Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 so that's why the retarded hypothyroid people that I take care of are not allowed treatment? Must be that Wollff (sic) article is gospel. Gracia Wow look at this! The baby's thyroid begins to function after ten to twelve weeks of pregnancy. Thyroid hormones are important for development of the fetal nervous system and these are probably derived from both the baby's thyroid gland secretion as well as small amounts of the mother's thyroid hormone that cross the placenta. Iodine in the mother's diet readily crosses the placenta and is used by the fetal thyroid gland to make thyroid hormone. Iodine deficiency can cause newborn hypothyroidism or mental retardation (cretinism) and is a major world health problem in underdeveloped countries. Since there is an overabundance of iodine in the American diet, disorders caused by a lack of dietary iodine do not occur here. http://www.thyroid.ca/Articles/EngE11A.html Boy are they clueless! StephMy Auctions: http://stores.ebay.com/Ladybugsandbees-Bargain-Bin?refid=storewww.stopthethyroidmadness.com We become silent - The last days of health freedomWATCH IT: http://tinyurl.com/g65on No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/336 - Release Date: 5/10/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/336 - Release Date: 5/10/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Gracia - Just wanting to ask what you mean by the comment here that you made? People you help who are mentally challenged (I prefer people first language rather than how you phrased it) aren't allowed to get thyroid medication?? > > > so that's why the retarded hypothyroid people that I take care of are not allowed treatment? Must be that Wollff (sic) article is gospel. > Gracia > > Wow look at this! > > The baby's thyroid begins to function after ten to twelve weeks of pregnancy. Thyroid hormones are important for development of the fetal nervous system and these are probably derived from both the baby's thyroid gland secretion as well as small amounts of the mother's thyroid hormone that cross the placenta. Iodine in the mother's diet readily crosses the placenta and is used by the fetal thyroid gland to make thyroid hormone. Iodine deficiency can cause newborn hypothyroidism or mental retardation (cretinism) and is a major world health problem in underdeveloped countries. Since there is an overabundance of iodine in the American diet, disorders caused by a lack of dietary iodine do not occur here. > > http://www.thyroid.ca/Articles/EngE11A.html > > Boy are they clueless! > > > Steph > My Auctions: http://stores.ebay.com/Ladybugsandbees-Bargain-Bin? refid=store > www.stopthethyroidmadness.com > We become silent - The last days of health freedom > WATCH IT: http://tinyurl.com/g65on > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 I am used to writing fast and trying to convey the salient points succinctly! I work with profoundly mentally retarded adults, most are non-verbal and some in diapers. Those of us who work with them use the term retarded, no disrespect meant, but they are beyond mentally challenged. The thing is, all of their symptoms scream hypothyroid, and now I know, low iodine. I am sure they could be much higher functioning with proper treatment, they just don't get it. It's beyond belief, horrible. It tells me how completely ignorant docs are, more like glorified drug reps. A few have all the symptoms of congenital hypothyroidism, untreated. I have even written letters to their doc and families!!! Nothing happens. Gracia Gracia - Just wanting to ask what you mean by the comment here that you made? People you help who are mentally challenged (I prefer people first language rather than how you phrased it) aren't allowed to get thyroid medication?? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: 5/12/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Hi! That is horrible that they won't give them medication. It is written everywhere that hypothyroid can cause brain damage. That makes me so mad. My son who is 5 (and has Down syndrome) gets his thyroid checked every year (and the doctors say it is important). What is wrong with those people not helping them? Stuff like that drives me crazy!! Anyway, I don't mind the term retarded when used correctly at all (I mean not as slang to mean stupid - not what you wrote). When I first glanced at what you said I thought you were somebody being ugly because of how it was written, but then I read it over and over and decided you were saying they weren't getting their medication. What I was saying was " man who is mentally retarded " is people first language. I understand you were typing fast - I just wanted to explain what I meant so I didn't come across as ornery. I was just trying to understand your post. - In iodine , " Gracia " <circe@...> wrote: > > > I am used to writing fast and trying to convey the salient points succinctly! I work with profoundly mentally retarded adults, most are non-verbal and some in diapers. Those of us who work with them use the term retarded, no disrespect meant, but they are beyond mentally challenged. The thing is, all of their symptoms scream hypothyroid, and now I know, low iodine. I am sure they could be much higher functioning with proper treatment, they just don't get it. It's beyond belief, horrible. It tells me how completely ignorant docs are, more like glorified drug reps. A few have all the symptoms of congenital hypothyroidism, untreated. I have even written letters to their doc and families!!! Nothing happens. > Gracia > > > Gracia - Just wanting to ask what you mean by the comment here that > you made? People you help who are mentally challenged (I prefer > people first language rather than how you phrased it) aren't allowed > to get thyroid medication?? > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: 5/12/2006 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 the two I am thinking of specifically and have advocated for, are Dxed Down Syndrome. Is your son on thyroid meds? Two biggests probs are TSH test and $inthroid. Is your son getting proper treament? There is no one sweeter than a Down syndrome person. IMO "getting thyroid checked" means very little. GraciaHi! That is horrible that they won't give them medication. It is written everywhere that hypothyroid can cause brain damage. That makes me so mad. My son who is 5 (and has Down syndrome) gets his thyroid checked every year (and the doctors say it is important). What is wrong with those people not helping them? Stuff like that drives me crazy!!Anyway, I don't mind the term retarded when used correctly at all (I mean not as slang to mean stupid - not what you wrote). When I first glanced at what you said I thought you were somebody being ugly because of how it was written, but then I read it over and over and decided you were saying they weren't getting their medication. What I was saying was "man who is mentally retarded" is people first language. I understand you were typing fast - I just wanted to explain what I meant so I didn't come across as ornery. I was just trying to understand your post. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 5/14/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 > From: " " sandrapd2002@... >Gracia - Just wanting to ask what you mean by the comment here that >you made? People you help who are mentally challenged (I prefer >people first language rather than how you phrased it) aren't allowed >to get thyroid medication?? Some doctors only believe in TSH. If the TSH is normal, that means one couldn't possibly have a thyroid problem. Yet, people with thyroid symptoms frequently get better with thyroid treatment in spite of lab tests saying they are normal. Most doctors don't understand that what the lab calls the reference or normal range is where 95.5% of the population fit. Therefore for this or any other condition, only 4.5% are abnormal, and only 2.25% could be hypothyroid if it's defined as someone above the normal range. (Many doctors do for practical purposes.) Also, in spite of this and the fact that average median TSH in healthy people is 1.5, some doctors won't treat children until the TSH is above 10. I guess I'm saying doctors tend to be morons. If not would 20% of our GDP be spent on medical care? The theory in the USA is that no one is any longer iodine deficient. When my wife was pregnant, the doctor told her to reduce salt intake. How was he expecting the iodine to be replaced? Doesn't he know we live in the goiter belt, and that's why they iodized salt in the first place? Public health isn't as concerned about health as it is about making sure that a segment of the economy that comprises 20% of our GDP keep raking in money. Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Hi! That is so sad that they aren't helping them with meds. People with Down syndrome are at increased risk (as you probably already know). So far my son hasn't been having any problems. His tests have been fine (of course I now know that really doesn't mean anything), but he doesn't show any signs of hypo that I am aware. I know he is at a greater risk with the Down syndrome and the fact that I developed thyroid problems not long after having him. He is full of energy and not overweight. Is there anything else I should watch out for? He is not verbal yet (does sign language) so I can't ask him specific questions. He goes to get his bloodwork done next week so if there is anything I should ask the doctor please tell me. This is his genetic specialist. Thanks! > > > the two I am thinking of specifically and have advocated for, are Dxed Down Syndrome. Is your son on thyroid meds? Two biggests probs are TSH test and $inthroid. Is your son getting proper treament? There is no one sweeter than a Down syndrome person. IMO " getting thyroid checked " means very little. > Gracia > > Hi! That is horrible that they won't give them medication. It is > written everywhere that hypothyroid can cause brain damage. That > makes me so mad. My son who is 5 (and has Down syndrome) gets his > thyroid checked every year (and the doctors say it is important). > What is wrong with those people not helping them? Stuff like that > drives me crazy!! > > Anyway, I don't mind the term retarded when used correctly at all (I > mean not as slang to mean stupid - not what you wrote). When I > first glanced at what you said I thought you were somebody being > ugly because of how it was written, but then I read it over and over > and decided you were saying they weren't getting their medication. > > What I was saying was " man who is mentally retarded " is people first > language. I understand you were typing fast - I just wanted to > explain what I meant so I didn't come across as ornery. I was just > trying to understand your post. > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 5/14/2006 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 one of the best ways to tell the true thyroid status is by taking a basal temp. Below 98.2 he is hypo. -- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Thanks Skipper! I am going to do the temperature test in a few days (he felt like he had a low grade fever last night so I thought I would wait to make sure I didn't get messed up results). They say that my son has speech apraxia (which is exactly how it is described in what you said - brain and mouth not connecting). A lot of children with Down syndrome are diagnosed with this. What if they all have undiagnosed hypothyroid instead of speech apraxia or what if speech apraxia is really just caused by hypothyroid??? He does try to talk but has trouble forming consonants. Like he said " bye bye " this morning but it was " mye mye " instead. He tries but can't say the " b " sound. And he eats like a pig! :-) I will check him soon though and let everybody know the results. I am so glad I found this site! > > > > > > From: " " sandrapd2002@... > > Hi! That is so sad that they aren't helping them with meds. People > >with Down syndrome are at increased risk (as you probably already > >know). > > > >So far my son hasn't been having any problems. His tests have been > >fine (of course I now know that really doesn't mean anything), but > >he doesn't show any signs of hypo that I am aware. I know he is at > >a greater risk with the Down syndrome and the fact that I developed > >thyroid problems not long after having him. He is full of energy > >and not overweight. Is there anything else I should watch out for? > > The thing about hypothyroidism is that if one listed all the symptoms it > could cause, it would be almost everything. > > It causes increased weight. > > But it also causes anorexia and underweight. > > It depends a lot on the person. > > It's the energy center of your body, so whatever happens depends on how you > are affected by low energy. > > Some hypos will have a nervous energy because their adrenaline compensates > for their low thyroid. Not a healthy or comfortable state, but the way it > is. > > In children, it frequently causes lack of appetite, and a slow down in > growth. > > Alford called a low body temp the one universal sign of > hypothyroidism, but most doctors don't believe it. Yet they know they > hypothalamus through the thyroid is responsible for regulating body > temperature, and they know all the bad things hypothermia can cause. > > He doesn't speak? One German article I read said dysarthria > (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dysarthria " Difficulty in > articulating words, caused by impairment of the muscles used in speech. " ) is > almost definitive for hypothyroidism. > > I suspect the hypothyroidism is why I needed speech class in elementary, > it's hard for some to talk while hypothyroid. Sometimes it's like the brain > and tongue can't connect to each other. Sometimes you simply feel stupid. > > This isn't as good as the German article, but how about this from Pubmed - > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=11172218 & dopt=Abstract > " Dysarthria may be the leading symptom of hypothyroidism and can be promptly > resolved after hormone substitution. " > > Interesting that article doesn't even mention TSH. > > It could be his thyroid levels aren't letting his brain connect to the > speech muscles, and I certainly know that feeling well. Sounds like Gracia > has been there too. > > Skipper > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp? cid=3963 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 > From: " " sandrapd2002@... >Thanks Skipper! I am going to do the temperature test in a few days >(he felt like he had a low grade fever last night so I thought I >would wait to make sure I didn't get messed up results). They say >that my son has speech apraxia (which is exactly how it is described >in what you said - brain and mouth not connecting). A lot of >children with Down syndrome are diagnosed with this. What if they >all have undiagnosed hypothyroid instead of speech apraxia or what >if speech apraxia is really just caused by hypothyroid??? You know Dr. Derry wrote " Breast Cancer and Iodine. " One chapter on that was about the thyroid. Anyways, he said that one time he had an asthma patient that he put on Armour Thyroid. (His treatment was aggressive, unless there were hints of a heart problem he started people on 3 grains, which is what the Merck Manual I have from 1940 suggests and he's from the old schools.) That patient he put on Armour was cured of the asthma. After that, he recalled all of his asthma patients and put them on Armour. None of them ever needed breathing treatments again. I've heard of patients asthma being cured in a couple cases on the Internet with thyroid treatment, it happened with my wife so I've had the experience of actually seeing it. Is there any profit in the drug companies testing the hypothesis that a large percentage of asthma patients are actually untreated or under treated hypothyroids? Probably not, asthma is a big revenue generator for doctors, hospitals, pharmacies, and drug companies. The same may be true of Down's Syndrome, even though I would like to think they are a little more compassionate than that. After all, they put iodine in salt to prevent cretinism (which is similar to a degree.) Of course, that was before the drug companies became so powerful, I think. But, aren't there similarities in appearance between the two? On one group, a boy who had Auditory Processing Disorder as well as asthma went on ARmour and got better on both counts. Another woman had a terribly autistic child. It took her years to get a diagnosis of hypothyroidism (which required a TRH test, as opposed to a TSH test to prove it) and afterward she wondered if all autism was hypothyroidism. Armour Thyroid is the greatest therpeutic agent ever created in my opinion. It can be a miracle cure for a myriad of conditions that are caused by hypothyroidism. Does that mean that everyone with asthma has a thyroid problem? Probably not. Does it mean 80% of them have thyroid problems? We'll never know because there'll probably never be a study done, and if it was they'd try to use Synthroid instead of Armour. (Kind of like the studies where they give people 100 mg of Vitamin C and say it doesn't help much with colds. The supporters of Vitamin C say that if you give it to bowel tolerance, which usually takes a few thousand mg an hour as the tolerance increases when sick, that it can help one get over a cold much faster, and also can cure mono and other problems. I know I used to get long lingering respiratory infections for months every winter. Once, when I had one so bad that I went to see the doctor and he told me to come back the next day to make sure I was OK, I started taking a handful of Vitamin C every hour. The next day, I was able to cancel the appointment as I was better. And I haven't had a respiratory infection for more than a day since, because I know how to treat them now.) Does everyone with autism have a thyroid problem? Probably not, but in at least one case that was the main problem. (Allegedly, if given Vitamin C around the time of vaccinations, children are much less to get compromised immnue systems which means less likely to get autism. Why they put mercury in shots, an element known to be one of the most toxic on earth, is a mystery to me.) In cases like yours, it's probably important to try to find a doctor who will be willing to carefully treat with Armour Thyroid. The medication is not a bit dangerous when used properly, even though doctors seem to be afraid of it, at least the ones trained by the drug companies, it smacks too much of natural substance. You need to find a doctor who isn't just going to placate you by putting him on a small dose of Armour (the Synthroid literature says underdosing can cause or worsen symptoms, so for those doctors who humor patients who think they are hypo by giving them small doses, they are making the symptoms worse in some cases.) I recommend Armour. You need a doctor who knows how to use Synthroid, Armour, and T3 products. Synthroid might work, I won't deny that and some people do better on it, but if you have the most common type of doctor, the one who only knows how to use Synthroid, if Armour would be better they won't prescribe it, and don't know how to. Derry who I talked about ealier, who found Armour cured asthma, would also have his patients take 1 drop of Lugol's Iodine Solution daily. So, it could be it worked so well for him because of the aRmour plus the iodine. Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 absolutely. Hypothyroidism causes a "respiratory defect" at the cellular level. I always thought cretinism was the older term for Down Syndrome. Cretinism is directly linked to iodine deficiency---Down syndrome is well, a syndrome. No need to treat a syndrome I guess. Gracia You know Dr. Derry wrote "Breast Cancer and Iodine." One chapter on that was about the thyroid. Anyways, he said that one time he had an asthma patient that he put on Armour Thyroid. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 5/15/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 I have never heard of cretinism. I will have to look this up. Down syndrome is caused by an extra chromosome. But of course, who knows what causes that to happen, you know? There are guesses, but that is about it. > > > absolutely. Hypothyroidism causes a " respiratory defect " at the cellular level. > I always thought cretinism was the older term for Down Syndrome. Cretinism is directly linked to iodine deficiency---Down syndrome is well, a syndrome. No need to treat a syndrome I guess. > Gracia > > You know Dr. Derry wrote " Breast Cancer and Iodine. " One chapter on that > was about the thyroid. Anyways, he said that one time he had an asthma > patient that he put on Armour Thyroid. > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 5/15/2006 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 > From: " Gracia " circe@... > absolutely. Hypothyroidism causes a " respiratory defect " at the >cellular level. > I always thought cretinism was the older term for Down Syndrome. >Cretinism is directly linked to iodine deficiency---Down syndrome is well, >a syndrome. No need to treat a syndrome I guess. Sad if true and it's so preventable. Since many know that no one in America could possibly be deficient in iodine, why would a doctor even consider the alternative diagnosis? Also, even if iodine was adequate, the symptoms of cretinsim were ultimately caused because without iodine they effectively had low thyroid. So, hypothyroidism can cause the same symptoms. We live in the goiter belt and no one tells us to be sure to eat salt. Doctors here are as likely to tell you to lower intake as anywhere else. I realized my wife used Lawry's Seasoning Salt for several years. I didn't think much of it, but that could have caused some of our thyroid problems. After all, it made the food taste salty but it isn't iodized. ON top of that, there's fluoridated water, supposed high fluoride content in cereal, one of my children started acting hypothyroid after his orthodontist started him on a fluoride rinse. We put him on thyroid medication, he doesn't appear to need it any more, so I'm pretty sure my most severely hypothyroid child was eating way too much cereal with a high fluoride content while not getting enough iodine, and the other was only temporarily affected because of the fluoridated rinse he was using while he had braces. Yes, most doctors today would be unlikely to uncover a case of iodine deficiency. They have a hard enough time recognizing hypothyroidism (or at least believing they are supposed to diagnose and only consider the lab results, not think they are of Biblical authority. I talked to the president of my local lab, he said " the labs are not a well / sick cutoff, they are only the reference ranges where 95.5% of the population falls. It's the doctors job to diagnose. " Incidentally, many of those diagnosing by TSH don't know that the TSH line is skewed and whereas the range may be .5 - 5.5, the median TSH (the halfway point) when excluding those with thyroid problems is 1.5. Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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