Re: Iodine & Mercury

[Guest guest]

"Mercury competes with iodine in the cells just like halides." -- Chantal

I have been trying to get information on exactly how mercury relates to iodine. Does anyone have specific information on how it acts "just like halides"?

Does anyone have other information on how iodine and mercury relate in the body???

Thanks.

Zoe

[Guest guest]

Hi Zoe,

I'm back. After methylating mercury last year, and having all the doctors tell me I was going to die, I'm still here, and even feel good and like going and having fun. If anyone wonders why I went away it is just that it has been such a long time since I felt like running and throwing boomerangs and having fun that I unsubscribed from all the iodine and mercury related groups and just wanted to take some time for myself.

There is an old msg I pointed people to that explains some of the interaction between mercury and iodine, it is at this url:

http://mastermindresearch.com/anonymous

I still have a very high confidence level in all the conclusions in this msg, I just have a better simpler model now.

I can explain in detail a lot of the interaction between mercury and iodine in simple easy to understand terms, but it's more than I can write in a few messages. Maybe there is some way to do a phone call or something and record it. I was also thinking about doing a research dump here in the Tampa area just to get all the data out there in easy to understand terms, along with the research protocol I used to restore my iodine reserves. The good news is my chronic fatigue is gone, along with my emf sensitivity and chemical sensitivity, and my temp is getting close to 98.6 again.

Briefly, iodine, bromine, chlorine, and flourine are halogens, or salt forming elements. (halo=salt, gen=generating). Iodine and chlorine are used by the human body everywhere, and must be in balance. bromine and flourine are most waste products, produced whenever chlorine or iodine burn or rearrange something in the body. All of the salt-forming elements form compounds (halides) with other elements, like sodium, potassium, etc. Including mercury. But where biocompatible halides like sodium-chloride, potassium chloride, sodium iodide and potassium iodide are required in balance by the human body, mercury salts like mercuric chloride and mercuric iodide are very disruptive to the body. The more iodine you take the more you will displace and force loose mercury, bromine, and flourine. If your body does not have the resources to get rid of these compounds you can get recirculating, especially if you are thin and a metabolizer.

Cheers,

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Zoe & Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 1:46 PMiodine Subject: Re: Iodine & Mercury

"Mercury competes with iodine in the cells just like halides." -- Chantal

I have been trying to get information on exactly how mercury relates to iodine. Does anyone have specific information on how it acts "just like halides"?

Does anyone have other information on how iodine and mercury relate in the body???

Thanks.

Zoe

[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting this .  I have been looking at this article (printed it out) and starting researching about the NDF and LiverLife, which I am ordering today.  I found an interesting thing I wanted to share.  It turns out autistic children who start using the NDF start to come out of their autistic states.  As I researched it, I kept being directed to parents of autistic children e-mail groups.  Interesting.   I am hoping it will help me feel better.  I am so tired all the time, the thyroid drugs don't seem to be improving my health a lot.  Maybe this will help the iodine work better.  I am upping my iodine too now.Heres a link about these product if anyone wants to know more:http://www.thenaturalhealthadvocates.shoppingcartsplus.com/detox.html---------------------------------- On Jun 5, 2006, at 4:06 PM, Littleton wrote:I'm back. After methylating mercury last year, and having all the doctors tell me I was going to die, I'm still here, and even feel good and like going and having fun. If anyone wonders why I went away it is just that it has been such a long time since I felt like running and throwing boomerangs and having fun that I unsubscribed from all the iodine and mercury related groups and just wanted to take some time for myself. There is an old msg I pointed people to that explains some of the interaction between mercury and iodine, it is at this url: http://mastermindresearch.com/anonymous I still have a very high confidence level in all the conclusions in this msg, I just have a better simpler model now. I can explain in detail a lot of the interaction between mercury and iodine in simple easy to understand terms, but it's more than I can write in a few messages. Maybe there is some way to do a phone call or something and record it. I was also thinking about doing a research dump here in the Tampa area just to get all the data out there in easy to understand terms, along with the research protocol I used to restore my iodine reserves. The good news is my chronic fatigue is gone, along with my emf sensitivity and chemical sensitivity, and my temp is getting close to 98.6 again. Briefly, iodine, bromine, chlorine, and flourine are halogens, or salt forming elements. (halo=salt, gen=generating). Iodine and chlorine are used by the human body everywhere, and must be in balance. bromine and flourine are most waste products, produced whenever chlorine or iodine burn or rearrange something in the body. All of the salt-forming elements form compounds (halides) with other elements, like sodium, potassium, etc. Including mercury. But where biocompatible halides like sodium-chloride, potassium chloride, sodium iodide and potassium iodide are required in balance by the human body, mercury salts like mercuric chloride and mercuric iodide are very disruptive to the body. The more iodine you take the more you will displace and force loose mercury, bromine, and flourine. If your body does not have the resources to get rid of these compounds you can get recirculating, especially if you are thin and a metabolizer. Cheers,

[Guest guest]

Hi, .

Glad you are back. I'm also glad you are feeling so much better and taking some time to have some fun. It is awesome that your chronic fatigue has gone, together with your EMF sensitivity, and that even your temperature is returning to the human range!

Thanks for your thought-provoking comments on mercury and iodine. Here are some of the thoughts that got triggered for me (interspersed with yours).

You say, "Iodine, bromine, chlorine, and fluorine are halogens, or salt forming elements. (halo=salt, gen=generating). Iodine and chlorine are used by the human body everywhere, and must be in balance. Zoe: Yes

Bromine and fluorine are most waste products, produced whenever chlorine or iodine burn or rearrange something in the body. Zoe: Yes, bromine and fluorine are mostly waste (or toxic) products as far as the body is concerned. No, they are not in the body because chlorine or iodine are burning or rearranging something. We're talking about elements here, so they are not changing their form. The compounds may change, but not the elements themselves. The bromine and fluorine are in our bodies because they are ubiquitous in our environment and food/water supply.

All of the salt-forming elements form compounds (halides) with other elements, like sodium, potassium, etc. Including mercury. But where biocompatible halides like sodium-chloride, potassium chloride, sodium iodide and potassium iodide are required in balance by the human body, mercury salts like mercuric chloride and mercuric iodide are very disruptive to the body. Zoe: Sounds right.

The more iodine you take the more you will displace and force loose mercury, bromine, and fluorine. Zoe: Yes, with regards to bromine and fluorine. I think it is pretty well established that iodine competes with the other halides, and if you get enough iodine, some of the bromine and fluorine can be forced out, especially in the reuptake process in the kidneys. However, I don't know what is happening with respect to the mercury. I don't know that iodine can get into the cells and change a mercury halide compound. I don't even know what happens to a mercury compound in solution (i.e., the blood). We need to understand what is happening to mercury/iodine (1) in the blood solution and (2) in cells of various organs (thyroid, other glands, brain, etc).

If your body does not have the resources to get rid of these compounds you can get recirculating, especially if you are thin and a metabolizer. Zoe: Yes. If the mercury is just being set free, it can redamage the body if it is not escorted out of the body appropriately. As far as I know, the bromine and fluorine are already circulating in the blood and causing whatever damage they cause.

Zoe

I'm back. After methylating mercury last year, and having all the doctors tell me I was going to die, I'm still here, and even feel good and like going and having fun. If anyone wonders why I went away it is just that it has been such a long time since I felt like running and throwing boomerangs and having fun that I unsubscribed from all the iodine and mercury related groups and just wanted to take some time for myself.

There is an old msg I pointed people to that explains some of the interaction between mercury and iodine, it is at this url:

http://mastermindresearch.com/anonymous

I still have a very high confidence level in all the conclusions in this msg, I just have a better simpler model now.

I can explain in detail a lot of the interaction between mercury and iodine in simple easy to understand terms, but it's more than I can write in a few messages. Maybe there is some way to do a phone call or something and record it. I was also thinking about doing a research dump here in the Tampa area just to get all the data out there in easy to understand terms, along with the research protocol I used to restore my iodine reserves. The good news is my chronic fatigue is gone, along with my emf sensitivity and chemical sensitivity, and my temp is getting close to 98.6 again.

Briefly, iodine, bromine, chlorine, and flourine are halogens, or salt forming elements. (halo=salt, gen=generating). Iodine and chlorine are used by the human body everywhere, and must be in balance. bromine and flourine are most waste products, produced whenever chlorine or iodine burn or rearrange something in the body. All of the salt-forming elements form compounds (halides) with other elements, like sodium, potassium, etc. Including mercury. But where biocompatible halides like sodium-chloride, potassium chloride, sodium iodide and potassium iodide are required in balance by the human body, mercury salts like mercuric chloride and mercuric iodide are very disruptive to the body. The more iodine you take the more you will displace and force loose mercury, bromine, and flourine. If your body does not have the resources to get rid of these compounds you can get recirculating, especially if you are thin and a metabolizer.

Cheers,

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Zoe & Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 1:46 PMiodine Subject: Re: Iodine & Mercury

"Mercury competes with iodine in the cells just like halides." -- Chantal

I have been trying to get information on exactly how mercury relates to iodine. Does anyone have specific information on how it acts "just like halides"?

Does anyone have other information on how iodine and mercury relate in the body???

Thanks.

Zoe

[Guest guest]

Hi Zoe,

Thanks for the welcome back, and for the comments. It's good to have you and others questioning and thinking for themselves!

Having worked with nanotechnology (substances smaller than atoms) and in the semiconductor industry sometimes I have a very different view of things, like atoms. Part of why I want to do this live and record it and get a transcript is that I am much better at bringing together different areas of science when talking live, and when I have a better idea of the background of those in the audience. I love to simplify things, as I have to do that for myself to learn them in the first place, but I am never exactly sure how to word things without knowing where people are at. For me I like to dumb things down to the max, but I don't want to insult anyone else. I'd love an audience to share their knowledge and help me get this in an easier to understand form.

Anyway, as for iodine and chlorine changing elemental form, let me see if I can state it better. As if regular atomic chemistry wasn't complex enough. sheesh. I'd just like to state in advance that I really hate atomic chemistry. LOL. And frankly, except for a few elements like iodine, mercury, manganese, and sulphur, I don't think its that beneficial to try and look at the human body atomically any more than I look at my organic vegetable garden atomically.

When iodine or chlorine react with certain clusters of other elements, they can form things that mimick the exact characteristics of metalic and nonmetalic elements. For example iodine and aluminum clusters of atoms can exactly mimick the known properties of bromine. This is partly the science of superatoms. You can read a little here http://www.afrlhorizons.com/Briefs/Jun05/OSRH0503.html

Lets see if I can do it simpler.

One of the functions of iodine in the body is to accelerate the burning of goopy stuff inside cells to provide energy under stress. It can do this by attaching iodine hormones to the cell, such as the iodine hormone T3. When enough has been burned, then reverse T3 is used to put on the brakes. Once burned, the resulting combined iodine compounds have to be removed or broken down and recycled and the cell rehydrated. Mercury impairs both the process of burning and the process of putting on the brakes as these require sulphur and selelenium compunds and mercury binds to both. In fact the name for sulphur is "mercaptan", which means mercury capture.

There is also a similar function of chlorine in the body, with the burned result being combined chlorine compounds that need to be broken down and recycled.

The waste resulting from goop in cells being partially burned by iodine and chlorine will test positive by tests for bromine and flourine.

An example you can do... if you take spray starch, and spray it on your hand, and then paint it with lugols, it will turn brown as the starch is all burned up (in the body the brakes are put on before everything is burned, but not here). The resulting burned starch along with the minerals in the skin will usually test positive for bromine. You can do this test yourself with spray starch, lugols, and bromine test strips from a pool supply. Now before your hand is permanently stained you can rub a vitamin c capsule on the burned area. Wherever you touch the vitamin c, it will turn your hand back to it's normal color and produce a jellylike slime as it breaks down the combined waste product. One reason why the more iodine you take and the more old waste is being burned in your body, the more vitamin c you can take without a reaction.

Got a call I need to take. More later. Cheers,

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Zoe & Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 4:46 PMiodine Subject: Re: Iodine & Mercury

Hi, .

Glad you are back. I'm also glad you are feeling so much better and taking some time to have some fun. It is awesome that your chronic fatigue has gone, together with your EMF sensitivity, and that even your temperature is returning to the human range!

Thanks for your thought-provoking comments on mercury and iodine. Here are some of the thoughts that got triggered for me (interspersed with yours).

You say, "Iodine, bromine, chlorine, and fluorine are halogens, or salt forming elements. (halo=salt, gen=generating). Iodine and chlorine are used by the human body everywhere, and must be in balance. Zoe: Yes

Bromine and fluorine are most waste products, produced whenever chlorine or iodine burn or rearrange something in the body. Zoe: Yes, bromine and fluorine are mostly waste (or toxic) products as far as the body is concerned. No, they are not in the body because chlorine or iodine are burning or rearranging something. We're talking about elements here, so they are not changing their form. The compounds may change, but not the elements themselves. The bromine and fluorine are in our bodies because they are ubiquitous in our environment and food/water supply.

All of the salt-forming elements form compounds (halides) with other elements, like sodium, potassium, etc. Including mercury. But where biocompatible halides like sodium-chloride, potassium chloride, sodium iodide and potassium iodide are required in balance by the human body, mercury salts like mercuric chloride and mercuric iodide are very disruptive to the body. Zoe: Sounds right.

The more iodine you take the more you will displace and force loose mercury, bromine, and fluorine. Zoe: Yes, with regards to bromine and fluorine. I think it is pretty well established that iodine competes with the other halides, and if you get enough iodine, some of the bromine and fluorine can be forced out, especially in the reuptake process in the kidneys. However, I don't know what is happening with respect to the mercury. I don't know that iodine can get into the cells and change a mercury halide compound. I don't even know what happens to a mercury compound in solution (i.e., the blood). We need to understand what is happening to mercury/iodine (1) in the blood solution and (2) in cells of various organs (thyroid, other glands, brain, etc).

If your body does not have the resources to get rid of these compounds you can get recirculating, especially if you are thin and a metabolizer. Zoe: Yes. If the mercury is just being set free, it can redamage the body if it is not escorted out of the body appropriately. As far as I know, the bromine and fluorine are already circulating in the blood and causing whatever damage they cause.

Zoe

I'm back. After methylating mercury last year, and having all the doctors tell me I was going to die, I'm still here, and even feel good and like going and having fun. If anyone wonders why I went away it is just that it has been such a long time since I felt like running and throwing boomerangs and having fun that I unsubscribed from all the iodine and mercury related groups and just wanted to take some time for myself.

There is an old msg I pointed people to that explains some of the interaction between mercury and iodine, it is at this url:

http://mastermindresearch.com/anonymous

I still have a very high confidence level in all the conclusions in this msg, I just have a better simpler model now.

I can explain in detail a lot of the interaction between mercury and iodine in simple easy to understand terms, but it's more than I can write in a few messages. Maybe there is some way to do a phone call or something and record it. I was also thinking about doing a research dump here in the Tampa area just to get all the data out there in easy to understand terms, along with the research protocol I used to restore my iodine reserves. The good news is my chronic fatigue is gone, along with my emf sensitivity and chemical sensitivity, and my temp is getting close to 98.6 again.

Briefly, iodine, bromine, chlorine, and flourine are halogens, or salt forming elements. (halo=salt, gen=generating). Iodine and chlorine are used by the human body everywhere, and must be in balance. bromine and flourine are most waste products, produced whenever chlorine or iodine burn or rearrange something in the body. All of the salt-forming elements form compounds (halides) with other elements, like sodium, potassium, etc. Including mercury. But where biocompatible halides like sodium-chloride, potassium chloride, sodium iodide and potassium iodide are required in balance by the human body, mercury salts like mercuric chloride and mercuric iodide are very disruptive to the body. The more iodine you take the more you will displace and force loose mercury, bromine, and flourine. If your body does not have the resources to get rid of these compounds you can get recirculating, especially if you are thin and a metabolizer.

Cheers,

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Zoe & Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 1:46 PMiodine Subject: Re: Iodine & Mercury

"Mercury competes with iodine in the cells just like halides." -- Chantal

I have been trying to get information on exactly how mercury relates to iodine. Does anyone have specific information on how it acts "just like halides"?

Does anyone have other information on how iodine and mercury relate in the body???

Thanks.

Zoe

[Guest guest]

When I did the 24hr loading iodine test through Dr. Flechas last year, I also did the urine toxic metals test and all of the results, including mercury were low. Mahin

kennio@... writes:

I've asked this before with no replies. Has anyone every had any test thatshowed low (or high) mercury in their systems? Hair analysis, blood, urine? Iwonder what test Brownstein uses to track this, any idea?

[Guest guest]

I've been waiting to see if someone would post more info on this because this was news to me.  I just googled "iodine detox and mercury" and this is one of post I saw.  I would like to see more, something more "official" if you will.  Since they are selling product I want to know more from an uninterested party.http://www.eidon.com/iodine_article.htmJust an excerpt:"Several mechanisms are utilized to remove the mercury. In order for these detoxification mechanisms to work properly, numerous essential minerals are utilized. Iodine, Zinc, Sulfur, Selenium, and Silica stimulate the excretion of heavy metals including mercury. Iodine is at the top of the list when it comes to mercury removal." On Jul 16, 2006, at 4:52 AM, Zoe & wrote:Thanks, !  Very interesting. 4 years.  I guess I don't need to worry about my levels still being low at three months.  I wonder if he was implying that it takes longer to reach saturation if you have high bromide levels.  I wonder what the various factors are that affect how long it takes to reach saturation.  4 years is a VERY long time! Thanks for asking him the mercury question.  I'm still very curious about how iodine detoxes mercury.  I assume that the way they know that it detoxes mercury is that extra mercury shows up in the urine, more than the baseline levels without iodine.  I wonder how much data they have on this issue.  It is really a crucial issue. ZoeI had my appt on Thursday and we discussed Iodine.  Two things I wanted to share.  He said that it took him 4 years to get Iodine saturated with supplementing 50 mg Iodoral and using the Iodine loading test.  He said he was throwing off huge amounts of bromide.  He has no clue where it came from. I asked him how Iodine detoxes Mercury.  I asked if it binds like DMSA or DMPS and he said they do not know how it does it just that it does.  That was frustrating to me.  LOL!  I want to know.  I think he does too.  Makes me wonder if it crosses the blood / brain barrier.   B.

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You can watch Dr. Brownsteins "Iodine Detox" video and that will tell you some info.

http://vitamincfoundation.org/videos/#BROWNSTEIN

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Re: Iodine & mercury

I've been waiting to see if someone would post more info on this because this was news to me. I just googled "iodine detox and mercury" and this is one of post I saw. I would like to see more, something more "official" if you will. Since they are selling product I want to know more from an uninterested party.

http://www.eidon.com/iodine_article.htm

Just an excerpt:

"Several mechanisms are utilized to remove the mercury. In order for these detoxification mechanisms to work properly, numerous essential minerals are utilized. Iodine, Zinc, Sulfur, Selenium, and Silica stimulate the excretion of heavy metals including mercury. Iodine is at the top of the list when it comes to mercury removal."

On Jul 16, 2006, at 4:52 AM, Zoe & wrote:

Thanks, ! Very interesting.

4 years. I guess I don't need to worry about my levels still being low at three months. I wonder if he was implying that it takes longer to reach saturation if you have high bromide levels. I wonder what the various factors are that affect how long it takes to reach saturation. 4 years is a VERY long time!

Thanks for asking him the mercury question. I'm still very curious about how iodine detoxes mercury. I assume that the way they know that it detoxes mercury is that extra mercury shows up in the urine, more than the baseline levels without iodine. I wonder how much data they have on this issue. It is really a crucial issue.

Zoe

I had my appt on Thursday and we discussed Iodine. Two things I wanted to share. He said that it took him 4 years to get Iodine saturated with supplementing 50 mg Iodoral and using the Iodine loading test. He said he was throwing off huge amounts of bromide. He has no clue where it came from.

I asked him how Iodine detoxes Mercury. I asked if it binds like DMSA or DMPS and he said they do not know how it does it just that it does. That was frustrating to me. LOL! I want to know. I think he does too. Makes me wonder if it crosses the blood / brain barrier.

B.

[Guest guest]

I've asked this before with no replies. Has anyone every had any test that

showed low (or high) mercury in their systems? Hair analysis, blood, urine? I

wonder what test Brownstein uses to track this, any idea?

--- Cassidy <christinecassidy@...> wrote:

> I've been waiting to see if someone would post more info on this

> because this was news to me. I just googled " iodine detox and

> mercury " and this is one of post I saw. I would like to see more,

> something more " official " if you will. Since they are selling

> product I want to know more from an uninterested party.

>

> http://www.eidon.com/iodine_article.htm

>

> Just an excerpt:

>

> " Several mechanisms are utilized to remove the mercury. In order for

> these detoxification mechanisms to work properly, numerous essential

> minerals are utilized. Iodine, Zinc, Sulfur, Selenium, and Silica

> stimulate the excretion of heavy metals including mercury. Iodine is

> at the top of the list when it comes to mercury removal. "

>

>

>

>

> On Jul 16, 2006, at 4:52 AM, Zoe & wrote:

>

> > Thanks, ! Very interesting.

> >

> > 4 years. I guess I don't need to worry about my levels still being

> > low at three months. I wonder if he was implying that it takes

> > longer to reach saturation if you have high bromide levels. I

> > wonder what the various factors are that affect how long it takes

> > to reach saturation. 4 years is a VERY long time!

> >

> > Thanks for asking him the mercury question. I'm still very curious

> > about how iodine detoxes mercury. I assume that the way they know

> > that it detoxes mercury is that extra mercury shows up in the

> > urine, more than the baseline levels without iodine. I wonder how

> > much data they have on this issue. It is really a crucial issue.

> >

> > Zoe

> >

> > I had my appt on Thursday and we discussed Iodine. Two things I

> > wanted to share. He said that it took him 4 years to get Iodine

> > saturated with supplementing 50 mg Iodoral and using the Iodine

> > loading test. He said he was throwing off huge amounts of

> > bromide. He has no clue where it came from.

> >

> > I asked him how Iodine detoxes Mercury. I asked if it binds like

> > DMSA or DMPS and he said they do not know how it does it just that

> > it does. That was frustrating to me. LOL! I want to know. I

> > think he does too. Makes me wonder if it crosses the blood / brain

> > barrier.

> >

> >

> > B.

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the link, . I've written to see if they have any info on mercury and iodine that we do not have. I rather suspect they have just Abraham, Brownstein, and Flechas' comments, but who knows?

Zoe

Re: Iodine & mercury

I've been waiting to see if someone would post more info on this because this was news to me. I just googled "iodine detox and mercury" and this is one of post I saw. I would like to see more, something more "official" if you will. Since they are selling product I want to know more from an uninterested party.

http://www.eidon.com/iodine_article.htm

Just an excerpt:

"Several mechanisms are utilized to remove the mercury. In order for these detoxification mechanisms to work properly, numerous essential minerals are utilized. Iodine, Zinc, Sulfur, Selenium, and Silica stimulate the excretion of heavy metals including mercury. Iodine is at the top of the list when it comes to mercury removal."

On Jul 16, 2006, at 4:52 AM, Zoe & wrote:

Thanks, ! Very interesting.

4 years. I guess I don't need to worry about my levels still being low at three months. I wonder if he was implying that it takes longer to reach saturation if you have high bromide levels. I wonder what the various factors are that affect how long it takes to reach saturation. 4 years is a VERY long time!

Thanks for asking him the mercury question. I'm still very curious about how iodine detoxes mercury. I assume that the way they know that it detoxes mercury is that extra mercury shows up in the urine, more than the baseline levels without iodine. I wonder how much data they have on this issue. It is really a crucial issue.

Zoe

I had my appt on Thursday and we discussed Iodine. Two things I wanted to share. He said that it took him 4 years to get Iodine saturated with supplementing 50 mg Iodoral and using the Iodine loading test. He said he was throwing off huge amounts of bromide. He has no clue where it came from.

I asked him how Iodine detoxes Mercury. I asked if it binds like DMSA or DMPS and he said they do not know how it does it just that it does. That was frustrating to me. LOL! I want to know. I think he does too. Makes me wonder if it crosses the blood / brain barrier.

B.

[Guest guest]

I most certainly can answer this since I am his patient and deep in the heart of chelation with him. I had my hair analysis done with my ND prior to seeing him so we did not do one but he uses a lab called King Medical Laboratory. http://www.kingjamesomegatech-lab.com/ - here is the hair test http://www.kingjamesomegatech-lab.com/overview.htm . My hair test showed very low mercury. Dr. Brownstein does hair tests before amalgam removal or with people w/o as my gf is seeing Dr. Nusbaum and has no amalgams but was given this test as well. I am thinking I am quite toxic based on the symptoms I have had. I have had high anxiety since the DMPS test.

Once I completed amalgam removal I contacted him and he started me on a chelation protocol. This is the protocol. Plus I am doing 50 mg Iodoral which assists in the detoxing too.

I am using something called Heavy Detox. It is a DMSA base product with some other additives. http://storesense.paradata.dxstorm.com/centerforholisticmedicine/Detail.bok?no=115http://www.antiaging-systems.com/a2z/heavydetox.htm I take 2 at night before bed.I am also taking these supporting supplements:Chlorella - 1 tab 2x / day http://storesense.paradata.dxstorm.com/centerforholisticmedicine/Detail.bok?no=61Cilantro Drops - 3 drops in hot water 2x / day http://storesense.paradata.dxstorm.com/centerforholisticmedicine/Detail.bok?no=66Mercurius Viv - 3 pellets sublingually 2x / day http://storesense.paradata.dxstorm.com/centerforholisticmedicine/Detail.bok?no=151Buffered C Powder - 2 scoops 2x/day http://storesense.paradata.dxstorm.com/centerforholisticmedicine/Detail.bok?no=47I added some Renegan DTX (Metagenics) to support my kidney and I also take Metagenics UltraClear pH to help keep my body pH balanced. It is VERY expensive to do this but I think it is good to support your body. These are on the advice if my ND.I was told that this protocol would only harm me and redistribute the mercury but I am finding symptoms leaving like my burning tongue that came when my last amalgam was placed. I also do not grit and grind my teeth as much and my ND said that my TMJ was much improved.==========================================

Now post 3 weeks of Chelation I saw Dr Brownstein on Thursday. I asked him how we would know when I was doing better or how long we should chelate. He told me that he does a DMPS Challenge test. Well, I was a bit uneasy about this considering all the bad press it has been given. I questioned him on this and he said he has literally given it to thousands of patients with only one person having side effects and even that he questions was related to the DMPS. So I had an injection of 50 mg DMPS and then did a 6 hour urine collection and on Monday I will send a sample to King Medical Labs. http://www.kingjamesomegatech-lab.com/serv02.htm My results will be in in about 3 weeks I am told so until then I am not doing any chelating. It is VERY expensive. He says based on the results that will determine the dosage of the chelator and the length of time. He says they do periodic DMPS challenges to see how I am progressing. My ND want's to do another hair analysis in 9 mos. We'll see. The shot was $80 and the Test is $50 so this isn't something I want to do too often. My insurance more than likely will not cover this either.

BTW are you the I have been chatting with on the Chelation group?

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Re: Iodine & mercury

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, I had a hair analysis several years ago, while I was still eating fish, that reported very high levels of mercury -- way above the 99% mark. A couple months ago I had another one. This one showed very low levels of mercury. I haven't eaten much fish since I discovered it is highly related to blood and hair levels of mercury.

But I don't know how to measure body stores of mercury -- especially in the brain.

Zoe

I've asked this before with no replies. Has anyone every had any test thatshowed low (or high) mercury in their systems? Hair analysis, blood, urine? Iwonder what test Brownstein uses to track this, any idea?

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Zoe wrote:

> , I had a hair analysis several years ago, while I was still

> eating fish, that reported very high levels of mercury -- way above

> the 99% mark. A couple months ago I had another one. This one

> showed very low levels of mercury. I haven't eaten much fish since

> I discovered it is highly related to blood and hair levels of

> mercury.

>

> Zoe

Hi Zoe, You've been taking the Iodoral for a while now... what's

your sense of how much the lowered fish consumption, also the

iodoral, contributed to the lower mercury levels as reflected in

the hair analysis? If we hypothesize for the moment that

100% of the improvement is due to lowered fish consumption and

how much due to iodoral, what % would you give each? as a rough

guestimate?

Carol

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>Mercurius Viv - 3 pellets sublingually 2x / day

>http://storesense.paradata.dxstorm.com/centerforholisticmedicine/

>Detail.bok?no=151

This is homeopathic mercury in a 6x potency.

1 pellet once a day will be just as effective as 6 per day,

in using a 6x potency. That is just how homeopathy works.

It is mathematically elegant and one does not benefit qualitatively

from the extra quantity of pellets per day.

A 6x potency will still have a few molecules of the crude substance

in it, in this case Mercury. With a toxin such as mercury, one

wants to limit exposure to the crude substance.

This fact, coupled with that 1 pellet will work as well as six per

day, says to me that classical homeopathic knowledge is not being

applied in the use of this product.

Carol Willis

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My article archive in Files, blog, Links, not a discussion group.

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That's what the DMPS challenge test is supposed to do. I think it is still up for debate though. It seems to be the only way to get it out of the cells.

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Re: Iodine & mercury

, I had a hair analysis several years ago, while I was still eating fish, that reported very high levels of mercury -- way above the 99% mark. A couple months ago I had another one. This one showed very low levels of mercury. I haven't eaten much fish since I discovered it is highly related to blood and hair levels of mercury.

But I don't know how to measure body stores of mercury -- especially in the brain.

Zoe

I've asked this before with no replies. Has anyone every had any test thatshowed low (or high) mercury in their systems? Hair analysis, blood, urine? Iwonder what test Brownstein uses to track this, any idea?

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Yes you told me that before but in this case I want to follow the recommendations of Dr. Brownstein. He told me to take it that way and my ND concurred.

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Re: Iodine & mercury

>Mercurius Viv - 3 pellets sublingually 2x / day >http://storesense.paradata.dxstorm.com/centerforholisticmedicine/>Detail.bok?no=151This is homeopathic mercury in a 6x potency.1 pellet once a day will be just as effective as 6 per day,in using a 6x potency. That is just how homeopathy works.It is mathematically elegant and one does not benefit qualitativelyfrom the extra quantity of pellets per day. A 6x potency will still have a few molecules of the crude substancein it, in this case Mercury. With a toxin such as mercury, onewants to limit exposure to the crude substance.This fact, coupled with that 1 pellet will work as well as six perday, says to me that classical homeopathic knowledge is not beingapplied in the use of this product. Carol Williswillis_protocolsMy article archive in Files, blog, Links, not a discussion group.

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Forgot to add that the dosage I am using is the one from the bottle (mfgr recommendation) as well .

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Re: Iodine & mercury

>Mercurius Viv - 3 pellets sublingually 2x / day >http://storesense.paradata.dxstorm.com/centerforholisticmedicine/>Detail.bok?no=151This is homeopathic mercury in a 6x potency.1 pellet once a day will be just as effective as 6 per day,in using a 6x potency. That is just how homeopathy works.It is mathematically elegant and one does not benefit qualitativelyfrom the extra quantity of pellets per day. A 6x potency will still have a few molecules of the crude substancein it, in this case Mercury. With a toxin such as mercury, onewants to limit exposure to the crude substance.This fact, coupled with that 1 pellet will work as well as six perday, says to me that classical homeopathic knowledge is not beingapplied in the use of this product. Carol Williswillis_protocolsMy article archive in Files, blog, Links, not a discussion group.

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> Forgot to add that the dosage I am using is the one from the

bottle

>(mfgr recommendation) as well .

I consider all bottle " recommended " amounts as legal

maximums for practical purposes, whether homeopathic,

vitamin/mineral, herbal, other supplements.

Many people will do as well, or much better, on smaller amounts

of some things. Rarely, one will need to exceed bottle

recommendations, for individual needs.

By all means, follow your MD's and ND's and chiro's recs. It's

a nightmare for them when you don't (i.e. patient compliance).

My earlier post on Merc Viv 6x was intended to be generally

educational only.

Carol

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Carol,

If the Iodoral had been helping with the mercury, I would have expected higher blood levels and, thus, higher hair levels. So in my case, I think the mercury (at least the blood levels) had lowered significantly before Iodoral. So, I don't think the Iodoral was making a major difference. I was actually a bit concerned that Iodoral might loosen up the mercury and not escort it out of the body, so I was relieved that the hair levels were low. Zoe

Hi Zoe, You've been taking the Iodoral for a while now... what's your sense of how much the lowered fish consumption, also theiodoral, contributed to the lower mercury levels as reflected inthe hair analysis? If we hypothesize for the moment that100% of the improvement is due to lowered fish consumption andhow much due to iodoral, what % would you give each? as a roughguestimate?Carol

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> I've asked this before with no replies. Has anyone every had any test

that

> showed low (or high) mercury in their systems? Hair analysis, blood,

urine?

Andy Cutler, a PhD biochemist who suffered and recovered himself from

amalgam illness, and author of the book Amalgam Illness, has developed a

protocol to diagnose and treat mercury toxicity. He recommends Doctor's

Data, Inc. hair analysis as the test of choice. Unless the person has had

recent exposure to mercury, mercury will probably not show up high in any

test, be it hair analysis, blood, or urine. People have posted that they

have had high mercury levels on hair analysis, but usually they are either

eating high amounts of fish on a regular basis, or they have had industrial

exposure such as a fireman might get.

Mercury quickly gets removed from the bloodstream and gets sequestered away

in the organs and brain, and a low mercury result does not mean the person

does not have mercury toxicity. In fact, a very low mercury result on a

hair analysis probably means the person is not excreting mercury and has

high storage amounts in their body. However, mercury will disrupt mineral

transport, so you can tell it's there because of disrupted mineral patterns.

What Andy has developed is a counting protocol that looks to see how many

minerals are either above or under the reference range. If you're

interested, I could give you a link that explains his 5 counting rules. I

met 2 of his counting rules which showed mercury toxicity.

The only urine test that Andy feels is valid is a fractionated urine

porphyrin test, and he thinks it's not necessary to do that test unless a

person needs validation of mercury toxicity for an insurance company.

Andy thinks any IV challenge test using DMPS or DMSA is dangerous to the

health and furthermore that the resultant urinary levels reflect only what

was in the kidneys and is not indicative of total body stores of mercury.

I know someone that used the Brownstein protocol of challenge tests and

chelation, and I think it drove more mercury into his brain. He is very

hard to get along with. The issue of mercury toxicity and chelation is

another very controversial area. People often report on the

following Andy Cutler's protocol that they suffered very ill effects from IV

challenge tests or infrequent DMSA/DMPS chelation, and the standard doctor

or nurse response was that they were first ones to have experienced a

problem.

Well, this was a much more involved answer than what you were looking for.

But this is a complicated subject.

Lynn

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Those that advocate DMPS challenge tests say that it measures body burden, others disagree. Those that disagree with DMPS challenge tests say that they merely redistribute mercury to other parts of the body, because the mercury doesn't stay bound to the DMPS long enough to get it out of the body, and because so much mercury is stirred up with the high doses of DMPS used in challenge tests that the body cannot excrete it all. Their answer to getting mercury out of the cells is to use frequent low doses of DMPS, DMSA, or ALA, round-the-clock.

I've never heard of any way to measure stores of mercury in the brain.

Lynn

That's what the DMPS challenge test is supposed to do. I think it is still up for debate though. It seems to be the only way to get it out of the cells.

B.

Re: Iodine & mercury

, I had a hair analysis several years ago, while I was still eating fish, that reported very high levels of mercury -- way above the 99% mark. A couple months ago I had another one. This one showed very low levels of mercury. I haven't eaten much fish since I discovered it is highly related to blood and hair levels of mercury.

But I don't know how to measure body stores of mercury -- especially in the brain.

Zoe

[Guest guest]

There is also IV chelation therapy (EDTA) available for heavy metal toxicity.LinnOn Jul 16, 2006, at 10:12 PM, Lynn McGaha wrote:> I've asked this before with no replies. Has anyone every had any testthat> showed low (or high) mercury in their systems? Hair analysis, blood,urine?Andy Cutler, a PhD biochemist who suffered and recovered himself fromamalgam illness, and author of the book Amalgam Illness, has developed aprotocol to diagnose and treat mercury toxicity. He recommends Doctor'sData, Inc. hair analysis as the test of choice. Unless the person has hadrecent exposure to mercury, mercury will probably not show up high in anytest, be it hair analysis, blood, or urine. People have posted that theyhave had high mercury levels on hair analysis, but usually they are eithereating high amounts of fish on a regular basis, or they have had industrialexposure such as a fireman might get.. 

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Yes, some people promote IV EDTA as treatment for heavy metal toxicity. Andy Cutler thinks the only agents that will effectively remove mercury have a double thiol (sulfur and hydrogen molecules), and those agents are DMSA, DMPS, and ALA. He doesn't believe EDTA is helpful for mercury toxicity, and I have read studies that say EDTA is harmful for mercury toxicity.

Lynn

There is also IV chelation therapy (EDTA) available for heavy metal toxicity.

Linn

On Jul 16, 2006, at 10:12 PM, Lynn McGaha wrote:

> I've asked this before with no replies. Has anyone every had any testthat> showed low (or high) mercury in their systems? Hair analysis, blood,urine?Andy Cutler, a PhD biochemist who suffered and recovered himself fromamalgam illness, and author of the book Amalgam Illness, has developed aprotocol to diagnose and treat mercury toxicity. He recommends Doctor'sData, Inc. hair analysis as the test of choice. Unless the person has hadrecent exposure to mercury, mercury will probably not show up high in anytest, be it hair analysis, blood, or urine. People have posted that theyhave had high mercury levels on hair analysis, but usually they are eithereating high amounts of fish on a regular basis, or they have had industrialexposure such as a fireman might get.

[Guest guest]

I thought that's what it was developed for.  Insurance companies will cover it if it's for heavy metal detox.  It's being used now for heart patients but insurance doesn't usually cover it.LinnOn Jul 17, 2006, at 4:33 PM, Lynn McGaha wrote:Yes, some people promote IV EDTA as treatment for heavy metal toxicity.  Andy Cutler thinks the only agents that will effectively remove mercury have a double thiol (sulfur and hydrogen molecules), and those agents are DMSA, DMPS, and ALA.  He doesn't believe EDTA is helpful for mercury toxicity, and I have read studies that say EDTA is harmful for mercury toxicity.LynnThere is also IV chelation therapy (EDTA) available for heavy metal toxicity.LinnOn Jul 16, 2006, at 10:12 PM, Lynn McGaha wrote:> I've asked this before with no replies. Has anyone every had any testthat> showed low (or high) mercury in their systems? Hair analysis, blood,urine?Andy Cutler, a PhD biochemist who suffered and recovered himself fromamalgam illness, and author of the book Amalgam Illness, has developed aprotocol to diagnose and treat mercury toxicity. He recommends Doctor'sData, Inc. hair analysis as the test of choice. Unless the person has hadrecent exposure to mercury, mercury will probably not show up high in anytest, be it hair analysis, blood, or urine. People have posted that theyhave had high mercury levels on hair analysis, but usually they are eithereating high amounts of fish on a regular basis, or they have had industrialexposure such as a fireman might get.

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I don't know anything about why IV EDTA was developed. I know Dr. Garry Gordon is a big proponent of EDTA for treatment of heavy metal toxicity and is influential in the field. I'm not sure if he advocates for IV EDTA, but his detox supplements have EDTA in them.

Lots of dueling experts. What has convinced me to follow Cutler's protocol are the success stories I've read on the Frequent Dose Chelation group, especially from those who haven't been helped by other protocols.

If what you say is true about insurance coverage, it's rather ironic, because IV EDTA may be helpful for heart conditions, but I don't believe it's helpful for mercury detox.

Lynn

I thought that's what it was developed for. Insurance companies will cover it if it's for heavy metal detox. It's being used now for heart patients but insurance doesn't usually cover it.

Linn

On Jul 17, 2006, at 4:33 PM, Lynn McGaha wrote:

Yes, some people promote IV EDTA as treatment for heavy metal toxicity. Andy Cutler thinks the only agents that will effectively remove mercury have a double thiol (sulfur and hydrogen molecules), and those agents are DMSA, DMPS, and ALA. He doesn't believe EDTA is helpful for mercury toxicity, and I have read studies that say EDTA is harmful for mercury toxicity.

Lynn

There is also IV chelation therapy (EDTA) available for heavy metal toxicity.

Linn

On Jul 16, 2006, at 10:12 PM, Lynn McGaha wrote:

> I've asked this before with no replies. Has anyone every had any testthat> showed low (or high) mercury in their systems? Hair analysis, blood,urine?Andy Cutler, a PhD biochemist who suffered and recovered himself fromamalgam illness, and author of the book Amalgam Illness, has developed aprotocol to diagnose and treat mercury toxicity. He recommends Doctor'sData, Inc. hair analysis as the test of choice. Unless the person has hadrecent exposure to mercury, mercury will probably not show up high in anytest, be it hair analysis, blood, or urine. People have posted that theyhave had high mercury levels on hair analysis, but usually they are eithereating high amounts of fish on a regular basis, or they have had industrialexposure such as a fireman might get.