Re: Iodine and compounded thyroid hormone

[Guest guest]

>From: " kdeutschler@... " <kdeutschler@...>

>My pharmacist today was vehemently discouraging using iodine when taking

>the

>compounded thyroid hormone as it is made from Tyrosine and iodine and it

>would

>throw off my thyroid replacement.....

>Any comments on his take?

>Anyone else using compounded T4/T3 and doing the iodine?

>Thanks,

It's likely just the general fear of iodine. Dr. Derry had good

success with giving patients Armour Thyroid (T4/T3) and having them take

Lugol's Solution along with it.

Why do you need compounded T4/T3 when Armour is available and more natural?

I know, too much T3 in proportion to T4?

You know, it's lack of T3 that makes one hypo, T4 is only a storage vehicle

(at least I've not heard otherwise). That being the case, the proportion

doesn't matter nearly as much. Allegedly Armour also has T4, T3, T1, and

calcitronin, all of which can be helpful. (Armour only mentions the T4 and

T3 because those amounts are closely controlled. They won't actually say

the other ingredients are in it.)

Skipper

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> Allegedly Armour also has T4, T3, T1, and

> calcitronin, all of which can be helpful.

My understanding is that calcitronin has been removed from Armour.

My guess - to make it patentable, entirely speculative on my part.

Carol

[Guest guest]

>From: " cbwillis9 " <cbwillis9@...>

>My understanding is that calcitronin has been removed from Armour.

>

>My guess - to make it patentable, entirely speculative on my part.

They don't tell you calcitronin is in it, but some people say it is. So, I

don't know which is the truth. Some people take Armour because they think

calcitronin is in it.

I don't think that would affect its patent-ability. After all, it's groung

up pork thyroid, manipulated to include specific amounts of thyroid hormone.

Not to mention it's irrelevant now as the patent would have expired long

ago.

Skipper

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Yes. I can't imagine where your pharmacist got his info that there was a negative interaction.

Lynne

Karin writes:

Anyone else using compounded T4/T3 and doing the iodine?

[Guest guest]

I am also taking compounded porcine thyroid hormone. It is made from

the same USP porcine thyroid hormone powder as Armour except without

the binders and fillers, which I have a problem with. These are the

ingredients in Armour:

Porcine Thyroid Powder, U.S. Pharmacopeia

Dextrose (sugar--allows you to do it sublingually)

Microcrystalline Cellulose

Sodium

Calcium Stearate (stabilizer and lubricant)

Opadry White (Titanium dioxide, but also contains trace amounts of

PEG (polyethylene glycol), Polysorbate 80,

and Hydroxypropyl Methycellulose

Compounded porcine thyroid hormone just has the cellulose as a

filler, but you can have other fillers also instead. I started out on

compounded T3/T4 (same ratio as armour/which is a synthetic

formulation), to keep away from binders and fillers, but I am doing

much better since I switched to compounded USP porcine thyroid

hormone that has the added T2, T1 and calcitonin. I am looking

forward to a new thyroid hormone prescription that is supposed to be

released hopefully soon. It will have just USP thyroid porcine

hormone and cellulose only as a filler. V

>

> >From: " kdeutschler@... " <kdeutschler@...>

>

> >My pharmacist today was vehemently discouraging using iodine when

taking

> >the

> >compounded thyroid hormone as it is made from Tyrosine and iodine

and it

> >would

> >throw off my thyroid replacement.....

> >Any comments on his take?

> >Anyone else using compounded T4/T3 and doing the iodine?

> >Thanks,

>

> It's likely just the general fear of iodine. Dr. Derry had

good

> success with giving patients Armour Thyroid (T4/T3) and having them

take

> Lugol's Solution along with it.

>

> Why do you need compounded T4/T3 when Armour is available and more

natural?

>

> I know, too much T3 in proportion to T4?

>

> You know, it's lack of T3 that makes one hypo, T4 is only a storage

vehicle

> (at least I've not heard otherwise). That being the case, the

proportion

> doesn't matter nearly as much. Allegedly Armour also has T4, T3,

T1, and

> calcitronin, all of which can be helpful. (Armour only mentions

the T4 and

> T3 because those amounts are closely controlled. They won't

actually say

> the other ingredients are in it.)

>

> Skipper

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[Guest guest]

FYI....

Per Brownstein's Iodine book (pg 84), " If iodine deficiency is

present, the use of thyroid hormone supplementation without first

correcting (or simultaneaously correcting) the iodine deficit will

exacerbate the body's deficit of iodine. The result of this can be

an increase in disorders...... "

Suzanne

> >

> > >From: " kdeutschler@ " <kdeutschler@>

> >

> > >My pharmacist today was vehemently discouraging using iodine

when

> taking

> > >the

> > >compounded thyroid hormone as it is made from Tyrosine and

iodine

> and it

> > >would

> > >throw off my thyroid replacement.....

> > >Any comments on his take?

> > >Anyone else using compounded T4/T3 and doing the iodine?

> > >Thanks,

> >

> > It's likely just the general fear of iodine. Dr. Derry had

> good

> > success with giving patients Armour Thyroid (T4/T3) and having

them

> take

> > Lugol's Solution along with it.

> >

> > Why do you need compounded T4/T3 when Armour is available and

more

> natural?

> >

> > I know, too much T3 in proportion to T4?

> >

> > You know, it's lack of T3 that makes one hypo, T4 is only a

storage

> vehicle

> > (at least I've not heard otherwise). That being the case, the

> proportion

> > doesn't matter nearly as much. Allegedly Armour also has T4, T3,

> T1, and

> > calcitronin, all of which can be helpful. (Armour only mentions

> the T4 and

> > T3 because those amounts are closely controlled. They won't

> actually say

> > the other ingredients are in it.)

> >

> > Skipper

> >

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[Guest guest]

I have encountered this on the net from a physics professor! He believes

that all the iodine he needs is in his T4 med!!!! Taking more would " shut his

thyroid gland down " but hello he has no thyroid function anyway.

I take 240mg Armour and 50mg Iodoral.

gracia

My pharmacist today was vehemently discouraging using iodine when taking the

compounded thyroid hormone as it is made from Tyrosine and iodine and it

would

throw off my thyroid replacement.....

Any comments on his take?

Anyone else using compounded T4/T3 and doing the iodine?

Thanks,

Karin

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[Guest guest]

Zoe,

I'm interested in this issue too. After the studies reporting that women

taking T4 had a higher rate of breast cancer, it may be that the T4 has to

steal

iodine for the breasts to keep up with the demands of T4. We really need an

iodine-literate thyroidologist to weigh in on this.

Lynne

In a message dated 7/28/2006 9:20:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

ZOEA@... writes:

Moreover, it has been asserted that, when taking supplemental TH, there is

an increased need for iodine. I don't understand the mechanism here, but it is

possible if the increased metabolism caused by the supplemental TH results

in an increased need for iodine.

[Guest guest]

I'm trying to imagine how taking iodine could affect taking a thyroid

supplement. So far, I haven't been able to imagine a mechanism.

Just looking at the thyroid, and ignoring the rest of the body, if supplementing

with iodine, the thyroid would absorb more iodide (except during a possible

period of acute shut-down of 48 hours during a Wolff-Chaikoff effect). The

thyroid would (1) use the iodide to create more hormones if needed, (2) store

excess as needed, and (3) excrete the rest.

If the supplemental TH (thyroid hormones) are adequate to take care of the

body's need, the extra iodide would not be used to create more TH.

If the thyroid has defective mechanisms, then there could be a problem. But

this problem would exist whether or not you are taking supplemental TH.

On the other hand, the entire body uses iodide. If you are not taking enough,

the entire body is deficient.

So, you are weighing the small possibility that the thyroid has a defective

iodine mechanism against the absolute certainty that the rest of the body needs

iodine.

Moreover, it has been asserted that, when taking supplemental TH, there is an

increased need for iodine. I don't understand the mechanism here, but it is

possible if the increased metabolism caused by the supplemental TH results in an

increased need for iodine.

Zoe

My pharmacist today was vehemently discouraging using iodine when taking the

compounded thyroid hormone as it is made from Tyrosine and iodine and it

would

throw off my thyroid replacement.....

Any comments on his take?

Anyone else using compounded T4/T3 and doing the iodine?

Thanks,

Karin

[Guest guest]

Zoe,

> Moreover, it has been asserted that, when taking supplemental TH,

there is an increased need for iodine. I don't understand the

mechanism here, but it is possible if the increased metabolism caused

by the supplemental TH results in an increased need for iodine.

I think your idea agrees with Dr. Brownstein, from his book (pg

83) " If thyroid hormone is given to an iodine-deficient patient, the

increased metabolic rate due to thyroid hormone will actually increse

the body's need for iodine as well as decreasing the ability of the

cells of the body to concentrate iodine. "

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Sharon.

But now I have another question: Why would taking TH decrease " the ability of

the cells of the body to concentrate iodine " ? I definitely don't understand

why this would happen. I wonder what evidence he has for this....

Zoe

Dr. Brownstein, from his book (pg 83) " If thyroid hormone is given to an

iodine-deficient patient, the increased metabolic rate due to thyroid hormone

will actually increase the body's need for iodine as well as decreasing the

ability of the cells of the body to concentrate iodine. "

Sharon

[Guest guest]

I should have included that but I hadn't read the next paragraph

when I sent the email. Ok, here is what came next:

" Iodine uptake by the cells is an energy dependent process which

requires APT. Thyroid hormones use the energy available for the

synthesis of ATP to produce heat. This effect lowers the available

ATP for cellular uptake of iodine by the target cells. If there are

lowered ATP levels in the body, the target cells have a more

difficult time concentrating iodine. Finally, if a hypothyroid

condition is treated with thyroid hormone and there is also iodine

deficiency present, the use of thyroid hormone will exacerbate an

iodine deficient condition. "

>

> Thanks, Sharon.

>

> But now I have another question: Why would taking TH

decrease " the ability of the cells of the body to concentrate

iodine " ? I definitely don't understand why this would happen. I

wonder what evidence he has for this....

>

> Zoe

>

> Dr. Brownstein, from his book (pg 83) " If thyroid hormone is

given to an iodine-deficient patient, the increased metabolic rate

due to thyroid hormone will actually increase the body's need for

iodine as well as decreasing the ability of the cells of the body to

concentrate iodine. "

>

> Sharon

>

>

>