothing and healing.

Best regards,

Vince

The proteins

that I addressed were plant proteins not dairy products. No amino

acids= no life, pure and simple. Insufficient HCL= no breaking of the

proteins into polypeptide chains. No breaking into polypeptide

chains= incomplete protein digestion and amino acid deficiency not to

mention the putrefaction in the lower bowel.

>

> Since you brought the whole dairy issue up, what is not natural

about consuming dairy? Please don't fall back on the ludicrous fact

that no other animals consume milk all their lives. No other animal

is capable of husbandry (except for ants with aphids). If they were

you can bet some would. We are not talking about the consumption of

same species mammary fluid here. The Masai of Africa subsisted

completely on a diet of cow's blood, milk, and urine very well for

thousands of years. Ayurveda uses much dairy and successfully so.

Granted there are many unhealthy things that we do to the dairy that

change it's structure, but there is nothing evil about the moderate

consumption of unpasteurized, and unhomogenized dairy; especially

those that are cultured.

>

> Please tell me the proper diet for a person of Eskimo heritage?

>

> Please address the issue of pathogens and stomach ph.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...>

> gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:21 AM

> Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

>

>

>

>

> this is were students of disagree with Hulda

>

> I also found it to be true if your diet is alkalyne your stomach can

> digest it without intense amount of hydrochloric acid

>

> intresting enough hydrochloric acid is needed to digest milk and

that is

> why childrn have it the strongest in early years

> but what animal besides humans stays on milk there whole life?

> and what animals drink other animals milk?

>

> Besides that a stomach that heals is able todo other functions

that it

> could not before that invovles detoxification and blood cleansing

>

> of course if you drink cows milk and cheese you need hydrochloric

acid

> to digest it but it was never natural for you to eat that in the

first

> place

>

> the benefits of abstaining from milk and cheese dairy and meat to

heal

> your body far out way using hydrochloric acid to digest them

>

> amazing how far humans will goto to satisfy there lusts

>

> they will continue until they put themselves in the box and pay for

> there doctors childrens education and automobiles

>

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@...>>

> > To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones@y\

ahoogroups.com<mailto:gallstones >>

> > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:02 AM

> > Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed

by pain

> >

> >

> > a liver friendly diet is alkalayne based and is easily digestable

> > without hydrachloric acid

> >

> > - Absolutely not. Yes we need to consume a more alkaline

diet

> > but even in an alkaline diet we are going to have to consume foods

> > that are both acid in nature and require an acid environment to

> > digest. When you consume a meal of only vegetables you are correct

> > that we do not need the HCL and that part of the process is

skipped.

> > To break down any protein and that includes vegetable proteins

we must

> > have the proper amount of HCL present.

> >

> > takeing hydrichloric acid defeats the entire purpose of the

alkalyne

> > based diet

> >

> > - Absolutely wrong. If you do not have a stomach acidity

below

> > (more acid) than ph 3 with proteins present; improper digestion

> > occurs. Not to mention the bacteria and pathogens that are able to

> > run the gauntlet of the most important part of the intestinal

> > immunological defense: Stomach acidity.

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My view has to do with not haveing dairy when you are sick and want

to heal from gallbladder and liver infection

I bet almost everyone who has liver and gallbladder problems can relate

to eating and drinking dairy products

that should tell you something

Tony Kessler wrote:

> I would have to disagree that milk has to be boiled to be safe. We

> have drank quite a bit of raw goat's milk from our own goats here at

> our house with no problems. I have a friend whose family has drunk raw

> goat's milk for years. Any pasteurizing or other processing of milk

> kills its' beneficial bacteria, enzymes, etc. It's true that you must

> be very careful when handling raw milk. But our ancestors drank raw

> milk for centuries. And while it's true that there were some

> milk-borne illnesses encountered on occasions, by and large the vast

> majority of people survived just fine. We are not exactly hot-house

> plants who can't handle any form of bacteria. I'm guessing that part

> of our health problems these days is generated by the totally

> germ-free environments we try to fashion for ourselves.

>

>

> AMDG,

> Colleen Kessler

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Liz Sapareto

> gallstones

> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:05 AM

> Subject: Re: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

>

>

> Hi Vince,

> Thanks for your endorsement of my views about dairy products -

> milk and cheese, yogurt. Dairy products are very important in human

> diet as sources of many different minerals and vitamins. Raw milk

> even when tested, I wouldn't recommend because bacertia and parasites

> still exist - I believe milk has to be boiled to be safe. I even boil

> my pasturized milk for 10 seconds. Goat's milk contains zero iron but

> I agree, is a great dairy product. Milk is not indigestible unless

> you are lactose intolerant and manh people are, I am. So I buy

> lactose free milk and it is delicious and digestible for me. Ice

> cream unless home-made really is not good for us - but small amounts

> of it once in a while but not often, like many other foods, is not

> going to be a health disaster.

> Liz

> Vince Richter <new_man85@...> wrote:

> Hey, Liz. I don't know where gets his info. Raw naturally

> raised cow's and especially goat's milk is some of the best food any

> of us could ever put in out body. There's lots of opinions out there,

> but this is fact. The " raw " part of the statement above means that

> the " digestion needs " are taken care of by the bacteria in the milk.

> The modern pasturization and homogenization prevents the proper

> digestion and makes the milk very hard if not impossible for the body

> to use. No extra hydrochloric acid is needed to digest pure milk. It

> is soothing and healing.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vince

>

> The proteins

> that I addressed were plant proteins not dairy products. No amino

> acids= no life, pure and simple. Insufficient HCL= no breaking of the

> proteins into polypeptide chains. No breaking into polypeptide

> chains= incomplete protein digestion and amino acid deficiency not to

> mention the putrefaction in the lower bowel.

> >

> > Since you brought the whole dairy issue up, what is not natural

> about consuming dairy? Please don't fall back on the ludicrous fact

> that no other animals consume milk all their lives. No other animal

> is capable of husbandry (except for ants with aphids). If they were

> you can bet some would. We are not talking about the consumption of

> same species mammary fluid here. The Masai of Africa subsisted

> completely on a diet of cow's blood, milk, and urine very well for

> thousands of years. Ayurveda uses much dairy and successfully so.

> Granted there are many unhealthy things that we do to the dairy that

> change it's structure, but there is nothing evil about the moderate

> consumption of unpasteurized, and unhomogenized dairy; especially

> those that are cultured.

> >

> > Please tell me the proper diet for a person of Eskimo heritage?

> >

> > Please address the issue of pathogens and stomach ph.

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...>

> > gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:21 AM

> > Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > this is were students of disagree with Hulda

>

> >

> > I also found it to be true if your diet is alkalyne your

> stomach can

> > digest it without intense amount of hydrochloric acid

> >

> > intresting enough hydrochloric acid is needed to digest milk and

> that is

> > why childrn have it the strongest in early years

> > but what animal besides humans stays on milk there whole life?

> > and what animals drink other animals milk?

> >

> > Besides that a stomach that heals is able todo other functions

> that it

> > could not before that invovles detoxification and blood cleansing

> >

> > of course if you drink cows milk and cheese you need hydrochloric

> acid

> > to digest it but it was never natural for you to eat that in the

> first

> > place

> >

> > the benefits of abstaining from milk and cheese dairy and meat to

> heal

> > your body far out way using hydrochloric acid to digest them

> >

> > amazing how far humans will goto to satisfy there lusts

> >

> > they will continue until they put themselves in the box and

> pay for

> > there doctors childrens education and automobiles

> >

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@...>>

> > > To:

>

>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones@y\

ahoogroups.com<mailto:gallstones >>

> > > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:02 AM

> > > Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed

> by pain

> > >

> > >

> > > a liver friendly diet is alkalayne based and is easily

> digestable

> > > without hydrachloric acid

> > >

> > > - Absolutely not. Yes we need to consume a more alkaline

> diet

> > > but even in an alkaline diet we are going to have to consume

> foods

> > > that are both acid in nature and require an acid environment to

> > > digest. When you consume a meal of only vegetables you are

> correct

> > > that we do not need the HCL and that part of the process is

> skipped.

> > > To break down any protein and that includes vegetable proteins

> we must

> > > have the proper amount of HCL present.

> > >

> > > takeing hydrichloric acid defeats the entire purpose of the

> alkalyne

> > > based diet

> > >

> > > - Absolutely wrong. If you do not have a stomach acidity

> below

> > > (more acid) than ph 3 with proteins present; improper digestion

> > > occurs. Not to mention the bacteria and pathogens that are

> able to

> > > run the gauntlet of the most important part of the intestinal

> > > immunological defense: Stomach acidity.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Actually, my comments were directed to the message directly below mine. I was

not responding to your post. I have no interest in debating you as to whether or

not a person should stop eating dairy products when they have a gallbladder

problem. I was simply making a statement regarding raw milk. It is two different

subjects.

Colleen

----- Original Message -----

From: Belskis

gallstones

Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 11:07 AM

Subject: Re: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

My view has to do with not haveing dairy when you are sick and want

to heal from gallbladder and liver infection

I bet almost everyone who has liver and gallbladder problems can relate

to eating and drinking dairy products

that should tell you something

Tony Kessler wrote:

> I would have to disagree that milk has to be boiled to be safe. We

> have drank quite a bit of raw goat's milk from our own goats here at

> our house with no problems. I have a friend whose family has drunk raw

> goat's milk for years. Any pasteurizing or other processing of milk

> kills its' beneficial bacteria, enzymes, etc. It's true that you must

> be very careful when handling raw milk. But our ancestors drank raw

> milk for centuries. And while it's true that there were some

> milk-borne illnesses encountered on occasions, by and large the vast

> majority of people survived just fine. We are not exactly hot-house

> plants who can't handle any form of bacteria. I'm guessing that part

> of our health problems these days is generated by the totally

> germ-free environments we try to fashion for ourselves.

>

>

> AMDG,

> Colleen Kessler

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Liz Sapareto

> gallstones

> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:05 AM

> Subject: Re: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

>

>

> Hi Vince,

> Thanks for your endorsement of my views about dairy products -

> milk and cheese, yogurt. Dairy products are very important in human

> diet as sources of many different minerals and vitamins. Raw milk

> even when tested, I wouldn't recommend because bacertia and parasites

> still exist - I believe milk has to be boiled to be safe. I even boil

> my pasturized milk for 10 seconds. Goat's milk contains zero iron but

> I agree, is a great dairy product. Milk is not indigestible unless

> you are lactose intolerant and manh people are, I am. So I buy

> lactose free milk and it is delicious and digestible for me. Ice

> cream unless home-made really is not good for us - but small amounts

> of it once in a while but not often, like many other foods, is not

> going to be a health disaster.

> Liz

> Vince Richter <new_man85@...> wrote:

> Hey, Liz. I don't know where gets his info. Raw naturally

> raised cow's and especially goat's milk is some of the best food any

> of us could ever put in out body. There's lots of opinions out there,

> but this is fact. The " raw " part of the statement above means that

> the " digestion needs " are taken care of by the bacteria in the milk.

> The modern pasturization and homogenization prevents the proper

> digestion and makes the milk very hard if not impossible for the body

> to use. No extra hydrochloric acid is needed to digest pure milk. It

> is soothing and healing.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vince

>

> The proteins

> that I addressed were plant proteins not dairy products. No amino

> acids= no life, pure and simple. Insufficient HCL= no breaking of the

> proteins into polypeptide chains. No breaking into polypeptide

> chains= incomplete protein digestion and amino acid deficiency not to

> mention the putrefaction in the lower bowel.

> >

> > Since you brought the whole dairy issue up, what is not natural

> about consuming dairy? Please don't fall back on the ludicrous fact

> that no other animals consume milk all their lives. No other animal

> is capable of husbandry (except for ants with aphids). If they were

> you can bet some would. We are not talking about the consumption of

> same species mammary fluid here. The Masai of Africa subsisted

> completely on a diet of cow's blood, milk, and urine very well for

> thousands of years. Ayurveda uses much dairy and successfully so.

> Granted there are many unhealthy things that we do to the dairy that

> change it's structure, but there is nothing evil about the moderate

> consumption of unpasteurized, and unhomogenized dairy; especially

> those that are cultured.

> >

> > Please tell me the proper diet for a person of Eskimo heritage?

> >

> > Please address the issue of pathogens and stomach ph.

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...>

> > gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:21 AM

> > Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > this is were students of disagree with Hulda

>

> >

> > I also found it to be true if your diet is alkalyne your

> stomach can

> > digest it without intense amount of hydrochloric acid

> >

> > intresting enough hydrochloric acid is needed to digest milk and

> that is

> > why childrn have it the strongest in early years

> > but what animal besides humans stays on milk there whole life?

> > and what animals drink other animals milk?

> >

> > Besides that a stomach that heals is able todo other functions

> that it

> > could not before that invovles detoxification and blood cleansing

> >

> > of course if you drink cows milk and cheese you need hydrochloric

> acid

> > to digest it but it was never natural for you to eat that in the

> first

> > place

> >

> > the benefits of abstaining from milk and cheese dairy and meat to

> heal

> > your body far out way using hydrochloric acid to digest them

> >

> > amazing how far humans will goto to satisfy there lusts

> >

> > they will continue until they put themselves in the box and

> pay for

> > there doctors childrens education and automobiles

> >

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@...>>

> > > To:

>

>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones@y\

ahoogroups.com<mailto:gallstones >>

> > > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:02 AM

> > > Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed

> by pain

> > >

> > >

> > > a liver friendly diet is alkalayne based and is easily

> digestable

> > > without hydrachloric acid

> > >

> > > - Absolutely not. Yes we need to consume a more alkaline

> diet

> > > but even in an alkaline diet we are going to have to consume

> foods

> > > that are both acid in nature and require an acid environment to

> > > digest. When you consume a meal of only vegetables you are

> correct

> > > that we do not need the HCL and that part of the process is

> skipped.

> > > To break down any protein and that includes vegetable proteins

> we must

> > > have the proper amount of HCL present.

> > >

> > > takeing hydrichloric acid defeats the entire purpose of the

> alkalyne

> > > based diet

> > >

> > > - Absolutely wrong. If you do not have a stomach acidity

> below

> > > (more acid) than ph 3 with proteins present; improper digestion

> > > occurs. Not to mention the bacteria and pathogens that are

> able to

> > > run the gauntlet of the most important part of the intestinal

> > > immunological defense: Stomach acidity.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

, are you there? You still have not addressed the issues at hand. They

are, so there is no misunderstanding: Digestion of plant source proteins. The

possible effects of eliminating all protein from your diet. Pathogen defense

and stomach acidity. The basis for the viewpoint that the consumption of a

moderate amount of unhomogenized, unpasteurized, organic and potentially

cultured dairy.

Now let us add your latest statement about the stomach purifying the blood.

Please explain the biochemical and physiological mechanics of how the stomach

purifies the blood; I am seemingly ignorant to this very important function.

Thank you. -Always, in all ways, -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 6:16 AM

Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

when your sick or detoxing abstaining from protein is most beneficial

especially when you have liver gallbladder damage

that is the fastest way to heal that is why prayer and fasting are in

the scripture. You can believe it or not but if you never do it

you will never know. And you will not get good results until the

previous damage done to your body is healed first. Your liver can not

detoxify the body until it is healed and your stomach can not purify

the blood till it is healed

Dave Shelden wrote:

> The proteins that I addressed were plant proteins not dairy

> products. No amino acids= no life, pure and simple. Insufficient

> HCL= no breaking of the proteins into polypeptide chains. No breaking

> into polypeptide chains= incomplete protein digestion and amino acid

> deficiency not to mention the putrefaction in the lower bowel.

>

> Since you brought the whole dairy issue up, what is not natural

> about consuming dairy? Please don't fall back on the ludicrous fact

> that no other animals consume milk all their lives. No other animal

> is capable of husbandry (except for ants with aphids). If they were

> you can bet some would. We are not talking about the consumption of

> same species mammary fluid here. The Masai of Africa subsisted

> completely on a diet of cow's blood, milk, and urine very well for

> thousands of years. Ayurveda uses much dairy and successfully so.

> Granted there are many unhealthy things that we do to the dairy that

> change it's structure, but there is nothing evil about the moderate

> consumption of unpasteurized, and unhomogenized dairy; especially

> those that are cultured.

>

> Please tell me the proper diet for a person of Eskimo heritage?

>

> Please address the issue of pathogens and stomach ph.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@...>>

> To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones@y\

ahoogroups.com<mailto:gallstones >>

> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:21 AM

> Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

>

>

>

>

> this is were students of disagree with Hulda

>

> I also found it to be true if your diet is alkalyne your stomach can

> digest it without intense amount of hydrochloric acid

>

> intresting enough hydrochloric acid is needed to digest milk and

> that is

> why childrn have it the strongest in early years

> but what animal besides humans stays on milk there whole life?

> and what animals drink other animals milk?

>

> Besides that a stomach that heals is able todo other functions that it

> could not before that invovles detoxification and blood cleansing

>

> of course if you drink cows milk and cheese you need hydrochloric acid

> to digest it but it was never natural for you to eat that in the first

> place

>

> the benefits of abstaining from milk and cheese dairy and meat to heal

> your body far out way using hydrochloric acid to digest them

>

> amazing how far humans will goto to satisfy there lusts

>

> they will continue until they put themselves in the box and pay for

> there doctors childrens education and automobiles

>

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From:

>

Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@jun\

o.com<mailto:brian0017@...>>>

> > To:

>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones@y\

ahoogroups.com<mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones@...\

om<mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones <mailto:ga\

llstones >>>

> > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:02 AM

> > Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

> >

> >

> > a liver friendly diet is alkalayne based and is easily digestable

> > without hydrachloric acid

> >

> > - Absolutely not. Yes we need to consume a more alkaline diet

> > but even in an alkaline diet we are going to have to consume foods

> > that are both acid in nature and require an acid environment to

> > digest. When you consume a meal of only vegetables you are correct

> > that we do not need the HCL and that part of the process is skipped.

> > To break down any protein and that includes vegetable proteins we

> must

> > have the proper amount of HCL present.

> >

> > takeing hydrichloric acid defeats the entire purpose of the alkalyne

> > based diet

> >

> > - Absolutely wrong. If you do not have a stomach acidity below

> > (more acid) than ph 3 with proteins present; improper digestion

> > occurs. Not to mention the bacteria and pathogens that are able to

> > run the gauntlet of the most important part of the intestinal

> > immunological defense: Stomach acidity.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I would never recommend for anyone tobe off protein for the rest of

your life

but I would recommend for people who have been on a highprotein diet to

there destruction to abtain from protein

and if you want to learn about your stomachs ability to purify the blood

I recommend the orange juice fast that i previously recommended to you

once your stomach is healed from its previous damage you will see this

take effect and you also will

see a 5x increase in your red blood cell count it may take 7,14,21,28

or 40 days depending on how damaged your organs are

fasting is the bodys repair ability to regenerate itself oddly too much

food prevents and is totaly contrary to popular understanding

to stop eating when your sick yet fasting can easily put much of the

medical community out of buisness especially fungus overmanefestation

problems (the C word).

eating nothing but oranges and fresh squeezed organic orange juice would

be a mono diet

and is a very effective way to fast drinking home distilled water

mixed 50/ 50 with fresh squeezed organic orange juice is recommended

And most people will never see or believe this as to believe you

would have to do it and itis much easier to dismiss this as

crazy and continue to eat whatever you want.

As far as ph and pathogen defense anyone who ever owned a pool

understands when the ph is on the alkalyne side

just above 7.0 that the water is crystal clear and pathogen and algae

is not a problem .but when the ph goes on the acidic side

fungus (the cause of the c word)and algae and pathogens are

uncontrolable until the ph is back into an alkayne state.

Our bodys are no diffrent good health is not possible with an acidic ph

stomach acid is needed to digest proteins but our body can make protein

without consuming protein

and to think that our body uses pig or cow protein to make human protein

is foolish

the amount of protein humans need is probably 3% of what americans

typically eat in there diet

Dave Shelden wrote:

> , are you there? You still have not addressed the issues at

> hand. They are, so there is no misunderstanding: Digestion of plant

> source proteins. The possible effects of eliminating all protein from

> your diet. Pathogen defense and stomach acidity. The basis for the

> viewpoint that the consumption of a moderate amount of unhomogenized,

> unpasteurized, organic and potentially cultured dairy.

>

> Now let us add your latest statement about the stomach purifying

> the blood. Please explain the biochemical and physiological mechanics

> of how the stomach purifies the blood; I am seemingly ignorant to this

> very important function. Thank you. -Always, in all ways, -Dave

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...>

> gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 6:16 AM

> Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

>

>

> when your sick or detoxing abstaining from protein is most beneficial

> especially when you have liver gallbladder damage

>

> that is the fastest way to heal that is why prayer and fasting are in

> the scripture. You can believe it or not but if you never do it

> you will never know. And you will not get good results until the

> previous damage done to your body is healed first. Your liver can not

> detoxify the body until it is healed and your stomach can not purify

> the blood till it is healed

>

>

>

> Dave Shelden wrote:

>

> > The proteins that I addressed were plant proteins not dairy

> > products. No amino acids= no life, pure and simple. Insufficient

> > HCL= no breaking of the proteins into polypeptide chains. No

> breaking

> > into polypeptide chains= incomplete protein digestion and amino acid

> > deficiency not to mention the putrefaction in the lower bowel.

> >

> > Since you brought the whole dairy issue up, what is not natural

> > about consuming dairy? Please don't fall back on the ludicrous fact

> > that no other animals consume milk all their lives. No other animal

> > is capable of husbandry (except for ants with aphids). If they were

> > you can bet some would. We are not talking about the consumption of

> > same species mammary fluid here. The Masai of Africa subsisted

> > completely on a diet of cow's blood, milk, and urine very well for

> > thousands of years. Ayurveda uses much dairy and successfully so.

> > Granted there are many unhealthy things that we do to the dairy that

> > change it's structure, but there is nothing evil about the moderate

> > consumption of unpasteurized, and unhomogenized dairy; especially

> > those that are cultured.

> >

> > Please tell me the proper diet for a person of Eskimo heritage?

> >

> > Please address the issue of pathogens and stomach ph.

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From:

> Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@...>>

> > To:

>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones@y\

ahoogroups.com<mailto:gallstones >>

> > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:21 AM

> > Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > this is were students of disagree with Hulda

>

> >

> > I also found it to be true if your diet is alkalyne your

> stomach can

> > digest it without intense amount of hydrochloric acid

> >

> > intresting enough hydrochloric acid is needed to digest milk and

> > that is

> > why childrn have it the strongest in early years

> > but what animal besides humans stays on milk there whole life?

> > and what animals drink other animals milk?

> >

> > Besides that a stomach that heals is able todo other functions

> that it

> > could not before that invovles detoxification and blood cleansing

> >

> > of course if you drink cows milk and cheese you need

> hydrochloric acid

> > to digest it but it was never natural for you to eat that in the

> first

> > place

> >

> > the benefits of abstaining from milk and cheese dairy and meat

> to heal

> > your body far out way using hydrochloric acid to digest them

> >

> > amazing how far humans will goto to satisfy there lusts

> >

> > they will continue until they put themselves in the box and

> pay for

> > there doctors childrens education and automobiles

> >

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > From:

> >

>

Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@jun\

o.com<mailto:brian0017@...>>>

> > > To:

> >

>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones@y\

ahoogroups.com<mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones@...\

om<mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones <mailto:ga\

llstones >>>

> > > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:02 AM

> > > Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed

> by pain

> > >

> > >

> > > a liver friendly diet is alkalayne based and is easily

> digestable

> > > without hydrachloric acid

> > >

> > > - Absolutely not. Yes we need to consume a more

> alkaline diet

> > > but even in an alkaline diet we are going to have to consume foods

> > > that are both acid in nature and require an acid environment to

> > > digest. When you consume a meal of only vegetables you are

> correct

> > > that we do not need the HCL and that part of the process is

> skipped.

> > > To break down any protein and that includes vegetable proteins we

> > must

> > > have the proper amount of HCL present.

> > >

> > > takeing hydrichloric acid defeats the entire purpose of the

> alkalyne

> > > based diet

> > >

> > > - Absolutely wrong. If you do not have a stomach

> acidity below

> > > (more acid) than ph 3 with proteins present; improper digestion

> > > occurs. Not to mention the bacteria and pathogens that are

> able to

> > > run the gauntlet of the most important part of the intestinal

> > > immunological defense: Stomach acidity.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

There are a lot of things a person who is toxic and needs cleansing

should do that don't apply to everyone. We must agree to disagree and

leave it at that. Raw cow's and goat's milk is good for humans in

general. Finding a few exceptions to a general rule doesn't negate

the general rule.

Vince

The proteins

> > that I addressed were plant proteins not dairy products. No amino

> > acids= no life, pure and simple. Insufficient HCL= no breaking of the

> > proteins into polypeptide chains. No breaking into polypeptide

> > chains= incomplete protein digestion and amino acid deficiency not to

> > mention the putrefaction in the lower bowel.

> > >

> > > Since you brought the whole dairy issue up, what is not natural

> > about consuming dairy? Please don't fall back on the ludicrous fact

> > that no other animals consume milk all their lives. No other animal

> > is capable of husbandry (except for ants with aphids). If they were

> > you can bet some would. We are not talking about the consumption of

> > same species mammary fluid here. The Masai of Africa subsisted

> > completely on a diet of cow's blood, milk, and urine very well for

> > thousands of years. Ayurveda uses much dairy and successfully so.

> > Granted there are many unhealthy things that we do to the dairy that

> > change it's structure, but there is nothing evil about the moderate

> > consumption of unpasteurized, and unhomogenized dairy; especially

> > those that are cultured.

> > >

> > > Please tell me the proper diet for a person of Eskimo heritage?

> > >

> > > Please address the issue of pathogens and stomach ph.

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@>

> > > gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:21 AM

> > > Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed

by pain

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > this is were students of disagree with

Hulda

> > >

> > > I also found it to be true if your diet is alkalyne your

stomach can

> > > digest it without intense amount of hydrochloric acid

> > >

> > > intresting enough hydrochloric acid is needed to digest milk and

> > that is

> > > why childrn have it the strongest in early years

> > > but what animal besides humans stays on milk there whole life?

> > > and what animals drink other animals milk?

> > >

> > > Besides that a stomach that heals is able todo other functions

> > that it

> > > could not before that invovles detoxification and blood cleansing

> > >

> > > of course if you drink cows milk and cheese you need hydrochloric

> > acid

> > > to digest it but it was never natural for you to eat that in the

> > first

> > > place

> > >

> > > the benefits of abstaining from milk and cheese dairy and meat to

> > heal

> > > your body far out way using hydrochloric acid to digest them

> > >

> > > amazing how far humans will goto to satisfy there lusts

> > >

> > > they will continue until they put themselves in the box and

pay for

> > > there doctors childrens education and automobiles

[Guest guest]

I though algae and fungus etc. grow in an alkaline state, not acidic - that is

why chlorine is put into swimming pools to kill algae, no? somebody who knows

chemistry respond

Belskis <brian0017@...> wrote:

I would never recommend for anyone tobe off protein for the rest of

your life

but I would recommend for people who have been on a highprotein diet to

there destruction to abtain from protein

and if you want to learn about your stomachs ability to purify the blood

I recommend the orange juice fast that i previously recommended to you

once your stomach is healed from its previous damage you will see this

take effect and you also will

see a 5x increase in your red blood cell count it may take 7,14,21,28

or 40 days depending on how damaged your organs are

fasting is the bodys repair ability to regenerate itself oddly too much

food prevents and is totaly contrary to popular understanding

to stop eating when your sick yet fasting can easily put much of the

medical community out of buisness especially fungus overmanefestation

problems (the C word).

eating nothing but oranges and fresh squeezed organic orange juice would

be a mono diet

and is a very effective way to fast drinking home distilled water

mixed 50/ 50 with fresh squeezed organic orange juice is recommended

And most people will never see or believe this as to believe you

would have to do it and itis much easier to dismiss this as

crazy and continue to eat whatever you want.

As far as ph and pathogen defense anyone who ever owned a pool

understands when the ph is on the alkalyne side

just above 7.0 that the water is crystal clear and pathogen and algae

is not a problem .but when the ph goes on the acidic side

fungus (the cause of the c word)and algae and pathogens are

uncontrolable until the ph is back into an alkayne state.

Our bodys are no diffrent good health is not possible with an acidic ph

stomach acid is needed to digest proteins but our body can make protein

without consuming protein

and to think that our body uses pig or cow protein to make human protein

is foolish

the amount of protein humans need is probably 3% of what americans

typically eat in there diet

Dave Shelden wrote:

> , are you there? You still have not addressed the issues at

> hand. They are, so there is no misunderstanding: Digestion of plant

> source proteins. The possible effects of eliminating all protein from

> your diet. Pathogen defense and stomach acidity. The basis for the

> viewpoint that the consumption of a moderate amount of unhomogenized,

> unpasteurized, organic and potentially cultured dairy.

>

> Now let us add your latest statement about the stomach purifying

> the blood. Please explain the biochemical and physiological mechanics

> of how the stomach purifies the blood; I am seemingly ignorant to this

> very important function. Thank you. -Always, in all ways, -Dave

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...>

> gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 6:16 AM

> Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

>

>

> when your sick or detoxing abstaining from protein is most beneficial

> especially when you have liver gallbladder damage

>

> that is the fastest way to heal that is why prayer and fasting are in

> the scripture. You can believe it or not but if you never do it

> you will never know. And you will not get good results until the

> previous damage done to your body is healed first. Your liver can not

> detoxify the body until it is healed and your stomach can not purify

> the blood till it is healed

>

>

>

> Dave Shelden wrote:

>

> > The proteins that I addressed were plant proteins not dairy

> > products. No amino acids= no life, pure and simple. Insufficient

> > HCL= no breaking of the proteins into polypeptide chains. No

> breaking

> > into polypeptide chains= incomplete protein digestion and amino acid

> > deficiency not to mention the putrefaction in the lower bowel.

> >

> > Since you brought the whole dairy issue up, what is not natural

> > about consuming dairy? Please don't fall back on the ludicrous fact

> > that no other animals consume milk all their lives. No other animal

> > is capable of husbandry (except for ants with aphids). If they were

> > you can bet some would. We are not talking about the consumption of

> > same species mammary fluid here. The Masai of Africa subsisted

> > completely on a diet of cow's blood, milk, and urine very well for

> > thousands of years. Ayurveda uses much dairy and successfully so.

> > Granted there are many unhealthy things that we do to the dairy that

> > change it's structure, but there is nothing evil about the moderate

> > consumption of unpasteurized, and unhomogenized dairy; especially

> > those that are cultured.

> >

> > Please tell me the proper diet for a person of Eskimo heritage?

> >

> > Please address the issue of pathogens and stomach ph.

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From:

> Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@...>>

> > To:

>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones@y\

ahoogroups.com<mailto:gallstones >>

> > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:21 AM

> > Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > this is were students of disagree with Hulda

>

> >

> > I also found it to be true if your diet is alkalyne your

> stomach can

> > digest it without intense amount of hydrochloric acid

> >

> > intresting enough hydrochloric acid is needed to digest milk and

> > that is

> > why childrn have it the strongest in early years

> > but what animal besides humans stays on milk there whole life?

> > and what animals drink other animals milk?

> >

> > Besides that a stomach that heals is able todo other functions

> that it

> > could not before that invovles detoxification and blood cleansing

> >

> > of course if you drink cows milk and cheese you need

> hydrochloric acid

> > to digest it but it was never natural for you to eat that in the

> first

> > place

> >

> > the benefits of abstaining from milk and cheese dairy and meat

> to heal

> > your body far out way using hydrochloric acid to digest them

> >

> > amazing how far humans will goto to satisfy there lusts

> >

> > they will continue until they put themselves in the box and

> pay for

> > there doctors childrens education and automobiles

> >

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > From:

> >

>

Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@jun\

o.com<mailto:brian0017@...>>>

> > > To:

> >

>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones@y\

ahoogroups.com<mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones@...\

om<mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones <mailto:ga\

llstones >>>

> > > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:02 AM

> > > Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed

> by pain

> > >

> > >

> > > a liver friendly diet is alkalayne based and is easily

> digestable

> > > without hydrachloric acid

> > >

> > > - Absolutely not. Yes we need to consume a more

> alkaline diet

> > > but even in an alkaline diet we are going to have to consume foods

> > > that are both acid in nature and require an acid environment to

> > > digest. When you consume a meal of only vegetables you are

> correct

> > > that we do not need the HCL and that part of the process is

> skipped.

> > > To break down any protein and that includes vegetable proteins we

> > must

> > > have the proper amount of HCL present.

> > >

> > > takeing hydrichloric acid defeats the entire purpose of the

> alkalyne

> > > based diet

> > >

> > > - Absolutely wrong. If you do not have a stomach

> acidity below

> > > (more acid) than ph 3 with proteins present; improper digestion

> > > occurs. Not to mention the bacteria and pathogens that are

> able to

> > > run the gauntlet of the most important part of the intestinal

> > > immunological defense: Stomach acidity.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

take your chances with raw milk - depends on the dairy I am sure some are

careful, but not perfect, errors happen. but most of all -- depends on the

health of the animal producing the milk. There is too little control over raw

milk products, even when tested. Too risky in my opinion, but healthy, sure

thing, the best.

Tony Kessler <tcjak86@...> wrote: I would have to disagree that milk

has to be boiled to be safe. We have drank quite a bit of raw goat's milk from

our own goats here at our house with no problems. I have a friend whose family

has drunk raw goat's milk for years. Any pasteurizing or other processing of

milk kills its' beneficial bacteria, enzymes, etc. It's true that you must be

very careful when handling raw milk. But our ancestors drank raw milk for

centuries. And while it's true that there were some milk-borne illnesses

encountered on occasions, by and large the vast majority of people survived just

fine. We are not exactly hot-house plants who can't handle any form of

bacteria. I'm guessing that part of our health problems these days is generated

by the totally germ-free environments we try to fashion for ourselves.

AMDG,

Colleen Kessler

----- Original Message -----

From: Liz Sapareto

gallstones

Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:05 AM

Subject: Re: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

Hi Vince,

Thanks for your endorsement of my views about dairy products - milk and

cheese, yogurt. Dairy products are very important in human diet as sources of

many different minerals and vitamins. Raw milk even when tested, I wouldn't

recommend because bacertia and parasites still exist - I believe milk has to be

boiled to be safe. I even boil my pasturized milk for 10 seconds. Goat's milk

contains zero iron but I agree, is a great dairy product. Milk is not

indigestible unless you are lactose intolerant and manh people are, I am. So I

buy lactose free milk and it is delicious and digestible for me. Ice cream

unless home-made really is not good for us - but small amounts of it once in a

while but not often, like many other foods, is not going to be a health

disaster.

Liz

Vince Richter <new_man85@...> wrote:

Hey, Liz. I don't know where gets his info. Raw naturally

raised cow's and especially goat's milk is some of the best food any

of us could ever put in out body. There's lots of opinions out there,

but this is fact. The " raw " part of the statement above means that

the " digestion needs " are taken care of by the bacteria in the milk.

The modern pasturization and homogenization prevents the proper

digestion and makes the milk very hard if not impossible for the body

to use. No extra hydrochloric acid is needed to digest pure milk. It

is soothing and healing.

Best regards,

Vince

The proteins

that I addressed were plant proteins not dairy products. No amino

acids= no life, pure and simple. Insufficient HCL= no breaking of the

proteins into polypeptide chains. No breaking into polypeptide

chains= incomplete protein digestion and amino acid deficiency not to

mention the putrefaction in the lower bowel.

>

> Since you brought the whole dairy issue up, what is not natural

about consuming dairy? Please don't fall back on the ludicrous fact

that no other animals consume milk all their lives. No other animal

is capable of husbandry (except for ants with aphids). If they were

you can bet some would. We are not talking about the consumption of

same species mammary fluid here. The Masai of Africa subsisted

completely on a diet of cow's blood, milk, and urine very well for

thousands of years. Ayurveda uses much dairy and successfully so.

Granted there are many unhealthy things that we do to the dairy that

change it's structure, but there is nothing evil about the moderate

consumption of unpasteurized, and unhomogenized dairy; especially

those that are cultured.

>

> Please tell me the proper diet for a person of Eskimo heritage?

>

> Please address the issue of pathogens and stomach ph.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...>

> gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:21 AM

> Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

>

>

>

>

> this is were students of disagree with Hulda

>

> I also found it to be true if your diet is alkalyne your stomach can

> digest it without intense amount of hydrochloric acid

>

> intresting enough hydrochloric acid is needed to digest milk and

that is

> why childrn have it the strongest in early years

> but what animal besides humans stays on milk there whole life?

> and what animals drink other animals milk?

>

> Besides that a stomach that heals is able todo other functions

that it

> could not before that invovles detoxification and blood cleansing

>

> of course if you drink cows milk and cheese you need hydrochloric

acid

> to digest it but it was never natural for you to eat that in the

first

> place

>

> the benefits of abstaining from milk and cheese dairy and meat to

heal

> your body far out way using hydrochloric acid to digest them

>

> amazing how far humans will goto to satisfy there lusts

>

> they will continue until they put themselves in the box and pay for

> there doctors childrens education and automobiles

>

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...<mailto:brian0017@...>>

> > To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones@y\

ahoogroups.com<mailto:gallstones >>

> > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:02 AM

> > Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed

by pain

> >

> >

> > a liver friendly diet is alkalayne based and is easily digestable

> > without hydrachloric acid

> >

> > - Absolutely not. Yes we need to consume a more alkaline

diet

> > but even in an alkaline diet we are going to have to consume foods

> > that are both acid in nature and require an acid environment to

> > digest. When you consume a meal of only vegetables you are correct

> > that we do not need the HCL and that part of the process is

skipped.

> > To break down any protein and that includes vegetable proteins

we must

> > have the proper amount of HCL present.

> >

> > takeing hydrichloric acid defeats the entire purpose of the

alkalyne

> > based diet

> >

> > - Absolutely wrong. If you do not have a stomach acidity

below

> > (more acid) than ph 3 with proteins present; improper digestion

> > occurs. Not to mention the bacteria and pathogens that are able to

> > run the gauntlet of the most important part of the intestinal

> > immunological defense: Stomach acidity.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 2:41 PM

Subject: Re: bloated, gas,constipation followed by pain

I would never recommend for anyone tobe off protein for the rest of

your life

but I would recommend for people who have been on a highprotein diet to

there destruction to abtain from protein

and if you want to learn about your stomachs ability to purify the blood

I recommend the orange juice fast that i previously recommended to you

once your stomach is healed from its previous damage you will see this

take effect and you also will

see a 5x increase in your red blood cell count it may take 7,14,21,28

or 40 days depending on how damaged your organs are

-This does nothing to explain how the stomach purifies the blood.

fasting is the bodys repair ability to regenerate itself oddly too much

food prevents and is totaly contrary to popular understanding

to stop eating when your sick yet fasting can easily put much of the

medical community out of buisness especially fungus overmanefestation

problems (the C word).

eating nothing but oranges and fresh squeezed organic orange juice would

be a mono diet

and is a very effective way to fast drinking home distilled water

mixed 50/ 50 with fresh squeezed organic orange juice is recommended

And most people will never see or believe this as to believe you

would have to do it and itis much easier to dismiss this as

crazy and continue to eat whatever you want.

As far as ph and pathogen defense anyone who ever owned a pool

understands when the ph is on the alkalyne side

just above 7.0 that the water is crystal clear and pathogen and algae

is not a problem .but when the ph goes on the acidic side

fungus (the cause of the c word)and algae and pathogens are

uncontrolable until the ph is back into an alkayne state.

-Nope. If there are any trout fisherman out there, let know about

algae growth in alkaline waters. Alkaline lakes have great algae growth, which

= lots of insects to eat the algae, which = lots of big fish feeding off of the

bugs and shrimp. Take a look of the ecosystem of Pyramid lake in Ca. for

example. If you want another, consider the problem with phosphate detergents.

We are not talking about algae though. We are talking about bacterias, viruses

and larger parasites. The reality is that stomach ph is probably the single

most important aspect of intestinal immunal function.

Our bodys are no diffrent good health is not possible with an acidic ph

-Serum ph not stomach ph. Yes, most if not all Americans are too " acid "

and need to consume a more alkaline diet. This has little to do with stomach ph

which is the topic of discussion.

stomach acid is needed to digest proteins but our body can make protein

without consuming protein

and to think that our body uses pig or cow protein to make human protein

is foolish

-First: Yes we can make proteins (and some amino acids). For those of

you that are slogging through this, proteins are made up of polypeptide chains

which are made up of amino acids. You do not want to assimilate proteins, they

are humongous. You will have all sorts of nasty allergic reactions. You need

to digest and break them down into basically individual amino acids. ,

without a proper stomach ph of < 3 you have a major problem. You will not be

able to do it. We humans can manufacture some amino acids. But not all of

those that we need. Those that we need but cannot synthesize (called " essential

amino acids " ), we must get in our diet. If not, eventual death (and not that

far off). We get them from dietary proteins, which we must be able to digest,

or in other words break down completely into the individual amino acids. We can

get all the essential amino acids through a vegan diet. But this does not mean

that it is necessarily better (and I am also not saying that it is not). which

brings up...

-Second: Our bodies use bovine proteins very well and believe it or not

, porcine ( pig flesh is closer to human flesh. So close that some say that

pigs were human experiments that went wacko in Atlantis (like that? yuk, yuk!).

This does not take into account the fact that the fat does not liquefy until 104

degrees Fahrenheit) proteins even better. I am definitely not adventing the

consumption of either, just stating fact. Soy protein is the hardest of all to

digest (another fact).

-If you do not consume enough of the proper proteins containing enough of

the essential amino acids, you will not survive very long.

the amount of protein humans need is probably 3% of what americans

typically eat in there diet

-I forget the actual statistics but probably 20 to 30%. Yes, the over

consumption of proteins is one of the most destructive aspects to the SAD diet.

Everyone is different and different constitutions have different ideal diets.

Hence my reference to an extreme such as an Eskimo diet.

-Back to the original topic of discussion; proper stomach ph and the

supplementation of HCL when an individual does not produce enough to lower (more

acid) ph below 3. The inability to lower ph below 3 because of lack of HCL

causes a multitude of imbalances including allergies, pathogenic infestations,

amino acid deficiencies, HEARTBURN!, and worse. Supplementing with betaine HCL

in the proper instances is cheap and potentially life saving especially

considering the alternatives. This situation is pandemic in our culture.

-Always, in all ways, -Dave