Re: Re: Of interest to Michigan residents past and present

[Guest guest]

No Dr. Brownstein does not test for PBB that I know of. He ran a TON of

labs on me as a thyroid cancer patient w/ hashis prior to the cancer. He

did mention to me that he had a hard time becoming saturated in Iodine - was

at 44% after 2 years of 50 mg dosing because he was throwing off so much

bromide. I wonder if he picked it up from the meat in the area. He said he

didn't know where it all came from. He has cleaned up his eating in recent

years and converted to organic / free range but admitted that he used to

frequent the fast foods every lunchtime.

Interesting - where in MI do you live? I am in the grand rapids area.

B.

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> Hmmm. Isn't that interesting. Ever been tested for PBB? Never heard it

> suggested by any doctor, and I live in Michigan. I wonder if Dr.

> Brownstein

> who practices in Michigan tests patients for this.

>

> Bromine is in its middle name, and it may mimick thyroid hormone somehow -

>

> http://www.ehponline.org/docs/1996/104-12/correspondence.html

> " the observation of thyroid abnormalities in animals exposed to PBBs and

> PBB

> oxides supports the hypothesis that exposure to PBBs or other brominated

> compounds is causally related to the hypothyroidism in these men. Perhaps

> the thyroid deficiencies observed in Great Lakes salmon and herring gulls

> are a result of the large-scale contamination of the Michigan environment

> with PBBs in the early 1970s. Furthermore, dairy cattle were thought to be

> suffering from an ailment similar to iodine toxicity early in the PBB

> contamination episode (3). Perhaps the halogenated chemicals have similar

> actions. It has been suggested that the thyroid hormone deficiency may

> result from the similarity in structure of thyroid hormone and the

> biphenyl

> compounds; thus, the production of thyroid hormone is blocked because the

> biphenyls somehow mimic the hormone.

[Guest guest]

I am 58, born in Buffalo. My great grandfather started Larkin company and Lloyd designed Larkin Building for him.

Gracia

Yes, were were neighbors - I was in the Lasalle area of Niagara Falls (near Love Canal), then N. Tonawanda.40How old are you?; )Sharon> really? you grew up near me, I was just outside of Buffalo in Derby. How old are you?> Gracia

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I have friends who graduated from LaSalle HS and a friend whose parents were teachers at LaSalle. My father graduated from there, too!sharflin <sharflin@...> wrote: Yes, were were neighbors - I was in the Lasalle area of Niagara Falls (near Love Canal), then N. Tonawanda.40How old are you?; )Sharon> really? you grew up near me, I was just outside of Buffalo in Derby. How old are you?> Gracia

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I thought maybe you were a thirty-something and were too young to remember.

This event is

unparalleled for mass contamination and the bio-magnifying as it goes up the

food chain makes it

unique. As far as I have heard that it is still the subject of a number of

studies and the CDC,

the FDA and the Cancer institute are still involved. Remember this is

California... there tends

to be hysteria about the environment, but perhaps rightfully so. These type of

things get talked

about.

http://news./s/nm/20060920/bs_nm/environment_autos_dc_11

Yes I have been to lectures that specifically talk about the PBB contamination

as a national

disaster. One was with the city of Los Angeles when there was talk, less than

10 years ago, about

capping the series of small open reservoirs with in the city. It came up in the

talk about mass

contamination. I have contacted my family in Michigan to discuss the issue

after these lectures

and I guess you could say they act surprised it is still being talked about too.

They know about

the incident but nothing about the long term health ramifications of the

exposure.

You do know that Michigan excepts all the trash and toxic material from nearby

Canada for a fee

and dumps it in the landfills don't you? I was in Montreal a couple years ago

and a talk show was

debating whether it was wise to continue this since their water was being

contaminated too from

the practice. The thought was that they would discard the chemicals a little

more carefully. And

yes, we here in Los Angeles have groundwater contaminated by perchlorate (jet

fuel) thanks to

Lockheed .

--- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

> >From: <kennio@...>

>

> >Wow, I thought everyone in Michigan would know about this. I am sorry to

> >be the one to tell you.

>

> I did know about it. I remember. I didn't know that 97% of us tested

> positive for it, and that the levels didn't go down. It's not something we

> think about much, it's not like it's a common topic of conversation here.

> Doctors aren't likely to mention it.

>

> Are you telling me where you are, they talk about it like 3 Mile Island?

>

> Maybe they talk about it more away from here then.

>

> Of course, other areas typically have their own problems. Toxins are by no

> means unique to Michigan.

>

> Skipper

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I've read all that, that's why I questioned it.  Could be organic rapeseed that's not modified maybe???  I'll send an email and ask about it.LinnOn Sep 20, 2006, at 12:50 PM, Z wrote:Canola oil is genetically modified rapeseed oil.  It is the same oil used to put the gloss on magazine covers.  I would run from it like the plague.  It IS high in monounsaturated fats, but then again so is rat poison.  JMHO.   Michigan. 

[Guest guest]

I remember reading about the scrapie in sheep instance.  I'll make sure and post anything I find out from the company.LinnOn Sep 20, 2006, at 3:25 PM, Skipper Beers wrote:>From: Linn <linnmillerentouchonline (DOT) net>>I've read all that, that's why I questioned it. Could be organic rapeseed >that's not modified maybe??? I'll send an email and ask about it.Sometimes it amazes me what they think we should eat. Anyways, is this is correct your children are getting it if they eat most peanut butter -http://www.karinya.com/canola.htmIn addition, a recent report from the EPA (1998) states that they have classified canola oil as a biopesticide which ..."has low chronic toxicities". Further, they say that no studies have been done regarding toxic effects on Humans. The fact that they state that it is a pesticide and that there have been no studies, plus the fact it is a GM food, says to us it is something to stay away from! It is like so many other things "they" say are good for us like fluoride, canola oil and fluoride both accumulate and build up in the Human systems.. 

[Guest guest]

I haven't used her products on myself, I have used them on my horses, and I am currently putting two more horses on her protocol. I will be happy to report how they are doing. They both have low basal temps (97.1 to 97.4 for one, and 97.5 to 98.1 for the other, "normal" for a horse is 99-101). Symptoms are loss of muscle tone, bloated abdomen, depression, stiffness, intermittent lameness, and poor hoof condition/growth, and recurrent rain rot (a skin fungus that appears during wet or humid weather).

I have spoken to her briefly about my own symptoms, and I am considering speaking to her about them and what her protocol would be. I do know that she likes to do a gall bladder flush, which calls for a grapefruit juice fast for a day, and I'm not sure that I can go that long without a meat protein due to my adrenal status. So I have hesitated, although she assures me I will be fine. I have a bit too much on my plate right now to start upsetting the apple cart with my own health (i.e., dealing with my horse issues, the kids, selling our house, buying a new one.....), so that will have to wait a bit unti lthings settle down, but I am seriously considering trying it. She does have a wealth of information on her website, and the things she told me, about my horses that are due to environmental conditions, are also the same things that are affecting me and my daughter, so I don't think its coincidence.

Specifically on Canola, I'm trying to remember. Canola oil is used for weight loss, there is something in it called DIM that only Canola has, that is anti-inflammatory. This extra abdominal weight that we carry around, Linsey calls "toxic bloat". It is where our bodies are storing the dioxins and other toxins, in a "safe place" where it will not be metabolized and further poison us.

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Have you used Linsey's products before? You posted her site before and I had browsed through and was interested. One question I had was that she recommends organic canola oil and this is another area where I find conflicting info, most everything I find says not to use canola. Any advice would be appreciated.

[Guest guest]

Here is more, I just found she had written, on "toxic bloat" (a/k/a mucin):

"Toxic bloat is a false fat, composed of inflammatory responses by the body, to toxic substances that have entered the body through air, water, food or skin exposure. It is composed of mucopolysaccharides, sugar and proteins, which attract water to them. If the body cannot eliminate or break down the toxin into something that is non toxic to the body, it makes a final attempt, in self preservation, to dilute the toxin and store it away from active metabolism, in certain areas of the body most suitable for that. It is not coincidence that those areas of storage depots of toxins and toxic bloat are the same for four legged animals as they are for us two legged animals. Those areas are: the belly, under the arms, around shoulders/withers, and over the hips. It is also no coincidence that these areas are also "downwind" drainage areas from major lymph nodes too. This toxic bloat was first named "mucin" back in 1789, when Empress Theresa took power in Austria. She issued an edict to have all deaths in the country have a government performed autopsy to find out why there were so many suicides, obesity cases and what we now know to be diabetes and autoimmune diseases, along with described clinical depression, and behavior problems. Of course, at that time, many of these health compromises were attributed to "possession by evil spirits", historically speaking. We now know differently. Environmental chemicals have profound effects on the amygdala of the brain, where emotions are created, most notably anxiety, fear, love, aggression, hate etc. Can you see how the generalized emotions of society have changed for the worse over the decades, as the environmental toxins have risen in the environment? The mathematical correlations are directly proportional. These toxins also compromise the frontal lobes of the brain where creative thinking occurs, reading comprehension, thinking "out of the box", objective thinking as opposed to subjective thinking, and especially being able to put one's self in another's shoes...instead of thinking, with blinders on, from the perspective of the emotional self exclusively. This is why we have so many problems with learning disabilities. The epidemic of autism statistics today is a good example.What Theresa found so long ago, is what we are seeing today....the bulk of the people affected then were from the plateau and low lying areas of Austria, where the smoke of the soft coal they burned, contaminated with mercury, flourine and hydrocarbons, went up and hit the colder air to cause precipitation of those contaminants down into the drinking waters of the people below, and the contamination of their gardens too. Burning produces high levels of dioxins in smoke...of which I am suffering from today, as a result of the forrest fire here. Dioxins, flourine and mercury all compromise the thyroid, and cause bloating and swelling bodywide, with huge immune responses leading to autoimmune disease if severe enough.Toxic bloat is actually what we are calling "fat" these days, in more cases than true fat. It cannot be dieted or starved off the body, nor can it be utilized as an energy source like true fat. It cannot be exercised off. The inflammation it causes in the body at the cell level, stifles the access of the cells to sugar and energy, then causing the body to be hungry all the time, driving the seeking behavior for sugars and carbs. The body is truly starving but cannot access what the body is eating, so the continuing hunger drives the body to eat even more...and on and on...The only way to address it is to first: eliminate all the sources of additional toxins you can. Second: support compromised biochemical functions in the body, particularly basal metabolism with supplements, proper protein and low carbs. Third: After these are complete and in place, address parasites that have come in through the open immune doors to the body. Fourth: Detox the offending toxins properly. Use specific natural items or methods like sauna, that will facilitate the removal of different classes of toxins without harming the body. That is the foundation of my protocols for humans and animals, that have proven so successful in addressing these syndromes that are plaguing society today. These syndromes are not able to be successfully resolved by conventional medicine, that refuses to see or address the obvious....the cause, of the cause, of the cause."

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Specifically on Canola, I'm trying to remember. Canola oil is used for weight loss, there is something in it called DIM that only Canola has, that is anti-inflammatory. This extra abdominal weight that we carry around, Linsey calls "toxic bloat". It is where our bodies are storing the dioxins and other toxins, in a "safe place" where it will not be metabolized and further poison us.

[Guest guest]

>From: <kennio@...>

>

>I thought maybe you were a thirty-something and were too young to remember.

47. But, I know no one who got sick. We heard about it in the news, but

never saw any damage from it, and it was too late anyway.

It's talked about in the same way PCBs are. We know they're here. We see

the warnings about were they are in the fishing guides.

There's not much talk in this state about that event that happened way back

in 1973. California seems much more up to date on it. I never heard of any

long term consequences, assumed they probably only applied to people who got

sick from it.

And from reading about it now, you're eliminating red meat wasn't that

helpful, as it contaminated all kinds of feed.

>You do know that Michigan excepts all the trash and toxic material from

>nearby Canada for a fee

>and dumps it in the landfills don't you?

And that concerns you in California too? : )

Do we still? I keep hearing that debate. I thought we were going to stop.

Do you know the west is all contaminated from that atomic testing they were

so proud to announce in the 1950s. I bet California is contaminated all

over with nuclear dust : ) If not don't they make depleted uranium over

there where it would get into the food supply?

Skipper

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[Guest guest]

Hey, my hair analysis shows high barium and uranium. I have not had exposure to

either. I was in

management at Nickelodeon for years and supervised 10 people, 5 of them were

from Michigan. I was

in Paris a couple months ago and asked someone for directions... he turned out

to be a business

man from Michigan. I run into people from the Detroit area everywhere, not to

mention my family

still living there... so I keep tabs. I am flying there friday as a matter of

fact.

--- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

> >From: <kennio@...>

> >

> >I thought maybe you were a thirty-something and were too young to remember.

>

> 47. But, I know no one who got sick. We heard about it in the news, but

> never saw any damage from it, and it was too late anyway.

>

> It's talked about in the same way PCBs are. We know they're here. We see

> the warnings about were they are in the fishing guides.

>

> There's not much talk in this state about that event that happened way back

> in 1973. California seems much more up to date on it. I never heard of any

> long term consequences, assumed they probably only applied to people who got

> sick from it.

>

> And from reading about it now, you're eliminating red meat wasn't that

> helpful, as it contaminated all kinds of feed.

>

>

> >You do know that Michigan excepts all the trash and toxic material from

> >nearby Canada for a fee

> >and dumps it in the landfills don't you?

>

> And that concerns you in California too? : )

>

> Do we still? I keep hearing that debate. I thought we were going to stop.

> Do you know the west is all contaminated from that atomic testing they were

> so proud to announce in the 1950s. I bet California is contaminated all

> over with nuclear dust : ) If not don't they make depleted uranium over

> there where it would get into the food supply?

>

> Skipper

>

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