Guest guest Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 That is not just Peatfield's stance as there are many many medical studies over time that have proven that, which is why Peatfield wrote it I am sure. He doesn't actually say that He recommends 100-200 mcg daily, but just points out the the " recommended standard dose is that...but he also references Dr. Derry's belief that 2-3 mg. of Lugol's daily will prevent breast cancer. It also gives the caution I always give...Hashimoto's folks are abnormally sensitive to excess iodine, and even a small excess may cause a small but significant reduction in thyroid output. He does not...as I have speculated...note whether specific antibodies may be related to the sensitivity. But note that in Peatfield' " moral of the story " on iodine..he does state that women need extra iodine, but the amount is difficult to specify....and cautions " careful thought and the danger signals of low thyroid must be watched for " . The iodine docs, of course, believe in the iodine loading test as the definitive test for iodine deficiency...and seek a " saturation " level as optimal. One could debate where " saturation " is necessary (or even desirable) for good health. But Brownstein in his book clearly states " There is no perfect dose for everyone " ...and the iodine docs clearly don't recommend someone start iodine therapy without monitoring...and esp. those with autoimmune thyroid disease. Brownstein does note a 1960 study on goiter in japan...but says a study 27 years later showed no signs of excess goiter. i don't know if the hypothyroidism study peatfield referenced is the same one or not. these studies might be at www.iodine4health.com for comparison? Cindi > > I am reading Dr. Peatfield's book. I am assuming he is aware of Brownstein's research on iodine, because he referenced his natural hormones book. Peatfield believes that too much iodine can cause or worsen hypothyroidism. He recommends 100-200 mcg daily. He says that coastal Japanese have higher rates of hypoT from higher iodine consumption. > > Is anyone aware of Peatfield addressing the research on high iodine supplementation, other than the coastal Japanese hypoT rates? > > Does Brownstein address iodine causing/worsening hypothyroidism under certain circumstance, and if so, what are these circumstances? What does Brownstein say about the higher rates of hypoT in the coastal Japanese? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Cindi: "That is not just Peatfield's stance as there are many many medical studies over time that have proven that" This is where Dr. Brownstein disagrees. Doesn't Dr. B say he has looked over the research extensively and it doesn't show this after all? "It also gives the caution I always give...Hashimoto's folks are abnormally sensitive to excess iodine, and even a small excess may cause a small but significant reduction in thyroid output. " So, if you have Hashi's and are trying iodine and Armour at the same time, how do you know what is going on? I would hate to be taking iodine and increasing my Armour, only because the iodine is making me need more Armour! But Dr. B says he ideally starts people on iodine with thyroid hormone, so how does he know that one isn't increasing the need for the other?! My doctor is open to all of this (and friends with Dr. , but one of us really needs to know what is going on and I am afraid that neither of us do. :-( I am not having problems with iodine, like I was prior to HC. I am starting slower, but I have also needed to increase my Armour from 1/4 to 1/2 grain. It might be the iodine, or it could be that my body has just adjusted and needed more Armour anyway, because I was at that dose for about 10 days. Maybe I should optimize my Armour and then start with iodine, so we can monitor my hormones and see what the iodine does to them...Or, I could keep the Armour where it is and start increasing iodine and monitor...Either way, I don't think it is going to work to increase both together, as they could be canceling each other out. How does Brownstein monitor this? Thanks, Olif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 > > I am not having problems with iodine, like I was prior to HC. I am starting slower, but I have also needed to increase my Armour from 1/4 to 1/2 grain. It might be the iodine, or it could be that my body has just adjusted and needed more Armour anyway, because I was at that dose for about 10 days. Maybe I should optimize my Armour and then start with iodine, so we can monitor my hormones and see what the iodine does to them...Or, I could keep the Armour where it is and start increasing iodine and monitor...Either way, I don't think it is going to work to increase both together, as they could be canceling each other out. How does Brownstein monitor this? I don't know what Dr. Brownstein does, but it surprises me that you would add such a biggie (iodine) to the list of things you are trying to balance (first the HC, now the Armour). JMO, but I think you should seriously consider doing one thing at a time and giving your body time to adjust to it. At 1/2 grain of Armour, you've still got a long titration up ahead of you. You can always try the iodine at a later date, after you are stable on Armour and have rested your adrenals. Best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 yes, Dr. Brownstein disagrees. I agree that if someone goes on iodine/armour at the same time - they have no idea what is doing what. personally, I would say that if a person has hashimoto's, it might be important to squelch antibodies first...then try iodine. but that's my opinion. Best I can read from B's iodine book, he's not promoting iodine as a treatment per se for hypothyroidism...but as one factor in a holistic treatment plan. I'm not sure how Dr. B monitors it... cindi > > > > This is where Dr. Brownstein disagrees. Doesn't Dr. B say he has looked over the research extensively and it doesn't show this after all? > > > So, if you have Hashi's and are trying iodine and Armour at the same time, how do you know what is going on? I would hate to be taking iodine and increasing my Armour, only because the iodine is making me need more Armour! But Dr. B says he ideally starts people on iodine with thyroid hormone, so how does he know that one isn't increasing the need for the other?! My doctor is open to all of this (and friends with Dr. , but one of us really needs to know what is going on and I am afraid that neither of us do. :-( > > I am not having problems with iodine, like I was prior to HC. I am starting slower, but I have also needed to increase my Armour from 1/4 to 1/2 grain. It might be the iodine, or it could be that my body has just adjusted and needed more Armour anyway, because I was at that dose for about 10 days. Maybe I should optimize my Armour and then start with iodine, so we can monitor my hormones and see what the iodine does to them...Or, I could keep the Armour where it is and start increasing iodine and monitor...Either way, I don't think it is going to work to increase both together, as they could be canceling each other out. How does Brownstein monitor this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 I have found some correlation that estrogen causes magnesium rentention and since magnesium is need for gluthione production this would increase gluthione levels and make estrogen an important antioxident. I have magesium defiecincy as well as dhea. Could this have possible been caused by lower estrogen too much? and if a person is estrogen defienct can this cause adrenal hypofunction since I did find references that estrogen causes increase serum cortisol levels. I am a male not a female LOL > > Yes Lori, there are several reasons but the big one is that magnesium chloride can be used transdermally and that is the best way to supplement with magnesium. There are lots of other reasons which I filled my book on the subject with. Possibly number on in some people's eyes is that ONLY through transdermal application of mg cl are DHEA levels raised naturally. I could go on and on though and you should definetly give it a try. I also use a oral magnesium...in the natural chelation formula I use called Chelorex and also I take magnesium peroxide orally....especially when I am running low on magnesium chloride in the house or when I do not have someone to massage the mg cl onto my body. Another big reason is for pain relief, used transdermally its one of the best for pain management but it works on a causal or cure level...... helps immune function quickly also...I said I could go on and on... > > Mark > > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 25729 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 > > > > > --- Iodine docs recommend getting enough iodine, and then adding Armour if needed. Some take HC in order to tolerate the iodine. Getting enough iodine may eliminate the need for meds. > > Gracia > IME, not everyone can tolerate this. I tried Iodoral for one month, and felt worse than ever (read: an increase in hypothyroid symptoms). That was with lots of Vit. C, Mg, Se, E, sea salt, adrenal support, etc. I tested positive for antibodies on my last thyroid saliva test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Well, I do have Hashi's and although I didn't know this at the time I started on Isocort and went up to 8+ per day and after a few days introduced iodine in the form of iodoral at 50 mgs. per day, and after two weeks reintroduced Armour at one grain. Am feeling better these days, but dr. Bain is worried about Rt3 in my case; I see him in early June. He doesn't buy into 's syndrome, and neither do it, but it can be a temporary thing that happens. C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Sorry to be so just plain clueless - but what is HC and why are some people on this list taking it? -- April StreeterGothenburg SWEDEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 HC is hydrocortisone. adrenal hormone replacement. some folks take it because of mild or more severe adrenal insufficiency reaching 's Disease level. some folks take it for " adrenal fatigue " , to readjust maladapted cortisol patterns. cindi > > Sorry to be so just plain clueless - but what is HC and why are some people > on this list taking it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Hello. My name is , I live in Sweden and have been a member of this outstanding group since autumn last year. I have not so far posted any contribution to the group, but have read a great deal, since I want to learn... and at present I find Iodine very interesting. I am no doctor, is not married, have no children, no employment and almost no money, is fiftytwo years old, and have also attended different schools, one of them beeing a one year basic introduction into chemistry, inorganic aswell as organic, at the university of Stockholm, and that was my first encounter with chelation... in class we used EDTA as a chelating agent to extract heavy metals from solutions... and the memory I have from those experiments is consistent with what is said about chelation on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelation "The term chelate was first applied in 1920 by Sir Gilbert T. and H. D. K. Drew, who stated: "The adjective chelate, derived from the great claw or chele (Greek) of the lobster or other crustaceans, is suggested for the caliperlike groups which function as two associating units and fasten to the central atom so as to produce heterocyclic rings."[1] During that year, we also had to memorise the periodic table, like in the first class ever in school, we had to memorise the alphabet, and these memories make me want to write this feedback to the otherwise correct text. In the 10th passage of the text, it says:"There are actually four halogens: iodine, bromine, fluorine and chlorine." As I recall it, there are actually five halogens, even though the fifth, the radioactive astatine, is considered the rarest naturally ocurring element... Nevertheless, when it comes down to reality, my experience is that details count, however small and futile they might seem... As I continued reading, I found the first place where Iodine is described as a chelating agent: "Dr. Kenezy Gyula Korhaz states that iodine chelates heavy metals such as mercury, lead, cadmium and aluminum..." Since I am under the impression that Iodine is an element, and not a chelating agent such as EDTA, I tried to google for Dr. Kenezy Gyula Korhaz, but the closest I came to the name, was in an article by Molnar, Magyari and Stief, found at: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search & DB=pubmed where "Kenezy Gyula Korhaz, Debrecen, III. Belgyogyaszat." seems to be a hospital in Hungary, possibly named after the doctor... Unfortunately, I can´t read Hungarian, so I´m not sure of that... but perhaps someone can enlighten me about the doctor... until then, it is my opinion that the "Near final draft from IMVA Publications" is correct, apart from the halogens being five, not four, and that Iodine is an element, and should not be viewed as, or mistaken for, a chelating agent... I have been taking Lugol´s as a food supplement myself since before christmas last year, beginning with one drop a day for one week, and then two drops a day for several weeks, until I started experience some minor heart palpitations at night just before falling asleep, at which point I reduced the intake to the present, about one drop per two or three days, as it feels right... I consider myself pretty healthy, apart from some dental decay which began early on in my teens...I have since replaced all the amalgam, and is pursuing good health as best I can... . Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 my rt3 were above top range using just plain old cytomel 12,5 mcgs 3 times a day they came down to .21 from .320 in 2 months with adrenal support HC 20 mgs a day. > > Well, I do have Hashi's and although I didn't know this at the time I started on Isocort and went up to 8+ per day and after a few days introduced iodine in the form of iodoral at 50 mgs. per day, and after two weeks reintroduced Armour at one grain. Am feeling better these days, but dr. Bain is worried about Rt3 in my case; I see him in early June. He doesn't buy into 's syndrome, and neither do it, but it can be a temporary thing that happens. > > C. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 What sort of oil is it? I'd like to have an analysis of what is in the product?.. both the Magnesium oil and the MgCl2 that Marc recommends. ? Maybe its the type of oil you are sensitive to? Jan > > , > > Thanks, I'll try that. I'd really like to use the oil, not only for the health benefits, but I did spend nearly $100 on it and I hate to see the jug just sitting there in the back of the closet. > > Lori > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 , Thanks for this link. I sent the diabetes/magnesium page to three people I know who have diabetes. Karma - -- In iodine , " " <cfrench180@...> wrote: > > Hello, > > I just wanted to let everyone know that we have a website that answers a lot of these magnesium questions too. It's called MagnesiumForLife. > > http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/ > > > > > Re: Re: Peatfield on iodine > > > What is the difference between magnesium chloride and magnesium sulfate as in Epsom Salts? Is Epsom Salts any good for anything? > > On May 14, 2007, at 7:23 AM, Mark Sircus Ac., OMD wrote: > > > Iodine is my number two medical substance on my survival medicine protocol list...magnesium chloride is number one. > > Parashis > artpages@... > zine: > artpagesonline.com > > portfolio: > http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 27425 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Try SPAMfighter for free now! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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