Reaching T4 limit??

May 1, 2008

Morning all,

Does anyone have thoughts on the following please?

I've been on Armour for 4 months now, the last 3 weeks on 31/2

grains, up from 3. Everything's been great at this dose, no adverse

symptoms until yesterday when palps started morning and evening and

through the night. Just irregular heart rate and beat stronger than

usual so that I can feel it, rate just below 70. I got rid of worse

palps a while back, but I'm wondering if this means I'm reaching a

limit on T4 since it's been 3 weeks since I increased the dose. Does

this sound like a T4 limit?

Do I persevere on the same dose a while longer and wait for it to go?

I feel I'm still not at sweet spot, major dive in energy at around 3-

4pm. If I were to hold the dose of Armour and start adding T3,

(obviously once everything's had time to settle!!), what dose should

I try first on top of the Armour? They have 5mcg tablets of Cytomel

as well as 50mcg which seems a rather large dose. Or is that not a

good idea? Or is it just a case of experimenting?

Or is this the time to pay for a blood test?

best regards,

Helen xx

May 1, 2008

Hi Helen

Sounds daft, but with what has happened to you, we should be pouring congratulations are in order. Normally, with your symptoms, you would have appeared have reached your "sweet spot". If you look in our FILE "How to Use Armour Thyroid" you will see that we recommend that you keep increasing your Armour by half a grain every 3 to 4 weeks until you DO start to get adverse reactions which could include palpitations, sweating, feeling dizzy, feeling 'spaced out' and generally pretty weird. This is a sign that your body has not found the dose of thyroid hormone replacement it needs - especially the T3/T2. All you would need to do is to cut back your latest increase and go back to the dose you were on before, and that is the dose your body needs - that dose is your "sweet spot".

However, as you are still having slumps in your tiredness (do you take your Armour split dose btw?) there is something not quite right. Are you taking Nutri Adrenal Extra or any other form of adrenal supplementation. Quite often when you increase your Armour, you need to boost your adrenals by taking extra supplementation - otherwise, the increase often won't work as it should. You don't need more T3 - T3 is the active hormone, and it is too much T3 that causes the palpitations - and that is why you need to cut back right now and sort out the adrenal side. Again, do you have a candida albicans problem - do you have mercury fillings, do you have low ferritin, do you have low vitamin D - any one of these will stop your Armour from being absorbed by your body and will give you the symptoms you are showing. Think about this and see what you come up with as there is usually an answer and something simple that can be corrected. Meanwhile, cut back to the dose you were on before your last increase.

Luv - Sheila

Morning all,Does anyone have thoughts on the following please?I've been on Armour for 4 months now, the last 3 weeks on 31/2 grains, up from 3. Everything's been great at this dose, no adverse symptoms until yesterday when palps started morning and evening and through the night. Just irregular heart rate and beat stronger than usual so that I can feel it, rate just below 70. I got rid of worse palps a while back, but I'm wondering if this means I'm reaching a limit on T4 since it's been 3 weeks since I increased the dose. Does this sound like a T4 limit?Do I persevere on the same dose a while longer and wait for it to go?I feel I'm still not at sweet spot, major dive in energy at around 3-4pm. If I were to hold the dose of Armour and start adding T3, (obviously once everything's had time to settle!!), what dose should I try first on top of the Armour? They have 5mcg tablets of Cytomel as well as 50mcg which seems a rather large dose. Or is that not a good idea? Or is it just a case of experimenting?Or is this the time to pay for a blood test?best regards,Helen xx

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May 1, 2008

Thanks Sheila,

I'm still unsure though - on this dose is the best I've felt, much

better than on 3 grains, where I was regularly having thumping

palpitations and still dragging myself around. I certainly don't

feel weird (yet!). I do take adrenal support, iron and Vit D, and

other stuff and nothing much changed in those recently, except I've

cut back some of the protein I take. I'll check for Candida again,

but I hope this is something temporary!

Helen x

>

> Hi Helen

>

> Sounds daft, but with what has happened to you, we should be

pouring congratulations are in order. Normally, with your symptoms,

you would have appeared have reached your " sweet spot " . If you look

in our FILE " How to Use Armour Thyroid " you will see that we

recommend that you keep increasing your Armour by half a grain every

3 to 4 weeks until you DO start to get adverse reactions which could

include palpitations, sweating, feeling dizzy, feeling 'spaced out'

and generally pretty weird. This is a sign that your body has not

found the dose of thyroid hormone replacement it needs - especially

the T3/T2. All you would need to do is to cut back your latest

increase and go back to the dose you were on before, and that is the

dose your body needs - that dose is your " sweet spot " .

>

> However, as you are still having slumps in your tiredness (do you

take your Armour split dose btw?) there is something not quite

right. Are you taking Nutri Adrenal Extra or any other form of

adrenal supplementation. Quite often when you increase your Armour,

you need to boost your adrenals by taking extra supplementation -

otherwise, the increase often won't work as it should. You don't

need more T3 - T3 is the active hormone, and it is too much T3 that

causes the palpitations - and that is why you need to cut back right

now and sort out the adrenal side. Again, do you have a candida

albicans problem - do you have mercury fillings, do you have low

ferritin, do you have low vitamin D - any one of these will stop

your Armour from being absorbed by your body and will give you the

symptoms you are showing. Think about this and see what you come up

with as there is usually an answer and something simple that can be

corrected. Meanwhile, cut back to the dose you were on before your

last increase.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

May 1, 2008

Try cutting it back by half a grain, and after a couple of days, add another quarter of a grain, and if OK, add another quarter of a grain. Sometimes, when you get very enar to the dose your body needs, it does need some very fine tuning.

luv - Sheila

Thanks Sheila,I'm still unsure though - on this dose is the best I've felt, much better than on 3 grains, where I was regularly having thumping palpitations and still dragging myself around. I certainly don't feel weird (yet!). I do take adrenal support, iron and Vit D, and other stuff and nothing much changed in those recently, except I've cut back some of the protein I take. I'll check for Candida again, but I hope this is something temporary!Helen x>> Hi Helen> > Sounds daft, but with what has happened to you, we should be pouring congratulations are in order. Normally, with your symptoms, you would have appeared have reached your "sweet spot". If you look in our FILE "How to Use Armour Thyroid" you will see that we recommend that you keep increasing your Armour by half a grain every 3 to 4 weeks until you DO start to get adverse reactions which could include palpitations, sweating, feeling dizzy, feeling 'spaced out' and generally pretty weird. This is a sign that your body has not found the dose of thyroid hormone replacement it needs - especially the T3/T2. All you would need to do is to cut back your latest increase and go back to the dose you were on before, and that is the dose your body needs - that dose is your "sweet spot".> > However, as you are still having slumps in your tiredness (do you take your Armour split dose btw?) there is something not quite right. Are you taking Nutri Adrenal Extra or any other form of adrenal supplementation. Quite often when you increase your Armour, you need to boost your adrenals by taking extra supplementation - otherwise, the increase often won't work as it should. You don't need more T3 - T3 is the active hormone, and it is too much T3 that causes the palpitations - and that is why you need to cut back right now and sort out the adrenal side. Again, do you have a candida albicans problem - do you have mercury fillings, do you have low ferritin, do you have low vitamin D - any one of these will stop your Armour from being absorbed by your body and will give you the symptoms you are showing. Think about this and see what you come up with as there is usually an answer and something simple that can be corrected. Meanwhile, cut back to the dose you were on before your last increase.> > Luv - Sheila> >

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May 9, 2008