Re: Derrick Lonsdale response to Abraham/Gaby Debate

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no I have had none. sometime my throat feels sensitive, I am aware of it.

I realized that last weekend when I felt bad and hyper, I had taken some extra HGH. That might have been my problem b/c I haven't had probs since then.

Gracia

Carol mentioned this response to the Abraham/Gaby debate in a recent email. Since it was pretty short, I decided to include it in entirety. In the author's experience, Iodoral can be associated with problems with swallowing, and might be confused with gastroesophageal reflux. Have any of you had experiences similar to the ones reported by Lonsdale??? Zoe

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To speak to Dr. Lonsdale's comments, in my experience

one symptom of hypothyroid can be esophagitis,

which can influence swallowing. If this symptom is not already

on the long list of hypothyroid symptoms, it should be added IMO.

I feel high dose iodine is toxic for many, and perhaps

beneficial for others at least short-term, I do question

longterm viability at the high doses of 50 mg or even 12.5 mg

daily, and suspect most people will go either hyper- and/or

hypothyroid at some point with these high doses over longer

periods of time.

I see iodine dose sensitivity varying widely.

I predict that most hypothyroid persons will find more stability

in a natural T4/T3 med such as Armour plus modest amounts of

iodine somewhere between the MDR of 150 mcg and the World Health

Organization's toxic limit of 1000 mcg daily longterm,

than trying to normalize thyroid levels via high iodine longterm,

or a combination of lowered thyroid meds plus high iodine

longterm.

Carol Willis

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> Carol mentioned this response to the Abraham/Gaby debate in a

recent email. Since it was pretty short, I decided to include it in

entirety. In the author's experience, Iodoral can be associated

with problems with swallowing, and might be confused with

gastroesophageal reflux. Have any of you had experiences similar to

the ones reported by Lonsdale??? Zoe

>

>

> More about iodine by Derrick Lonsdale, Townsend Letter, April 2006

>

> Three articles appeared recently in The Original Internist (1-3)

concerning clinical research with the use of iodine/iodide in

megadoses. Our medical group, consisting of three MDs and one

ND/Acupuncturist decided that we should try to find out whether any

one of us was iodine-deficient. Our practice is in the Great Lakes

region that was described as the " Goiter Belt " by Brownstein.

(3) We therefore followed Brownstein's recommendation for the

iodine/iodide loading test. Five individuals within our office took

the test and, by the criteria outlined, we were all iodine-deficient.

>

> Three of us, two MDs and our Laboratory Director, then proceeded

to take the 50 mg of Iodoral a day with the intention of repeating

the iodine/iodide loading test after three months of treatment.

After about six weeks of continuous treatment, I experienced

dysphagia, resulting in lower chest pain on swallowing both food and

fluids. This was particularly marked with hot fluids, a totally new

experience for me. I told the Laboratory Director that I was going

to discontinue taking the Iodoral since I had concluded that it was

the potential cause. To my surprise, she told me that she had

experienced exactly the same symptom and had also discontinued the

treatment. The other two MDs who took the treatment did not

experience this symptom. Some four weeks after discontinuation of

the Iodoral, we both continue to experience the same kind of

dysphagia, although it is much milder. We can only conclude that we

experienced some esophagitis though this has not been proved by

further study.

>

> If this is indeed a toxic effect of the Iodoral, we concluded that

it needed to be drawn to the attention of the CAM medical community.

If the conclusions are correct, we should expect to hear that

other " guinea pigs " have experienced something similar. The question

remains in our minds as to whether the test outlined by Brownstein

is an accurate determination of chronic iodine deficiency. It may

well be that iodine has a sensitive dose relationship like that

which is so well known with selenium, for example, and with other

minerals. The question, put so eloquently recently by Alan Gaby (4)

is whether we are embarking on a strategy that can be toxic for some

while beneficial for those sick individuals reported by these

Brownstein and his co-author, Guy Abraham. Indeed, as Gaby

questioned later, (5) of the 4,000 patients treated by the Michigan

Clinic, how many were carefully monitored in detail for potential

side effects? Since gastroesophageal reflux (GER) is mentioned in a

drug commercial as a common affliction, it might be that some

patients who are being treated with high-dose iodine would never

conclude that GER might be related to the iodine consumption. It

might not be recognized as a side effect even by a physician, since

it is so remote from any expected or predicted symptom.

>

> Derrick Lonsdale MD, FAAP, FACN

>

>

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_273/ai_n16118926#c

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>

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One person in our Iodine Investigation Project with history of hypothyroidism experienced difficult swallowing after taking Iodoral. She continued Iodoral at a lower dose and the swallowing difficulty went away after a couple of weeks.

Lynne

ZOE writes:

<<Have any of you had experiences similar to the ones reported by Lonsdale??? >> Zoe

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> From: " ladybugsandbees " ladybugsandbees@...

>Dr. Brownstein only recommends the use of high doses of Iodine for 3 mos

>and then to retest. At this point most are no longer deficient and can go

>down to the 12.5 mg recommended dose. My ND recommends 25 mg for those

>that are deficient. He cannot get to Dr. B's 50 mg recommendation but is

>watching me to see what happens. For me I have no thyroid so the effect on

>my " thyroid " is not there. I have not noticed a change in my NTH needed

>but then again I was not optimized when I began Iodine therapy.

>

>Dr. Brownstein is using high doses of iodine in my case because it was

>totally undetectable and my thyroid cancer markers were on the rise. He

>has seen iodine to have an apoptotic effect on the thyroid cancer cells.

>This is what we are seeing in my case. I started 50 mg of Iodoral on

>3/20/06 and as of my last blood draw on 4/25/06 my Tg (thyroglobulin -

>cancer marker) was down 4.3 points. If it would not have come down he was

>going to increase my dose by 12.5 mg.

>

>My problem in all this has been that I was labeled " Iodine resistant " .

>With all my RAI's I had an uptake of only .2 or .3% where most patients

>range in the 12-20%. After three rounds of RAI without success I decided

>that it was time to get help from someone who did not want to blast me with

>radiation. From what Dr. Brownstein said to me, the more deficient you are

>the less the iodine receptors are (or less " open " ) to taking in iodine.

>The only way to get them to open up again is to hit them with very large

>amounts of iodine. I am hoping that when I see him in July that he will

>test my iodine levels again. He does special tests with me given I am in

>his Thyroid cancer / Iodine clinical study.

Living in West Michigan, makes iodine deficiency very likely. Iodine and

selenium are almost non-existent in the area.

My thyroid doc said that was part of what causes thyroid cancer, or at least

that's my interpretation because it's likely to raise TSH. what happens he

says is that the TSH elevates. When TSH elevates, the thyroid tries to keep

up and if it can't, the cells grow. Eventually, these growing cells become

cancerous.

A lot of people say there's no iodine deficiency in the USA. Yet, we've

been told to cut our salt, it's not in salty things like potato chips, so in

areas like west Michigan, it's hard to get adequate amounts. Mix in the

fluoridated water, the fact that salt is not the best carrier for iodine to

begin with because of the other halogen in it, it's likely deficiency in

this area isn't at all rare.

Skipper

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I believe this swallowing problem would be related to magnesium deficiency that

Brownstein tries to guard against by recommending 1200mg of mag. The

esophageal sphincter can spasm and not close entirely. I believe alot of

hypothyroid people develop GERD or reflux because of the muscle spasms brought

about by mag deficiency; not to mention the intense stress a deficiency causes.

Magnesium is also useful at acid reduction and is used in most anti-acids

also. My brothers life long spastic colon has cleared up on mag supplementing.

Prilosec, Nexium and Zegerid are all popular medications used in the treatment

of GERD and reflux. They are ALL a patented form of magnesium called

`MAGNESIUM SALTS OF OMEPRAZOLE(or esomeprazole)'. Like Beta-blockers they are

being recommended instead of magnesium supplements.

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic3/esomeprazole.htm

--- Zoe & <ZOEA@...> wrote:

> Carol mentioned this response to the Abraham/Gaby debate in a recent email.

> Since it was pretty short, I decided to include it in entirety. In the

> author's experience, Iodoral can be associated with problems with swallowing,

> and might be confused with gastroesophageal reflux. Have any of you had

> experiences similar to the ones reported by Lonsdale??? Zoe

>

>

> More about iodine by Derrick Lonsdale, Townsend Letter, April 2006

>

> Three articles appeared recently in The Original Internist (1-3) concerning

> clinical research with the use of iodine/iodide in megadoses. Our medical

> group, consisting of three MDs and one ND/Acupuncturist decided that we

> should try to find out whether any one of us was iodine-deficient. Our

> practice is in the Great Lakes region that was described as the " Goiter Belt "

> by Brownstein. (3) We therefore followed Brownstein's recommendation

> for the iodine/iodide loading test. Five individuals within our office took

> the test and, by the criteria outlined, we were all iodine-deficient.

>

> Three of us, two MDs and our Laboratory Director, then proceeded to take the

> 50 mg of Iodoral a day with the intention of repeating the iodine/iodide

> loading test after three months of treatment. After about six weeks of

> continuous treatment, I experienced dysphagia, resulting in lower chest pain

> on swallowing both food and fluids. This was particularly marked with hot

> fluids, a totally new experience for me. I told the Laboratory Director that

> I was going to discontinue taking the Iodoral since I had concluded that it

> was the potential cause. To my surprise, she told me that she had experienced

> exactly the same symptom and had also discontinued the treatment. The other

> two MDs who took the treatment did not experience this symptom. Some four

> weeks after discontinuation of the Iodoral, we both continue to experience

> the same kind of dysphagia, although it is much milder. We can only conclude

> that we experienced some esophagitis though this has not been proved by

> further study.

>

> If this is indeed a toxic effect of the Iodoral, we concluded that it needed

> to be drawn to the attention of the CAM medical community. If the conclusions

> are correct, we should expect to hear that other " guinea pigs " have

> experienced something similar. The question remains in our minds as to

> whether the test outlined by Brownstein is an accurate determination of

> chronic iodine deficiency. It may well be that iodine has a sensitive dose

> relationship like that which is so well known with selenium, for example, and

> with other minerals. The question, put so eloquently recently by Alan Gaby

> (4) is whether we are embarking on a strategy that can be toxic for some

> while beneficial for those sick individuals reported by these Brownstein and

> his co-author, Guy Abraham. Indeed, as Gaby questioned later, (5) of the

> 4,000 patients treated by the Michigan Clinic, how many were carefully

> monitored in detail for potential side effects? Since gastroesophageal reflux

> (GER) is mentioned in a drug commercial as a common affliction, it might be

> that some patients who are being treated with high-dose iodine would never

> conclude that GER might be related to the iodine consumption. It might not be

> recognized as a side effect even by a physician, since it is so remote from

> any expected or predicted symptom.

>

> Derrick Lonsdale MD, FAAP, FACN

>

> http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_273/ai_n16118926#continue

>

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>

> I believe this swallowing problem would be related to magnesium

> deficiency that

> Brownstein tries to guard against by recommending 1200mg of mag.

Most people are going reach bowel tolerance of magnesium long

before 1200 mg (though this depends on the form/type of magnesium).

Carol

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I believe this swallowing problem would be related to magnesium deficiency thatBrownstein tries to guard against by recommending 1200mg of mag.

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He only has me on 400 mg of Magnesium w/ 50 mg Iodoral.

Buist

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Sorry, Abraham recommends taking magnesium in daily amounts up to 1200 mg while

supplementing iodine.

--- ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

> I believe this swallowing problem would be related to magnesium deficiency

> that

> Brownstein tries to guard against by recommending 1200mg of mag.

> =========================================================

>

> He only has me on 400 mg of Magnesium w/ 50 mg Iodoral.

>

> Buist

>

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