Re: Reality check alert!

December 19, 2005

Lori -

I think you need to realize that EVERY person and EVERY body is different.

Just because certain things did or did not work for you, do not mean they will

have the same effect on others. It is obvious that you love flushes and want to

promote them positively, but just because others dont think that they are as

effective for them as they are for you, myself included, does NOT mean that they

are wrong or need a " Reality Check! " .

You say you lived with pain pills for 30 years? Than who are you to talk to a

group of people trying desperately to fix their pain naturally (or unnaturally

if they decide) like they are less than you because they have questions that

have been asked multiple times or who you dont think are preparing properly for

a flush? Why do you care so much if someone else's gallbladder " isn't saved " ?

It's not your body. Bravo to the people on here even attempting to do research

on their own before doing surgery. If you dont want to be on a list where

people ask questions about gallbladders and liver flushes, then maybe you should

unsubscribe instead of subjecting people who are already stressed out about the

situation to your tantrums about how 'they' need a reality check. Seriously,

nobody on this list is better than anyone else, we are supposed to be here to

help each other.

Lori <skydanse@...> wrote:

I'm probably venting here a little bit but I have to express an opinion here

but I think there needs to be a reality check.

Folks, I feel like people are doing this without the proper preparation and

patience (I know it's hard to be patient when you're in agony). I have been

dealling with this for almost 30 years and didn't even realize what was

wrong. I lived off of serious pain pills during these attacks for decades

and was wondering why doctors wouldn't take the time to find out what was

wrong with me. At least yours was correctly diagnosed. If only this group

had existed decades ago for me it would have made the difference.

My first flush didn't do me any good -- yes, it was a total failure. I

threw up everything, maybe passed one or two stones at the most and I felt

like crap afterwards. But I was *desperate* not to lose my gallbladder so I

didn't give up.

Then I ordered the Chinese herbs from www.sensiblehealth.com out of

desperation and I hung in there for a little longer (too long actually --

six months) and did my second flush in the middle of a severe attack. That

second flush was amazing and made a huge difference. I think you're just

giving up too easily plus just doing one flush may make things worse later

on. And then I can see it now -- I did a flush and now I'm losing my

gallbladder -- it was all the flush's fault! No it wasn't -- take

responsibility for the fact that you didn't put a whole lot of effort into

saving your organ. At least a lot of people here can say that they've done

everything possible to keep their body intact without letting some greedy

surgeon getting his or her way.

You want a quick fix (mentality that runs rampant in this country) and it

just ain't gonna happen.

You can't just take herbs and expect things to magically go away -- you

can't have surgery and guarantee that it will be fixed -- in fact there's a

huge likelihood that the problems go deeper than just your gallbladder. You

have to flush and flush repeatedly (but no more than every two weeks,

preferably). I took the Chinese herbs but the flushing afterwards made the

difference. Even the lady doctor who sells these herbs suggests flushing.

Plus this takes some major lifestyle changes too. You just can't eat the

way you've been eating that got you into this situation. I've tried

everything under the sun but finally came to my own conclusions about what

my body likes.

I eat plenty of raw foods with some meat and try to avoid the dairy

(although I do allow myself butter on occasion) and try to stick with

unprocessed foods (I also have to avoid most grains as well since don't

tolerate wheat and several other grains well at all. I also cook with

coconut oil instead of vegetable oils which are trans fat factories.

Anything to help my liver along.

But your body may have different needs. Order s' Moritz's books,

order the Liver Cleansing Diet by Cabot. Come on! Find out what

works for you. If you're running a fever or throwing up uncontrollably, then

there might be a reason for urgency. But if you're just having the pain

(and, yes, I know how severe it is), there's a light at the end of the

tunnel that doesn't have to involve losing an important organ and finding

out the hard way that it didn't fix the problem. What is the underlying

problem is in your liver? Care to lose that one as well?

We get a lot of repeat questions. Read the past posts. There are a lot of

answers that have been posted time and time again just in the past several

months alone.

My two cents.

Lori

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December 19, 2005

What is saying is that removing gallstones will improve liver

gallbladder function for everyone but her it is not for her. And if

she wants to believe that she can. We do not know if is from

the planet mars and maybe has a diffrent waste removal system then

us. Or maybe she may have a better way to deal with gallstone

removal. perhaps she has a photon gun that disolves them. We do not

know everything. Some people treat medical conditions with denial

, turning up loud music and singing loud to drowned out the

symptoms. So I will let have her own way. And I hope the way

she chooses

gives her better health.

S. wrote:

> Lori -

>

> I think you need to realize that EVERY person and EVERY body is

> different. Just because certain things did or did not work for you,

> do not mean they will have the same effect on others. It is obvious

> that you love flushes and want to promote them positively, but just

> because others dont think that they are as effective for them as they

> are for you, myself included, does NOT mean that they are wrong or

> need a " Reality Check! " .

>

> You say you lived with pain pills for 30 years? Than who are you to

> talk to a group of people trying desperately to fix their pain

> naturally (or unnaturally if they decide) like they are less than you

> because they have questions that have been asked multiple times or who

> you dont think are preparing properly for a flush? Why do you care so

> much if someone else's gallbladder " isn't saved " ? It's not your

> body. Bravo to the people on here even attempting to do research on

> their own before doing surgery. If you dont want to be on a list

> where people ask questions about gallbladders and liver flushes, then

> maybe you should unsubscribe instead of subjecting people who are

> already stressed out about the situation to your tantrums about how

> 'they' need a reality check. Seriously, nobody on this list is better

> than anyone else, we are supposed to be here to help each other.

>

> Lori <skydanse@...> wrote:

> I'm probably venting here a little bit but I have to express an

> opinion here

> but I think there needs to be a reality check.

>

> Folks, I feel like people are doing this without the proper

> preparation and

> patience (I know it's hard to be patient when you're in agony). I

> have been

> dealling with this for almost 30 years and didn't even realize what was

> wrong. I lived off of serious pain pills during these attacks for decades

> and was wondering why doctors wouldn't take the time to find out what was

> wrong with me. At least yours was correctly diagnosed. If only this

> group

> had existed decades ago for me it would have made the difference.

>

> My first flush didn't do me any good -- yes, it was a total failure. I

> threw up everything, maybe passed one or two stones at the most and I

> felt

> like crap afterwards. But I was *desperate* not to lose my

> gallbladder so I

> didn't give up.

>

> Then I ordered the Chinese herbs from www.sensiblehealth.com out of

> desperation and I hung in there for a little longer (too long actually

> --

> six months) and did my second flush in the middle of a severe attack.

> That

> second flush was amazing and made a huge difference. I think you're just

> giving up too easily plus just doing one flush may make things worse

> later

> on. And then I can see it now -- I did a flush and now I'm losing my

> gallbladder -- it was all the flush's fault! No it wasn't -- take

> responsibility for the fact that you didn't put a whole lot of effort

> into

> saving your organ. At least a lot of people here can say that they've

> done

> everything possible to keep their body intact without letting some greedy

> surgeon getting his or her way.

>

> You want a quick fix (mentality that runs rampant in this country) and it

> just ain't gonna happen.

>

> You can't just take herbs and expect things to magically go away -- you

> can't have surgery and guarantee that it will be fixed -- in fact

> there's a

> huge likelihood that the problems go deeper than just your

> gallbladder. You

> have to flush and flush repeatedly (but no more than every two weeks,

> preferably). I took the Chinese herbs but the flushing afterwards

> made the

> difference. Even the lady doctor who sells these herbs suggests flushing.

>

> Plus this takes some major lifestyle changes too. You just can't eat the

> way you've been eating that got you into this situation. I've tried

> everything under the sun but finally came to my own conclusions about

> what

> my body likes.

>

> I eat plenty of raw foods with some meat and try to avoid the dairy

> (although I do allow myself butter on occasion) and try to stick with

> unprocessed foods (I also have to avoid most grains as well since don't

> tolerate wheat and several other grains well at all. I also cook with

> coconut oil instead of vegetable oils which are trans fat factories.

> Anything to help my liver along.

>

> But your body may have different needs. Order s' Moritz's books,

> order the Liver Cleansing Diet by Cabot. Come on! Find out what

> works for you. If you're running a fever or throwing up

> uncontrollably, then

> there might be a reason for urgency. But if you're just having the pain

> (and, yes, I know how severe it is), there's a light at the end of the

> tunnel that doesn't have to involve losing an important organ and finding

> out the hard way that it didn't fix the problem. What is the underlying

> problem is in your liver? Care to lose that one as well?

>

> We get a lot of repeat questions. Read the past posts. There are a

> lot of

> answers that have been posted time and time again just in the past

> several

> months alone.

>

> My two cents.

>

> Lori

>

> Learn more from our experience, over 7.000 liver flush stories:

> http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=4

> http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=80

> http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=100

> http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=112

>

> Liver Cleanse Recipe: http://CureZone.com/cleanse/liver/

>

> Liver Flush FAQ: http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73

>

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> http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/cleanse_flush/

> http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/intrahepatic_stones/

>

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>

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December 19, 2005

,

is here to learn from others. So am I. I know you fervently believe this

is the

only way, but not all of us have the same assurance you do. We are wanting to

learn

more in a safe learning environment, not be bombasted. Everyone has to make

their

own decisions. What is right for one person is not necessarily right for the

new

" learners " .

Kathleen

On 19 Dec 2005 at 11:57, Belskis wrote:

> What is saying is that removing gallstones will improve liver

> gallbladder function for everyone but her it is not for her. And if

> she wants to believe that she can. We do not know if is from

> the planet mars and maybe has a diffrent waste removal system then

> us. Or maybe she may have a better way to deal with gallstone

> removal. perhaps she has a photon gun that disolves them. We do not

> know everything. Some people treat medical conditions with denial

> , turning up loud music and singing loud to drowned out the

> symptoms. So I will let have her own way. And I hope the way

> she chooses

> gives her better health.

December 20, 2005

I am being very tolerant I am agreeing with , and am being open

to some knowledge I may not yet have. After all I dont know

everything and some times being rational is very irrational. If you

tell Doctors you removed your gallstones at home over the weekend they

make think your irrational and may not believe you. Sometimes being

irrational makes the truth clearer.

Kathleen wrote:

> ,

> is here to learn from others. So am I. I know you fervently

> believe this is the

> only way, but not all of us have the same assurance you do. We are

> wanting to learn

> more in a safe learning environment, not be bombasted. Everyone has to

> make their

> own decisions. What is right for one person is not necessarily right

> for the next

> person for an infinite number of reasons. Please be a little more

> tolerant of us new

> " learners " .

>

> Kathleen

>

> On 19 Dec 2005 at 11:57, Belskis wrote:

>

> > What is saying is that removing gallstones will improve

> liver

> > gallbladder function for everyone but her it is not for her.

> And if

> > she wants to believe that she can. We do not know if is

> from

> > the planet mars and maybe has a diffrent waste removal system then

> > us. Or maybe she may have a better way to deal with gallstone

> > removal. perhaps she has a photon gun that disolves them. We do not

> > know everything. Some people treat medical conditions with

> denial

> > , turning up loud music and singing loud to drowned out the

> > symptoms. So I will let have her own way. And I hope the

> way

> > she chooses

> > gives her better health.

>