Re: tight band or swollen stoma???

[Guest guest]

,

Yes I do think getting something stuck can cause some swelling

thus making it difficult to eat.When I have a tight fill I take one

tiny bite(pea size) chew forever and then swallow.I wait a few 2-3

minutes before my next bite.After doing this a few times then I seem

to loosen up a bit and don't have to wait the few minutes between

bites.Just the first three to four bites.After getting stuck maybe

try to baby the stoma for a meal or two and se if that helps.

SharonS

In , Rose <teresavrose@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone!

>

> I've had my band since August 16 and doing pretty well except

for the occasional " stuck " incidents. I just recently had my third

fill and for the first few days stayed on liquids as usual but was

pretty hungry and wanted something more substantial by day three.

All went well except for day four. Two bits of cream of wheat and

thought I was going to die. Here we go again, the sliming, pain

right between the breasts, etc. Ok, it finally passed and I

survived. That was 8:00 this morning. It is now 4:30 in the

afternoon and am trying to eat yogurt, just plain old soft yogurt.

Two bites, BAM, stuck. Sitting in my stoma and making me feel

miserable. I know eventually it will go down but here's my

question: Do you think that getting food stuck can make the stoma

swell temporarilyand thus make it more difficult for food to pass

through? I would appreciate your imput.

>

>

>

> Thanks,

> T

>

>

>

>

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Hi Lynn, I'm no pro but it seem like getting stuck on cream of wheat might mean

your last fill is to tight. Have you eaten any real food since your fill?

Ales

RNY 7/11/02

Revision Banded 10/27/06

tight band or swollen stoma???

Hi Everyone!

I've had my band since August 16 and doing pretty well except for the

occasional " stuck " incidents. I just recently had my third fill and for the

first few days stayed on liquids as usual but was pretty hungry and wanted

something more substantial by day three. All went well except for day four.

Two bits of cream of wheat and thought I was going to die. Here we go again,

the sliming, pain right between the breasts, etc. Ok, it finally passed and

I survived. That was 8:00 this morning. It is now 4:30 in the afternoon and

am trying to eat yogurt, just plain old soft yogurt. Two bites, BAM, stuck.

Sitting in my stoma and making me feel miserable. I know eventually it will

go down but here's my question: Do you think that getting food stuck can

make the stoma swell temporarilyand thus make it more difficult for food to

pass through? I would appreciate your imput.

Thanks,

T

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No, I'm not the one who is stuck. Mine was a suggestion for a day or two of

liquids. I've been at this for a while, but because of dilation of my pouch,

I'm on fluids only for 2 weeks.

Have a wonderful holiday.

Lynnb

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Ales

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:34 AM

Subject: Re: tight band or swollen stoma???

Hi Lynn, I'm no pro but it seem like getting stuck on cream of wheat might

mean your last fill is to tight. Have you eaten any real food since your

fill?

Ales

RNY 7/11/02

Revision Banded 10/27/06

tight band or swollen stoma???

Hi Everyone!

I've had my band since August 16 and doing pretty well except for the

occasional " stuck " incidents. I just recently had my third fill and for the

first few days stayed on liquids as usual but was pretty hungry and wanted

something more substantial by day three. All went well except for day four.

Two bits of cream of wheat and thought I was going to die. Here we go again,

the sliming, pain right between the breasts, etc. Ok, it finally passed and

I survived. That was 8:00 this morning. It is now 4:30 in the afternoon and

am trying to eat yogurt, just plain old soft yogurt. Two bites, BAM, stuck.

Sitting in my stoma and making me feel miserable. I know eventually it will

go down but here's my question: Do you think that getting food stuck can

make the stoma swell temporarilyand thus make it more difficult for food to

pass through? I would appreciate your imput.

Thanks,

T

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,

The exact same thing happened to me after my third fill which was 9

days ago. For the first week - I was getting stuck alot but each day

got a tiny bit better. I was actually on full liquids for 6 days and

then to mushies. Now I eat regular food but VERY carefully - at the

first sign of stuck I stop eating and let the stoma rest with clear

warm liquids for the rest of the day. Warm liquid before eating also

helps.

> >

> > Hi Everyone!

> >

> > I've had my band since August 16 and doing pretty well except

> for the occasional " stuck " incidents. I just recently had my third

> fill and for the first few days stayed on liquids as usual but was

> pretty hungry and wanted something more substantial by day three.

> All went well except for day four. Two bits of cream of wheat and

> thought I was going to die. Here we go again, the sliming, pain

> right between the breasts, etc. Ok, it finally passed and I

> survived. That was 8:00 this morning. It is now 4:30 in the

> afternoon and am trying to eat yogurt, just plain old soft yogurt.

> Two bites, BAM, stuck. Sitting in my stoma and making me feel

> miserable. I know eventually it will go down but here's my

> question: Do you think that getting food stuck can make the stoma

> swell temporarilyand thus make it more difficult for food to pass

> through? I would appreciate your imput.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> > T

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Thanks ladies! You've been alot of help and I really appreciate it. It's so

easy to forget from one fill to the next...

Have a Happy Thanksgiving!

T

cindywebb1667 <cindywebb1667@...> wrote:

,

The exact same thing happened to me after my third fill which was 9

days ago. For the first week - I was getting stuck alot but each day

got a tiny bit better. I was actually on full liquids for 6 days and

then to mushies. Now I eat regular food but VERY carefully - at the

first sign of stuck I stop eating and let the stoma rest with clear

warm liquids for the rest of the day. Warm liquid before eating also

helps.

> >

> > Hi Everyone!

> >

> > I've had my band since August 16 and doing pretty well except

> for the occasional " stuck " incidents. I just recently had my third

> fill and for the first few days stayed on liquids as usual but was

> pretty hungry and wanted something more substantial by day three.

> All went well except for day four. Two bits of cream of wheat and

> thought I was going to die. Here we go again, the sliming, pain

> right between the breasts, etc. Ok, it finally passed and I

> survived. That was 8:00 this morning. It is now 4:30 in the

> afternoon and am trying to eat yogurt, just plain old soft yogurt.

> Two bites, BAM, stuck. Sitting in my stoma and making me feel

> miserable. I know eventually it will go down but here's my

> question: Do you think that getting food stuck can make the stoma

> swell temporarilyand thus make it more difficult for food to pass

> through? I would appreciate your imput.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> > T

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks ladies! You've been alot of help and I really appreciate it. It's so

easy to forget from one fill to the next...

Have a Happy Thanksgiving!

T

cindywebb1667 <cindywebb1667@...> wrote:

,

The exact same thing happened to me after my third fill which was 9

days ago. For the first week - I was getting stuck alot but each day

got a tiny bit better. I was actually on full liquids for 6 days and

then to mushies. Now I eat regular food but VERY carefully - at the

first sign of stuck I stop eating and let the stoma rest with clear

warm liquids for the rest of the day. Warm liquid before eating also

helps.

> >

> > Hi Everyone!

> >

> > I've had my band since August 16 and doing pretty well except

> for the occasional " stuck " incidents. I just recently had my third

> fill and for the first few days stayed on liquids as usual but was

> pretty hungry and wanted something more substantial by day three.

> All went well except for day four. Two bits of cream of wheat and

> thought I was going to die. Here we go again, the sliming, pain

> right between the breasts, etc. Ok, it finally passed and I

> survived. That was 8:00 this morning. It is now 4:30 in the

> afternoon and am trying to eat yogurt, just plain old soft yogurt.

> Two bites, BAM, stuck. Sitting in my stoma and making me feel

> miserable. I know eventually it will go down but here's my

> question: Do you think that getting food stuck can make the stoma

> swell temporarilyand thus make it more difficult for food to pass

> through? I would appreciate your imput.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> > T

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> homepage.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Tuesday, November 20, 2007, 3:32:36 PM, you wrote:

> I've had my band since August 16 and doing pretty well except for the

occasional

> " stuck " incidents. I just recently had my third fill and for the first few

days stayed

> on liquids as usual but was pretty hungry and wanted something more

substantial by day

> three. All went well except for day four. Two bits of cream of wheat and

thought I

> was going to die. Here we go again, the sliming, pain right between the

breasts, etc.

> Ok, it finally passed and I survived.

Sticky things are bad news for most of us. Sticky cereals like that,

or oatmeal, are off of my list for same reason. If you make them VERY

runny you might make it ok.

> That was 8:00 this morning. It is now 4:30 in

> the afternoon and am trying to eat yogurt, just plain old soft yogurt. Two

bites, BAM,

> stuck.

again, yogurt is gummy...and on my no no list as well. same for many

others.

> Sitting in my stoma and making me feel miserable. I know eventually it will

go

> down but here's my question: Do you think that getting food stuck can make

the stoma

> swell temporarilyand thus make it more difficult for food to pass through? I

would

> appreciate your imput.

Yes, it can swell. It can also swell a lot when it is " that time of

the month " for many. Or stress. Or lots of other reasons, and for me

that includes salty food, or worse yet the food with msg in it.

you might be too tight, but might not. forget that kind of stuff

you're eating, and try a very small bite or three of some chicen (dark

meat) or some beef or something. and chew it very well. very well.

don't eat a second bite until you're sure first one is ok

dan

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[Guest guest]

As I read your no no list it makes me wonder if I am still way to lose. I can

eat anything as long as I chew it up. The only thing that will get stuck is a

big piece of meat. I have only felt some satiety for a couple of months and now

that is pretty much gone so I feel I need another fill. The last one was Nov 7

and it did not help at all. The Dr said he put in .5cc making me 3.5 cc in 4cc

band. I thought it would be tight but I can tell no difference. I go back Dec 5.

Ales

RNY 7/11/02

Revision Banded 10/27/06

Re: tight band or swollen stoma???

Hello ,

Tuesday, November 20, 2007, 3:32:36 PM, you wrote:

> I've had my band since August 16 and doing pretty well except for the

occasional

> " stuck " incidents. I just recently had my third fill and for the first few

days stayed

> on liquids as usual but was pretty hungry and wanted something more

substantial by day

> three. All went well except for day four. Two bits of cream of wheat and

thought I

> was going to die. Here we go again, the sliming, pain right between the

breasts, etc.

> Ok, it finally passed and I survived.

Sticky things are bad news for most of us. Sticky cereals like that,

or oatmeal, are off of my list for same reason. If you make them VERY

runny you might make it ok.

> That was 8:00 this morning. It is now 4:30 in

> the afternoon and am trying to eat yogurt, just plain old soft yogurt. Two

bites, BAM,

> stuck.

again, yogurt is gummy...and on my no no list as well. same for many

others.

> Sitting in my stoma and making me feel miserable. I know eventually it will

go

> down but here's my question: Do you think that getting food stuck can make

the stoma

> swell temporarilyand thus make it more difficult for food to pass through? I

would

> appreciate your imput.

Yes, it can swell. It can also swell a lot when it is " that time of

the month " for many. Or stress. Or lots of other reasons, and for me

that includes salty food, or worse yet the food with msg in it.

you might be too tight, but might not. forget that kind of stuff

you're eating, and try a very small bite or three of some chicen (dark

meat) or some beef or something. and chew it very well. very well.

don't eat a second bite until you're sure first one is ok

dan

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Best regards,

Dan mailto:honu@...

[Guest guest]

:

Don't worry about having 3.5cc in a 4 cc band. They can put more than that

in it if needs be. Just keep doing what you're doing. The band will follow

with the weight loss.

Lynnb

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Ales

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:48 AM

Subject: Re: tight band or swollen stoma???

As I read your no no list it makes me wonder if I am still way to lose. I

can eat anything as long as I chew it up. The only thing that will get stuck

is a big piece of meat. I have only felt some satiety for a couple of months

and now that is pretty much gone so I feel I need another fill. The last one

was Nov 7 and it did not help at all. The Dr said he put in .5cc making me

3.5 cc in 4cc band. I thought it would be tight but I can tell no

difference. I go back Dec 5.

Ales

RNY 7/11/02

Revision Banded 10/27/06

Re: tight band or swollen stoma???

Hello ,

Tuesday, November 20, 2007, 3:32:36 PM, you wrote:

> I've had my band since August 16 and doing pretty well except for the

occasional

> " stuck " incidents. I just recently had my third fill and for the first few

days stayed

> on liquids as usual but was pretty hungry and wanted something more

substantial by day

> three. All went well except for day four. Two bits of cream of wheat and

thought I

> was going to die. Here we go again, the sliming, pain right between the

breasts, etc.

> Ok, it finally passed and I survived.

Sticky things are bad news for most of us. Sticky cereals like that,

or oatmeal, are off of my list for same reason. If you make them VERY

runny you might make it ok.

> That was 8:00 this morning. It is now 4:30 in

> the afternoon and am trying to eat yogurt, just plain old soft yogurt. Two

bites, BAM,

> stuck.

again, yogurt is gummy...and on my no no list as well. same for many

others.

> Sitting in my stoma and making me feel miserable. I know eventually it

will go

> down but here's my question: Do you think that getting food stuck can make

the stoma

> swell temporarilyand thus make it more difficult for food to pass through?

I would

> appreciate your imput.

Yes, it can swell. It can also swell a lot when it is " that time of

the month " for many. Or stress. Or lots of other reasons, and for me

that includes salty food, or worse yet the food with msg in it.

you might be too tight, but might not. forget that kind of stuff

you're eating, and try a very small bite or three of some chicen (dark

meat) or some beef or something. and chew it very well. very well.

don't eat a second bite until you're sure first one is ok

dan

--

Best regards,

Dan mailto:honu@... <mailto:honu%40riverofdata.com>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dan. It's a very hard adjustment after eating at breakneck speed for 47

years!

Dan Lester <honu@...> wrote: Hello ,

Tuesday, November 20, 2007, 3:32:36 PM, you wrote:

> I've had my band since August 16 and doing pretty well except for the

occasional

> " stuck " incidents. I just recently had my third fill and for the first few

days stayed

> on liquids as usual but was pretty hungry and wanted something more

substantial by day

> three. All went well except for day four. Two bits of cream of wheat and

thought I

> was going to die. Here we go again, the sliming, pain right between the

breasts, etc.

> Ok, it finally passed and I survived.

Sticky things are bad news for most of us. Sticky cereals like that,

or oatmeal, are off of my list for same reason. If you make them VERY

runny you might make it ok.

> That was 8:00 this morning. It is now 4:30 in

> the afternoon and am trying to eat yogurt, just plain old soft yogurt. Two

bites, BAM,

> stuck.

again, yogurt is gummy...and on my no no list as well. same for many

others.

> Sitting in my stoma and making me feel miserable. I know eventually it will go

> down but here's my question: Do you think that getting food stuck can make the

stoma

> swell temporarilyand thus make it more difficult for food to pass through? I

would

> appreciate your imput.

Yes, it can swell. It can also swell a lot when it is " that time of

the month " for many. Or stress. Or lots of other reasons, and for me

that includes salty food, or worse yet the food with msg in it.

you might be too tight, but might not. forget that kind of stuff

you're eating, and try a very small bite or three of some chicen (dark

meat) or some beef or something. and chew it very well. very well.

don't eat a second bite until you're sure first one is ok

dan

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Best regards,

Dan mailto:honu@...

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[Guest guest]

-Either or both!

The guideline for fills is that we should have liquids for 24 hrs,

then a day or two of soft foods, then be ablre to go back to a normal

meal of meat and veggies (about 1-1.5 cups worth) within 3-5 days max.

You're unable to do that.

Buty, yes, barfing and pbing makes trhe stoma swell - this is why we

must go back to liquids only for a meal or two after every problem.

With a big barf, we need liquids for a full day to heal and rest.

I think you are too tight and need an unfill. every episode of

barfing and pbing is making you swell more.

I believe you need an unfill for the safety of your stomach. You

might want to review the Band Guide in the files that covers some of

thids, and much more.

Sandy r

-- In , Rose <teresavrose@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone!

>

> I've had my band since August 16 and doing pretty well except for

the occasional " stuck " incidents. I just recently had my third fill

and for the first few days stayed on liquids as usual but was pretty

hungry and wanted something more substantial by day three. All went

well except for day four. Two bits of cream of wheat and thought I

was going to die. Here we go again, the sliming, pain right between

the breasts, etc. Ok, it finally passed and I survived. That was

8:00 this morning. It is now 4:30 in the afternoon and am trying to

eat yogurt, just plain old soft yogurt. Two bites, BAM, stuck.

Sitting in my stoma and making me feel miserable. I know eventually

it will go down but here's my question: Do you think that getting

food stuck can make the stoma swell temporarilyand thus make it more

difficult for food to pass through? I would appreciate your imput.

>

>

>

> Thanks,

> T

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

sandy, i have never had to be on liquids for 24 hours...i was not

told that i had to be and hence didnt.

i hope i didnt cause any problems.

i think i am ready to go back for another fill. 1 1/2 cups isnt doing it now.

thanks for the clear guidelines

At 08:16 PM 11/23/2007, you wrote:

>-Either or both!

>The guideline for fills is that we should have liquids for 24 hrs,

>then a day or two of soft foods, then be ablre to go back to a normal

>meal of meat and veggies (about 1-1.5 cups worth) within 3-5 days max.

>You're unable to do that.

Diane B

[Guest guest]

Hi, Diane, Many of the newer docs don't realize how important this is.

With any manipulation (fill OR unfill) of the stoma, especially with

later (tighter)fills, there is swelling and trauma. the fluid period

for 24 hrs allows the stoma to rest and heal. Those that do not have

liquids, often increase the swelling by trying to put food thru the

swollen, traumatized stoma, then they are TOO tight, and may need an

unfill.

The 24 hr period of fluids after a fill NEVER hurts, and ALWAYS helps,

so i'd sure suggest it. This is one of many preventative things the

docs and Bandsters only learn with time and experience. I believe

Inamed talks about it in the surgeon information, and youi'll find it

also in Jessie Ahroni's Band book and (i believe) also in dr Ortiz's

band book. both have more than 8 yrsd experience with the band, while

none of teh US docs have more than 5-6, and most only 1-3 yrs.

Be sure you're testing the fill with good BAND foods, before you

co0nsider more fill. A good test meal is 2-4 oz of solid meat or

chicken, and 1/2 cup veggies. 1-1.5 cups should keep you satisfgied

(not " FULL " ) for 3-4 hrs. Meals of soft foods like spaghetti, salads,

soups, etc tell nbothing at all becuase the band never restricts soft

foods or liquids.

Hope this helps explain things -

Sandy r

> >-Either or both!

> >The guideline for fills is that we should have liquids for 24 hrs,

> >then a day or two of soft foods, then be ablre to go back to a normal

> >meal of meat and veggies (about 1-1.5 cups worth) within 3-5 days

max.

> >You're unable to do that.

>

> Diane B

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sandy

Sorry to butt in, but I'm not sure if I'm too tight and I don't want

to do any damage. Some days/times are better than others but most of

the time I cannot get meats down - fish and ham goes o.k., but turkey

(alas no turkey on Thanksgiving) and chicken do not (although I have

not tried really mushy, crockpot type chicken).

I feel really tight and have to be VERY careful not to eat too fast

or eat more than a pea sized bite (never believed before I would only

be able to eat pea size - but I do now !!!)

I'm not complaining because I am not hungry - CAN only eat band

friendly foods (ie fish and green beans go down fine - but bread and

pasta DO NOT.)

Do you think this means I'm o.k.? I get stuck alot but I feel it is

just lousy band table manners. This is my third fill and the FIRST

time I actually HAVE to follow the rules or pay the price.

I was on full liquids for 6 days after the fill just cause it seemed

pretty tight. I'm tighter in the morning - tighter when stressed at

the table and tighter when I eat certain foods. It all sounds normal

to me but I don't know if I " m getting stuck too many times. Oh and I

also cannot drink anything cold before eating or I cannot eat.

I think I " m in a good place but since I get stuck an average of 2

times a meal I'm wondering if I'm just not doing things right

consistently and causing swelling or if I need an unfill.

I'd appreciate any advice.

> > >-Either or both!

> > >The guideline for fills is that we should have liquids for 24

hrs,

> > >then a day or two of soft foods, then be ablre to go back to a

normal

> > >meal of meat and veggies (about 1-1.5 cups worth) within 3-5

days

> max.

> > >You're unable to do that.

> >

> > Diane B

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sandy,

Previous post forgot to mention that although I get stuck 2 times a

meal I NEVER vomit or PB - it is just a tight painful feeling or I

feel it go down.

> > >-Either or both!

> > >The guideline for fills is that we should have liquids for 24

hrs,

> > >then a day or two of soft foods, then be ablre to go back to a

normal

> > >meal of meat and veggies (about 1-1.5 cups worth) within 3-5

days

> max.

> > >You're unable to do that.

> >

> > Diane B

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, what you can eat has nothing to do with a good fill. if we

chew well and choose good foods, we should be able to eat almost

anything. the guidelines to a good fill do not include any specific

foods we cannot eat, although some can give us trouble if we don't

foillow the band rules.

Even when i had my tightest fill during my loss period, i could eat

anything, including small pieces of bread, as long as I remembered

the eating rules.

Test your fill with a good band meal only: 2-4 ounces of solid meat

or chicken in a nice sauce, 1/2 cup of veggies and a few bites of a

grain/starch like quinoa. 1-1.5 cups should keep you satisfied for 3-

4 hrs, and you should have no trouble wuth this at all, as long as

you chew well. if you cannot eat this, or have any trouble, you

should not be getting more fill. We should gedt more fill only if we

are having no trouble at all with a good band meal at the current

leel of fill.

Soft or liquid foods will never be restricted, so don't use those as

a test. when we do choose to eat them, we wiull have to self-linit to

1-1.5 cups of food.

Your doc should e giving you clear guidelines on fils, including the

Inamed " Fill Zone " card that describes good fill levels.

Sandy r

at goal x almost 4 yrs

>

> > I've had my band since August 16 and doing pretty well except

for the occasional

> > " stuck " incidents. I just recently had my third fill and for

the first few days stayed

> > on liquids as usual but was pretty hungry and wanted something

more substantial by day

> > three. All went well except for day four. Two bits of cream of

wheat and thought I

> > was going to die. Here we go again, the sliming, pain right

between the breasts, etc.

> > Ok, it finally passed and I survived.

>

> Sticky things are bad news for most of us. Sticky cereals like

that,

> or oatmeal, are off of my list for same reason. If you make them

VERY

> runny you might make it ok.

>

> > That was 8:00 this morning. It is now 4:30 in

> > the afternoon and am trying to eat yogurt, just plain old soft

yogurt. Two bites, BAM,

> > stuck.

>

> again, yogurt is gummy...and on my no no list as well. same for

many

> others.

>

> > Sitting in my stoma and making me feel miserable. I know

eventually it will go

> > down but here's my question: Do you think that getting food

stuck can make the stoma

> > swell temporarilyand thus make it more difficult for food to

pass through? I would

> > appreciate your imput.

>

> Yes, it can swell. It can also swell a lot when it is " that time

of

> the month " for many. Or stress. Or lots of other reasons, and for

me

> that includes salty food, or worse yet the food with msg in it.

>

> you might be too tight, but might not. forget that kind of stuff

> you're eating, and try a very small bite or three of some chicen

(dark

> meat) or some beef or something. and chew it very well. very well.

>

> don't eat a second bite until you're sure first one is ok

>

> dan

>

> --

> Best regards,

> Dan mailto:honu@...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, You do sound too tight to me.

After a fill, we should be on fluids for 24 hrs, then soft foods for

a day (or two) and then be able to eat solid meats and veggies by day

3-5 max. These are the band guidelines re fills. If we cannot do

these things, the band is too tight for stomach safety, and too tight

to meet essential nutrition needs.

With a decent fill (not too tight) we should be able to eat red meats

and turkey at least 3-4x a week (ground is fine) - these 2 meats are

essential for the iron content. no other meats or protein sources

have good iron, so we can easily become iron-deficient. It's not just

protein we need, but IRON-sources of protein.

You should not be getting stuck. By the third fill (which is at least

3-5 months out) , we should be pretty good about band rules - if we

are not, we should not be getting more and more fill. We should get

more fill ONLY if we are having no trouble at all with eating, and

are meeting all nutritional guidleines.

You do sound too tight to me, for either stomach safety or your

current level of bandster eating knowledge. By a couple months out,

our new eating should be pretty automatic. if it isn't, and we are

getting stuck often, we need to back off the fill until we are better

at the new eating needs, imo.

Sandy r

> > > >-Either or both!

> > > >The guideline for fills is that we should have liquids for 24

> hrs,

> > > >then a day or two of soft foods, then be ablre to go back to a

> normal

> > > >meal of meat and veggies (about 1-1.5 cups worth) within 3-5

> days

> > max.

> > > >You're unable to do that.

> > >

> > > Diane B

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sandy. I dont eat spaghetti. My normal meal is meat with

veggies -- either cooked or salads.

This week I felt like making homemade chicken soup.

I do think I need a fill. I am getting hungry too early and can eat a

bit more that 1 1/2 cups food.

I think I would like to lose a bit faster than I have been, but I

dont want to be too tight. I will be contacting them next week.

>Be sure you're testing the fill with good BAND foods, before you

>co0nsider more fill. A good test meal is 2-4 oz of solid meat or

>chicken, and 1/2 cup veggies. 1-1.5 cups should keep you satisfgied

>(not " FULL " ) for 3-4 hrs. Meals of soft foods like spaghetti, salads,

>soups, etc tell nbothing at all becuase the band never restricts soft

>foods or liquids.

>

>Hope this helps explain things -

>

>Sandy r

>

> > >-Either or both!

> > >The guideline for fills is that we should have liquids for 24 hrs,

> > >then a day or two of soft foods, then be ablre to go back to a normal

> > >meal of meat and veggies (about 1-1.5 cups worth) within 3-5 days

>max.

> > >You're unable to do that.

> >

> > Diane B

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do you think I should get an unfill? I have an APL band I had 4 cc's

first fill - 3 cc's second fill and 2 cc's third fill. I felt

nothing at 1st fill - some restriction (I think) at second fill and

very tight third fill.

Do they normally take out ALL of the fill or just a little?

> > > > >-Either or both!

> > > > >The guideline for fills is that we should have liquids for

24

> > hrs,

> > > > >then a day or two of soft foods, then be ablre to go back to

a

> > normal

> > > > >meal of meat and veggies (about 1-1.5 cups worth) within 3-5

> > days

> > > max.

> > > > >You're unable to do that.

> > > >

> > > > Diane B

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

just a comment about eating fowl. i have had difficulty eating

roast chicken or turkey since banding. it was just too dry and

caused me discomfort trying to get through my stoma.

however, this year, i brined my turkey. it was supposed to make it

more moist. turned out that was an understatement. the flesh of

this roasted turkey went downed like boiled chicken. it was so moist

and soft (not to mention delicious), i had no problems at all.

needless to say, i'm brining from now on.

george

> > > >-Either or both!

> > > >The guideline for fills is that we should have liquids for 24

> hrs,

> > > >then a day or two of soft foods, then be ablre to go back to a

> normal

> > > >meal of meat and veggies (about 1-1.5 cups worth) within 3-5

> days

> > max.

> > > >You're unable to do that.

> > >

> > > Diane B

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

ok george. what do you mean brine?

i have luckily had no problems with chicken.....sometimes with turkey.

i wish i had more problems eating food lately....

At 09:36 AM 11/25/2007, you wrote:

>just a comment about eating fowl. i have had difficulty eating

>roast chicken or turkey since banding. it was just too dry and

>caused me discomfort trying to get through my stoma.

>

>however, this year, i brined my turkey. it was supposed to make it

>more moist. turned out that was an understatement. the flesh of

>this roasted turkey went downed like boiled chicken. it was so moist

>and soft (not to mention delicious), i had no problems at all.

>

>needless to say, i'm brining from now on.

>

>george

>

>

>

> > > > >-Either or both!

> > > > >The guideline for fills is that we should have liquids for 24

> > hrs,

> > > > >then a day or two of soft foods, then be ablre to go back to a

> > normal

> > > > >meal of meat and veggies (about 1-1.5 cups worth) within 3-5

> > days

> > > max.

> > > > >You're unable to do that.

> > > >

> > > > Diane B

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello cindywebb1667,

Saturday, November 24, 2007, 7:59:18 PM, you wrote:

> Previous post forgot to mention that although I get stuck 2 times a

> meal I NEVER vomit or PB - it is just a tight painful feeling or I

> feel it go down.

If you're stuck, you're done for that meal. Period. Anything you eat

after that can cause more problems, whether you barf or not. You may

be able to keep that from happening by going to smaller bites, chewing

longer, and eating slowly. Really.

And, what things are getting stuck?

--

Best regards,

Dan mailto:honu@...

[Guest guest]

Yes, too tight = unfill needed ! :-)

We should never be too tight to eat well, and should never feel stuck

at every meal. After you refine your eating a bit more, you may be

able to safely tolerate this level of till in the future.

The new AP bands are very new, and no doc has much experience with

them yet, so i hope they will all go especially slowly with fills,

until they learn more.

We never want the biggest fill we can possibly tolerate; we want the

SMALLEST fill that helps us with our own good efforts. The bigger the

fill, the more problems, risks, and dangers.

Sandy r

> > > > > >-Either or both!

> > > > > >The guideline for fills is that we should have liquids for

> 24

> > > hrs,

> > > > > >then a day or two of soft foods, then be ablre to go back

to

> a

> > > normal

> > > > > >meal of meat and veggies (about 1-1.5 cups worth) within 3-

5

> > > days

> > > > max.

> > > > > >You're unable to do that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Diane B

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Chicken - turkey - cucumbers -and Corn are some of the things that

got stuck. Oh and Oatmeal for breakfast got stuck. If it was a

painful stuck - it was the end of the meal for me. Sometimes it is

just that I feel it go down so the next bite I make smaller and chew

longer.

>

> > Previous post forgot to mention that although I get stuck 2 times

a

> > meal I NEVER vomit or PB - it is just a tight painful feeling or

I

> > feel it go down.

>

> If you're stuck, you're done for that meal. Period. Anything you

eat

> after that can cause more problems, whether you barf or not. You

may

> be able to keep that from happening by going to smaller bites,

chewing

> longer, and eating slowly. Really.

>

> And, what things are getting stuck?

>

> --

> Best regards,

> Dan mailto:honu@...

>

[Guest guest]

I read somewhere that the makers suggest fills for the APL band at

3cc's 1st fill (for a total of 7cc since apparently there are 4cc's

in the band already) - then 2 cc's for 2nd fill and then .5 to 1 cc

on subsequent fills. Apparently my doc thought 2 cc's - pretty

aggressive I think, but I really wasn't feeling anything so he

probably thought .5 to 1 cc wouldn't do much - who knows. I'm going

to ask him to take .5 cc's out and see what happens. I wasn't

anywhere near optimal restriction before the last 2 cc fill and the 2

cc fills seems a tiny bit much - I think with .5 taken out - better

concentrated effort on my part with eating properly and a few days of

liquid to let the stoma rest I'll probably be in bandster heaven.

Thanks for the advice, Sandy.

cindy

> > > > > > >-Either or both!

> > > > > > >The guideline for fills is that we should have liquids

for

> > 24

> > > > hrs,

> > > > > > >then a day or two of soft foods, then be ablre to go

back

> to

> > a

> > > > normal

> > > > > > >meal of meat and veggies (about 1-1.5 cups worth) within

3-

> 5

> > > > days

> > > > > max.

> > > > > > >You're unable to do that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Diane B

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>