Re: New here with multiple issues

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>From: " hugs_may99 " <hugs4Him99@...>

>I have epstein barr/chronic fatigue, suspect Hashimoto's, have

>sluggish adrenals, inflammation syndrome, candida, bacteria, &

>hormonal issues.

>

>My 12yr old son is severely autistic; my 8-1/2yr old is high

>functioning with sensory issues; my 4-1/2 yr old has sensory issues

> & food allergies (dairy & tree nut); my 15m old has food allergies

>(dairy, all grains, potatoes). I suspect candida & metal toxicity

>for all of them.

Armour Thyroid can cure many things.

One woman had a child with " Auditory Processing Disorder " that got better

when he went on Armour, his asthma also went away.

In saying this, I'm thinking of a relatively quick solution. Two children

with autism, that's a lot. If you suspect mercury, it does cause both

thyroid and adrenal problems.

One woman who suspected her child became autistic after vaccination, and

went through hell for a couple years with the child's state, finally had him

diagnosed as hypothyroid via a TRH (not TSH) test. Once he went on Armour,

he got a lot better. That woman now suspects all autism might really be

hypothyroidism. I can't say if that's true, but Armour Thyroid is one of

the best remedies ever created.

Of course, if they have adrenal issues also, low dose hydrocortisone can

make a huge difference.

Iodine is of course good for them, but if it works it will take a lot

longer.

Do you live in an area where autism is common?

>

>We are all on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet using raw goat's milk

>yogurt. I have chelated my oldest with no effects & we don't feel

>it's safe anymore until his gut heals more.

I don't know what that diet is. The value of carbohydrates tends to be over

rated. True, milk is good for infants. If you take the water ouf of milk,

it's awfully high in sugar for non-infants. There are good carbs, but they

tend to be lower on the glycemic index. Strawberries, blackberries, and

vegetables are all very good for you. Raw milk, better than pasteurized.

>

>I'm trying to navigate my way through the incredible amount of

>information. I ordered Lugols Iodine on the recommendation of a

>holisitic practitioner; I'm not sure how much she knows about it's

>use though as it wasn't the first thing she recommended. Because I

>am still nursing I am extra careful & picky about what I use.

I would limit it to a drop or two a day. (2 drops is 12.5 mg.) Iodine has

been known to increase the supply of breast milk, and it is essential for

the infant.

Of course, there is the chelating of the mercury in your teeth. I don't

know if that will happen or not. Since you've got mercury fillings, if the

anti-mercury folks are right, wouldn't that be passed through your breast

milk already?

Why are your children autistic, do you live in an area with high levels of

some toxin, which you're ingesting and passing to your children through

milk?

Or, do you blame vaccinations or something else?

>

>Maybe someone can help me with some of my questions:

>

>Is Lugols safe for a nursing mother?

>

>I read to put Lugols in distilled water; is that correct? What would

>the dosage be for an adult? I've read 50mg iodine?

Some people just put it in juice. Milk covers up the taste even better. 50

mg would likely be too much for a nursing mother, that would be 8 drops of

Lugol's. You probably only want one or two.

>

>Is it save for children at all? Can it be used to help chelate

>safely?

>

>I have amalgams (mercury fillings); if it chelates is it actually

>safe for me to take?

The question is why are your children autistic? Are you already passing

mercury to them through the milk? Are there other contaminants in your area

that affect your milk?

>Will it also help with my adrenals?

I believe it has helped mine quite a bit. So did hydrocortisone, which

should not be avoided in physiological doses. If I hadn't been on HC, I

don't know if it would have helped my adrenals as much.

>

>Is Lugols a good source of iodine for our purposes?

It's one of the best sources.

Old cure for yeast infection was six drops of Lugol's four times a day for

about two weeks. (Not suggesting this while nursing.)

If you suspect candida as a problem in your older children, and you have it,

aren't you also passing that on to the one you're nursing? A 15 month old

toddler can be weaned.

From what you're saying, there's a serious problem, and it could be

environmental.

Skipper

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>

> Armour Thyroid can cure many things.

I was trying to avoid any meds; I've read varying things reg. Armour.

>

> One woman had a child with " Auditory Processing Disorder " that got

better

> when he went on Armour, his asthma also went away.

>

> In saying this, I'm thinking of a relatively quick solution. Two

children

> with autism, that's a lot. If you suspect mercury, it does cause

both

> thyroid and adrenal problems.

He's not been tested for thyroid or adrenal issues; could be I just

don't know.

> Of course, if they have adrenal issues also, low dose

hydrocortisone can

> make a huge difference.

No drugs though. They cause us too many problems; I go all natural

AMAP.

>

> Iodine is of course good for them, but if it works it will take a

lot

> longer.

That's okay. I'm avoiding meds as well. I want long term healing for

all, not a bandaid.

>

> Do you live in an area where autism is common?

>

Autism is common everywhere.

> >

> >We are all on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet using raw goat's milk

> >yogurt. I have chelated my oldest with no effects & we don't feel

> >it's safe anymore until his gut heals more.

>

> I don't know what that diet is. The value of carbohydrates tends

to be over

> rated. True, milk is good for infants. If you take the water ouf

of milk,

> it's awfully high in sugar for non-infants. There are good carbs,

but they

> tend to be lower on the glycemic index. Strawberries,

blackberries, and

> vegetables are all very good for you. Raw milk, better than

pasteurized.

Mother's milk is best for any infant, not cow's milk. The next best

thing, as per our natural dr & everything I " ve read, would be raw

goat's milk.

>

> >

> >I'm trying to navigate my way through the incredible amount of

> >information. I ordered Lugols Iodine on the recommendation of a

> >holisitic practitioner; I'm not sure how much she knows about it's

> >use though as it wasn't the first thing she recommended. Because I

> >am still nursing I am extra careful & picky about what I use.

>

> I would limit it to a drop or two a day. (2 drops is 12.5 mg.)

Iodine has

> been known to increase the supply of breast milk, and it is

essential for

> the infant.

>

Not a bad thing for an increase; that's good.

> Of course, there is the chelating of the mercury in your teeth. I

don't

> know if that will happen or not. Since you've got mercury

fillings, if the

> anti-mercury folks are right, wouldn't that be passed through your

breast

> milk already?

That is my concern. I cannot chelate while nursing.

>

> Why are your children autistic, do you live in an area with high

levels of

> some toxin, which you're ingesting and passing to your children

through

> milk?

>

My oldest was vaccine injured. For my second I suspect a " detoxing "

type supplement I took while pregnant with him.

> Or, do you blame vaccinations or something else?

>

>

VACCS! Horrible... the past 11 yrs with my 12yr old have been hell.

This poor kid; he was doing so incredibly well; what a baby. Then

they ruined him. I can't go there; sorry.

> >

> >Maybe someone can help me with some of my questions:

> >

> >Is Lugols safe for a nursing mother?

> >

> >I read to put Lugols in distilled water; is that correct? What

would

> >the dosage be for an adult? I've read 50mg iodine?

>

> Some people just put it in juice. Milk covers up the taste even

better. 50

> mg would likely be too much for a nursing mother, that would be 8

drops of

> Lugol's. You probably only want one or two.

>

Can't drink milks at all; serious allergy issues for me, baby & 2

other kiddos.

> >

> >Is it save for children at all? Can it be used to help chelate

> >safely?

> >

> >I have amalgams (mercury fillings); if it chelates is it actually

> >safe for me to take?

>

> The question is why are your children autistic? Are you already

passing

> mercury to them through the milk? Are there other contaminants in

your area

> that affect your milk?

>

>

We have contaminants in our bodies & in our foods. I eat all organic

AMAP. Take good supps, etc, it's the best I can do. I had

a " regular " diet with my oldest when he was vaccine injured. He was

still nursing. He **regressed** upon weaning. Breastmilk is

protective no matter what.

> >Will it also help with my adrenals?

>

> I believe it has helped mine quite a bit. So did hydrocortisone,

which

> should not be avoided in physiological doses. If I hadn't been on

HC, I

> don't know if it would have helped my adrenals as much.

>

> >

> >Is Lugols a good source of iodine for our purposes?

>

> It's one of the best sources.

>

That's good to know; I've been confused about the many discussed.

> Old cure for yeast infection was six drops of Lugol's four times a

day for

> about two weeks. (Not suggesting this while nursing.)

>

> If you suspect candida as a problem in your older children, and

you have it,

> aren't you also passing that on to the one you're nursing? A 15

month old

> toddler can be weaned.

>

I will not wean; as I said breastmilk is protective & I am very

careful about my diet. He also eats very well though too. All my

children nursed to late ages & have been much healthier then the

norm, generally speaking. My autistic kiddo does not get sick like

most.

> From what you're saying, there's a serious problem, and it could

be

> environmental.

>

> Skipper

>

We have environmental allergies as well.

Thanks, Michele

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>From: " Skipper Beers " <lsb149@...>

> >From: " hugs_may99 " <hugs4Him99@...>

>

> >I have epstein barr/chronic fatigue, suspect Hashimoto's, have

> >sluggish adrenals, inflammation syndrome, candida, bacteria, &

> >hormonal issues.

> >

> >My 12yr old son is severely autistic; my 8-1/2yr old is high

> >functioning with sensory issues; my 4-1/2 yr old has sensory issues

> > & food allergies (dairy & tree nut); my 15m old has food allergies

> >(dairy, all grains, potatoes). I suspect candida & metal toxicity

> >for all of them.

One woman's experience in regard to autism. This was a letter to her

doctor. Obviously, with the huge increase in autism, there's a reason for

it. Vaccinations or simply lax environmentalism, I don't know.

I do know Armour Thyroid helps a lot of diverse conditions. Many people are

iodine deficient,and in some cases iodine alone can cure a thyroid problem.

But, I wouldn't wait and see with severe issues. Dr. Derry used to put

patients on ArmourThyroid and then tell them to also take a couple drops of

Lugol's Solution. I think this is a good way to start and see what happens.

Part of the problem is of course, the doctors tend to give up their judgment

to the lab. The lab will say that TSH (or whatever) on the lab slip is not

a well / sick cutoff, but a " normal range' into which 95.5 percent of the

population fall. The doctor on the other hand looks at the lab slip and

says, " It's normal, nothing to worry about. Now I can give you six

different meds to control your six different symptoms. " So, it's hard to

sue the doctor who's just looking at the lab report and seeing " normal " , and

the lab never claimed to be diagnosing your condition. Only testing your

level, and telling the doctor where 95.5 percent of the population falls.

And that has nothing to do with optimall function or a well / sick cutoff,

it's only a mathematical concept.

02/22/98

Dear Dr. Rimland:

Please bear with me but maybe I’ve stumbled on to one of the “keys” to

autism that has been greatly over-looked.

Actually credit should really go to Dr. Raphael Kellman, M.D., at The

Center for Progressive Medicine in New York and to Dr. , M.D.

(a DAN doctor) in Richland, WA - although neither of them know it yet.

A must to read is the article in the Alternative Medicine Magazine - Issue

22 that targets the “thyroid”. On the side bar there are three more

articles...one should read all three of them too. Please be aware none of

these articles mention “autism”....but concentrate on only the symptoms as

you are reading. Vicki Westlund recently made me aware of these articles via

the autism listserv.

According to Dr. Kellman the thyroid is one of the most over-looked organs

in the body. The old means of testing were too cumbersome and time consuming

so was abandoned by most physicians - they opt to do the T4 or TSH.

According to Kellman 90% of the medical problems today result from lack of

proper attention and testing of the thyroid and it’s functioning.

We are mainly talking about “hypothyroidism” - an underfunctioning of the

thyroid. There are a variety of causes: hereditary, environmental,

chemo/radiation, excess hormones in processed meats, mercury (fillings in

teeth - immunizations), excess iodine (table salt), etc.

Once damage to the thyroid takes place it affects all the other

organs....starting with digestion and absorption. Now toxin’s start building

in the system. You can have an array of symptoms: weight gain/weight loss

depending on the type of metabolism you had to begin with. Creating no

appetite or binge eating. Bloating, fluid retention, skin problems (itching,

eczema, psoriasis, acne, hives & other skin eruptions, skin pallor or

yellowing).

The immune system also starts to deteriorate since the necessary vitamins,

minerals, are not being absorbed, also creating problem’s with amino acids.

Two more problems are created: (1) repeated infections and (2)cold’s and

upper respiratory infections.

Now let’s add a bunch of antibiotics...to treat these two problems...there

goes the good bacteria..allowing candida yeast to take over which results

IgG (delayed food allergies) and also opening the doors to introduction of

viruses and parasites.

Other symptoms of an underfunction thyroid are: depression, low body

temperature, infertility, menstrual disorders, memory disturbances,

concentration difficulties, paranoia, migraines, over-sleeping and/or the

inability to sleep due to gastrointestinal discomforts or anemia, “laziness”

(no motivation), muscle aches and or weaknesses (low muscle tone), hearing

disturbances (burning, prickly sensations or noises in the head), slow

reaction time and mental sluggishness, labored breathing, hoarseness, speech

problems, brittle nails and poor vision and/or light sensitivity.

All of Dr. Kellman’s patient’s have a wide variety of symptoms but all have

malabsorption, defficiencies in vitamins and minerals, this creates chemical

imbalances resulting in neurotransmitting problems.

If the above should take place in a non-verbal child, let’s say before they

acquire speech - you would get the diagnosis of a “mute” autistic child.

Let’s say the child had begun to talk...but due to the thyroid

problem...lost speech - they would get the diagnosis or label of PDD/Autism.

A child affected later might be considered high functioning.

Children with candida, food allergies, immune system dysfunctions, viruses

that go undetected might show degrees of improvement with the various

treatments whether it be IV therapy, anti-viral, nutritional intervention,

or maybe a change in environment...but all continue to deteriorate if these

treatment’s are stopped. WHY????? Because one thing is being over-looked...a

“thyroid dysfunction”...and the standard test are so inaccurate.

Dr. Kellman says that the normal means of testing that most physician’s use

T3, T4, and TSH all may result in a normal reading....but it does not

reflect the actual functioning level of the thyroid.

Dr. Kellman says the only reliable test is the TRH, but due to the fast

paced assembly line of modern medicine...it was a cumbersome and time

consuming test so Dr.’s abandoned it opting to use the TSH in it’s place.

The TRH test has since been greatly improved over the old technique.

First a pre-TSH is taken.

An injection of Tyrel(Protirelin)TRH is given directly into the vein via a

butterfly.

A post-TSH is taken in exactly 25 minutes.

There are no adverse or dangerous side effects. Everyone experiences a “30

second” wave of nausea and/or the feeling they have to urinate...they do

neither..it is just a feeling. They may also experience a slight drop or

rise in their blood pressure...but that is very temporary.

If the second (or post-TSH) reading is 10...that indicates a low

functioning thyroid, if it’s 15 a moderate low functioning of the thyroid,

and if 20 a severe low functioning thyroid.

Dr. Kellman primarily deals with teenager’s or adults.

Dr. test the thyroid by NAET (muscle testing) but is finding

hypothyroidism in 100% of the autistic children he deal’s with.

None of the research I’ve seen so far mentions...or target’s the

“thyroid”...not one word in the DAN or Goldberg’s reports...or any of the

autism research I’ve seen.

In our case for example...my husband had a benign nodule (½ his thyroid)

removed in 1992...which was only detected when the nodule got so enlarged he

could actual see and feel it and had discomfort when swallowing...it was not

detected by his normal thyroid testing which did not include the TRH...they

always came back normal...these test were done yearly due to his work

physical requirements. We have no ideal how long the condition existed prior

to it’s detection.

My daughter, Angie, was born December 13, 1988, she had 4 out of 5

reactions to DPT..the lot being pulled 4 times, but nothing ever recorded by

Dr. or reported by him. She was a very normal baby until 18 months of

age...then almost changed over night. By this time she had had 15 doses of

“mercury” in immunizations and multiple upper respiratory infections, ear

infections, etc. These were treated with truck loads of

antibiotics...constantly for about 6 years.

She went through as I remember various problems with the intestinal track -

spastic colon (little balls), clay colored mushy stuff, then severe

constipation. Stool softeners didn’t work, mineral oils made her vomit and

for the next 3 years she had to have enemas on a daily basis..and then the

bowels barely moved. The pediatrician called it “psychological

constipation”....normal for “kid’s like this”...we would just have to live

with it. She also lost all speech.

She totally refused food, lived solely on ProSobee Baby formula for 3 ½

years...would projectile if food came within three feet of her.

Also, during this period was constantly sick...ear infections, sore

throats, viruses, bronchitis, chicken pox twice..the second time so severe

she had to have IV’s for 27 hours, she had hives, itched all the time (still

does), had eczema on scalp, yeast rash on bottom several times, seasonal

allergy symptoms 95% of the time, thin hair, white skin (which is now very

yellow), thin hair, thin peeling finger nails. She plugged her ears until

they bled, gagged and projectile vomited a lot, and her eyes were very

sensitive to light and she rubbed them constantly.

She lived on antibiotics from 18 months until October of 1996.

In 1995 she was diagnosed by Carl Pfeiffer as severe zinc deficient with a

very high zinc/copper ratio, and had many vitamin/mineral imbalances and

chemical imbalances.

She was on their program 1 year...gained 5 lbs..but not a lot of

improvement. She still had lot’s of upper respiratory and ear infections,

did start saying a word or two, and did starting a little food. I informed

Dr. Glabb about the DAN protocol...she was not a DAN doctor at that time.

In October of 1996, we had her allergy tested at Immuno Labs...the results

were: no immediate allergies, 29 out of 209 IgG delayed food allergies which

included casein and gluten..no Candida at that time but has since acquired

it. I put her on a rotation diet...she acquired an appetite for the first

time in her life. I also at the same time put her on an array of

supplements..vitamins/minerals, extra zinc, herb’s....everything I could

possibly find to boost the immune system. She gained 10 lbs...but still had

burping, belching, gas and sluggish bowels.

About the same time we got a computer and internet access and I jointed the

autism listserve where I encountered Vicki Westlund. She talked me into

another hair analysis in August of 1997. Angie was low in Calcium, Sodium,

Potassium, Copper, Zinc and Germanium and showed absolutely NO iron,

manganese, Chromium, Cobalt or Silica...she also showed traces of “mercury”

and “aluminum”...but within the normal range. Also she was low in most

additional minerals.

After Vicki’s analysis’s and with the help of Dr. Moreno...we switched her

supplemental program, also added Olivir, Piracetam and Soil Based Organisms.

Her appetite increased and her immune system improved and her bowel’s

started functioning without enemas, although still sluggish. She also has

gone from saying just a couple of words to eight word sentences.

All the supplement’s in the world won’t help though if she is suffering

from an underactive thyroid.

We are now on our 4th doctor and after a two week battle and numerous phone

calls to New York and Dr. Kellman’s office he (Dr. Kiel) reluctantly agreed

to run a TRH on Angie. (Most doctor’s initial request to a TRH is comparable

to asking them to do their first amputation in the office blindfolded.) They

are convinced the T3, T4 and TSH means of testing are accurate. Dr. Kellman

however, deems them totally inaccurate!

Friday...I just got Angie’s result’s on the TRH...her pre-TSH was

2.906ulU/ml the normal range (0.35 - 5.50).....her post-TSH reading was

44.035ulU/ml the normal range (0.35 - 5.50). The excess secretion of thyroid

hormone indicate that Angie’s thyroid is barely functioning...if it were

functioning she would be converting the thyroid hormone into T3 & T4's.

I called Dr. Kellman and he confirmed that this definitely indicates she

has severe hypothyroidism......!

If we can catch and detect their low functioning thyroid problems

early...we could possible reverse or prevent a lot of the other problems

from even occurring. I believe there is a good chance that AUTISM is just a

hypothyroidism problem that is undiagnosed and untreated in most

children....thereby creating a multitude of chains of events to occur.

I believe it would be well worth the DAN doctor’s time and effort’s to

start doing the TRH test on their patients.

Please let me know what you think?????

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Unfortunately there are no " keys " to healing autism. Many things

have worked for many people & the rare few have found those specific

things that triggered healing in their children. The majority never

find that " key " to healing. It's not that cut & dry for most

unfortunately. Most of us chase down every avenue with little to no

success.

Michele

>

> >From: " Skipper Beers " <lsb149@...>

>

> > >From: " hugs_may99 " <hugs4Him99@...>

> >

> > >I have epstein barr/chronic fatigue, suspect Hashimoto's, have

> > >sluggish adrenals, inflammation syndrome, candida, bacteria, &

> > >hormonal issues.

> > >

> > >My 12yr old son is severely autistic; my 8-1/2yr old is high

> > >functioning with sensory issues; my 4-1/2 yr old has sensory

issues

> > > & food allergies (dairy & tree nut); my 15m old has food

allergies

> > >(dairy, all grains, potatoes). I suspect candida & metal

toxicity

> > >for all of them.

>

> One woman's experience in regard to autism. This was a letter to

her

> doctor. Obviously, with the huge increase in autism, there's a

reason for

> it. Vaccinations or simply lax environmentalism, I don't know.

>

> I do know Armour Thyroid helps a lot of diverse conditions. Many

people are

> iodine deficient,and in some cases iodine alone can cure a thyroid

problem.

> But, I wouldn't wait and see with severe issues. Dr. Derry

used to put

> patients on ArmourThyroid and then tell them to also take a couple

drops of

> Lugol's Solution. I think this is a good way to start and see

what happens.

>

> Part of the problem is of course, the doctors tend to give up

their judgment

> to the lab. The lab will say that TSH (or whatever) on the lab

slip is not

> a well / sick cutoff, but a " normal range' into which 95.5 percent

of the

> population fall. The doctor on the other hand looks at the lab

slip and

> says, " It's normal, nothing to worry about. Now I can give you

six

> different meds to control your six different symptoms. " So, it's

hard to

> sue the doctor who's just looking at the lab report and

seeing " normal " , and

> the lab never claimed to be diagnosing your condition. Only

testing your

> level, and telling the doctor where 95.5 percent of the population

falls.

> And that has nothing to do with optimall function or a well / sick

cutoff,

> it's only a mathematical concept.

>

> 02/22/98

>

> Dear Dr. Rimland:

> Please bear with me but maybe I've stumbled on to one of

the " keys " to

> autism that has been greatly over-looked.

> Actually credit should really go to Dr. Raphael Kellman,

M.D., at The

> Center for Progressive Medicine in New York and to Dr.

, M.D.

> (a DAN doctor) in Richland, WA - although neither of them know it

yet.

> A must to read is the article in the Alternative Medicine

Magazine - Issue

> 22 that targets the " thyroid " . On the side bar there are three

more

> articles...one should read all three of them too. Please be aware

none of

> these articles mention " autism " ....but concentrate on only the

symptoms as

> you are reading. Vicki Westlund recently made me aware of these

articles via

> the autism listserv.

> According to Dr. Kellman the thyroid is one of the most over-

looked organs

> in the body. The old means of testing were too cumbersome and time

consuming

> so was abandoned by most physicians - they opt to do the T4 or

TSH.

> According to Kellman 90% of the medical problems today result from

lack of

> proper attention and testing of the thyroid and it's functioning.

> We are mainly talking about " hypothyroidism " - an

underfunctioning of the

> thyroid. There are a variety of causes: hereditary, environmental,

> chemo/radiation, excess hormones in processed meats, mercury

(fillings in

> teeth - immunizations), excess iodine (table salt), etc.

> Once damage to the thyroid takes place it affects all the

other

> organs....starting with digestion and absorption. Now toxin's

start building

> in the system. You can have an array of symptoms: weight

gain/weight loss

> depending on the type of metabolism you had to begin with.

Creating no

> appetite or binge eating. Bloating, fluid retention, skin problems

(itching,

> eczema, psoriasis, acne, hives & other skin eruptions, skin pallor

or

> yellowing).

> The immune system also starts to deteriorate since the

necessary vitamins,

> minerals, are not being absorbed, also creating problem's with

amino acids.

> Two more problems are created: (1) repeated infections and (2)

cold's and

> upper respiratory infections.

> Now let's add a bunch of antibiotics...to treat these two

problems...there

> goes the good bacteria..allowing candida yeast to take over which

results

> IgG (delayed food allergies) and also opening the doors to

introduction of

> viruses and parasites.

> Other symptoms of an underfunction thyroid are: depression,

low body

> temperature, infertility, menstrual disorders, memory

disturbances,

> concentration difficulties, paranoia, migraines, over-sleeping

and/or the

> inability to sleep due to gastrointestinal discomforts or

anemia, " laziness "

> (no motivation), muscle aches and or weaknesses (low muscle tone),

hearing

> disturbances (burning, prickly sensations or noises in the head),

slow

> reaction time and mental sluggishness, labored breathing,

hoarseness, speech

> problems, brittle nails and poor vision and/or light sensitivity.

> All of Dr. Kellman's patient's have a wide variety of

symptoms but all have

> malabsorption, defficiencies in vitamins and minerals, this

creates chemical

> imbalances resulting in neurotransmitting problems.

> If the above should take place in a non-verbal child, let's

say before they

> acquire speech - you would get the diagnosis of a " mute " autistic

child.

> Let's say the child had begun to talk...but due to the

thyroid

> problem...lost speech - they would get the diagnosis or label of

PDD/Autism.

> A child affected later might be considered high functioning.

> Children with candida, food allergies, immune system

dysfunctions, viruses

> that go undetected might show degrees of improvement with the

various

> treatments whether it be IV therapy, anti-viral, nutritional

intervention,

> or maybe a change in environment...but all continue to deteriorate

if these

> treatment's are stopped. WHY????? Because one thing is being over-

looked...a

> " thyroid dysfunction " ...and the standard test are so inaccurate.

> Dr. Kellman says that the normal means of testing that most

physician's use

> T3, T4, and TSH all may result in a normal reading....but it does

not

> reflect the actual functioning level of the thyroid.

> Dr. Kellman says the only reliable test is the TRH, but due

to the fast

> paced assembly line of modern medicine...it was a cumbersome and

time

> consuming test so Dr.'s abandoned it opting to use the TSH in it's

place.

> The TRH test has since been greatly improved over the old

technique.

> First a pre-TSH is taken.

> An injection of Tyrel(Protirelin)TRH is given directly into

the vein via a

> butterfly.

> A post-TSH is taken in exactly 25 minutes.

>

> There are no adverse or dangerous side effects. Everyone

experiences a " 30

> second " wave of nausea and/or the feeling they have to

urinate...they do

> neither..it is just a feeling. They may also experience a slight

drop or

> rise in their blood pressure...but that is very temporary.

> If the second (or post-TSH) reading is 10...that indicates a

low

> functioning thyroid, if it's 15 a moderate low functioning of the

thyroid,

> and if 20 a severe low functioning thyroid.

> Dr. Kellman primarily deals with teenager's or adults.

> Dr. test the thyroid by NAET (muscle testing) but is

finding

> hypothyroidism in 100% of the autistic children he deal's with.

> None of the research I've seen so far mentions...or target's

the

> " thyroid " ...not one word in the DAN or Goldberg's reports...or any

of the

> autism research I've seen.

> In our case for example...my husband had a benign nodule (½

his thyroid)

> removed in 1992...which was only detected when the nodule got so

enlarged he

> could actual see and feel it and had discomfort when

swallowing...it was not

> detected by his normal thyroid testing which did not include the

TRH...they

> always came back normal...these test were done yearly due to his

work

> physical requirements. We have no ideal how long the condition

existed prior

> to it's detection.

> My daughter, Angie, was born December 13, 1988, she had 4

out of 5

> reactions to DPT..the lot being pulled 4 times, but nothing ever

recorded by

> Dr. or reported by him. She was a very normal baby until 18 months

of

> age...then almost changed over night. By this time she had had 15

doses of

> " mercury " in immunizations and multiple upper respiratory

infections, ear

> infections, etc. These were treated with truck loads of

> antibiotics...constantly for about 6 years.

> She went through as I remember various problems with the

intestinal track -

> spastic colon (little balls), clay colored mushy stuff, then

severe

> constipation. Stool softeners didn't work, mineral oils made her

vomit and

> for the next 3 years she had to have enemas on a daily basis..and

then the

> bowels barely moved. The pediatrician called it " psychological

> constipation " ....normal for " kid's like this " ...we would just have

to live

> with it. She also lost all speech.

> She totally refused food, lived solely on ProSobee Baby

formula for 3 ½

> years...would projectile if food came within three feet of her.

> Also, during this period was constantly sick...ear

infections, sore

> throats, viruses, bronchitis, chicken pox twice..the second time

so severe

> she had to have IV's for 27 hours, she had hives, itched all the

time (still

> does), had eczema on scalp, yeast rash on bottom several times,

seasonal

> allergy symptoms 95% of the time, thin hair, white skin (which is

now very

> yellow), thin hair, thin peeling finger nails. She plugged her

ears until

> they bled, gagged and projectile vomited a lot, and her eyes were

very

> sensitive to light and she rubbed them constantly.

> She lived on antibiotics from 18 months until October of

1996.

> In 1995 she was diagnosed by Carl Pfeiffer as severe zinc

deficient with a

> very high zinc/copper ratio, and had many vitamin/mineral

imbalances and

> chemical imbalances.

> She was on their program 1 year...gained 5 lbs..but not a

lot of

> improvement. She still had lot's of upper respiratory and ear

infections,

> did start saying a word or two, and did starting a little food. I

informed

> Dr. Glabb about the DAN protocol...she was not a DAN doctor at

that time.

> In October of 1996, we had her allergy tested at Immuno

Labs...the results

> were: no immediate allergies, 29 out of 209 IgG delayed food

allergies which

> included casein and gluten..no Candida at that time but has since

acquired

> it. I put her on a rotation diet...she acquired an appetite for

the first

> time in her life. I also at the same time put her on an array of

> supplements..vitamins/minerals, extra zinc, herb's....everything I

could

> possibly find to boost the immune system. She gained 10 lbs...but

still had

> burping, belching, gas and sluggish bowels.

> About the same time we got a computer and internet access

and I jointed the

> autism listserve where I encountered Vicki Westlund. She talked me

into

> another hair analysis in August of 1997. Angie was low in Calcium,

Sodium,

> Potassium, Copper, Zinc and Germanium and showed absolutely NO

iron,

> manganese, Chromium, Cobalt or Silica...she also showed traces

of " mercury "

> and " aluminum " ...but within the normal range. Also she was low in

most

> additional minerals.

> After Vicki's analysis's and with the help of Dr.

Moreno...we switched her

> supplemental program, also added Olivir, Piracetam and Soil Based

Organisms.

> Her appetite increased and her immune system improved and her

bowel's

> started functioning without enemas, although still sluggish. She

also has

> gone from saying just a couple of words to eight word sentences.

> All the supplement's in the world won't help though if she

is suffering

> from an underactive thyroid.

> We are now on our 4th doctor and after a two week battle and

numerous phone

> calls to New York and Dr. Kellman's office he (Dr. Kiel)

reluctantly agreed

> to run a TRH on Angie. (Most doctor's initial request to a TRH is

comparable

> to asking them to do their first amputation in the office

blindfolded.) They

> are convinced the T3, T4 and TSH means of testing are accurate.

Dr. Kellman

> however, deems them totally inaccurate!

> Friday...I just got Angie's result's on the TRH...her pre-

TSH was

> 2.906ulU/ml the normal range (0.35 - 5.50).....her post-TSH

reading was

> 44.035ulU/ml the normal range (0.35 - 5.50). The excess secretion

of thyroid

> hormone indicate that Angie's thyroid is barely functioning...if

it were

> functioning she would be converting the thyroid hormone into T3 &

T4's.

> I called Dr. Kellman and he confirmed that this definitely

indicates she

> has severe hypothyroidism......!

> If we can catch and detect their low functioning thyroid

problems

> early...we could possible reverse or prevent a lot of the other

problems

> from even occurring. I believe there is a good chance that AUTISM

is just a

> hypothyroidism problem that is undiagnosed and untreated in most

> children....thereby creating a multitude of chains of events to

occur.

> I believe it would be well worth the DAN doctor's time and

effort's to

> start doing the TRH test on their patients.

> Please let me know what you think?????

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>From: " hugs_may99 " <hugs4Him99@...>

> > Armour Thyroid can cure many things.

>

>

>I was trying to avoid any meds; I've read varying things reg. Armour.

Think of a natural hunter / gatherer diet. They didn't waste much of the

edible parts, and used the other parts for food and shelter.

Do you think they threw the animal's thyroid gland away? I doubt it. I

haven't reserearched that, but if they ate kidneys and brains, maybe they

knew what to do with the thyroid too. As well as the adrenals (which

contain hydrocortisone and other adrenal hormones.)

Armour thyroid is a pork product, and a lot like food.

>

>He's not been tested for thyroid or adrenal issues; could be I just

>don't know.

???Serious health issues, and thyroid not even tested. Ever hear of

cretinism? It's said to be iodine deficiency which is true, but it's really

because iodine deficiency causes low thyroid, which causes a multitude of

other problems. Including slowed, slurred speech, and some things that

might look like autism.

> > Of course, if they have adrenal issues also, low dose

>hydrocortisone can

> > make a huge difference.

>

>

>No drugs though. They cause us too many problems; I go all natural

>AMAP.

They already have problems, from what you've said. Hormones are really

different than drugs. (i.e. bio-identical hormones, not the patented

ones.)

>That's okay. I'm avoiding meds as well. I want long term healing for

>all, not a bandaid.

That's what you should want. Ever have your breast milk tested for mercury,

perchlorate, or other harmful toxins/drugs you might be passing on? I'm not

even sure they do that, but in some areas of the country breast milk has

perchlorate which interferes with thyroid/iodine function. Maybe Armour

would compensate for perchlorate to some degree. Actually, I think they

said women all over this country have found to have perchlorate, which used

to be used as an anti-thyroid drug (as was fluoride.) So, wanting to avoid

drugs is good. But, how sure are you that you get no pesticides,

fluoridated water, or perchlorate or other drugs that interfere with thyroid

function that need to be compensated for?

>Mother's milk is best for any infant, not cow's milk. The next best

>thing, as per our natural dr & everything I " ve read, would be raw

>goat's milk.

It may depend on what toxins are in that area of the country.

>

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have you tried iodine?

Gracia

Unfortunately there are no "keys" to healing autism. Many things have worked for many people & the rare few have found those specific things that triggered healing in their children. The majority never find that "key" to healing. It's not that cut & dry for most unfortunately. Most of us chase down every avenue with little to no success.Michele---

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I am interested in trying iodine for my autistic son & have been

asking about how to go about that. I don't know if I'll find any

helpful practitioners for that.

Michele

>

>

> have you tried iodine?

> Gracia

>

> Unfortunately there are no " keys " to healing autism. Many things

> have worked for many people & the rare few have found those

specific

> things that triggered healing in their children. The majority

never

> find that " key " to healing. It's not that cut & dry for most

> unfortunately. Most of us chase down every avenue with little to

no

> success.

>

> Michele

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Who can be sure they're not getting junk in their food? Why should I

give my children *junky* formula or even goat's milk because who

knows what's in that???

I didn't come on this list to get slammed for breastfeeding my

children & I am doing them NO harm in doing so. They are protected

by my milk & I know that for a fact.

I had asked for help with iodine & would like to stay on topic becz

that's what I'm here for.

Michele

>

> That's what you should want. Ever have your breast milk tested for

mercury,

> perchlorate, or other harmful toxins/drugs you might be passing

on? I'm not

> even sure they do that, but in some areas of the country breast

milk has

> perchlorate which interferes with thyroid/iodine function. Maybe

Armour

> would compensate for perchlorate to some degree. Actually, I

think they

> said women all over this country have found to have perchlorate,

which used

> to be used as an anti-thyroid drug (as was fluoride.) So, wanting

to avoid

> drugs is good. But, how sure are you that you get no pesticides,

> fluoridated water, or perchlorate or other drugs that interfere

with thyroid

> function that need to be compensated for?

>

> >Mother's milk is best for any infant, not cow's milk. The next

best

> >thing, as per our natural dr & everything I " ve read, would be raw

> >goat's milk.

>

> It may depend on what toxins are in that area of the country.

> >

>

> Skipper

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Honey, I don't think that the intent was to slam. Please know that. What is being discovered, through much research, is that many of our childrens issues are definitely passed on down ..through us. Yes, definitely, mothers milk is THE BEST for our infants .. but, when you know that your infant child has very specific problems, (IMO anyway) wouldn't it behoove you to begin "considering" everything as a possible culprit? No slam, at all intended .. just something to consider .. ?? Not too long before I became pregnant with my child, I had mono. I was "sickly" throughout my whole pregnancy. Our son was born emergency c-section after I had been in labor for 26 hours. His monitor was showing "stressed", so finally the doc decided on the c-section. In looking back, this is what my situation was back then, of

which I"m sure (at least some of which) can be attributed to my sons problems today. From what I understand/have read, there doesn't even have to be any kind of "history" of problems .. every childs make up is different and reacts differently to the environment. Thus, the question as far as researching external things that could be attributing to your childs problems. I applaud you for researching a possible iodine issue with your child! Continue on with your research to find out the "why's" and "wherefore's" of your child's deficiencies. Best to you, Glo hugs_may99 <hugs4Him99@...> wrote: Who can be sure they're not getting junk in their food? Why should I give my children *junky* formula or even goat's milk because who knows what's in that???I didn't come on this list to get slammed for breastfeeding my children & I am doing them NO harm in doing so. They are protected by my milk & I know that for a fact. I had asked for help with iodine & would like to stay on topic becz that's what I'm here for.Michele---> > >Mother's milk is best for any infant, not cow's milk. The next best> >thing, as per our natural dr & everything I"ve read, would be raw> >goat's milk.> > It may depend on what toxins are in that area of the country.>

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>

> Who can be sure they're not getting junk in their food? Why should I

> give my children *junky* formula or even goat's milk because who

> knows what's in that???

>

> I didn't come on this list to get slammed for breastfeeding my

> children & I am doing them NO harm in doing so. They are protected

> by my milk & I know that for a fact.

>

> I had asked for help with iodine & would like to stay on topic becz

> that's what I'm here for.

I'm sorry.

I still see autism as a rare disorder. When you mentioned two

autistic children it made me wonder if you were in an environmentally

contaminated area, which could be affecting you.

Also, one of the problems will be you said one of your children were

probably damaged because you were chelating at the time. Iodine does

have some chelating effect. So, it may not be known whether it's a

good idea to go on iodine while nursing. Infants do need iodine, and

it can increase milk supply. But, recently somebody in this group has

been saying about how iodine might even chelate mercury from the

teeth, which you say you have.

So, it could be a problem while nursing, but I doubt if anyone really

knows if it will be in your case. Lugol's is also antibacterial, and

antiviral, which can also help.

It's likely it would be a good supplement for your children, and if

they were mine I would probably start them on a drop or two per day.

I doubt anyone can say for sure whether or not it would be best for a

nursing mother if she has toxins in her body.

Skipper

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> I still see autism as a rare disorder. When you mentioned two

> autistic children it made me wonder if you were in an

environmentally

> contaminated area, which could be affecting you.

We're not, but it's also not as rare as you think. It's actually

quite prevalent all over & the rates have gone up considerably in

recent years.

>

> Also, one of the problems will be you said one of your children

were

> probably damaged because you were chelating at the time.

No, I didn't & I wasn't. I was not chelating. I took a supplement,

some kind of algae, that had a " detoxifying " effect. Detox &

chelating are two very different things. And I don't know if that

had any effect.

My second son has nothing that will be a problem in his life, like

his older brother does. They are very different. Most people

consider him " NT " it's so mild, but I know just from my knowledge of

these issues.

Michele

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Glo,

I've been up & down this issue forever. I am not a " newbie " to

autism or natural treatments or causes. I know what affected my son -

I know.

I came on here strictly to find out about iodine, & I'm spending my

time defending myself for breastfeeding & explaining autism. The

only reason I even mentioned I was nursing was to find out about

that & iodine, but I'll have to deal with my healh care practitioner

on this whole issue. This has been a waste of time & no help so far.

I expected more I guess.

Michele

> Who can be sure they're not getting junk in their food?

Why should I

> give my children *junky* formula or even goat's milk because who

> knows what's in that???

>

> I didn't come on this list to get slammed for breastfeeding my

> children & I am doing them NO harm in doing so. They are protected

> by my milk & I know that for a fact.

>

> I had asked for help with iodine & would like to stay on topic

becz

> that's what I'm here for.

>

> Michele

>

> --->

> > >Mother's milk is best for any infant, not cow's milk. The next

> best

> > >thing, as per our natural dr & everything I " ve read, would be

raw

> > >goat's milk.

> >

> > It may depend on what toxins are in that area of the country.

> > >

> >

> > Skipper

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Michele

have you consulted a Broda doc or DAN doc? http://www.brodabarnes.org

my old Broda doc was also a DAN doc and I think he would have been very excited about iodine/Iodoral.

Where do you live?

Autism Research Institute650 Brighton AvePortland Maine207 828-4299

Gracia

I am interested in trying iodine for my autistic son & have been asking about how to go about that. I don't know if I'll find any helpful practitioners for that.Michele>> > have you tried iodine?> Gracia> >

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Michele,

> I doubt anyone can say for sure whether or not it would be best for

a

> nursing mother if she has toxins in her body.

This question came up in previous posts. I recall one of the iodine

doctors being quoted as saying it was safe since pregnant/nursing

women in Japan consume over 13mg of iodine/day with no ill effects to

their babies. I personally don't agree with that logic. If it were me

I would be much more conservative. My thinking is that Japanese women

have been consuming high amounts of iodine for their entire lives so

any detoxing effects of iodine would have been spread out over their

lives. For someone new to high dose iodine, I think the detox effect

would be too much to risk for a baby. That said, babies and mom's do

need iodine and I don't think we get enough in our food. I personally

would supplement a small amount, perhaps 400-500mcg (just a few times

more than the 150mcg RDA). That is the approximate amount in one kelp

capsule.

For your children, again if they were mine, I would try them on

Lugol's, perhaps starting with one drop 3 times a week. If there were

no problems, I would increase to a drop or two per day. More or less

could be used depending on their weight, response, etc. A long term

maintenance dose for an adult would be as much 2 drops a day, though

of course many people supplement more than that for periods of time.

Best wishes,

Sharon

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I've consulted with a DAN! nutritionist, who is supplement happy,

which never agreed with my son, so I haven't consulted with her in

quite a while. We had never discussed iodine though.

There is another DAN! dr I can consult with, as long as I can keep

him to the iodine discussion. Much of what DAN! recommends does not

work for my son, from years of experience, so we are careful with

them.

I will check out the website; thank you.

Michele

> >

> >

> > have you tried iodine?

> > Gracia

> >

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No one is asking you to defend your breastfeeding. It was only suggested

that you might want to look at that as a possible issue. It is not

exactly news that many substances pass throught the breastmilk to your

baby that can effect iodine utilization in your child. Perchlorate being

the big one. If that is not something you want to look at that is your

choice but no one here can know what it is you do or do not want to

hear.

Have you read the files section of this list? Also you may want to go to

iodine4health.com. Perhaps that is where you should start if you haven't

already. Then you can ask more specific questions.

Irene

At 09:17 AM 12/7/2006, you wrote:

Glo,

I've been up & down this issue forever. I am not a " newbie "

to

autism or natural treatments or causes. I know what affected my son

-

I know.

I came on here strictly to find out about iodine, & I'm spending my

time defending myself for breastfeeding & explaining autism. The

only reason I even mentioned I was nursing was to find out about

that & iodine, but I'll have to deal with my healh care practitioner

on this whole issue. This has been a waste of time & no help so far.

I expected more I guess.

Michele

> Who can be sure they're not getting junk in their food?

Why should I

> give my children *junky* formula or even goat's milk because who

> knows what's in that???

>

> I didn't come on this list to get slammed for breastfeeding my

> children & I am doing them NO harm in doing so. They are

protected

> by my milk & I know that for a fact.

>

> I had asked for help with iodine & would like to stay on topic

becz

> that's what I'm here for.

>

> Michele

>

> --->

> > >Mother's milk is best for any infant, not cow's milk. The

next

> best

> > >thing, as per our natural dr & everything I " ve

read, would be

raw

> > >goat's milk.

> >

> > It may depend on what toxins are in that area of the

country.

> > >

> >

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That was uncalled for; I don't avoid issues & I'm not an idiot. I

know what harmed my son & if it was my milk I'd have *4* autistic

kids, which I do not!!

Michele

> > > Who can be sure they're not getting junk in their food?

> >Why should I

> > > give my children *junky* formula or even goat's milk because

who

> > > knows what's in that???

> > >

> > > I didn't come on this list to get slammed for breastfeeding my

> > > children & I am doing them NO harm in doing so. They are

protected

> > > by my milk & I know that for a fact.

> > >

> > > I had asked for help with iodine & would like to stay on topic

> >becz

> > > that's what I'm here for.

> > >

> > > Michele

> > >

> > > --->

> > > > >Mother's milk is best for any infant, not cow's milk. The

next

> > > best

> > > > >thing, as per our natural dr & everything I " ve read, would

be

> >raw

> > > > >goat's milk.

> > > >

> > > > It may depend on what toxins are in that area of the country.

> > > > >

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I'm leaving this list but I will be using Lugols.

I have to state for the record I think the responses to me have been

ridiculous. One mention would have been fine, but the constant

barrage of statements that I'm not supposed to feel I need to defend

is unwarranted. It's obvious there is a vast amount of

misinformation reg. autism & breastfeeding. I don't have time to

educate everyone, & most people don't want to hear it anyway, so I

have to put my energy elsewhere.

Best to all,

Michele

> > > > Who can be sure they're not getting junk in their food?

> > >Why should I

> > > > give my children *junky* formula or even goat's milk because

> who

> > > > knows what's in that???

> > > >

> > > > I didn't come on this list to get slammed for breastfeeding

my

> > > > children & I am doing them NO harm in doing so. They are

> protected

> > > > by my milk & I know that for a fact.

> > > >

> > > > I had asked for help with iodine & would like to stay on

topic

> > >becz

> > > > that's what I'm here for.

> > > >

> > > > Michele

> > > >

> > > > --->

> > > > > >Mother's milk is best for any infant, not cow's milk. The

> next

> > > > best

> > > > > >thing, as per our natural dr & everything I " ve read,

would

> be

> > >raw

> > > > > >goat's milk.

> > > > >

> > > > > It may depend on what toxins are in that area of the

country.

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>From: " hugs_may99 " <hugs4Him99@...>

>Reply-iodine

>I'm leaving this list but I will be using Lugols.

>

>I have to state for the record I think the responses to me have been

>ridiculous. One mention would have been fine, but the constant

>barrage of statements that I'm not supposed to feel I need to defend

>is unwarranted. It's obvious there is a vast amount of

>misinformation reg. autism & breastfeeding. I don't have time to

>educate everyone, & most people don't want to hear it anyway, so I

>have to put my energy elsewhere.

Well, the thread was started by a senseless male. When I read,

" I have epstein barr/chronic fatigue, suspect Hashimoto's, have

sluggish adrenals, inflammation syndrome, candida, bacteria, &

hormonal issues. "

I had to wonder, if nursing was best when one had bacteria, candida, and

inflammation. I guess, since all cow's milk has pus in it, and is sold to

humans and probably given to baby cows, maybe the antibodies in the milk

deactivates the " bacteria " ? I've never heard any discussion about nursing

that covered whether there's any harm based on the mother's health

condition.

Also, I thought autism was rare, so I simply wondered if it was something in

the environment which not only might you be passing on, but if there's an

epidemic of autism in your area, maybe you need to move.

If autism is everywhere, that would be pointless. I've not looked at

statistics.

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on this

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depression), anxiety disorder (panic attacks), ADD/ADHD and other mental

illnesses. The

program is based on use of specific vitamin/supplements and frequent

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The testimonials are amazing, and it sure beats RX treatments. Most of the

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> >

> > >From: " Skipper Beers " <lsb149@>

> >

> > > >From: " hugs_may99 " <hugs4Him99@>

> > >

> > > >I have epstein barr/chronic fatigue, suspect Hashimoto's, have

> > > >sluggish adrenals, inflammation syndrome, candida, bacteria, &

> > > >hormonal issues.

> > > >

> > > >My 12yr old son is severely autistic; my 8-1/2yr old is high

> > > >functioning with sensory issues; my 4-1/2 yr old has sensory

> issues

> > > > & food allergies (dairy & tree nut); my 15m old has food

> allergies

> > > >(dairy, all grains, potatoes). I suspect candida & metal

> toxicity

> > > >for all of them.

> >

> > One woman's experience in regard to autism. This was a letter to

> her

> > doctor. Obviously, with the huge increase in autism, there's a

> reason for

> > it. Vaccinations or simply lax environmentalism, I don't know.

> >

> > I do know Armour Thyroid helps a lot of diverse conditions. Many

> people are

> > iodine deficient,and in some cases iodine alone can cure a thyroid

> problem.

> > But, I wouldn't wait and see with severe issues. Dr. Derry

> used to put

> > patients on ArmourThyroid and then tell them to also take a couple

> drops of

> > Lugol's Solution. I think this is a good way to start and see

> what happens.

> >

> > Part of the problem is of course, the doctors tend to give up

> their judgment

> > to the lab. The lab will say that TSH (or whatever) on the lab

> slip is not

> > a well / sick cutoff, but a " normal range' into which 95.5 percent

> of the

> > population fall. The doctor on the other hand looks at the lab

> slip and

> > says, " It's normal, nothing to worry about. Now I can give you

> six

> > different meds to control your six different symptoms. " So, it's

> hard to

> > sue the doctor who's just looking at the lab report and

> seeing " normal " , and

> > the lab never claimed to be diagnosing your condition. Only

> testing your

> > level, and telling the doctor where 95.5 percent of the population

> falls.

> > And that has nothing to do with optimall function or a well / sick

> cutoff,

> > it's only a mathematical concept.

> >

> > 02/22/98

> >

> > Dear Dr. Rimland:

> > Please bear with me but maybe I've stumbled on to one of

> the " keys " to

> > autism that has been greatly over-looked.

> > Actually credit should really go to Dr. Raphael Kellman,

> M.D., at The

> > Center for Progressive Medicine in New York and to Dr.

> , M.D.

> > (a DAN doctor) in Richland, WA - although neither of them know it

> yet.

> > A must to read is the article in the Alternative Medicine

> Magazine - Issue

> > 22 that targets the " thyroid " . On the side bar there are three

> more

> > articles...one should read all three of them too. Please be aware

> none of

> > these articles mention " autism " ....but concentrate on only the

> symptoms as

> > you are reading. Vicki Westlund recently made me aware of these

> articles via

> > the autism listserv.

> > According to Dr. Kellman the thyroid is one of the most over-

> looked organs

> > in the body. The old means of testing were too cumbersome and time

> consuming

> > so was abandoned by most physicians - they opt to do the T4 or

> TSH.

> > According to Kellman 90% of the medical problems today result from

> lack of

> > proper attention and testing of the thyroid and it's functioning.

> > We are mainly talking about " hypothyroidism " - an

> underfunctioning of the

> > thyroid. There are a variety of causes: hereditary, environmental,

> > chemo/radiation, excess hormones in processed meats, mercury

> (fillings in

> > teeth - immunizations), excess iodine (table salt), etc.

> > Once damage to the thyroid takes place it affects all the

> other

> > organs....starting with digestion and absorption. Now toxin's

> start building

> > in the system. You can have an array of symptoms: weight

> gain/weight loss

> > depending on the type of metabolism you had to begin with.

> Creating no

> > appetite or binge eating. Bloating, fluid retention, skin problems

> (itching,

> > eczema, psoriasis, acne, hives & other skin eruptions, skin pallor

> or

> > yellowing).

> > The immune system also starts to deteriorate since the

> necessary vitamins,

> > minerals, are not being absorbed, also creating problem's with

> amino acids.

> > Two more problems are created: (1) repeated infections and (2)

> cold's and

> > upper respiratory infections.

> > Now let's add a bunch of antibiotics...to treat these two

> problems...there

> > goes the good bacteria..allowing candida yeast to take over which

> results

> > IgG (delayed food allergies) and also opening the doors to

> introduction of

> > viruses and parasites.

> > Other symptoms of an underfunction thyroid are: depression,

> low body

> > temperature, infertility, menstrual disorders, memory

> disturbances,

> > concentration difficulties, paranoia, migraines, over-sleeping

> and/or the

> > inability to sleep due to gastrointestinal discomforts or

> anemia, " laziness "

> > (no motivation), muscle aches and or weaknesses (low muscle tone),

> hearing

> > disturbances (burning, prickly sensations or noises in the head),

> slow

> > reaction time and mental sluggishness, labored breathing,

> hoarseness, speech

> > problems, brittle nails and poor vision and/or light sensitivity.

> > All of Dr. Kellman's patient's have a wide variety of

> symptoms but all have

> > malabsorption, defficiencies in vitamins and minerals, this

> creates chemical

> > imbalances resulting in neurotransmitting problems.

> > If the above should take place in a non-verbal child, let's

> say before they

> > acquire speech - you would get the diagnosis of a " mute " autistic

> child.

> > Let's say the child had begun to talk...but due to the

> thyroid

> > problem...lost speech - they would get the diagnosis or label of

> PDD/Autism.

> > A child affected later might be considered high functioning.

> > Children with candida, food allergies, immune system

> dysfunctions, viruses

> > that go undetected might show degrees of improvement with the

> various

> > treatments whether it be IV therapy, anti-viral, nutritional

> intervention,

> > or maybe a change in environment...but all continue to deteriorate

> if these

> > treatment's are stopped. WHY????? Because one thing is being over-

> looked...a

> > " thyroid dysfunction " ...and the standard test are so inaccurate.

> > Dr. Kellman says that the normal means of testing that most

> physician's use

> > T3, T4, and TSH all may result in a normal reading....but it does

> not

> > reflect the actual functioning level of the thyroid.

> > Dr. Kellman says the only reliable test is the TRH, but due

> to the fast

> > paced assembly line of modern medicine...it was a cumbersome and

> time

> > consuming test so Dr.'s abandoned it opting to use the TSH in it's

> place.

> > The TRH test has since been greatly improved over the old

> technique.

> > First a pre-TSH is taken.

> > An injection of Tyrel(Protirelin)TRH is given directly into

> the vein via a

> > butterfly.

> > A post-TSH is taken in exactly 25 minutes.

> >

> > There are no adverse or dangerous side effects. Everyone

> experiences a " 30

> > second " wave of nausea and/or the feeling they have to

> urinate...they do

> > neither..it is just a feeling. They may also experience a slight

> drop or

> > rise in their blood pressure...but that is very temporary.

> > If the second (or post-TSH) reading is 10...that indicates a

> low

> > functioning thyroid, if it's 15 a moderate low functioning of the

> thyroid,

> > and if 20 a severe low functioning thyroid.

> > Dr. Kellman primarily deals with teenager's or adults.

> > Dr. test the thyroid by NAET (muscle testing) but is

> finding

> > hypothyroidism in 100% of the autistic children he deal's with.

> > None of the research I've seen so far mentions...or target's

> the

> > " thyroid " ...not one word in the DAN or Goldberg's reports...or any

> of the

> > autism research I've seen.

> > In our case for example...my husband had a benign nodule (½

> his thyroid)

> > removed in 1992...which was only detected when the nodule got so

> enlarged he

> > could actual see and feel it and had discomfort when

> swallowing...it was not

> > detected by his normal thyroid testing which did not include the

> TRH...they

> > always came back normal...these test were done yearly due to his

> work

> > physical requirements. We have no ideal how long the condition

> existed prior

> > to it's detection.

> > My daughter, Angie, was born December 13, 1988, she had 4

> out of 5

> > reactions to DPT..the lot being pulled 4 times, but nothing ever

> recorded by

> > Dr. or reported by him. She was a very normal baby until 18 months

> of

> > age...then almost changed over night. By this time she had had 15

> doses of

> > " mercury " in immunizations and multiple upper respiratory

> infections, ear

> > infections, etc. These were treated with truck loads of

> > antibiotics...constantly for about 6 years.

> > She went through as I remember various problems with the

> intestinal track -

> > spastic colon (little balls), clay colored mushy stuff, then

> severe

> > constipation. Stool softeners didn't work, mineral oils made her

> vomit and

> > for the next 3 years she had to have enemas on a daily basis..and

> then the

> > bowels barely moved. The pediatrician called it " psychological

> > constipation " ....normal for " kid's like this " ...we would just have

> to live

> > with it. She also lost all speech.

> > She totally refused food, lived solely on ProSobee Baby

> formula for 3 ½

> > years...would projectile if food came within three feet of her.

> > Also, during this period was constantly sick...ear

> infections, sore

> > throats, viruses, bronchitis, chicken pox twice..the second time

> so severe

> > she had to have IV's for 27 hours, she had hives, itched all the

> time (still

> > does), had eczema on scalp, yeast rash on bottom several times,

> seasonal

> > allergy symptoms 95% of the time, thin hair, white skin (which is

> now very

> > yellow), thin hair, thin peeling finger nails. She plugged her

> ears until

> > they bled, gagged and projectile vomited a lot, and her eyes were

> very

> > sensitive to light and she rubbed them constantly.

> > She lived on antibiotics from 18 months until October of

> 1996.

> > In 1995 she was diagnosed by Carl Pfeiffer as severe zinc

> deficient with a

> > very high zinc/copper ratio, and had many vitamin/mineral

> imbalances and

> > chemical imbalances.

> > She was on their program 1 year...gained 5 lbs..but not a

> lot of

> > improvement. She still had lot's of upper respiratory and ear

> infections,

> > did start saying a word or two, and did starting a little food. I

> informed

> > Dr. Glabb about the DAN protocol...she was not a DAN doctor at

> that time.

> > In October of 1996, we had her allergy tested at Immuno

> Labs...the results

> > were: no immediate allergies, 29 out of 209 IgG delayed food

> allergies which

> > included casein and gluten..no Candida at that time but has since

> acquired

> > it. I put her on a rotation diet...she acquired an appetite for

> the first

> > time in her life. I also at the same time put her on an array of

> > supplements..vitamins/minerals, extra zinc, herb's....everything I

> could

> > possibly find to boost the immune system. She gained 10 lbs...but

> still had

> > burping, belching, gas and sluggish bowels.

> > About the same time we got a computer and internet access

> and I jointed the

> > autism listserve where I encountered Vicki Westlund. She talked me

> into

> > another hair analysis in August of 1997. Angie was low in Calcium,

> Sodium,

> > Potassium, Copper, Zinc and Germanium and showed absolutely NO

> iron,

> > manganese, Chromium, Cobalt or Silica...she also showed traces

> of " mercury "

> > and " aluminum " ...but within the normal range. Also she was low in

> most

> > additional minerals.

> > After Vicki's analysis's and with the help of Dr.

> Moreno...we switched her

> > supplemental program, also added Olivir, Piracetam and Soil Based

> Organisms.

> > Her appetite increased and her immune system improved and her

> bowel's

> > started functioning without enemas, although still sluggish. She

> also has

> > gone from saying just a couple of words to eight word sentences.

> > All the supplement's in the world won't help though if she

> is suffering

> > from an underactive thyroid.

> > We are now on our 4th doctor and after a two week battle and

> numerous phone

> > calls to New York and Dr. Kellman's office he (Dr. Kiel)

> reluctantly agreed

> > to run a TRH on Angie. (Most doctor's initial request to a TRH is

> comparable

> > to asking them to do their first amputation in the office

> blindfolded.) They

> > are convinced the T3, T4 and TSH means of testing are accurate.

> Dr. Kellman

> > however, deems them totally inaccurate!

> > Friday...I just got Angie's result's on the TRH...her pre-

> TSH was

> > 2.906ulU/ml the normal range (0.35 - 5.50).....her post-TSH

> reading was

> > 44.035ulU/ml the normal range (0.35 - 5.50). The excess secretion

> of thyroid

> > hormone indicate that Angie's thyroid is barely functioning...if

> it were

> > functioning she would be converting the thyroid hormone into T3 &

> T4's.

> > I called Dr. Kellman and he confirmed that this definitely

> indicates she

> > has severe hypothyroidism......!

> > If we can catch and detect their low functioning thyroid

> problems

> > early...we could possible reverse or prevent a lot of the other

> problems

> > from even occurring. I believe there is a good chance that AUTISM

> is just a

> > hypothyroidism problem that is undiagnosed and untreated in most

> > children....thereby creating a multitude of chains of events to

> occur.

> > I believe it would be well worth the DAN doctor's time and

> effort's to

> > start doing the TRH test on their patients.

> > Please let me know what you think?????

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