Re: First Day's Iodoral Experience

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Well I take HC as 5 / 5 / 5/ 2.5 which is probably not

enough for Stage 6 adrenal fatigue and my body weight,

but that's a topic for the other list.

But, if the Iodoral continues to boost my thyroid

output as it seems to be doing, I may have to continue

to raise the HC a bit to help the extra get into its

receptor cells a bit more. Especially the HC dose that

because of timing, follows taking the Iodoral.

--- Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

> very interesting! I think you must be sure to get

> 20mg H/C.

> Gracia

>

> Wanted to share my experience yesterday, the first

> day

> of taking Iodoral.

>

> I began by taking 25 mg. in the morning along with

> 100

> mcg. Selenium.

>

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you need 20mg HC. maybe we can discuss this b/c it is needed in conjunction with Iodoral?

Gracia

Well I take HC as 5 / 5 / 5/ 2.5 which is probably notenough for Stage 6 adrenal fatigue and my body weight,but that's a topic for the other list. But, if the Iodoral continues to boost my thyroidoutput as it seems to be doing, I may have to continueto raise the HC a bit to help the extra get into itsreceptor cells a bit more. Especially the HC dose thatbecause of timing, follows taking the Iodoral.

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no I mean 5mg 4X a day works best.

It is 3pm here in Maine and I was thinking wow I feel crappy, and then realized I should have taken my HC about 1pm. Now I feel better.

For some reason some docs tell people to lighten up on cortef at the end of the day. I don't think it works so well.

Gracia

Do you mean I need to take 20 mg. HC each time I takethe Iodoral? Or...?Yes please let's discuss this, thanks.

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Hi, ,

Very interesting to hear about your selenium/iodoral experience, as I

am sitting back observing for a while until I get stabilized on HC &

have my sex hormone levels adequately tested, before jumping into the

iodine scene.

, prior to going on HC, I had a similar experience (feeling

hyper, palps, etc) on just 100mcg of selenium. Took it for a couple

of days, then stopped. I'm sure that it was a result of what turned

out to be severe adrenal fatigue.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

Warmly,

>

> Wanted to share my experience yesterday, the first day

> of taking Iodoral.

>

> I began by taking 25 mg. in the morning along with 100

> mcg. Selenium.

>

> About four hours later I began to have small heart

> skips and palpatations, and my vision began to go

> blurry and I felt " far away " . None of this was very

> strong, so I basically just watched it to see what

> would happen, and it all stopped shortly.

>

> Then about two hours after that (six hours after

> taking the Iodoral and Selenium) I began to have BIG

> heart palpitations, and they didn't stop for what

> seemed like forever but was really probably less than

> a minute. I was really scared. My vision was blurry a

> bit again, but not as much as the first time.

>

> At this point I hadn't connected any of this with the

> Iodoral, but thought maybe it was the stupid synthetic

> birth control pill that the doctor put me on this past

> week for ovarian cysts. I vowed to stop taking the

> Pill right then and there.

>

> Then, 12 hours after the first 25 mg. dose of Iodoral

> and 100 mcg. Selenium, I took the second dose. Same

> amounts. Just before bed.

>

> In bed, almost immediately I started feeling wired,

> heart was beating fast, then began the heart palps

> again. I thought AH HA!! I bet this is a Thyroid Dump!

> Having had one before when I first started on HC, it

> was finally ringing a bell.

>

> So I stress-dosed 5 mg. of HC (having already taken my

> normal bedtime dose of 2.5 mg of HC) and within 15

> minutes the racing heart, wired feeling, and heart

> palps had stopped and I felt totally normal. Slept

> like a baby all night.

>

> This morning I woke up and felt more normal than I

> have in a long time. Didn't wake up feeling tired, or

> weak. Felt normal at the core of me inside. DIDN'T

> take the Iodoral/Selenium (and haven't yet) and began

> sliding backwards towards feeling tired and worn

> again.

>

> So it is definitely having an effect on my thyroid T4

> and helping that low T3 I have get moving better as

> well.

>

> I'm about to take today's first dose of Iodoral and

> Selenium and will see how that goes. Will watch for

> the thyroid dump feeling to come, and if it does, will

> take more HC and see how that goes. I'm very adrenally

> fatigued, Stage 6. So we'll see.

>

> Anyway, that's my first day experience with Iodoral in

> case anyone else has ever had similar experiences or

> else hasn't tried it yet and needs to know what to

> possibly look out for.

>

>

>

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>

> Well I take HC as 5 / 5 / 5/ 2.5 which is probably not

> enough for Stage 6 adrenal fatigue and my body weight,

> but that's a topic for the other list.

>

> But, if the Iodoral continues to boost my thyroid

> output as it seems to be doing, I may have to continue

> to raise the HC a bit to help the extra get into its

> receptor cells a bit more. Especially the HC dose that

> because of timing, follows taking the Iodoral.

>

>

>

Because the iodoral seems to be helping in the thyroid department,

beware the evil thyroid dump. Since you are on a low dose of HC, the

" hyper " feelings may be due to more thyroid hormone in the

bloodstream, and may not be able to get where it needs to go yet. If

you increase the HC, you may be in for a miserable time when the

receptors finally allow the thyroid hormone in...

I know you've probably heard it all before on the other list, but I've

been through it, and it's BAAAAAD! (I thought, " how bad can it be? "

WRONG!)

Anyway, it's exciting to hear how well the iodoral is working for you.

Sounds hopeful for when you start to get everything ironed out.

Warmly,

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Oh wow. Yep, I bet it was the Selenium with the

adrenal fatigue not being able to handle the thyroid

hormones the Selenium kicked up? Interesting!

Thanks ,

--- angesc2001 <AngInfoHound@...> wrote:

> Hi, ,

>

> Very interesting to hear about your selenium/iodoral

> experience, as I

> am sitting back observing for a while until I get

> stabilized on HC &

> have my sex hormone levels adequately tested, before

> jumping into the

> iodine scene.

>

> , prior to going on HC, I had a similar

> experience (feeling

> hyper, palps, etc) on just 100mcg of selenium. Took

> it for a couple

> of days, then stopped. I'm sure that it was a

> result of what turned

> out to be severe adrenal fatigue.

>

> Thanks for sharing your experience.

>

> Warmly,

>

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you get up at 10am? My work schedule is 2p-10 or 12p so I get up kind of late too. I take 5mg when I get up, also 25mg Iodoral, then take 5mg around 1p, 6p, 10-11p. 25mg Iodoral after dinner. 5mg 4X a day=20mg. not sure if you hare having a thyroid dump or stressed adrenals.

Gracia

Oh, I see what you mean Gracia. If I raise my HC to deal with the thyroid dump fromthe Iodoral 2x a day, here is what my new HC/Iodoralschedule looks like: 10:00 am - Iodoral 25 mg10:30 am - HC 7.5 2:30 pm - HC 5.0 6:30 pm - HC 5.0 10:00 pm - Iodoral 25 mg.10:30 pm - HC 5.0Total Iodoral per day: 50 mg.Total HC per day: 22.5Whereas before starting the Iodoral it was this withthe HC alone:10:30 am - HC 5.02:30 pm - HC 5.06:30 pm - HC 5.010:30 - 2.5Total HC per day: 17.5But, I was thinking that if I split the Iodoral into4x a day instead of 2x, I probably wouldn't have toraise my HC at all, because the amount of Iodoral foreach dose would be only 12.5 mg. which might not beenough to cause a thyroid dump. So I'm thinking about doing that, actually. I haven'tdecided yet for sure, but will decide within the nextday.

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Well it seems to improve within 15 minutes of taking

more HC, so.... I dont know. It FEELS like a thyroid

dump, heart palps and all.

I've never had (that I know of) a specific incident of

adrenal stress like I have had a thyroid dump, so Im

not sure what the symptoms would be for that. So hard

for me to say if that's what I had.

Maybe it's a bit of both, which would make sense since

the Iodoral will ultimately affect both the thyroid

and the adrenals. I don't know?

In any case, it was much less of a problem today on

Day 2 of the Iodoral. A small bit of heart humming

type of thing, small skips, but the HC cleared it

right up.

I think tomorrow I will start on the 4x a day Iodoral,

split the 50 mg. into four doses and see how that

goes.

Thanks Gracia.

--- Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

> you get up at 10am? My work schedule is 2p-10 or

> 12p so I get up kind of late too. I take 5mg when

> I get up, also 25mg Iodoral, then take 5mg around

> 1p, 6p, 10-11p. 25mg Iodoral after dinner. 5mg 4X

> a day=20mg. not sure if you hare having a thyroid

> dump or stressed adrenals.

> Gracia

>

> Oh, I see what you mean Gracia.

>

> If I raise my HC to deal with the thyroid dump

> from

> the Iodoral 2x a day, here is what my new

> HC/Iodoral

> schedule looks like:

>

> 10:00 am - Iodoral 25 mg

> 10:30 am - HC 7.5

> 2:30 pm - HC 5.0

> 6:30 pm - HC 5.0

> 10:00 pm - Iodoral 25 mg.

> 10:30 pm - HC 5.0

>

> Total Iodoral per day: 50 mg.

> Total HC per day: 22.5

>

> Whereas before starting the Iodoral it was this

> with

> the HC alone:

>

> 10:30 am - HC 5.0

> 2:30 pm - HC 5.0

> 6:30 pm - HC 5.0

> 10:30 - 2.5

> Total HC per day: 17.5

>

> But, I was thinking that if I split the Iodoral

> into

> 4x a day instead of 2x, I probably wouldn't have

> to

> raise my HC at all, because the amount of Iodoral

> for

> each dose would be only 12.5 mg. which might not

> be

> enough to cause a thyroid dump.

>

> So I'm thinking about doing that, actually. I

> haven't

> decided yet for sure, but will decide within the

> next

> day.

>

>

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I see your line of thinking, Sharon. My only thoughts are somewhat

circular...

A thyroid dump would undoubtedly stress the adrenals, thus HC would

alleviate some symptoms, and HC " uses up " thyroid hormone, so more HC

would " use up " the excess thyroid hormone.

Once dumped, I don't think it gets " more dumped " . The receptors open,

and it all flows in. The receptors don't close back down right then,

because there's ample HC.

But the stressed adrenal theory works for me too.

Best way to determine might be temps. Are you taking your temps, ?

>

> Hi ,

>

> I am rolling all this over in my mind, trying to figure out how

> iodine might cause a thyroid dump. And if taking HC relieved your

> symptoms, whether that is evidence of a thyroid dump or not.

>

> If iodine caused a temporary increase in thyroid hormone (assuming it

> didn't cause you go really go hyperT), and all those hormones got

> into your blood and also into your cells then that seems something

> like a thyroid dump. We know HC generally helps thyroid hormone into

> the cells, so it seems like taking HC under those circumstances would

> cause a larger thyroid dump not a relief of symptoms. If HC caused a

> relief of symptoms, then that doesn't seem consistent with you having

> a thyroid dump to me. It seems more consistent with you having

> stressed adrenals either due to an increased but normal amount of

> thyroid hormone, or to excessive thyroid hormone (hyperT).

>

> Just some thoughts - I am curious what others think.

> Best wishes,

> Sharon

>

>

> >

> > Well it seems to improve within 15 minutes of taking

> > more HC, so.... I dont know. It FEELS like a thyroid

> > dump, heart palps and all.

> >

> > I've never had (that I know of) a specific incident of

> > adrenal stress like I have had a thyroid dump, so Im

> > not sure what the symptoms would be for that. So hard

> > for me to say if that's what I had.

> >

> > Maybe it's a bit of both, which would make sense since

> > the Iodoral will ultimately affect both the thyroid

> > and the adrenals. I don't know?

> >

> > In any case, it was much less of a problem today on

> > Day 2 of the Iodoral. A small bit of heart humming

> > type of thing, small skips, but the HC cleared it

> > right up.

>

[Guest guest]

That makes sense too . Nope, not taking my

temps. Things seem calmed down a bit more today, no

bad palps, just some little ones.

--- angesc2001 <AngInfoHound@...> wrote:

> I see your line of thinking, Sharon. My only

> thoughts are somewhat

> circular...

>

> A thyroid dump would undoubtedly stress the

> adrenals, thus HC would

> alleviate some symptoms, and HC " uses up " thyroid

> hormone, so more HC

> would " use up " the excess thyroid hormone.

>

> Once dumped, I don't think it gets " more dumped " .

> The receptors open,

> and it all flows in. The receptors don't close back

> down right then,

> because there's ample HC.

>

> But the stressed adrenal theory works for me too.

>

> Best way to determine might be temps. Are you

> taking your temps, ?

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > I am rolling all this over in my mind, trying to

> figure out how

> > iodine might cause a thyroid dump. And if taking

> HC relieved your

> > symptoms, whether that is evidence of a thyroid

> dump or not.

> >

> > If iodine caused a temporary increase in thyroid

> hormone (assuming it

> > didn't cause you go really go hyperT), and all

> those hormones got

> > into your blood and also into your cells then that

> seems something

> > like a thyroid dump. We know HC generally helps

> thyroid hormone into

> > the cells, so it seems like taking HC under those

> circumstances would

> > cause a larger thyroid dump not a relief of

> symptoms. If HC caused a

> > relief of symptoms, then that doesn't seem

> consistent with you having

> > a thyroid dump to me. It seems more consistent

> with you having

> > stressed adrenals either due to an increased but

> normal amount of

> > thyroid hormone, or to excessive thyroid hormone

> (hyperT).

> >

> > Just some thoughts - I am curious what others

> think.

> > Best wishes,

> > Sharon

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Well it seems to improve within 15 minutes of

> taking

> > > more HC, so.... I dont know. It FEELS like a

> thyroid

> > > dump, heart palps and all.

> > >

> > > I've never had (that I know of) a specific

> incident of

> > > adrenal stress like I have had a thyroid dump,

> so Im

> > > not sure what the symptoms would be for that. So

> hard

> > > for me to say if that's what I had.

> > >

> > > Maybe it's a bit of both, which would make sense

> since

> > > the Iodoral will ultimately affect both the

> thyroid

> > > and the adrenals. I don't know?

> > >

> > > In any case, it was much less of a problem today

> on

> > > Day 2 of the Iodoral. A small bit of heart

> humming

> > > type of thing, small skips, but the HC cleared

> it

> > > right up.

> >

>

>

>

>

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writes:>A thyroid dump is a term coined to describe what happens when the>thyroid hormone receptors have been "turned off" for some reason.....How is this relevant to iodine? I'm >not sure, but I suspect the same>can happen if you take too much iodine all of a sudden.>Has anyone experienced a "thyroid dump" with iodine? I'm very curious>to know about this, as it will definitely influence how slowly I>begin/increase iodine when I start taking it, because I don't want to>experience another thyroid dump - EVER!Hi :

I think you're right about iodine revving up the thyroid, it has happened to me multiple times--not as severe as you describe, but heart palps and feeling ill. I always cut back on Armour when it happens--that's how I wound up on such tiny doses of Armour for so long (which is bad). I think from now on I'm going to lower my iodine for a while, stablilize, then go back up. Maybe it influences the adrenals, too?? I don't know, but I believe it does.

Dahlia

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Dahlia, I don't understand why you say it was not good to cut back on Armour when the iodine speeded up the thyroid. Zoe

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I think you're right about iodine revving up the thyroid, it has happened to me multiple times--not as severe as you describe, but heart palps and feeling ill. I always cut back on Armour when it happens--that's how I wound up on such tiny doses of Armour for so long (which is bad). I think from now on I'm going to lower my iodine for a while, stablilize, then go back up. Maybe it influences the adrenals, too?? I don't know, but I believe it does.

Dahlia

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it's not an either/or situation. you will have to treat adrenals as well as thyroid, they work together. this is the endocrine SYSTEM, not the endocrine PARTS, as our docs are taught.

Gracia

I understand what you're saying Sherry. It makes a lotof sense. But it makes more questions too. If it wasn't a thyroid dump then it's time to look atthe adrenals and see what the Iodoral could be doingthere.What effect exactly does Iodoral have on the adrenals?Causes stress on the adrenals? If so, how? Yes, myadrenals are already in bad shape, Stage 6 adrenalfatigue, so how does Iodoral stress them further? This doesn't seem like a good idea to me, yet thereason I am taking the Iodoral in the first place isto alleviate the ovarian cysts that I have. Will I be stressing my adrenals out further by takingIodoral in order to get rid of the ovarian cysts? It seems I might have to weigh my adrenal healthagainst my ovarian health as far as taking Iodoral isconcerned. Isn't Iodoral GOOD for the adrenals in any way?Today I'm taking much less at once, starting with only1/4 a pill of Iodoral (12.5 mg), 4x a day instead of25 mg. 2x a day.

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" Gracia " <circe@...> wrote:

> this is the endocrine SYSTEM, not the endocrine PARTS

Good one, Gracia :-)

sounds like " the whole endocrine elephant " not just the left

leg, the trunk, the tail...

Carol