Question about iodide urine test and thyroid hormone resistance

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Hello There,

I am trying to decide if taking iodine would be beneficial to me.

I had a 24 hour urine iodide loading test about 1 year ago.

The results were Iodide 39 Ref .1-.45

Percentage %78

Creatinine 1640 Range 600-1900

This was at the very beginning of a long term adverse drug reaction

to a fluoroquinolone antibiotic. I do not use iodized salt either.

The fluoroquinolone has a fluoride component and I'm wondering if

this has displaced my iodine further. So I'm thinking that I might

need to supplement.

I am hypothyroid and take Armour as well as hydrocortisone for

secondary adrenal insufficiency.

Since the fluoroquinolone toxicity my thyroid hormones are pooling in

my blood but body temps are way below normal with hypothyroid

symptoms but blood pressure and pulse are going high from the thyroid

hormone pooling.

I also did the skin patch test today and it is very light after about

4 and 1/2 hours. I know this is controversial and it may mean

nothing.

Should I start taking iodine? Also, I do have thyroid nodules as

well. I really need to figure out how to get my thyroid and adrenal

hormones into my cells.

Thanks for any info.

Gigi

[Guest guest]

> > The results were Iodide 39 Ref .1-.45> Percentage %78>

Since this was a year ago and you have taken a fluoride containing drug along with being on Armour it may be lower. Increased metabolic rate *uses* up iodine and since you are not supplementing I would suspect you are lower or the same.

> This was at the very beginning of a long term adverse drug reaction > to a fluoroquinolone antibiotic. I do not use iodized salt either.

Iodized salt is not a good thing to use. It is cleaned with a brine containing chloride and has had all the good trace minerals removed. Many of us use Celtic Salt and take 1/2 to 3/4 tsp per day as a supplement. This will increase your sodium levels which is a key component of the NIS (sodium iodine symporters) which are pumps to pull iodine into the cells. It also helps to detox the bromide from the body when you are supplementing. Please see www.breastcancerchoices.org for info on the salt flush/ bromide / iodine.

> > The fluoroquinolone has a fluoride component and I'm wondering if > this has displaced my iodine further. So I'm thinking that I might > need to supplement.

Based on your loading test level you are still deficient so I would definitely supplement. You are shooting for 90%> > I am hypothyroid and take Armour as well as hydrocortisone for > secondary adrenal insufficiency. > > Since the fluoroquinolone toxicity my thyroid hormones are pooling in > my blood but body temps are way below normal with hypothyroid > symptoms but blood pressure and pulse are going high from the thyroid > hormone pooling.

How do you know that they are pooling in the blood? Where are your Free T3 & Free T4 numbers in the ranges?> > I also did the skin patch test today and it is very light after about > 4 and 1/2 hours. I know this is controversial and it may mean > nothing.

You are right it is not a scientific indication of body saturation levels.> > Should I start taking iodine? Also, I do have thyroid nodules as > well. I really need to figure out how to get my thyroid and adrenal > hormones into my cells.

With thyroid nodules you definitely need some iodine. You will also want to make sure that you have the full spectrum of supporting nutrients. I have listed them on my website. www.naturalthyroidchoices.com

[Guest guest]

Thank you for

all the info.

I also post to the forums over at realthyroidhelp.com

..  The reason I believe that my hormones are pooling is that my free T3 is

above range and free T4 is well within range but I have many many hypo

symptoms.  Mainly low body temperature, constipation, dry skin etc.  The only

hyper symptoms are the BPand Pulse. 

Also, I don’t believe that my HC

(hydrocortisone) is working properly so my adrenals are not supported

sufficiently so thus the pooling of thyroid hormones.

I have lowered my Armour by ½ grain to get

my Free T3 down a bit even though I believe I am very hypo still.  I’m

hoping that by lowering my thyroid meds a bit that my cortisol will be higher

in relation so that the thyroid hormone can make it inot the cells.  Also, it

is known that fluoroquinolone antibiotics are very damaging to the endocrine

system.  They also damage the receptors on the cells all the way down to the

DNA. 

So how is the best way to supplement….with

Lugol’s?  I did order some sea kelp but now I’m wondering if it’s

a reputable brand without metal toxicities.  Nature’s Way was the brand I

purchased.

I actually only use sea salt in my cooking

for a long time now.  Regular salt is so bad so I try to stay away from it when

I can.

I do have celtic sea salt but I have not

supplemented with it in water.  Perhaps I should but I also don’t want a

raise in my BP.

I have also been using fluoride free toothpaste

since the fluoroquinolone toxicity happened.  It has been 15 months since this

happened and I’m still struggling to recover.

I am a big believer in natural

supplements, vitamins etc.  I took a look at your site and I take almost

everything you have listed.

Actually I am hoping that increasing my inositol

will help get the thyroid hormone into the cells too. I’ve read that it

can help.

Riboflavin and Vitamin A are perhaps the

only ones I might not be taking enough of.  I think I get those in some of the

supplements that I take already.

I have tested low in Vitamin D3 so I am

supplementing that and have also increased my B12 (tested low in that in the

past) plus magnesium (tested low in that in the past)  with mag citrate.  All

of these things can hinder utilization of thyroid hormone.  So the last thing I

haven’t tried is iodine.

Thanks for any info.  I really appreciate

your time.

Best,

Gigi

Re: Question

about iodide urine test and thyroid hormone resistance

>

> The results were Iodide 39 Ref .1-.45

> Percentage %78

>

Since this was

a year ago and you have taken a fluoride containing drug along with being on

Armour it may be lower. Increased metabolic rate *uses* up iodine and

since you are not supplementing I would suspect you are lower or the same.

> This was at the very beginning of a long term adverse drug reaction

> to a fluoroquinolone antibiotic. I do not use iodized salt either.

Iodized salt is

not a good thing to use. It is cleaned with a brine containing chloride

and has had all the good trace minerals removed. Many of us use Celtic

Salt and take 1/2 to 3/4 tsp per day as a supplement. This will increase

your sodium levels which is a key component of the NIS (sodium iodine symporters)

which are pumps to pull iodine into the cells. It also helps to detox the

bromide from the body when you are supplementing. Please see www.breastcancerchoices.org for info on the salt

flush/ bromide / iodine.

>

> The fluoroquinolone has a fluoride component and I'm wondering if

> this has displaced my iodine further. So I'm thinking that I might

> need to supplement.

Based on your

loading test level you are still deficient so I would definitely

supplement. You are shooting for 90%

>

> I am hypothyroid and take Armour as well as hydrocortisone for

> secondary adrenal insufficiency.

>

> Since the fluoroquinolone toxicity my thyroid hormones are pooling in

> my blood but body temps are way below normal with hypothyroid

> symptoms but blood pressure and pulse are going high from the thyroid

> hormone pooling.

How do you know

that they are pooling in the blood? Where are your Free T3 & Free T4

numbers in the ranges?

>

> I also did the skin patch test today and it is very light after about

> 4 and 1/2 hours. I know this is controversial and it may mean

> nothing.

You are right

it is not a scientific indication of body saturation levels.

>

> Should I start taking iodine? Also, I do have thyroid nodules as

> well. I really need to figure out how to get my thyroid and adrenal

> hormones into my cells.

With thyroid

nodules you definitely need some iodine. You will also want to make sure

that you have the full spectrum of supporting nutrients. I have listed

them on my website. www.naturalthyroidchoices.com

[Guest guest]

Thank you for all the info.

I also post to the forums over at realthyroidhelp.com . The reason I believe that my hormones are pooling is that my free T3 is above range and free T4 is well within range but I have many many hypo symptoms. Mainly low body temperature, constipation, dry skin etc. The only hyper symptoms are the BPand Pulse.

This could be due to low ferritin, iron, B12, zinc or copper or a combo of them. Also selenium is key in utilizing thyroid hormone as well as iodine. You will need some magnesium too. Make sure you are getting all the supporting nutrients and that your levels are good with ferritin/iron & B12 as they can cause hyper feelings when increasing armour yet feeling hypo in many ways.

Also, I don’t believe that my HC (hydrocortisone) is working properly so my adrenals are not supported sufficiently so thus the pooling of thyroid hormones.

Are you taking enough Vit C to help support your adrenals. They are the largest store of Vit C in the body. Eskimos would eat the adrenals of animals to get Vit C. (BLAH) Also make sure you are getting enough unrefined salt. The sodium is much needed by the adrenals as well as the rest of your body. Sodium is a key component in the NIS (sodium iodine symporters)>

I have lowered my Armour by ½ grain to get my Free T3 down a bit even though I believe I am very hypo still. I’m hoping that by lowering my thyroid meds a bit that my cortisol will be higher in relation so that the thyroid hormone can make it inot the cells. Also, it is known that fluoroquinolone antibiotics are very damaging to the endocrine system. They also damage the receptors on the cells all the way down to the DNA.

Yep that can happen but speaking as someone who has done a lot of damage with RAI (3 times) and fluoridated water in large amounts for many years you can heal them. B2 / B3 are good cofactors to helping this as well. You can check out my website www.naturalthyroidchoices.com under the Thyroid Nutrients section for info on what to take. For some this is the missing peice of the puzzle. It will heal the organification and oxidation process of the utilization of iodine making it into thyroid hormone.

So how is the best way to supplement….with Lugol’s? I did order some sea kelp but now I’m wondering if it’s a reputable brand without metal toxicities. Nature’s Way was the brand I purchased.

You would have to ask them if they test for purity. My guess is no. But they may surprise me. You can take a pill form of Lugol's called Iodoral. It can be purchased in lower dosage amounts from www.breastcancerchoices.org or if you would like the 50 mg pills you will have to purchase it from www.illnessisoptional.com . Look for Optimox as the mfr.

I actually only use sea salt in my cooking for a long time now. Regular salt is so bad so I try to stay away from it when I can.

Is it unrefined sea salt (ie is it gray or pink color) because if it is white then it is probably refined sea salt and just as bad as the other stuff.

I do have celtic sea salt but I have not supplemented with it in water. Perhaps I should but I also don’t want a raise in my BP.

It will not raise your blood pressure. It will help it. Because it has over 80 minerals it works to put the potassium back in the cells that is sucked out buy low sodium levels. Because the potassium gets low this causes the kidneys to try to control it and this raises your blood pressure. I highly recommend Salt Your Way to Health by Dr. Brownstein. Here is a newsletter article that he wrote for the Salt & Grain society http://www.celticseasalt.com/PDF/WNL06e.pdf .

I have also been using fluoride free toothpaste since the fluoroquinolone toxicity happened. It has been 15 months since this happened and I’m still struggling to recover.

Fluoride is difficult to remove. It stores itself in the bones and creates necrosis. That is why dentists are seeing more necrosis of the jaw. We have it in our water, toothpaste, get treatments with it, in our mouthwashes, tea leaves concentrate it and more. It is everywhere!

I am a big believer in natural supplements, vitamins etc. I took a look at your site and I take almost everything you have listed.

Make sure you are getting enough of them all and all of them are pretty much necessary if you are having issues getting thryoid hormones to work. I recently added L-Tyrosine to my mix. I have only done it for 2 days but it is a precursor to thyroid hormones too - among other things.

Actually I am hoping that increasing my inositol will help get the thyroid hormone into the cells too. I’ve read that it can help.

Riboflavin and Vitamin A are perhaps the only ones I might not be taking enough of. I think I get those in some of the supplements that I take already.

The Riboflavin is key to getting the iodine to work well - it is an ATP coFactor. Make sure you get that in. The Vit A is a good hormone balancer.

I have tested low in Vitamin D3 so I am supplementing that and have also increased my B12 (tested low in that in the past) plus magnesium (tested low in that in the past) with mag citrate. All of these things can hinder utilization of thyroid hormone. So the last thing I haven’t tried is iodine.

Yes you want your Vit D up there too 50 - 70 is what they are saying now. I take a 10,000 iu of Vit D per day. I was on B12 shots and it didn't seem to do much but then I switched to the methylated form and it seemed to go better. I have some gut absorption issues after the RAI. Magnesium is important. The problem with oral is that you may not be absorbing much. Many of us here are trying transdermal magnesium. I feel really good since starting it. You can check it out here. http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/ and it can be purchased here: http://www.magneticclay.com/store/

[Guest guest]

Celtic Sea Salt will work to lower high BP and raise low BP. I also lowered my high pulse with it.

in OH

>>>I do have celtic sea salt but I have not supplemented with it in water. Perhaps I should but I also don’t want a raise in my BP.

[Guest guest]

I was hoping you would chime in.

Steph

Re: Question about iodide urine test and thyroid hormone resistance

Celtic Sea Salt will work to lower high BP and raise low BP. I also lowered my high pulse with it.

in OH

>>>I do have celtic sea salt but I have not supplemented with it in water. Perhaps I should but I also don’t want a raise in my BP.

[Guest guest]

It worries me to see

statements like this. For some,

your opinion may be correct. For

others, it is not. If the person

has salt-sensitive hypertension, adding more salt, regardless of the form,

could be deadly. Indeed, for me, it

is.

Val

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Grammy D

Celtic Sea Salt will

work to lower high BP and raise low BP. I also lowered my high pulse with it.

in OH

>>>I do have celtic sea salt but I have not supplemented

with it in water. Perhaps I should but I also don’t want a raise in

my BP.

[Guest guest]

IMO, someone who is truly salt sensitive would know it by the time

they get here. I wondered about using salt as well. I'm speaking from

my own experience, as always. I am not a doctor. Until I tried salt

flushing with the " real unrefined " salt, I thought it would make my

BP rise. I got a very nice surprise. And - that is why we are keeping

track of our BP, pulse and temps in these forums where we self treat.

I think that if someone has a true salt sensitivity, they will know

it and it is just as dangerous to say what you did. If I had read

your statement before I tried it for the first time, I may still be

in misery. My swollen ankle went down soon after starting salt

flushing.

We are all adults and can dedide for ourselves what does and doesn't

work. And until wee try it, we don't know.

(not a doctor)

>

> It worries me to see statements like this. For some, your opinion

may be correct. For others, it is not. If the person has salt-

sensitive hypertension, adding more salt, regardless of the form,

could be deadly. Indeed, for me, it is.

[Guest guest]

There is nothing " dangerous " about caution on the use of salt

with salt-sensitive hypertension.

There is one particular adrenal condition where excess salting can

result in death. It is important

for people to do their own research and make informed decisions before

embarking on any protocol. To salt

flush or not should be based on good information, not emotion.

Val

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of

it is just as dangerous to say what you did.

[Guest guest]

i had very high BP. I needed thyroid, adrenal meds and sex hormones. I never took BP meds or went on the typical low salt diet ick. but I question almost everything allopaths do. It's all toxic disease maintenance.

gracia

IMO, someone who is truly salt sensitive would know it by the time they get here. I wondered about using salt as well. I'm speaking from my own experience, as always. I am not a doctor. Until I tried salt flushing with the "real unrefined" salt, I thought it would make my BP rise. I got a very nice surprise. And - that is why we are keeping track of our BP, pulse and temps in these forums where we self treat. I think that if someone has a true salt sensitivity, they will know it and it is just as dangerous to say what you did. If I had read your statement before I tried it for the first time, I may still be in misery. My swollen ankle went down soon after starting salt flushing. We are all adults and can dedide for ourselves what does and doesn't work. And until wee try it, we don't know. (not a doctor)>> It worries me to see statements like this. For some, your opinion may be correct. For others, it is not. If the person has salt-sensitive hypertension, adding more salt, regardless of the form, could be deadly. Indeed, for me, it is.

[Guest guest]

Is a salt flush the same as 'salt & C' protocol?? Thanks

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I had very high BP. I needed thyroid, adrenal meds and sex hormones. I never took BP meds or went on the typical low salt diet ick. but I question almost everything allopaths do. It's all toxic disease maintenance.

gracia

IMO, someone who is truly salt sensitive would know it by the time they get here. I wondered about using salt as well. I'm speaking from my own experience, as always. I am not a doctor. Until I tried salt flushing with the "real unrefined" salt, I thought it would make my BP rise. I got a very nice surprise. And - that is why we are keeping track of our BP, pulse and temps in these forums where we self treat. I think that if someone has a true salt sensitivity, they will know it and it is just as dangerous to say what you did. If I had read your statement before I tried it for the first time, I may still be in misery. My swollen ankle went down soon after starting salt flushing. We are all adults and can dedide for ourselves what does and doesn't work. And until wee try it, we don't know.

[Guest guest]

What adrenal condition is that?

Thanks,

Irene

At 10:48 AM 12/29/2007, you wrote:

There

is nothing " dangerous " about caution on the use of salt with

salt-sensitive hypertension. There is one particular adrenal

condition where excess salting can result in death. It is important

for people to do their own research and make informed decisions before

embarking on any protocol. To salt flush or not should be based on

good information, not emotion.

Val

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of

it is just as dangerous to say what you did.

[Guest guest]

Primary hyperaldosteronism.

Val

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of irene.m@...

What adrenal condition is that?