Re: Pigs thyroid

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> Although this lady has not told me what her religion is, I believe

she could be Jewish or Arabic because of her name. I am sure that I

have heard that under circumstances where Armour is the only medication

that will give a patient back their health, they are allowed to break

this rule. Do we have anybody on the forum who is Jewish or Arabic who

can tell me if, under such circumstances, a patient would be given a

special dispensation by the local religious leader and allow her to

take Armour?

>

> Luv - Sheila

I don't know what the muslim faith would have to say about it , but I

read on an American thyroid site about a jewish woman who asked several

rabbis for their opinion. They all said that if it was to save a life

or mind then taking it (Armour) would be permitted. The rabbis she

asked varied from more liberal ones to orthodox and they all said it

would be permitted under those circumstances. I'm sorry that I can't

remember which site I read this on, I thought it was STTM but I

couldn't find it just now. I'll have another look.

Hope this helps,

Louise.

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>

> >

> > Although this lady has not told me what her religion is, I

believe

> she could be Jewish or Arabic because of her name. I am sure that

I

> have heard that under circumstances where Armour is the only

medication

> that will give a patient back their health, they are allowed to

break

> this rule. Do we have anybody on the forum who is Jewish or Arabic

who

> can tell me if, under such circumstances, a patient would be given

a

> special dispensation by the local religious leader and allow her to

> take Armour?

> >

> > Luv - Sheila

>

> I don't know what the muslim faith would have to say about it , but

I

> read on an American thyroid site about a jewish woman who asked

several

> rabbis for their opinion. They all said that if it was to save a

life

> or mind then taking it (Armour) would be permitted. The rabbis she

> asked varied from more liberal ones to orthodox and they all said

it

> would be permitted under those circumstances. I'm sorry that I

can't

> remember which site I read this on, I thought it was STTM but I

> couldn't find it just now. I'll have another look.

>

> Hope this helps,

> Louise.

Found it! www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/jewish/

(Sorry I don't know how to make this into a proper link).

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If this lady is Jewish and she needs Armour to 'save her life or make her better' and there is no other alternative, then in Jewish law she is allowed to have it.

Lilian

Can anybody help me please. I have received a message from a lady who's Mother is very ill on levothyroxine - she actually called it a "killer drug" because of how ill her Mum is. She tried to find an alternative and found our website where she was delighted to read about Armour and felt that at last, this is the medication her Mother needs. However, she is now devasted to find that Armour is desiccated pigs thyroid, and says her religion does not allow them to have anything to do with pig.

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> However, she is now devasted to find that Armour is desiccated pigs

> thyroid, and says her religion does not allow them to have anything

> to do with pig.

I do wonder why it is pig's thyroid that we use, especially since there

are so many who can't or won't have it.

Why not cow or sheep? Is pig thyroid so very superior?

I wonder if there is a gap in the market for something like, say,

sheep's thyroid with added T3 (assuming that natural sheep's thyroid

doesn't have enough T3 in it for us. Or, if it does, then added T4).

Rosie

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...........levothyroxine - a " killer drug " .......

hmm that's interesting after my very recent experience I just might

agree with that.

By the way it is most likely that this lady is muslim - anything from

pigs is forbidden in their religion.

My experience with L-thyroxine - I was put on the branded drug

Synthroid by Abbott a year ago. I did extremely well on 50mcg right

up until last July then I decided to get the drug via mail order (3

month supply at a time). It saved me a little money. The first

three months box of pills seemed to be the same as what I had been

taking but I noticed I didn't feel quite as good. Then I got the

next three months worth. I went from being a normal happy, capable

bouncy person to one who was depressed, aching muscles and joints,

fatigue all this stopped me from cycling, going to the gym generally

participating in a normal life. This change happened rapidly over a 6

week period. I was also incapable of making simple decisions to the

point where confronted with anything I would just collapse in a heap

and almost burst into tears - depression I guess. I had never known

anything like this before. My husband was very worried. I had an

appointment with my Endo - he told me it was not the pills it was

me! Not impressed I am not going back to him. He also told me to up

my intake of daily meds but he was not at all happy for me to do that

saying it would cause my other problems.

I next visited my Dr who was shocked at my state - she had only known

me for 18 months but she realised this was not normal. It turned out

the mail order co (thru my health insurance plan) had substituted

Levothyroxine for the branded drug Synthroid. My Dr put me back on

Synthroid at a higher dosage (75 mcg) and imemdiately gave me a B12

shot telling me to come back for another in a couple of weeks if I

needed it and then asked me to come back six weeks later having had

blood workup for TSH T3 & T4 done before hand so my levels could be

checked.

Once I stopped taking Levothyroxine (and I did this before I went to

see my GP something they tell you never to do over here)I immediately

felt better - the brain fog disappeared. But it took several weeks

for the Synthroid to kick in properly; but it did and within one

month I was feeling almost back to normal. I think the B12 shot

helped too. In fact the 75mcg turned out to be too much and I became

a little hyper instead of hypo. So my Dr has told me take 50mcg on

three days a week and 75mcg on the other days a week - always in the

morning and only drinking water for a full hour after taking it.

Apart from that the only meds I take is a multi vitamin and one Omega

3 capsule which I take with dinner each day - my Dr put me on to this

one to help with my cholesterol which started out a little high but

has since been brought right back in line. Synthroid probably helped

to bring down my cholestrol too.

This episode taught me I must check and double check what I pick up

from the pharmacy - I no longer get my meds via mail order. I also

will no longer get more than one months supply because I have read

that the efficiency of these pills can diminish with age and

temperature - I no longer keep them in the bathroom now either.

So much to know, so much to learn why do we have to learn it the hard

way - shrug... I guess that's life.

So I guess my advice to anyone would be keep away from any

susbstitute thyroid drug and only go with a branded drug - that is if

you have the choice. England is very difficult. While there I could

not get even diagnosed properly despite having a definate lump in my

thyroid by the time I left on '06. Thankfully here all the nodules

were found to be benign and I am now beginning my journey with

Synthroid - so far so good, long may it last.

I know nothing about Armour - it has never even been mentioned to me

by my Dr - but I suspect my results are such that I seem to be

converting the T4 into T3 without any difficult - so far.

And that leads me onto another question which has me totally

confused. On this site (which I think btw is absolutely marvelous -

great work everyone) the test results seems to be very different

from what I am seeing for myself.

My latest results are:

TSH 0.216L uIU/mL range: 0.350 - 5.500

Thyroxine(T4) 11.2 ug/dl 4.5 - 12.0

Triiodothyronine (T3) 134 ng/dl

If anyone can explain the difference in testing between the two

countries I'd be an eager listener.

I think that's enough rant from me..........

M

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> Can anybody help me please. I have received a message from a lady

who's Mother is very ill on levothyroxine - she actually called it

a " killer drug " because of how ill her Mum is. She tried to find an

alternative and found our website where she was delighted to read

about Armour and felt that at last, this is the medication her Mother

needs. However, she is now devasted to find that Armour is desiccated

pigs thyroid, and says her religion does not allow them to have

anything to do with pig.

by the local religious leader and allow her to take Armour?

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

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> The trouble is that is someone is so against Pig on religious

> grounds they will also be against the way it is slaughtered. In

> both the Jewish and Muslim religion the animal has to be

> slaughtered a special way (Kosher or Halal). So there could be

> difficulties there even if Cow or Sheep.

It's an obstacle, but it could be done.

> If T3 or T4 have to be added I presume that will be synthetic T3 /

> T4 but some people cannot tolerate synthetic, so that defeats the

> object of natural.

Yebbut that's no different from the situation at present. If you

can't/won't have pig then you must have synthetics, whether or not

they agree with you.

I was just thinking that Armour's efficacy is often ascribed to its

T2, T1 & calcitonin content, which synthetics don't have but natural

cow or sheep's thyroid might (do they?). And if the T4/T3 balance in

cow or sheep isn't quite right for the individual, then they could

add T4 or T3 till they find their own sweet spot, just as people do

right now with Armour.

Rosie