Gallbladder Problems

August 7, 1999

Dear :

I had gallbladder problems for years although no one believed me until an

ultrasound actually showed 'sludge.' I had it removed a year after I got

sick with the AIH. The biopsy of it afterwards showed that it had been

diseased for years just like I always knew it had been. Boy, was my doctor

embarrassed that he'd never believed me!

Kathy (AIH)

Seattle area

August 7, 1999

, I had my gallbladder out when I was 23 years old, after 3 years of

terrible pain. I am 47 now. Lynn aih

J1P1S1@... wrote:

> From: J1P1S1@...

>

> Has anyone ever had problems with their gallbladder or even had it removed?

>

> ---------------------------

August 7, 1999

, I had mine removed in 1996 which seemed to be the starting point

to my liver problems now.

Jody

--- Lynn <CEN32195@...> wrote:

> From: Lynn <CEN32195@...>

>

> , I had my gallbladder out when I was 23 years

> old, after 3 years of

> terrible pain. I am 47 now. Lynn aih

>

> J1P1S1@... wrote:

>

> > From: J1P1S1@...

> >

> > Has anyone ever had problems with their

> gallbladder or even had it removed?

> >

> > ---------------------------

August 7, 1999

Why is it that doctors do not believe their patients? I dont understand

this at all. We live with these bodies 24/7. We know when we feel good

and when we feel bad. we also have intuition about where the problem

might be.

sooooo dammmmmnnnnnnn frustrating!

Jody

--- KATBERCOO@... wrote:

> From: KATBERCOO@...

>

> Dear :

>

> I had gallbladder problems for years although no one

> believed me until an

> ultrasound actually showed 'sludge.' I had it

> removed a year after I got

> sick with the AIH. The biopsy of it afterwards

> showed that it had been

> diseased for years just like I always knew it had

> been. Boy, was my doctor

> embarrassed that he'd never believed me!

>

> Kathy (AIH)

> Seattle area

>

> ---------------------------

August 7, 1999

Dear a:

Your symptoms sound just like the ones I had for years. They would never

find anything wrong in the tests. My symptoms, however, were classic

gallbladder symptoms. Sometimes the pain would double me over and I wouldn't

be able to straighten up or take a deep breath for as much as 20 minutes.

Sort of standing there gasping like a fish out of water. Since I've had it

removed, I've never had another attack like that.

Kathy (AIH)

Seattle area

August 8, 1999

Kathy, that is a good discription of the gallbladder attacks! Lynn aih

KATBERCOO@... wrote:

> From: KATBERCOO@...

>

> Dear a:

>

> Your symptoms sound just like the ones I had for years. They would never

> find anything wrong in the tests. My symptoms, however, were classic

> gallbladder symptoms. Sometimes the pain would double me over and I wouldn't

> be able to straighten up or take a deep breath for as much as 20 minutes.

> Sort of standing there gasping like a fish out of water. Since I've had it

> removed, I've never had another attack like that.

>

> Kathy (AIH)

> Seattle area

>

> ---------------------------

August 8, 1999

,

Yes to both your questions. I had trouble with it and the so called surgeon

removed it. Turns out I had no stones (like he had told me) and he clipped

two bile ducts and bile leaked internally. That is why, I think, my immune

system went haywire.

SueB.

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> From: J1P1S1@...

> onelist

> Subject: [ ] Gallbladder Problems

> Date: Saturday, 7 August 1999 13:23

>

> From: J1P1S1@...

>

> Has anyone ever had problems with their gallbladder or even had it

removed?

>

> ---------------------------

August 8, 1999

a,

I had the same pain, that is the reason I went to my doc in the first

place, after a botched op to remove the gallbladder the pain is still

there. I am on constant pain relief for it. The shoulder pain is called

referred pain, or so they tell me, they can't however, tell me what the

pain is caused from. I too have Fatty Liver.

SueB.

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> From: Roscetti <roscetti@...>

> Chronic Autoimmune Liver Disease Support Group

< onelist>

> Subject: [ ] Gallbladder Problems

> Date: Sunday, 8 August 1999 8:23

>

> From: Roscetti <roscetti@...>

>

> & Group

>

> Diane, you asked if anyone else has had gallbladder problems. I have

> quite a story about mine. For the past 4-5 months I have had a sharp

> stabbing pain that would occur under my right rib cage. The intense pain

> would last any where from a brief moment up to several minutes. When

this

> pain first began, it was short in duration but as time progressed, the

> episodes of pain became longer and would result in a deep muscular

> tenderness in my right shoulder blade.

>

> Because the symptoms were so typical of gallbladder disease, I have

had

> a ultrasound, a Hydascan, CAT scan and ultra sound with contrasting die.

> The these tests discovered that my gallbladder is perfect in structure,

have

> no gallstones or sludge, and is only allowing about 9% of the bile to

> escape. I have a perfect but lazy gallbladder.

>

> Never have my " gallbladder " attacks (the sharp, stabbing pain below

the

> right rib area) ever been associated with what I ate. Therefore, the

> doctors were not sure if it was my gallbladder. Therefore, I have not

had

> it removed. I am not convinced, especially after reading so many

messages

> from the group, that it is my gallbladder.

>

> I would like to hear from others in the group who have had similar

pain

> and what their doctors might have told them. One of the surgeons told me

> that there was a 70% chance that surgery would take care of the pain but

a

> 30% chance that the pain would continue even after the gallbladder was

> removed.

>

> I have always felt that my pain was caused by my liver disease but

NOT

> gallbladder. However, a few of the doctors I have spoken with tell me it

> could NOT be my liver because the liver feels no pain. The pain I am

> experiencing is very sharp and stabbing and I freeze in my place when it

> occurs. I have also wondered if it might also be from inflammation in

the

> muscles around the ribs.

>

> Is there anyone who might be able to shed any light?? In advance,

> thanks for any help.

>

> a AIH/Fatty Liver

>

> ---------------------------

January 9, 2001

Vicki wrote:

>I am interested in learning if anyone who is following this diet has had

>gallbladder problems clear up. I think there is something wrong with

>mine.maybe gallstones.No matter what I eat makes me get sick and I have

>pains where my gallbladder is located. I am getting a ultrasound tomorrow to

>see what is wrong. Any input is greatly apreciated! Vicki

Hi Vicki,

I'm going through that right now. What prompted me to go on the Type

O diet was chronic stomach and digestion problems. I think the diet

stirred things up, because I felt absolutely horrible for several

weeks. I was vomiting and was literally afraid to eat because

everything made me so nauseous. I was going to a lame-o

gastroenterologist who, for some reason wouldn't order an ultrasound.

He insisted on an endoscopy/colonscopy. (Hmmmm...could it be because

they run an endoscopy center and get a LOT more money for that

procedure?? Geez.) Because he took so long to run the right test, I

had a terrible gallbladder attack and had to go to the emergency

room. Sure enough, that was the problem. I consulted with a surgeon

who wasn't convinced I should have it removed. Mainly, because I

have a whole host of digestive problems and he felt there was the

possibility that my gallbladder is a symptom, not a cause. So, with

the help of a different doctor and a very good nutritionist, I was

put on a diet that's very close to the Type O diet, with a few

changes. I have to watch fat content like a hawk. I eat mostly

white meat protein (chicken, turkey, fish) and veggies. Just apples,

as far as fruits go, and very few grains. If I inadvertently eat too

much fat, I pay the price.

So, that's *my* situation. Yours, of course, could be completely

different. So wait and see what the ultrasound shows. Gallbladder

problems are heriditary, mostly among women. If you don't have any

other intestinal problems, your gallbladder may be diseased.

Although, the trend these days is to change your diet rather than

have surgery.

How long had you been on the Type O diet before noticing your

gallbladder problems?

Lynn

January 10, 2001

I don't have a gallbladder problem, but a good friend of mine does.

She's been on the " O " diet for probably about 9 months, and she's

still having problems. I don't know if the problems are better, I

just know she's about to do a gallbladder flush/cleanse with olive

oil/lemon juice.

I don't know much about the flush, but she says it has helped her in

the past. She's very against surgery. She said she has searched the

internet and found a lot of information on the best way to do a

gallbladder flush.

I was thinking about doing a liver flush, since I have a candida

problem and flushing the liver supposedly helps a lot of people. I

guess from the sounds of it, a liver flush and a gallbladder flush are

basically the same thing.

Has anyone else ever done one of these flushes?

Tracie

September 2, 2001

Becky,

What are they going to do about the " sludge " ? Just let it go until it forms

stones? Sometime I feel just fine, and other times, it is pretty painful.

Today, it seems when ever I eat I get nauseated. I have tried twice last week

to contact Dr R or his nurse, but never get a call back. Maybe I'll try to

email him.

I hope you are feeling better!

, MI

Re: Gallbladder troubles?

,

I just had some gallbladder problems. I had severe back and stomach pains

whenever I ate. I had a million tests run and was put in the hospital for

several days and the docs couldn't figure out what was wrong. I spoke w/

Dr. R about two weeks ago and he said that it was probably " sludge " which is

when your body is in the process of trying to get gallstones. If you eat

anything w/ fat or cholestoral in it, it will make it a lot worse. He put

me on Actigall and it took about a week and I've had like one episode of

pain. My docs had me on hydrocodone and I asked Dr. R if that was ok and he

said yes. Anyway, you should call Dr. R and speak w/ him. He said that he

had 2 other patients that had the same thing previously. Good Luck!

becky in florida

12/14/00

249/165

September 3, 2001

,

Dr. R said that the sludge will go away with the actigall. Supposedly

the actigall will eventually clean out the " sludge " in my system. I haven't

had any pains in about a week or so. But, last night my back started to

hurt and again tonight. Although it usually only happened when I ate.

However, tonight and last night, I didn't eat, so I don't know whats up with

it. But, the pain was no where near as bad as it was. I've been taking the

actigall now for about 3 weeks and its helped a lot. If you still have left

over actigall, I would take that, because that's what Dr. R is going to tell

you to do. I called 919-479-4400 and asked to speak w/ Dr. R and they put

me through directly to Barbara. She took a message and he called me back

within 15 minutes. I talked with him on the phone for a good 20 minutes

about it and he explained everything to me thouroughly. If you don't get a

hold of him on the phone then definantly email him. If you wait too long

then you will eventually get stones. Goodluck and let me know if you have

anymore questions!

Becky in Fl

12/14/00

249/165

>From: " Schlitt " <sschlitt@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: gallbladder problems

>Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 22:51:12 -0400

>

>Becky,

>

>What are they going to do about the " sludge " ? Just let it go until it

>forms stones? Sometime I feel just fine, and other times, it is pretty

>painful. Today, it seems when ever I eat I get nauseated. I have tried

>twice last week to contact Dr R or his nurse, but never get a call back.

>Maybe I'll try to email him.

>

>I hope you are feeling better!

>

>, MI

>

> Re: Gallbladder troubles?

>

> ,

> I just had some gallbladder problems. I had severe back and stomach

>pains

> whenever I ate. I had a million tests run and was put in the hospital

>for

> several days and the docs couldn't figure out what was wrong. I spoke

>w/

> Dr. R about two weeks ago and he said that it was probably " sludge "

>which is

> when your body is in the process of trying to get gallstones. If you

>eat

> anything w/ fat or cholestoral in it, it will make it a lot worse. He

>put

> me on Actigall and it took about a week and I've had like one episode of

> pain. My docs had me on hydrocodone and I asked Dr. R if that was ok

>and he

> said yes. Anyway, you should call Dr. R and speak w/ him. He said that

>he

> had 2 other patients that had the same thing previously. Good Luck!

>

> becky in florida

> 12/14/00

> 249/165

>

September 3, 2001

,

was in the room next to yours.

Remember the next morning I came down and seen both of you. Jerry and your

sister was in the room with you and poor had been up all night with

nausea.

How are you going? I bet you are looking good. Are you coming to the picnic?

take care,

Sherry Koch

2/5/01

372/238

September 4, 2001

Hi , I met you at clinics. My stay at the hospital went an extra day

due to nausea which last 4 months. The patch saved me for the most part. I

have done well but I feel slow. I had a five week plateau. I am sitting at

around 167 down from 245. I really enjoy the inch loss. I am around 50 inches

gone, so even when the weight isn't going I am still losing. I feel that I

had gallbladder problems pre MGB because I now know the symptoms. The only

thing that changed after surgery was the bile. I should hear something today.

I want to hear how you have been, I wish I had known it was you, it is nice

to put it together. That is why I want to get to the picnic, Say A prayer and

e-mail me, Overman

joeykris2@...

2/5/01 245/167/140?

September 4, 2001

Hi Becky, I took the actigal faithfully except for maybe a week. This

definitely leads me to believe I had them prior to MGB surgery. I have stones

and need surgery. The actigal doesn't help at this point. I hope you continue

to feel better. O.

April 30, 2006

Hi All,

I have found that I have a lot less aches and pains using a supplement

called " Supermom " tabs. They are a multivitamin, but also have detox

ingredients like spirulina, apple pectin, etc. They also have high levels of

B6, which I thought was interesting as my son takes Super-Nu-Thera which also is

high in B6. Anyway, the website is ww.Beeyoutiful.com, and you might give it a

try. They claim to be safe for breastfeeding and pregnant moms, which is why I

started taking them. I find they give me more energy. I used to have

occassional pain in the gallbladder region, too, but I haven't lately.

Hope this helps,

Molly

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: enzymes for yeast

From: " jornmatt " snowbear@...

2. Re: new here, questions about 10 month old now: breastfeeding

From: " mbrookh " mbrookh@...

3. Re: new here, questions about 10 month old now: breastfeeding

From: " Kathleen Eickwort " Kathleen_E@...

4. OT - a health question - natural gallbladder treatments??

From: " jennaleeck " superkempusa@...

5. Re: OT - a health question - natural gallbladder treatments??

From: " Libby " Libby4@...

6. Re: OT - a health question - natural gallbladder treatments??

From: " jennaleeck " superkempusa@...

7. Re: new supplements what's the dosage

From: " mlb228@... " mlb228@...

8. Re: Special Olmpics Day

From: " mlb228@... " mlb228@...

9. Bioset and viral protocols...

From: " ferdeson " ferdeson@...

10. Re: , book question re: stomach acid/ Jane

From: " jornmatt " snowbear@...

11. ADHD and Autism

From: " meerab96 " meerab96@...

12. Re: ADHD and Autism

From: " Angie " angie29_1975@...

13. Re: ADHD and Autism

From: " haleh niazmand " halniaz@...

14. Re: ADHD and Autism

From: " vickila1@... " vickila1@...

15. Re: ADHD and Autism

From: " vickila1@... " vickila1@...

16. Re: ADHD and Autism

From: " vickila1@... " vickila1@...

17. Primal Defense-Garden of Life

From: " Ro Se " ro11142002@...

18. Re: ADHD and Autism

From: " Dianne@tara team " zdianne123@...

19. Re: Primal Defense-Garden of Life

From: " Josie Lecraw " josie.nelson@...

20. Re: Bioset and viral protocols...

From: " Josie Lecraw " josie.nelson@...

21. Re: OT - a health question - natural gallbladder treatments??

From: " Dianne@tara team " zdianne123@...

22. Re: Dianne/was: ADHD and Autism

From: " Cochran " Ladyshrink111@...

23. Re: Dianne/was: ADHD and Autism

From: " Dianne@tara team " zdianne123@...

24. Re: Haleh/was: ADHD and Autism

From: " Cochran " Ladyshrink111@...

25. Re: Primal Defense-Garden of Life

From: " hanjkyla " kyleac@...

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Message 1

From: " jornmatt " snowbear@...

Date: Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:51pm(PDT)

Subject: Re: enzymes for yeast

>>>> I did look up CDX and Candidase on the internet, and according

to what I found, the amounts per capsule are the same, (Cellulase

30,000 CU, Protease 100,000 HUT). So I'm confused. Maybe there are

different capsule strengths available (but I checked a few different

sources)?

I'll check on that exactly. I was told 'all' the Theramedix were

higher potencies, but maybe there were some exceptions...or number of

capsules considered a serving/dose. thank you so much for pointing

that out.

> Is it important to continue on these enzymes once starting them,

> i.e. does a person develop resistant strains of yeast/viruses if

> enzyme use is not continuous?

Not that I've ever heard. Just guessing here, if it did appear there

was a resistance occuring, it may not be so much that you are

developing resistant strains to the enzymes or other treatment...but

that the enzymes being used as wiped out all the things they work

best on. The remaining pathogens would not be so sensitive to those

products, and you would need to get a different mix to catch those.

Much like rotating probiotics to ensure a good balance. This is a

different scenario than when, say, certain insects develop a

resistance to an agricultural chemical or synthetic medicine because

of mutation.

.

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Message 2

From: " mbrookh " mbrookh@...

Date: Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:55pm(PDT)

Subject: Re: new here, questions about 10 month old now: breastfeeding

Jeanne,

'Selective mutism' was a label given to our daughter, now 21 yrs. imo

this is a cop out. It took me until she was 15 to find info about

biomedical, the vaccine connection etc. GFCF was a huge benefit for

her - it still is! She went through years of uncontrolled seizures

after a Dt booster at age 6. Taking gluten and casein out of her diet

has enabled her to be seizure free and markedly reduce meds. If the

diet is helping, keep it up!!! You are your child's best[sometimes

only] advocate. I view 'selective mutism' as just another chapter of

vaccine injury.

Have you done a hair test? Our daughter was/is toxic. We've been

chelating for awhile now. Chelation has helped with many aresa

including her 'mutism' and social anxiety.

> >

> > I had this same experience. My dd still breastfed just a few

> minutes at

> > bedtime until her 4th birthday. She regressed dramatically during

> the 2

> > months after she stopped, from an antisocial quick-to-tantrum

> preschooler

> > who had lots of " issues " but talked fine, to acting completely

> autistic, not

> > responding to name or anything else, talk dissolved into gibberish

> if at

> > all, no interest in drawing, etc., etc. Started GFCF as soon as we

> heard

> > about it and it brought her back. Since she was only " autistic " for

> 2

> > months, by the time she had appointments for assessments she was

> better and

> > therefore has no diagnosis. But they wouldn't believe me about the

> diet and

> > said it prob wasn't autism because she regressed so late, rather

> maybe an

> > anxiety disorder like selective mutism and she spontaneously got

> better. I

> > know better, but it's hard to deal with lack of support from

> family, who

> > would rather believe the doctors and give up this crazy diet.

> > I'd be interested to find out if there are many other people whose

> kids have

> > had late regressions after stopping breastfeeding.

> > Jeanne

> >

> > From: " schwarzbeatrix " schwarzbeatrix@

> > Date: Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:20pm(PDT)

> > Subject: Re: new here, questions about 10 month old now:

> breastfeeding

> >

> > I wanted to mention that I breastfed exclusevly for 6 months and

> > continued until DS was 3.5 actually that was 4 months ago. After

> > weaning he became more " classical autistic " his autism got way

> worse.

> > It was the sadest seeing him going down hill, I even tried to BF

> him

> > again, it was impossible.We are on GFCF since January, he has had

> > terrible gutproblem. We saw a Kinesiologist and started enzymes

> last

> > week. He improved to the point that you coulnt see any autism

> > however with infractions he regresses and can look very

> > autistic.Therefore I introduced enzymes since since its impossible

> > to be a 100 % all the time especially if none of the familit

> > memebers believe anything what iam saying regarding DS.He responded

> > well to enzymes so far.Breastfeeding defenetly helped. Stpping was

> > really bad..

> > Bea

> >

>

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Message 4

From: " jennaleeck " superkempusa@...

Date: Sat Apr 29, 2006 7:18pm(PDT)

Subject: OT - a health question - natural gallbladder treatments??

Anyone at this board ever have any experience with gallbladder

issues? I have not been to the doctor's to confirm but based on

symptoms I think my gallbladder is having problems. I have frequent

stomach pain,it seems worse on my right side. A couple of nights it

has been so bad I have been tempted to go the ER. Stress is an issue

of course - I have 3 kids, nursing a baby, work parttime, my 3 1/2

year old has PDDNOS, we have had croup and chicken pox in the house

this month. BLAHBLAHBLAH - we are all moms here - you know the story.

Any way I know that traditional medicine is only going to treat the

symptoms not the true problem. Anyone have any suggestions? Also I

am nursing so I need to take that into consideration (as far as herbs,

etc). And I absolutely don't want it to get worse and have to get

surgery that would be awful!!TIA!

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Message 5

From: " Libby " Libby4@...

Date: Sat Apr 29, 2006 7:27pm(PDT)

Subject: Re: OT - a health question - natural gallbladder treatments??

Hi, I thought I had Gallbladder issues also, turns out I had a ripping ulcer.

But I know about the pain and nausea, oh and PAIN. I did end up going to the

doctor, however, try Aloe vera juice, Braggs apple cider vinegar, Milk and

seven-up, bananas, for now, but I do suggest finding out for sure it is your

Gallbladder. Try and stay clear of richer foods for now. Gallbladder goes funky

if your Liver is making bad bile, so look into liver cleansing stuff maybe. But

truly, find out if it is an Ulcer or the gallbladder. Good luck. That's a rough

one I just went through it too. Libby

OT - a health question - natural gallbladder treatments??