Re: KI

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Or you could very well try strongman competitions, we flip cars from

time to time

Snadden

Gatineau, Quebec

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Farley writes:

Dayton has a very non-mystical, western (meaning: mind over matter) position

on chi/ki. I think that is fine and makes the concept easier to understand

but it also lacks the depth needed for a complete study.

Thanks, , for hitting the nail on the head: the 'mind over matter'

approach is, in itself, almost a 100% guarantee of failure with any ki-based

system.

You're in Sunnyvale. Bob Frager is still in your area, a direct student of

O-Sensei, Uyeshiba. Bob's girlfriend back in the 1980s was also a contender in

women's bodybuilding at that time, Sue Ann McClean (think that's the

spelling). In any event, aside from being very advanced in aiki, Bob's also

worked with non-aiki athletes for cultivation of ki skills applied to other

sport. A splendid idea.

Ken O'Neill

Tucson, Arizona

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Dear Jan

It sounds like it's got a filler (to bulk up the 100micrograms) and

that's not dissolving....may be a cellulose type filler??

Best wishes

Bob

>

> Dear group (Bob?),

> I have here some capsules supposedly of KI.

> Back in 2002 I got a compounding pharmacy to make me up 100mg

> capsules of KI.. supposedly with nothing else added.

> It came back labelled 100mcg and on phoning I was told that was

what

> they thought I meant..I had specified for prevention of nuclear

> radiation damage and would only be taken in emergency etc.

> It looks like there is nothing added?.. no filler I mean.

> It looks like grains (like sand) but white..varying sizes. I guess

> there could be a filler in there.

>

> been trying some out in last few days..and it does give me the

acne..

> the iodine..and I think it tastes like KI I think I am beginning to

> recognise the taste.. so I think it may be 100mg of KI per capsule.

I

> am going to try to weigh it.. visit uni and see if I can get it

> weighed or weigh it myself to get some idea of the mass of the

> contents for starters.

> I can't think of any means to measure the iodide or KI contents.. I

> know I2 can be titrated with ascorbic acid.. but KI has me stumped?

> Have I forgotten that much Chem?

> Also how the heck do I dissolve it?

> I could try alcohol..but I'm unsure here KOH doesn't sound real

> great.. and I- ??

> It doesn't dissolve in water , even boiling water.

>

> It doesn't dissolve in evening primrose oil and VitE.. although it

> really makes a lovely scrub(exfoliant) I've discovered.. highly

> recommnded ...really best thing I've evr tried, skin is sooo soft..

> way better than just opening a capsule of EPO or EPO/VitE by

itself..

>

> Well I get an irritated thyroid if I take half a capsule.. so I

> suspect its 100mg a capsule

>

> Help?

> Anyone any idea on how to diisolve or measure it

> The caps are the smaller OO size.

>

> Jan

>

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Brilliant Bob

It was white rice.. coursely ground, not their typical grind;)

It smelt and softened like white rice.

Ok so it must be only 100mcg of KI in it then as it is mostly ground

white rice..still makes an excellent skin softener/exfoliant!

And here I was thinking it was inorganic and would keep forever!!!

Thing is, over the years I've tried some of these KI capsules

occassionally , and again last week, and it DOES

CONSISTENTLY " IRRITATE " my thyroid gland , even at only 1/4 capsule?

Also I've noted that multis with KI (usally 75mcg) also irritate my

thryoid..and yet a small amount so kelp( say an inch) didn't!

I could notice 2 inches of kelp , and more so 3 inches of kelp and

definitely similar to a whole capusle (100mcg of KI),6 inches or so

of kelp!

New dessert to try.. white rice milk pudding with added capsule of

KI? Perhaps it with bind with the milk proteins and not irritate?

sigh.. difficult to make small quantites of.. but will try , maybe

with egg cups or similar..

L & BW

Jan

PS. either the blood test waqs incorrect or I now have NO thryoid

antibodies detectable (<1).. or it isn't my blood?.. fingers

crossed, hey maybe arsenic gets rid of thyroid antibodies too......

doc didn't know anything about getting arsenic tested, as expected.

I don't feel like I still have thryoditis, so results consistent with

how I feel.

>

> Dear Jan

>

> It sounds like it's got a filler (to bulk up the 100micrograms)

and

> that's not dissolving....may be a cellulose type filler??

>

> Best wishes

> Bob

>

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I'm still surviving re the teeth pain , and perhaps also the tension

and grinding a bit, with thiamine coenzymated form sublinguals..

stick one on place of pain and it disappears.. this fits in IF it is

low dose arsenic poisoning..as I'd need the coenzymated form of B1 ..

as this is blocked by arsenic..

however the blood testresults are quite unexpected.. but a different

lab than I've ever had b4 and Not taken by a pathology lab collection

centre but at doctors.. it may have shown undetectable thyroid

antibodies due to bad collection.transport? or bad pathology .. or

blood mix-up.. The pathology labs you get to check they are correctly

labelled.. doc didn't give me that chance etc.

i really must find my old notes when I started on kelp.. wondering if

it fits in wiyth need for B1? I wish my memory was better!

>

> PS. either the blood test waqs incorrect or I now have NO thryoid

> antibodies detectable (<1).. or it isn't my blood?.. fingers

> crossed, hey maybe arsenic gets rid of thyroid antibodies too......

> doc didn't know anything about getting arsenic tested, as expected.

> I don't feel like I still have thryoditis, so results consistent

with

> how I feel.

>

>

>

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I guess I need to find out if any special requirements for

collection /transportation of thyroid antibodies..eg freezing etc..

and maybe these requirements weren't met... still after 6 years in

their thousands to suddenly undetectable(anti TPO, anti TG in

hundreds).. a little hope?

In which case was it the B1 or the kelp?

Strangely my TSH was good (1.6).. so close enough to where I want to

be at (1.1), and I hadn't taken any thryoid meds for 2 days, so great

really.

and my Ft4 and FT3 were " normal " but bottom part of range, as expected

when so long without meds?.. except it means my own thryoid is still

not " kicking in " .. if any is left, that is.

my antibodies could have zeroed due to litle thryoid tissue left..

another avenue to check via ultrsound if this undetecbale antibodies

holds in the longer term.. fingers crossed though XXXX. It's waht

I've been aiming for!

Still wondering, if it IS true, what did it though.. the iodine,

arsenic, kelp, B1, a big coincidence ??

ya know what else was strange .. perfect Sodium 140(135-145)..and

where I aim for feeling good too.. and yet I'd taken over a heaped

tablespoon of salt (mauritis Island hand harvested type) about 1.5-2

hrs previously to the blood test(must check if I wrote down when

anywhere exactly)?..and did feel over salted, although admittedly I

had craved salt for weeks before, and eaten a lot more than usual?

Potassium .. high, just at top of range 5.3 (3.5-5.3) which is NOt

typical for me?

? and hadn't eaten any bananas mmuch (didn't feel like them much)

AND had pigged out on licorice (and continued piggin out last

week)..I had presumed for adrenal support, but perhaps it was K

balance?

What would have caused this.. kelp? is it high in K?

It definitely had Na? As it was collected form ocean and not all

salt washed off..and tasted very salty too...??

thiamine?.. does it make K high?

everything else fairly typical for me..

wish they would measure pH.. that'd just be too hard!!

Still trying to work this all out?

L & BW

Jan

> I'm still surviving re the teeth pain , and perhaps also the

tension

> and grinding a bit, with thiamine coenzymated form sublinguals..

> stick one on place of pain and it disappears.. this fits in IF it

is

> low dose arsenic poisoning..as I'd need the coenzymated form of

B1 ..

> as this is blocked by arsenic..

> however the blood testresults are quite unexpected.. but a

different

> lab than I've ever had b4 and Not taken by a pathology lab

collection

> centre but at doctors.. it may have shown undetectable thyroid

> antibodies due to bad collection.transport? or bad pathology .. or

> blood mix-up.. The pathology labs you get to check they are

correctly

> labelled.. doc didn't give me that chance etc.

>

> i really must find my old notes when I started on kelp.. wondering

if

> it fits in wiyth need for B1? I wish my memory was better!

>

>

> >

> > PS. either the blood test waqs incorrect or I now have NO thryoid

> > antibodies detectable (<1).. or it isn't my blood?.. fingers

> > crossed, hey maybe arsenic gets rid of thyroid antibodies

too......

> > doc didn't know anything about getting arsenic tested, as

expected.

> > I don't feel like I still have thryoditis, so results consistent

> with

> > how I feel.

> >

> >

> >

>

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Dear Jan,

WOT -- no anti-bodies

something worked

but WOT

L & BW Bob

>> > I guess I need to find out if any special requirements for > collection /transportation of thyroid antibodies..eg freezing etc.. > and maybe these requirements weren't met... still after 6 years in > their thousands to suddenly undetectable(anti TPO, anti TG in > hundreds).. a little hope?> In which case was it the B1 or the kelp?> > Strangely my TSH was good (1.6).. so close enough to where I want to > be at (1.1), and I hadn't taken any thryoid meds for 2 days, so great > really.> > and my Ft4 and FT3 were"normal" but bottom part of range, as expected > when so long without meds?.. except it means my own thryoid is still > not "kicking in".. if any is left, that is. > my antibodies could have zeroed due to litle thryoid tissue left.. > another avenue to check via ultrsound if this undetecbale antibodies > holds in the longer term.. fingers crossed though XXXX. It's waht > I've been aiming for!> > Still wondering, if it IS true, what did it though.. the iodine, > arsenic, kelp, B1, a big coincidence ??> > ya know what else was strange .. perfect Sodium 140(135-145)..and > where I aim for feeling good too.. and yet I'd taken over a heaped > tablespoon of salt (mauritis Island hand harvested type) about 1.5-2 > hrs previously to the blood test(must check if I wrote down when > anywhere exactly)?..and did feel over salted, although admittedly I > had craved salt for weeks before, and eaten a lot more than usual?> > Potassium .. high, just at top of range 5.3 (3.5-5.3) which is NOt > typical for me?> ? and hadn't eaten any bananas mmuch (didn't feel like them much) > AND had pigged out on licorice (and continued piggin out last > week)..I had presumed for adrenal support, but perhaps it was K > balance?> > What would have caused this.. kelp? is it high in K? > It definitely had Na? As it was collected form ocean and not all > salt washed off..and tasted very salty too...??> > thiamine?.. does it make K high? > > everything else fairly typical for me.. > > wish they would measure pH.. that'd just be too hard!!> > Still trying to work this all out?> > L & BW> Jan> > > > > I'm still surviving re the teeth pain , and perhaps also the > tension > > and grinding a bit, with thiamine coenzymated form sublinguals.. > > stick one on place of pain and it disappears.. this fits in IF it > is > > low dose arsenic poisoning..as I'd need the coenzymated form of > B1 .. > > as this is blocked by arsenic..> > however the blood testresults are quite unexpected.. but a > different > > lab than I've ever had b4 and Not taken by a pathology lab > collection > > centre but at doctors.. it may have shown undetectable thyroid > > antibodies due to bad collection.transport? or bad pathology .. or > > blood mix-up.. The pathology labs you get to check they are > correctly > > labelled.. doc didn't give me that chance etc.> > > > i really must find my old notes when I started on kelp.. wondering > if > > it fits in wiyth need for B1? I wish my memory was better!> > > > > > > > > > PS. either the blood test waqs incorrect or I now have NO thryoid > > > antibodies detectable (<1).. or it isn't my blood?.. fingers > > > crossed, hey maybe arsenic gets rid of thyroid antibodies > too......> > > doc didn't know anything about getting arsenic tested, as > expected.> > > I don't feel like I still have thryoditis, so results consistent > > with > > > how I feel. > > > > > > > > >> >>

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Dear Jan,

One drop of dilute bleach ought to turn the contents of one capsule

blue/black (the starch reaction to iodine)..

L & BW Bob

> >

> > Dear Jan

> >

> > It sounds like it's got a filler (to bulk up the 100micrograms)

> and

> > that's not dissolving....may be a cellulose type filler??

> >

> > Best wishes

> > Bob

> >

>

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Just fixing up the record on this thread.. I still had thyroid

antibodies after taking the kelp form a year.. probably increased, but

a different test by a diufferent lab ..so can't really say.

Microsomal were 1/25600 (normal <1/100), also TG antibodies in

hundreds as usual.