Re: DH's juicing regimen

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DH is what I call a Flexitarian, LOL. He is not completely vegetarian or totally raw foods; he falls off the bandwagon at times. He does try to eat a raw foods diet and does this with quite a bit of success. For juicing he has a Green Star juicer; very good juicer, I might add! Powerful and fairly easy to clean. He uses organic greens - we find them very cheaply at a market on Chicago's north side called Stanley's - he sells organic at prices that are affordable; certainly MUCH MUCH less than Whole Foods! Kale - 2-3 different kinds, raw baby spinach, I mean, any green leafy vegetabel you can think of he juices, and he also does some wheatgrass. We sprout - we have invested in some automatic sprouters and we LOVE sprouts! I never in a million years thought my macho dude would eat sprouts, much less grow them, 10-15 years ago! Shows what extreme illness will do. We also use a fair amount of sea vegies (some call them sea weed, but they are NOT weeds) We sprout sunflower

seeds, but they tend to go bad very quickly, so have to be eaten fast, mung beans, lentils, buckwheat mainly. The raw sprouts are actually very good used as a cereal at breakfast with a little maple syrup or honey drizzled over them and some goat milk or yogurt or kefir added. We also cook scrambled eggs sometimes, and when the eggs are just barely done turn the heat off and add whatever sprouts we have on hand and gently fold them in and serve them - guests have really liked them! He also juices vegies besides the green leafy ones - he does carrot juice, which I really like. But most of his juices are really, really, really green tasting; very very strong and bitter flavors. We have a Friday night Bible study with friends and we eat together and generally yuck it up together and have a great time, and he makes the most amazing salads - uses all manner of green leafy lettuce and greens, but not regular lettuce at all - he won't buy it. He put eggs that he had hard boiled

and pickled in beet juice in the salad, sea vegs, sprouts, avocados, and he uses herbs he grows, plus edible flowers and red bell peppers, plus orange bell peppers, and other colored bell peppers. He makes his own saurkraut and believes firmly in fermented foods. That is pretty much what he does, and what I also do, on a more limited basis. I eat more meat whereas he only eats meat now and then. I have been to the raw foods forum, but not yet spent a lot of time there, need to do that. C.

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If the DH is fixing dinner every night...and it's also very healthy...i'd be inclined to go on this diet. :-) cindi <cccquilter@...> wrote: DH is what I call a Flexitarian, LOL. He is not completely vegetarian or totally raw foods; he falls off the bandwagon at times. He does try to eat a raw foods diet and does this with quite a bit of success. For juicing he has a Green Star juicer; very good juicer, I might add! Powerful and fairly easy to clean. He uses organic greens

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I worry about using such foods a kale and spinach and many others that

the Weston A. Price Foundation says we should cook due to the (? I

forget) in it. Some foods just must be cooked. I don't have the link

but will try to find it. It is on their web site hopefully or I got it

from one of Sally Fallon's (president) tapes.

westonaprice.org

On Sep 16, 2006, at 2:24 PM, wrote:

> DH is what I call a Flexitarian, LOL. He is not completely vegetarian

> or totally raw foods; he falls off the bandwagon at times. He does try

> to eat a raw foods diet and does this with quite a bit of success. For

> juicing he has a Green Star juicer; very good juicer, I might add!

> Powerful and fairly easy to clean. He uses organic greens - we find

> them very cheaply at a market on Chicago's north side called Stanley's

> - he sells organic at prices that are affordable; certainly MUCH MUCH

> less than Whole Foods! Kale - 2-3 different kinds, raw baby spinach,

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On Sep 16, 2006, at 2:24 PM, wrote:

> DH is what I call a Flexitarian, LOL. He is not completely vegetarian

> or totally raw foods; he falls off the bandwagon at times. He does try

> to eat a raw foods diet and does this with quite a bit of success. For

> juicing he has a Green Star juicer; very good juicer, I might add!

> Powerful and fairly easy to clean. He uses organic greens - we find

> them very cheaply at a market on Chicago's north side called Stanley's

> - he sells organic at prices that are affordable; certainly MUCH MUCH

> less than Whole Foods! Kale -

Here's the link stronly recommending cooking some vegetables

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/right_price.html

THE RAW FOODISTS

The all-raw folks also claim Dr. Price. Yet, Price never advocated an

all-raw diet. He described the use of cooked foods in every culture he

visited and specifically recommended that grains and most vegetables be

cooked. His advice to his nieces and nephews: " The cooked vegetables

are better since raw vegetables are usually too bulky to allow very

much mineral to be obtained from them. " 31 He never recommended

raw vegetable juices, and most certainly not as a major part of the

diet.

It is logical to deduce from Price’s writings that the decision of

whether or not to cook a certain food should be made on the basis of

whether or not heat treatment liberates nutrients or inhibits their

availability. Pasteurization greatly reduces the mineral availabilty of

milk, so milk and milk products should be consumed raw. Cooking

destroys vitamin C in many fruits, so these are best eaten raw.

On the other hand, cooking makes the minerals in most vegetables more

available, so they should be cooked--and then eaten with a source of

activators, such as butter or cream. Bones yield their minerals by

cooking into broth. And studies carried out subsequent to Dr. Price’s

research reveal that grains and legumes must be soaked or sour leavened

to neutralize mineral-blocking phytic acid.

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>From: Parashis <artpages@...>

>Here's the link stronly recommending cooking some vegetables

>

>http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/right_price.html

Raw foodists swear by the diet. Many claim it allows them to cut down on

their thyroid meds.

However, if you don't cook certain vegetables like cabbage, broccoli, and

spinach they are known goitrogens (thyroid inhibitors.)

Skipper

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>From: Parashis <artpages@...>

>I worry about using such foods a kale and spinach and many others that

>the Weston A. Price Foundation says we should cook due to the (?

Goitrogens, which must be cooked to be deactivated.

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I believe you are talking about the

oxalates.

Allyn

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iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Parashis

Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006

7:35 AM

iodine

Subject: Re: Re: DH's

juicing regimen

I worry about using such foods a kale and spinach and

many others that

the Weston A. Price Foundation says we should cook due to the (? I

forget) in it. Some foods just must be cooked. I don't have the link

but will try to find it. It is on their web site hopefully or I got it

from one of Sally Fallon's (president) tapes.

westonaprice.org

On Sep 16, 2006, at 2:24 PM, wrote:

> DH is what I call a Flexitarian, LOL. He is not completely vegetarian

> or totally raw foods; he falls off the bandwagon at times. He does try

> to eat a raw foods diet and does this with quite a bit of success. For

> juicing he has a Green Star juicer; very good juicer, I might add!

> Powerful and fairly easy to clean. He uses organic greens - we find

> them very cheaply at a market on Chicago's

north side called Stanley's

> - he sells organic at prices that are affordable; certainly MUCH MUCH

> less than Whole Foods! Kale - 2-3 different kinds, raw baby spinach,

Parashis

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> Raw foodists swear by the diet. Many claim it allows them to cut down on

> their thyroid meds.

>

> However, if you don't cook certain vegetables like cabbage, broccoli, and

> spinach they are known goitrogens (thyroid inhibitors.)

>

> Skipper

>

Or, make kraut or kimchi. Lightly fermented cabbage/kale etc.

is really delicious ... my sister was making fun of our kraut

( " oh yuck, saeurkraut! " ) until she tasted it ... she ended up

walking around with a quart of it, just eating it by the handful

all night.

It's easy too ... for my " vegies " with a meal I just add a cup

or so of my kimchi (kimchi and kraut are about the same

thing, with different types of cabbage and different spices).

The fermented vegies have all the enzymes of the raw,

plus extra.

Sandor Katz has a good book out on the topic, and

there is lots on the web too. Really cheap, easy, delicious!

And no goiterogens.

-- Heidi

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>From: Heidi <heidis@...>

>Or, make kraut or kimchi. Lightly fermented cabbage/kale etc.

>is really delicious ... my sister was making fun of our kraut

>( " oh yuck, saeurkraut! " ) until she tasted it ... she ended up

>walking around with a quart of it, just eating it by the handful

>all night.

The home fermented stuff tastes quite different from the stuff I remember my

mother buying when I was a child.

I was wondering how to make Kale taste good. Maybe it'd make dandelions

taste good too, as that's one of the best vegatables around if you can make

it palateable . I haven't yet.

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Goitrogens? Oxalates? Kale has goitrogens, spinach has oxalates.

Lynn

> I worry about using such foods a kale and spinach and many others that

> the Weston A. Price Foundation says we should cook due to the (? I

> forget) in it. Some foods just must be cooked.

> Parashis

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> However, if you don't cook certain vegetables like cabbage, broccoli, and

> spinach they are known goitrogens (thyroid inhibitors.)

>

> Skipper

I've looked and can't find anything that says spinach has goitrogens.

Oxalates, yes.

Lynn

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>From: " Lynn McGaha " <lmcgaha@...>

> > However, if you don't cook certain vegetables like cabbage, broccoli,

>and

> > spinach they are known goitrogens (thyroid inhibitors.)

I can tell when I eat raw cabbage for a few days that it has an effect on my

thyroid. I can't tell so much with spinach. So, some of the goitrogens

might be worse than others. I don't think iodine can always compensate

Here's a couple references -

http://www.hipusa.com/eTools/webmd/A-Z_Encyclopedia/goiterbasics.htm

Another type of thyroid growth, called a sporadic goiter, can form if your

diet includes too many goiter-promoting foods, such as soybeans, rutabagas,

cabbage, peaches, peanuts, and spinach. These foods can suppress the

manufacture of thyroid hormone by interfering with your thyroid's ability to

process iodide.

http://en.mimi.hu/disease/goiter.html

Goiter is seen most often in people who:

are female

eat large amounts of certain foods such as cabbage, peanuts, peaches, and

spinach

have a family history of goiter

have too little iodine in their diet ...

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Goitrogens are also significantly reduced by fermentation. So eat up the kimchi.

Jane