Re: MPV was: self treating

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I have heard about a book that talks about treating MPV with magnesium.

If I remember what it was I'll post it.

Irene

At 06:37 AM 2/7/2007, you wrote:

I have a mild MVP which gets so

much better the doc can't even detect it when I consume enough Potassium

and Magnesium. Try to feed him more milk, mashed potatos, bananas,

etc. You might even want to consider having him soak his feet in

Epsom Salts now and then.

-Lana

my DH also; he has lost faith in the

medical system, totally, which is unfortunate, because he is in constant

pain - I really believe he is having major problems with his MVP (his

brother had to have surgery for a leaking valve - he almost died) and he

won't go to the doctor. I am so worried about him.

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>From: Irene.M@...

>I have heard about a book that talks about treating MPV with magnesium. If

>I remember what it was I'll post it.

>Irene

Magnesium is extremely important.

My wife was diagnosed with MVP by ultrasound by a cardiologist. A couple

years later, she went on thyroid hormone. The next time she went to a

cardiologist, she was on large doses of thyroid hormone. He said it sounded

like she had a mild heart murmer, not MVP.

Around that time, her blood level of magnesium was taken. The range is 1.7

- 2.4. Her level was 1.8, so it was quite near the bottom of the range.

She went on magnesium and that helped her even more. In my opinion, she

still doesn't take enough of it.

She has a tendency toward high cortisol levels. Cortisol pushes out

magnesium. On the blood test, my magnesium level was 2.3, which is right

near the top. Some sources say those with low cortisol have too much

magnesium. I tend to agree with that, and it explains why I don't feel

well when I supplement magnesium.

If I had a child with heart troubles, I would probably look at the test that

suggests to see how deficient he is. Not only would that tell the

defiency, but talked about the trouble he had getting up his levels of

magnesium, which he wouldn't have know without the testing.

It is important to know the magnesium status, in part because of its

relationship to cortisol. If a child has low cortisol, simply taking

magnesium could cause problems.

Furthermore, if he has low thyroid it could be causing cardiac problems.

Low thyroid is one of the worst things there is for your heart. What does

low thyroid cause? Frequently it causes low cortisol.

So thyroid status, and magnesium sufficiency are both important concepts.

So is adrenal status, but that's harder to test. Even though some say the

saliva tests work well and would be worth looking at, while adjusting for

age.

I think there's also some information in the archives about the importance

of iodine to the heart.

Skipper

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>

>At 06:37 AM 2/7/2007, you wrote:

>

>>I have a mild MVP which gets so much better the doc can't even detect it

>>when I consume enough Potassium and Magnesium. Try to feed him more milk,

>>mashed potatos, bananas, etc. You might even want to consider having him

>>soak his feet in Epsom Salts now and then.

>>

>>-Lana

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>my DH also; he has lost faith in the medical system, totally, which is

>>unfortunate, because he is in constant pain - I really believe he is

>>having major problems with his MVP (his brother had to have surgery for a

>>leaking valve - he almost died) and he won't go to the doctor. I am so

>>worried about him.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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Skipper - could you point me to the posts in which references the

magnesium deficiency tests?

I have a family member with MVP & probable thyroid issues (TSH of over

3+ with many hypo symptoms/diagnosed fibromyalgia) & plenty of

stress/likely adrenal issues (don't have adrenal test info yet though).

I think magnesium may be one of several issues that they need to

address.

Thanks,

> If I had a child with heart troubles, I would probably look at the

test that suggests to see how deficient he is. Not only would

that tell the defiency, but talked about the trouble he had

getting up his levels of magnesium, which he wouldn't have know without

the testing.

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>From: " jtb14789 " <jtb14789@...>

>Skipper - could you point me to the posts in which references the

>magnesium deficiency tests?

Here's the reference he gave in one post for the test which is called RBC -

http://www.directlabs.com/testtypes.php#MRBC

Magnesium, RBC DLS Price $69

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One can measure intercellular magnesium (in the serum), and find out how

much Mg or any other vitamin/mineral is in circulation. This does not

necessarily correlate with how much is in the actual cell/tissue. When

measuring Mg in the RBC, you are measuring intracellular Mg, how much is in

the cell and functioning.

***********************************

He has a lot of good information on magnesium.

You can go here to search the archives -

iodine/msearch?query=

magnesium+and+RBC & submit=Search & charset=UTF-8

If that's too long, tiny url is http://tinyurl.com/2khus7

In search, you can click on advanced search and type in author as "

kennio " and see what he's posted. You can also put magnesium in the

subject line and see all he's posted on magnesium.

is right about the importance of mag, my only disagreement is I think

in some people with low cortisol it has bad effects.

For those with low magnesium, getting mag sufficient is like a miracle cure.

Don't forget iodine also very important for the heart and the rhythm.

Be sure to read about 's difficulties in getting mag sufficient, as I

think he even had to receive injections to raise his levels.

Skipper

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Wow, this post just gave me an AHA moment. When my son was 2 weeks old, the

pediatrician (who scared the crap out of me and I want to kill because of

it), told me that he had a severe heart murmur, and one that sounded like

this, at this early age, is usually not a good sign.

I was severely hypo at the time, fat, depressed, anxiety, etc., etc., and on

synthroid. He went to a pediatric cardiologist, who said that his heart was

fine, he just had a floppy valve that sounded like a guitar string, and he

would grow out of it.

My son is now 5 1/2 years old, and on 1/2 grain Armour (had a TSH of 3.99,

Free T4 of 1.1, range .9 - 1.9). I'm goign to look into supplementing

magnesium for him now. Perhaps this will calm him down as well, he's a very

kinetic child, and I'm sure one of the teachers is going to suggest ADHD

within the next school year or so.

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>

> If I had a child with heart troubles, I would probably look at the test

> that

> suggests to see how deficient he is. Not only would that tell the

> defiency, but talked about the trouble he had getting up his levels

> of

> magnesium, which he wouldn't have know without the testing.

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>From: " Ives " <mmives@...>

>My son is now 5 1/2 years old, and on 1/2 grain Armour (had a TSH of 3.99,

>Free T4 of 1.1, range .9 - 1.9). I'm goign to look into supplementing

>magnesium for him now. Perhaps this will calm him down as well, he's a

>very

>kinetic child, and I'm sure one of the teachers is going to suggest ADHD

>within the next school year or so.

In some states parents are afraid to not follow the ADD treatment

recommendations made by teachers. The medicine is not good for the kids.

30 years ago the problems were with mind altering ILLEGAL drugs, and they

should all still be illegal. Just because doctors can make a profit on

them, don't mean they should be used.

Magnesium has been used for ADD successfully, as has Cod Liver Oil. Iodine

can also have a calming effect.

Skipper

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do you give him any fish oils? Dawson has done better since adding some Nordic Natural's DHA Children's. He takes 4 / day. It mellowed him out and made him more "even".\

I am waiting on his labs for thyroid, iron/ferritin/ anemia profile and CBC. We go to Dr. B on 2/28.

Re: MPV was: self treating

Wow, this post just gave me an AHA moment. When my son was 2 weeks old, the pediatrician (who scared the crap out of me and I want to kill because of it), told me that he had a severe heart murmur, and one that sounded like this, at this early age, is usually not a good sign.I was severely hypo at the time, fat, depressed, anxiety, etc., etc., and on synthroid. He went to a pediatric cardiologist, who said that his heart was fine, he just had a floppy valve that sounded like a guitar string, and he would grow out of it.My son is now 5 1/2 years old, and on 1/2 grain Armour (had a TSH of 3.99, Free T4 of 1.1, range .9 - 1.9). I'm goign to look into supplementing magnesium for him now. Perhaps this will calm him down as well, he's a very kinetic child, and I'm sure one of the teachers is going to suggest ADHD within the next school year or so.Best,http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.comBlog ~ http://shellyct.blogspot.com/~One can always be kind to people about whom one cares nothing.~-- Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891>> If I had a child with heart troubles, I would probably look at the test > that> suggests to see how deficient he is. Not only would that tell the> defiency, but talked about the trouble he had getting up his levels > of> magnesium, which he wouldn't have know without the testing.

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Yes, I have in the past, and it hasn't helped much. I need to get these kids back onto their vitamins. They really hate them, and its so easy to let it slide. He also has extremely dry "chicken skin", has since birth, so I've always pushed the EFA's for him. It doesn't seem to help his, ummmm, "temperament" at all.

I'll be very interested to hear how your kids visit with Dr. B goes.

Best,http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.comBlog ~ http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

~One can always be kind to people about whom one cares nothing.~ -- Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891

do you give him any fish oils? Dawson has done better since adding some Nordic Natural's DHA Children's. He takes 4 / day. It mellowed him out and made him more "even".\

I am waiting on his labs for thyroid, iron/ferritin/ anemia profile and CBC. We go to Dr. B on 2/28.

[Guest guest]

Interesting. I was listening to Udo's CD on oils and he talks of those skin issues. I am curious what Dr. B will do for them too. I think their hair tests are back because I got a bill from CHM for them. Their labs should be in by next week too. But I have another 20 days to wait until we go. The suspense is killing me. We already do detoxified iodine for them both. I do the DHA oils for my son and sneak the Flax oil into their "shakes" at night with some Metagenics Kid's shake powder full of amino acids. It has been hard to get them to eat what they should lately. My son barely eats anything. I am worried about him. He says his stomach hurts all the time and I don't know if he is doing it to get out of things or not.

Re: MPV was: self treating

Yes, I have in the past, and it hasn't helped much. I need to get these kids back onto their vitamins. They really hate them, and its so easy to let it slide. He also has extremely dry "chicken skin", has since birth, so I've always pushed the EFA's for him. It doesn't seem to help his, ummmm, "temperament" at all.

I'll be very interested to hear how your kids visit with Dr. B goes.

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>From: " ladybugsandbees " <ladybugsandbees@...>

>Interesting. I was listening to Udo's CD on oils and he talks of those

>skin issues. I am curious what Dr. B will do for them too. I think their

>hair tests are back because I got a bill from CHM for them. Their labs

>should be in by next week too. But I have another 20 days to wait until we

>go. The suspense is killing me. We already do detoxified iodine for them

>both. I do the DHA oils for my son and sneak the Flax oil into their

> " shakes " at night with some Metagenics Kid's shake powder full of amino

>acids. It has been hard to get them to eat what they should lately. My

>son barely eats anything. I am worried about him.

Not eating can be a thyroid problem. I don't recall if Dr. B. him on Armour

or not? My son would barely eat for 3 years (age 7 to 10), after not being

able to find a solution we finally figured it out and put him on Armour

Thyroid at 3 grains. Shortly after that he started eating and growing

again.

Key indications of hypothyroidism in children include change in rate of

lineal growth and lack of appetite.

In his book, Dr. Derry mentions anorexia as one symptom of hypothyroidism.

My son looked and acted anorexic. It just didn't make any sense.

>He says his stomach hurts all the time and I don't know if he is doing it

>to get out of things or not.

My son would be urgently hungry, but then would sit down to supper and his

stomach would be " stuffed " after only a bite or two.

Skipper

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Thanks Skipper! That is my son to the "T". He has not seen Dr. B yet. We have only run the preliminary labs. I started him on Detoxified Iodine in July and his temps got worse! They went from 97 to 96.5 (basal). He is always cold to the touch and VERY thin. He has not grown much at all. He is still wearing all the clothes he wore last year. The only exception is pants which we moved up a size about 1 mo ago. He is incredibly thin too. He is only about 50 lbs and is almost 7 1/2. I know that Dr. B will take care of him. I just can't wait until the end of Feb.

Re: MPV was: self treating

>From: "ladybugsandbees" <ladybugsandbeessbcglobal (DOT) net>>Interesting. I was listening to Udo's CD on oils and he talks of those >skin issues. I am curious what Dr. B will do for them too. I think their >hair tests are back because I got a bill from CHM for them. Their labs >should be in by next week too. But I have another 20 days to wait until we >go. The suspense is killing me. We already do detoxified iodine for them >both. I do the DHA oils for my son and sneak the Flax oil into their >"shakes" at night with some Metagenics Kid's shake powder full of amino >acids. It has been hard to get them to eat what they should lately. My >son barely eats anything. I am worried about him.Not eating can be a thyroid problem. I don't recall if Dr. B. him on Armour or not? My son would barely eat for 3 years (age 7 to 10), after not being able to find a solution we finally figured it out and put him on Armour Thyroid at 3 grains. Shortly after that he started eating and growing again.Key indications of hypothyroidism in children include change in rate of lineal growth and lack of appetite.In his book, Dr. Derry mentions anorexia as one symptom of hypothyroidism. My son looked and acted anorexic. It just didn't make any sense.>He says his stomach hurts all the time and I don't know if he is doing it >to get out of things or not.My son would be urgently hungry, but then would sit down to supper and his stomach would be "stuffed" after only a bite or two.Skipper__________________________________________________________Search for grocery stores. Find gratitude. Turn a simple search into something more. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_gratitude & FORM=WLMTAG

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>From: " ladybugsandbees " <ladybugsandbees@...>

>Thanks Skipper! That is my son to the " T " . He has not seen Dr. B yet. We

>have only run the preliminary labs. I started him on Detoxified Iodine in

>July and his temps got worse! They went from 97 to 96.5 (basal). He is

>always cold to the touch and VERY thin. He has not grown much at all. He

>is still wearing all the clothes he wore last year. The only exception is

>pants which we moved up a size about 1 mo ago. He is incredibly thin too.

>He is only about 50 lbs and is almost 7 1/2. I know that Dr. B will take

>care of him. I just can't wait until the end of Feb.

My son's TSH was taken twice, and it was around 2. I knew there were

problems with diagnosing from TSH, but his problems looked a lot different

than mine or my wife's.

Strangely, before he started treatment, his T4 was low normal, but his T3

was near the top of the range. Yet, he had all those childhood hypo

symptoms I didn't suspect were related to hypo, until I read the Magic

Foundation website and saw the symptoms of childhood hypothyroidism included

change in rate of growth, and lack of appetite. So, he was treated based on

symptoms in spite of normal TSH and T4 and T3, and he got better.

I think part of the problem was all the cereal he ate, which some sources

say has a high fluoride content. It's hard not to let your child eat

cereal, when that's all he'll eat. So, it could have been a low iodine

problem from the fluoride interference. The family doctor wouldn't treat

his thyroid, of course.

Skipper

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Interesting. I understand. I get that way too. Just eat what you can. He

likes drinkable yogurt. I try to make some good " shakes " from my ND's

stuff. He is good about taking vitamins too. I will just be happy to have

him looked at. Dr. B did treat a little girl in his practice that was the

same age as my DD (4 years) and was a daughter of one of his patients. Her

basal temps were the same as Dawson's. Her labs were normal but he still

gave her thyroid meds to try. She looks like night and day difference. I

believe he will try thyroid meds with Dawson if he thinks it is what is

wrong.

> My son's TSH was taken twice, and it was around 2. I knew there were

> problems with diagnosing from TSH, but his problems looked a lot different

> than mine or my wife's.

>

> I think part of the problem was all the cereal he ate, which some sources

> say has a high fluoride content. It's hard not to let your child eat

> cereal, when that's all he'll eat. So, it could have been a low iodine

> problem from the fluoride interference. The family doctor wouldn't treat

> his thyroid, of course.

>

> Skipper

>