Re: Re: Lithium Orotate as trace mineral

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According to Nieper's studies (he has probably done the most studies with

the orotates) Lithium Orotate does not trigger the harmful side effects that

normally occur with high doses of lithium acetate, carbonate, or citrate.

Some practitioners (especially conventional medicine) discredit the work of

Dr. Nieper (even though Dr. Nieper is an MD) and I think mainly this is

because he was truly a man " before his time. " In using Lithium Orotate

with clients, I have not any seen side effects that adjustment in dosage

didn't relieve. And the side effects were nothing that would cause

immediate alarm.

Of course, anything can be toxic at some point---even water. Lithium

Orotate allows a person to take it, with results, at much lower levels then

the pharmaceutical Lithium. There have been times that I have taken much

more than even the therapeutic dose and had no side effects at all. I am

not recommending this at all, but only to say that I do have experience with

using it myself.

I think the " NO side effects " conveys that compared to the sometimes huge

side-effects of pharmaceutical Lithium the side effects of Lithium Orotate

would be on the very, very low end. There are always exceptions. Again, I

have been using LO for 5 years and have not had anyone that could not

tolerate it. I would highly recommend that people be under a healthcare

professional while using Lithium.

Were you using Lithium Orotate that is made according to Dr. Nieper's

specifications? I believe that there are some that are manufacturing

Lithium Orotate without using Dr. Nieper's specifications. And, of course,

some people may not need lithium as their health concerns may involve other

supplemental or dietary changes.

Loretta

Re: Lithium Orotate as trace mineral

" Dr. Loretta Lanphier " <LorettaLanphier@...> wrote:

> and depression. Lithium orotate (the lithium salt

> of orotic acid) is 20

> times more bio-active than other lithium salts,

> allowing a reduction in

> dosage greatly reducing the likelihood and severity

> of potential side effects.

I've also seen figures of Lith Oro being 10x more active

than Lith Carb in the same amounts. And if we look at the

effective amounts of Lith Oro and Lith Carb used in bipolar,

it would seem that Lith Oro is about 4-5x more active

than Lith Carb.

> When organic Lithium is

> combined with Orotate, it is reported to be

> many times more effective than

> the chemical, inorganic Lithium and to have NO side effects.

Any mineral is going to be toxic at some amount for the

individual, so I question the claim of no side effects

especially since I experienced several with Lith Oro

at 10-15 mg. for a few days.

Carol

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Just took a quick look at VRP Lithium Orotate and it doesn't look like they

are using Nieper's formula. He required a food glaze coating on the orotate

products in order to make it through the acids of the stomach. This is very

necessary. And the fact that it is in a capsule tells me that, depending

upon the acidity of one's stomach (which varies in every person according to

age, health concerns, etc.) will probably not completely make it to the

duodenum.

Yes, it should the amount should be determined as to what the health concern

is.

Guess we should get back to iodine. Sorry, list. )

Loretta

Re: Lithium Orotate as trace mineral

>

> " Dr. Loretta Lanphier " <LorettaLanphier@> wrote:

> > and depression. Lithium orotate (the lithium salt

> > of orotic acid) is 20

> > times more bio-active than other lithium salts,

> > allowing a reduction in

> > dosage greatly reducing the likelihood and severity

> > of potential side effects.

>

> I've also seen figures of Lith Oro being 10x more active

> than Lith Carb in the same amounts. And if we look at the

> effective amounts of Lith Oro and Lith Carb used in bipolar,

> it would seem that Lith Oro is about 4-5x more active

> than Lith Carb.

>

>

> > When organic Lithium is

> > combined with Orotate, it is reported to be

> > many times more effective than

> > the chemical, inorganic Lithium and to have NO side effects.

>

> Any mineral is going to be toxic at some amount for the

> individual, so I question the claim of no side effects

> especially since I experienced several with Lith Oro

> at 10-15 mg. for a few days.

>

> Carol

>

Iodine

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Loretta, Carol and, bbb,

Thank you for this discussion. If there is a sodium regulating factor, I'm sure it's relative to iodine. Some report sodium cravings much reduced on iodine supplementation. One wonders what's happening on the cellular level.

I've found that several alt med docs are using Lithium but not up on Neiper who has been respected for years in the alt cancer field. When patients use lithium orotate, do they have to be blood tested? Also, Loretta, where do you get your glazed lithium orotate?

Thanks, Lynne

In a message dated 11/6/2006 2:32:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, LorettaLanphier@... writes:

Just took a quick look at VRP Lithium Orotate and it doesn't look like theyare using Nieper's formula. He required a food glaze coating on the orotateproducts in order to make it through the acids of the stomach. This is verynecessary. And the fact that it is in a capsule tells me that, dependingupon the acidity of one's stomach (which varies in every person according toage, health concerns, etc.) will probably not completely make it to theduodenum.

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One thing I am sure of: We don't need blood testing

while taking lithium orotate. The reason is explained

very well by Nieper. This form of lithium is

completely absorbed by the cells such that nothing

remains to be tested in the blood. It is due to such

excellent absorption that we need very small dose and

that dose is far far below the toxicity level. Such is

not the case with lithium carbonate.

Some critics say if lithium orotate is not toxic then

why nobody else than Nieper has worked on it? Critics

also say that lithium in any form is toxic. In any

case lithium is naturally found in sea foods

especially kelp. Non-critics give many advantages of

lithium.

In the mainstream psychiatry I know in Vienna general

hospital they try several forms of lithium if the

lithium carbonate is found not working. But they have

not tried its orotate form.

Ratan.

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Address: 7- NA- 16

Jawahar Nagar

Jaipur- 302004 INDIA

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- Certified Behavior Therapist (from late Prof. J.

Wolpe's Unit, Temple University Medical School,

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--- Lynne234923@... wrote:

>

> Loretta, Carol and, bbb,

>

> Thank you for this discussion. If there is a sodium

> regulating factor, I'm

> sure it's relative to iodine. Some report sodium

> cravings much reduced on

> iodine supplementation. One wonders what's

> happening on the cellular level.

>

> I've found that several alt med docs are using

> Lithium but not up on Neiper

> who has been respected for years in the alt cancer

> field. When patients use

> lithium orotate, do they have to be blood tested?

> Also, Loretta, where do you

> get your glazed lithium orotate?

>

> Thanks, Lynne

>

> In a message dated 11/6/2006 2:32:15 A.M. Eastern

> Standard Time,

> LorettaLanphier@... writes:

>

> Just took a quick look at VRP Lithium Orotate and

> it doesn't look like they

> are using Nieper's formula. He required a food

> glaze coating on the orotate

> products in order to make it through the acids of

> the stomach. This is very

> necessary. And the fact that it is in a capsule

> tells me that, depending

> upon the acidity of one's stomach (which varies in

> every person according to

> age, health concerns, etc.) will probably not

> completely make it to the

> duodenum.

>

>

>

>

Ratan Singh

Phone: 91 141 2652561

Address: 7- NA- 16

Jawahar Nagar

Jaipur- 302004 INDIA

----------

- Certificate in Food & Nutrition;

- Author of " Nutrition & Supplements in Major Mental Illnesses " ;

- M.A. (Psychol), Postgraduate Diploma in Medical & Social Psychology, Ph.D.;

- Certified Behavior Therapist (from late Prof. J. Wolpe's Unit, Temple

University Medical School, Philadelphia, USA);

- Hypnotist, Biofeedback and Meditation Therapist.

- Family, Marital and Sex Therapist.

->Consultant Nutritional & Clinical Psychologist in Jaipur Hospital, India.

psych_58@...,

www.jaipurmart.com/trade/meditationandhealth,

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hi Ratan

do you use lithium there in India? How are you doing with the iodine? I was seen at Vienna hospital when I began to have thyroid probs at age 21!! My eyelids were twitching so they x-rayed my brain! and then told me I was crazy. OMG

namaste

Gracia

One thing I am sure of: We don't need blood testingwhile taking lithium orotate. The reason is explainedvery well by Nieper. This form of lithium iscompletely absorbed by the cells such that nothingremains to be tested in the blood. It is due to suchexcellent absorption that we need very small dose andthat dose is far far below the toxicity level. Such isnot the case with lithium carbonate. Some critics say if lithium orotate is not toxic thenwhy nobody else than Nieper has worked on it? Criticsalso say that lithium in any form is toxic. In anycase lithium is naturally found in sea foodsespecially kelp. Non-critics give many advantages oflithium. In the mainstream psychiatry I know in Vienna generalhospital they try several forms of lithium if thelithium carbonate is found not working. But they havenot tried its orotate form.Ratan.-------Ratan SinghPhone: 91 141 2652561Address: 7- NA- 16Jawahar NagarJaipur- 302004 INDIA----------- Certificate in Food & Nutrition;- Author of "Nutrition & Supplements in Major MentalIllnesses";- M.A. (Psychol), Postgraduate Diploma in Medical & Social Psychology, Ph.D.;- Certified Behavior Therapist (from late Prof. J.Wolpe's Unit, Temple University Medical School,Philadelphia, USA);- Hypnotist, Biofeedback and Meditation Therapist.- Family, Marital and Sex Therapist.->Consultant Nutritional & Clinical Psychologist inJaipur Hospital, India.psych_58 , www.jaipurmart.com/trade/meditationandhealth,meditationandcancer-subscribeegroups--- Lynne234923aol wrote:> > Loretta, Carol and, bbb,> > Thank you for this discussion. If there is a sodium> regulating factor, I'm > sure it's relative to iodine. Some report sodium> cravings much reduced on > iodine supplementation. One wonders what's> happening on the cellular level.> > I've found that several alt med docs are using> Lithium but not up on Neiper > who has been respected for years in the alt cancer> field. When patients use > lithium orotate, do they have to be blood tested?> Also, Loretta, where do you > get your glazed lithium orotate?> > Thanks, Lynne> > In a message dated 11/6/2006 2:32:15 A.M. Eastern> Standard Time, > LorettaLanphierhouston (DOT) rr.com writes:> > Just took a quick look at VRP Lithium Orotate and> it doesn't look like they> are using Nieper's formula. He required a food> glaze coating on the orotate> products in order to make it through the acids of> the stomach. This is very> necessary. And the fact that it is in a capsule> tells me that, depending> upon the acidity of one's stomach (which varies in> every person according to> age, health concerns, etc.) will probably not> completely make it to the> duodenum.> > > > Ratan SinghPhone: 91 141 2652561Address: 7- NA- 16Jawahar NagarJaipur- 302004 INDIA----------- Certificate in Food & Nutrition;- Author of "Nutrition & Supplements in Major Mental Illnesses";- M.A. (Psychol), Postgraduate Diploma in Medical & Social Psychology, Ph.D.;- Certified Behavior Therapist (from late Prof. J. Wolpe's Unit, Temple University Medical School, Philadelphia, USA);- Hypnotist, Biofeedback and Meditation Therapist.- Family, Marital and Sex Therapist.->Consultant Nutritional & Clinical Psychologist in Jaipur Hospital, India.psych_58 , www.jaipurmart.com/trade/meditationandhealth,meditationandcancer-subscribeegroups__________________________________________________________Sponsored LinkTalk more and pay less. Vonage can save you up to $300 a year on your phone bill. Sign up now. http://www.vonage.com/startsavingnow/

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Carol,

Could you describe the results?

Thanks,

Lynne

In a message dated 11/6/2006 12:46:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cbwillis9@... writes:

I broke open the gelatin capsule and used the amount of aspeck of dust as a sublingual. Results were perceptiblewithin seconds.

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Very, very interesting. Thanks Carol

--- cbwillis9 <cbwillis9@...> wrote:

> The immediate result was the room seems to brighten

> up

> quite remarkably, I'd call this a clarity of mind

> and

> more energy of some kind. That happened

> every time I took the lith oro as a trace elment,

> began within

> seconds of taking a tiny amount of the lith oro

> powder into

> the mouth, about the amount of a grain or two of

> granulated sugar

> or regular salt. I clocked it at about 5-15

> seconds, every time.

> Needless to say, I was impressed.

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