Re: New - I got a DIAGNOSIS!!

[Guest guest]

Hello - dark rings around your eyes - to my knowledge mean malfunctioning liver,

I am not sure about the gbladder with your dark rings, but I am sure it is in

some percentage. I think you can try a cleansing or two. Just my two cents.

" S. " <breakbeatmufugga@...> wrote: Jay - I usually weigh 120

pounds and I am 5'7, so I am thin to begin with. Being doubled over in pain

every day constantly for over a month and not being able to stomach anything but

water has me down to almost 105 pounds, I have dark circles under my eyes, zero

energy, and my mental stability is very shaky at this point. Maybe I was being

slightly dramatic and a bit fesicous, forgive me, but you asked the question of

why anyone would want to get rid of their gallbladder, and I gave my honest

answer. Maybe since you are in decent health right now (forgive me if I am

wrong) you forget what it is like to suffer for weeks on end. Although I may

not be " dying " , I sure feel like it at times. And that is why I am doing as

much research as possible, so that I can be aware of all forms of treatment.

Jay Grosflam <jgrosflam@...> wrote:

no you are not dying from it - slightly dramatic?

" S. " <breakbeatmufugga@...> wrote: To answer your question -

because I am dying from it.

Jay Grosflam <jgrosflam@...> wrote: why the heck would you want your

gbladder removed?

Flush and flush again.

- S.

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[Guest guest]

, I have suffered from gallbladder attacks for decades -- I'm not

talking mild attacks -- I'm talking take your breath away, doubled over,

thinking I'm going to die type attacks and I was misdiagnosed time after

time until I finally gave up on doctors entirely except for the occasional

dislocated shoulder or broken bone :-).

I have even flushed in the middle of a severe attack and am thankful I took

the chance (I believe that was in September). I am doing monthly flushes

right now but my life has improved dramatically since starting the flushes

(for one thing, I'm not in such excruciating pain anymore). I've expelled

thousands upon thousands of stones in one flush.

However, it sounds like you've got your mind made up and there's not a whole

lot we can say anyway.

Lori

(50 years old, 5'5 " , 125 lb -- I still have my gallbladder and am grateful

things are finally getting under control)

[Guest guest]

First off if your gallbladder is full of stones it is not helping you

much.

Second if you take a zip lock bag and fill it with water and squeeze

it the water will shoot out an opening at a good preassure. If you

fill the zip lock bag with marbles and try to squeeze it without

letting out the marbles then you will not get good pressure.

Your liver is like the zip lock bag and it can not deliver bile to

well if it is full of stones, your gallbladder is a like a chamber

that stores premade bile in higher concentration then in the

liver . The gallbladder helps digestion big time when it is working.

Flushing both the liver and gallbladder will remove all the stuff

that is causing liver and gallbladder inflammation and damage;

specifically parasites. Just removeing the gallbladder and its stones

does not remove the stones in the liver or the harmful material

so even after gallbladder removal there still is liver stones and

parasites in the liver that still would be best to flush out.

Once again I give you what Hulda clark says about this

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The material you are about to read is quoted from

Dr. Hulda's <http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/aboutclark.html>book, The

Cure for all Diseases <http://curezone.com/clark/>.

It is presented here as a public information service only.

All rights are reserved by the author and/or the publisher.

You can make a print or a copy of this material !

*90% of this book is available online, here: The Cure for all Diseases

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*Liver cleanse - Gallbladder cleanse - Liver flush*

Excerpt from the book:

Large Cholesterol Gallstone

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" Cleansing the liver of gallstones dramatically improves digestion,

which is the basis of your whole health. You can expect your allergies

to disappear, too, more with each cleanse you do! Incredibly, it also

eliminates shoulder, upper arm, and upper back pain. You have more

energy and increased sense of well being.

It is the job of the liver to make bile, 1 to 1.5 quarts in a day! The

liver is full of tubes (biliary tubing) that deliver the bile to one

large tube (the common bile duct). The gallbladder is attached to the

common bile duct and acts as a storage reservoir. Eating fat or protein

triggers the gallbladder to squeeze itself empty after about twenty

minutes, and the stored bile finishes its trip down the common bile duct

to the intestine.

For many persons, including children, the biliary tubing is choked with

gallstones. Some develop allergies or hives but some have no symptoms.

When the gallbladder is scanned or X-rayed nothing is seen. Typically,

they are not in the gallbladder. Not only that, most are too small and

not calcified, a prerequisite for visibility on an X-ray. There are over

half a dozen varieties of gallstones, most of which have cholesterol

crystals in them. They can be black, red, white, green or tan colored.

The green ones get their color from being coated with bile. Notice in

the picture (pg. 545) how many have imbedded unidentified objects. Are

they fluke remains? Notice how man are shaped like corks with

longitudinal grooves below the tops. We can visualize the blocked bile

ducts from such shapes. Other stones are composites- made of many

smaller ones- showing that they regrouped in the bile ducts some time

after the last cleanse.

At the very center of each stone is found a clump of bacteria, according

to scientists, suggesting a dead bit of parasite might have started the

stone forming.

As the stones grow and become more numerous the back pressure on the

liver causes it to make less bile. Imagine the situation if your garden

hose had marbles in it. Much less water would flow, which in turn would

decrease the ability of the hose to squirt out the marbles. With

gallstones, much less cholesterol leaves the body, and cholesterol

levels rise.

Gallstones, being porous, can pick up all the bacteria, cysts, viruses

and parasites that are passing through the liver. In this way " nests " of

infection are formed, forever supplying the body with fresh bacteria. No

stomach infection such as ulcers or intestinal bloating can be cured

permanently without removing these gallstones from the liver.

Preparation

* You can't clean a liver with living parasites in it. You won't get

out many stones, and will feel quite sick. Zap daily the week

before <http://curezone.com/clark/>, or get through the first

three weeks of the parasite killing program

<http://curezone.com/clark/> before attempting a liver cleanse. If

you are on a parasite maintenance program, do a high dose program

the week before.

* Completing the kidney cleanse <http://curezone.com/clark/> before

cleansing the liver is also recommended. You want your kidneys,

bladder and urinary tract in top working condition so they can

efficiently remove any undesirable substances incidentally

absorbed from the intestine as the bile is being excreted.

* Do any dental work first <http://curezone.com/clark/>, if

possible. Your mouth should be metal free

<http://curezone.com/clark/> and bacteria free (cavitations are

cleaned). A toxic mouth can put a heavy load on the liver,

burdening it immediately after cleansing. Eliminate that problem

first for best results.

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Liver cleanse and gallbladder cleanse flush NO surgery

Ingredients

*1/2 CupOlive Oil Extra Virgin (= 1.25 dl) *

*1 Big grapefruit (2 small) (Or 3 lemons)*

*4 tablespoon EPSOM salts = ( *MgSO4 + 7H2O)

*(EPSOM salts = Magnesium Sulphate = *EPSOMITE = Magnesium Sulfate

Heptahydrate)

*3 cups water (=750 dl)*

(P.S .!! 1 cup = 250 ml = 2.5 dl = 0.25 l )

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* You can substitute 3 cups water (=750 dl) (that is used in this recipe

to dissolve Epsom salt) with 3 cups freshly pressed grapefruit juice, or

freshly pressed apple juice . That way you will not feel unpleasant

taste of Magnesium Sulphate

( = Magnesium Sulfate = Epsom salt = * MgSO4 + 7H2O*) ] *

*[if using lemon juice, do not blend juice with oil.

Drink little oil, little juice, from 2 differnt cups.

If you mix oil and juice, it may (it doesn't happens always) sligtly

congell, and get a slimy consitence that is not easy to swallow.

It may become slimy.

It never happens with grapefruit juice!]*

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Choose a day like Saturday for the cleanse, since you will be able to

rest the next day.

Take no medicines, vitamins or pills that you can do without; they could

prevent success. Stop the parasite program and kidney herbs too, the day

before.

Eat a no-fat breakfast and lunch such as cooked cereal with fruit, fruit

juice, bread and preserves or honey (no butter or milk), baked potato or

other vegetables with salt only. This allows the bile to build up and

develop pressure in the liver. Higher pressure pushes out more stones.

*2:00 PM.* Do not eat or drink after 2 o'clock. If you break this rule

you could feel quite ill later. Get your Epsom salts ready. Mix 4 tbs.

in 3 cups water and pour this into a jar. This makes four servings, 3/4

(three fourths) cup each. Set the jar in the refrigerator to get ice

cold (this is for convenience and taste only).

*[ You can substitute 3 cups water with 3 cups freshly pressed

grapefruit juice, or freshly pressed apple juice, it tastes better .]*

*6:00 PM.* Drink one serving 3/4 (three fourths cup) of the ice cold

Epsom salts. If you did not prepare this ahead of time, mix 1 tbs. in

3/4 (three fourth) cup water now. You may add 1/8 (one eight) tsp.

vitamin C powder to improve the taste. You may also drink a few

mouthfuls of water afterwards or rinse your mouth. Get the olive oil

(ozonated, if possible) and grapefruit out to warm up.

*Alternative Schedule 1*: Omit the first Epsom Slats dose at 6 p.m. Take

only one dose, waiting till 8 p.m. Change nothing else. Many people

still get stones with one less dose. If you do not, do the full course

next time. " The Cure For HIV and AIDS " By Hulda pg.585

*8:00 PM.* Repeat by drinking another 3/4 (three fourths) cup of Epsom

salts.You haven't eaten since two o'clock, but you won't feel hungry.

Get your bedtime chores done. The timing is critical for success.

*9:45 PM.* Pour 1/2 (half) cup (measured) olive oil into the pint jar.

Add 2 drops HCl to sterilize. Wash grapefruit twice in hot water and

dry; squeeze by hand into the measuring cup. Remove pulp with fork. You

should have at least 1/2 (half) cup, more (up to 3/4 (three fourths)

cup) is best. You may use part lemonade. Add this to the olive oil. Also

add Black Walnut Tincture. Close the jar tightly with the lid and shake

hard until watery (only fresh grapefruit juice does this).

Now visit the bathroom one or more time, even if it makes you late for

your ten o'clock drink. Don't be more than 15 minutes late. You will get

fewer stones.

*10:00 PM.* Drink the potion you have mixed. Take 4 ornithine capsules

with the first sips to make sure you will sleep through the night. Take

8 if you already suffer from insomnia. Drinking through a large plastic

straw helps it go down easier. You may use oil and vinegar salad

dressing, or straight honey to chase it down between sips. Have these

ready in a tablespoon on the kitchen counter. Take it all to your

bedside if you want, but drink it standing up. Get it down within 5

minutes (fifteen minutes for very elderly or weak persons).

Lie down immediately. You might fail to get stones out if you don't. The

sooner you lie down the more stones you will get out. Be ready for bed

ahead of time. Don't clean up the kitchen. As soon as the drink is down

walk to your bed and lie down flat on your back with your head up high

on the pillow. Try to think about what is happening in the liver. Try to

keep perfectly still for at least 20 minutes. You may feel a train of

stones traveling along the bile ducts like marbles. There is no pain

because the bile duct valves are open (thank you Epsom salts!). Go to

sleep, you may fail to get stones out if you don't.

*Next morning.* Upon awakening take your third dose of Epsom salts. If

you have indigestion or nausea wait until it is gone before drinking the

Epsom salts. You may go back to bed. Don't take this potion before 6:00 am.

*2 Hours Later.* Take your fourth (the last) dose of Epsom salts. You

may go back to bed again.

" The Cure For HIV and AIDS " By Hulda pg.585

*Alternative Schedule 2*: After taking the first dose of Epsom salts in

the morning, wait two hours and take a second dose of the oil mixture

(but only 1/2 cup)and go back to bed. After two more hours take another

dose of Epsom salts. This schedule can increase the number of stones you

remove. "

*After 2 More Hours* you may eat. Start with fruit juice. Half an hour

later eat fruit. One hour later you may eat regular food but keep it

light. By supper you should feel recovered.

*How well did you do?*

Expect diarrhea in the morning.

Use a flashlight to look for gallstones in the toilet with the bowel

movement.

Use colander to make sure you collect all stones

Liver flush - Use of Colander

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Look for the green kind since this is proof that they are genuine

gallstones, not food residue. Only bile from the liver is pea green. The

bowel movement sinks but gallstones float because of the cholesterol

inside.

Calcified stones and stones containing protein may sink, but colander

will catch all stones.

Count them all roughly, whether tan or green. You will need to total

2,000 stones before the liver is clean enough to rid you of allergies or

bursitis or upper back pains permanently. The first cleanse may rid you

of them for a few days, but as the stones from the rear travel forward,

they give you the same symptoms again. You may repeat cleanses at two

week intervals. Never cleanse when you are ill.

[HPS editors note: I started passing chaff through normal bowel

movements after my 4th colon cleansing fast, approximately after a total

of 4x14= 56 days of total colon cleansing within 9 months. The chaff

continued in normal bowel movements for 8 months! Thousands of tiny

stones, looked like small popcorn and small bee pollen granules, others

looked like moth wings. Sometime I would drop at one bowel movement

50-100 pea size stones that would float in the water. It was truly an

experience. Almost daily for 8 months! When I did my first Dr. 's

liver cleanse I immediately dropped over 200 pea size green and tan

stones, and when I examined them I was shocked. They crushed in my

fingers and what I found was pure fat, pure cholesterol. Can you imagine

hundred of them. Also in my second liver cleanse I had the same experience].

Sometimes, the bile ducts are full of cholesterol crystals that did not

form into round stones. They appear as a " chaff " floating on top of the

toilet bowl water. It may be tan colored, harboring millions of tiny

white crystals. cleansing this chaff is just as important as purging the

stones.

How safe is the liver cleanse? It is very safe. My opinion is based on

over 500 cases, including many persons in their seventies and eighties.

None went to the hospital; none even reported pain. However it can make

you feel quite ill for one or two days afterwards, although in every one

of these cases the maintenance parasite program had been neglected. This

is why the instructions direct you to complete the parasite and kidney

rinse program first.

This procedure contradicts many modern medical viewpoints. Gallstones

are thought to be formed in the gallbladder, not the liver. They are

though to be few, not thousands. They are not linked to pains other than

gallbladder attacks. It is easy to understand why this thought: by the

time you have acute pain attacks, some stones are in the gallbladder,

are big enough and sufficiently calcified to see on X-ray, and have

caused inflammation there. When the gallbladder is removed the acute

attacks are gone, but the bursitis and other pains and digestive

problems remain.

The truth is self-evident. People who have had their gallbladder removed

surgically still get plenty of green, bile coated stones, and anyone who

cares to dissect their stones can see that the concentric circles and

crystals of cholesterol match textbook pictures of " gallstones "

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* You can substitute 3 cups water (=750 dl) with 3 cups freshly pressed

grapefruit juice, or freshly pressed apple juice that is used in this

recipe to dissolve Epsom salt. That way you will not feel unpleasant

taste of Magnesium Sulphate ( = Magnesium Sulfate = Epsom salt = * MgSO4

+ 7H2O*) ]*

*Magnesium Sulfate used for liver cleanse*

Chemical name: Magnesium Sulfate (Heptahydrate) or (Hydrated)

Chemical Formula: MgSO4 + 7H2O, Hydrated Magnesium Sulfate

Mineral: EPSOMITE (MgSO4 + 7H2O)

Other minerals: KIESERITE (MgSO4 + H2O, Hydrated Magnesium Sulfate)

Hexahydrite (MgSO4 + 6H2O)

MAGNESIUM SULFATE

Description

http://eilat.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu/newnyc/drugs/magnesiu.htm

Magnesium sulfate reduces striated muscle contractions and blocks

peripheral neuromuscular transmission by reducing acetylcholine release

at the myoneural junction. In emergency care, magnesium

sulfate is used to manage seizures associated with toxemia of pregnancy.

Other uses include uterine relaxation (to inhibit contractions of

premature labor), as a bronchodilator after beta-agonist and

anticholinergic agents have been used, replacement therapy for magnesium

deficiency, as a cathartic to reduce the absorption of poisons from the

Gl tract, and in the initial therapy for convulsions. Magnesium sulfate

is gaining popularity as an initial treatment in the management of

various dysrhythmias, particularly torsades de pointes, and dysrhythmias

secondary to a tricyclic antidepressant overdose or digitalis toxicity.

The drug is also considered as a class Ila agent (probably helpful) for

refractory ventricular fibrillation and ventricular tachycardia after

administration of lidocaine or bretylium doses.

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Magnesium sulfate is effective for severe acute asthma treated in the

emergency department

http://www.acponline.org/journals/ebm/sepoct99/rowe.htm

Intravenous magnesium sulfate reduces the rate of hospital admissions

and improves pulmonary function in patients with severe acute asthma

treated in the emergency department.

Sources of funding: Canadian Association of Emergency Physicians and

National Institutes of Health.

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Magnesium sulfate is used to treat pre-eclampsia, eclampsia and preterm

labor.

http://www.twinslist.org/magsulfate.html

Pre-eclampsia (also known as toxemia and Pregnancy-Induced High Blood

Pressure) consists of high blood pressure, protein in the urine and

edema (swelling). It can rapidly become severe pre-eclampsia, with very

high blood pressure, visual disturbances, failing kidneys and elevated

liver enzymes. In rare cases, pre-eclampsia develops into eclampsia,

where potentially fatal convulsions occur. It also can become HELLP

Syndrome (hemolysis (H), which is the breaking down of red blood cells,

elevated liver enzymes (EL), and low platelet count (LP)), which is

potentially fatal to both the woman and her baby or babies.

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* What is Ornithine? <http://healthwell.com/healthnotes/Supp/Ornithine.cfm>*

Also indexed as: L-ornithine-L-aspartate, Ornithine-aspartate, OA

What does it do?

Ornithine, an amino acid, is manufactured by the body when another amino

acid, arginine, is metabolized during the production of urea (a

constituent of urine). Animal research has suggested that ornithine,

along with arginine, may promote muscle-building activity in the body by

increasing levels of anabolic (growth-promoting) hormones such as

insulin and growth hormone. However, most human research does not

support these claims at reasonable intake levels.1 2 3 One study that

did demonstrate increased growth hormone with oral ornithine used very

high amounts (an average of 13 grams per day) and reported many

gastrointestinal side effects.4 One controlled study reported greater

increases in lean body mass and strength after five weeks of intensive

strength training in athletes taking 1 gram per day each of arginine and

ornithine compared to a group doing the exercise but taking placebo.5

These findings require independent confirmation.

In clinical studies on people hospitalized for surgery, generalized

infections, cancer, trauma, or burns, supplementation with ornithine

alpha-ketoglutarate has been reported to produce several beneficial

effects.6 A double-blind trial evaluated the effects of ornithine

alpha-ketoglutarate supplementation in elderly people recovering from

acute illnesses;7 those who took 10 grams of ornithine

alpha-ketoglutarate per day for two months had marked improvement in

appetite, weight gain, and quality of life compared to those taking

placebo. They also had shorter recovery periods and required fewer home

visits by physicians and nurses and needed fewer medications.

Ornithine aspartate has been shown to be beneficial in people with

hepatic encephalopathy (brain abnormalities) due to liver cirrhosis. In

a double-blind trial, people with cirrhosis and hepatic encephalopathy

received either 18 grams per day of L-ornithine-L-aspartate or placebo

for two weeks.8 Those taking the ornithine had significant improvements

in liver function and blood tests compared to those taking placebo.

Preliminary 9 and controlled 10 studies of people with severe burns

showed that supplementation with 10-30 grams of ornithine

alpha-ketoglutarate per day significantly improved wound healing and

decreased the length of hospital stays.

Where is it found?

As with amino acids in general, ornithine is predominantly found in

meat, fish, dairy, and eggs. Western diets typically provide 5 grams per

day. The body also produces ornithine.

Ornithine has been used in connection with the following condition

(refer to the individual health concern for complete information):

Secondary Burns

Liver cirrhosis (hepatic encephalopathy)

Recovery from illness

Athletic performance (for body composition and strength)

Who is likely to be deficient?

Since ornithine is produced by the body, a deficiency of this

nonessential amino acid is unlikely, though depletion can occur during

growth or pregnancy, and after severe trauma or malnutrition.11

How much is usually taken?

Most people would not benefit from ornithine supplementation. In human

research involving ornithine, 5-10 grams are typically used per day,

sometimes combined with arginine.

Are there any side effects or interactions?

No side effects have been reported with the use of ornithine, except for

gastrointestinal distress with intakes over 10 grams per day.

The presence of arginine is needed to produce ornithine in the body, so

higher levels of this amino acid should increase ornithine production.

At the time of writing, there were no well-known drug interactions with

ornithine.

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References:

1. Bucci LR, Hickson JF, Wolinsky I, et al. Ornithine supplementation

and insulin release in bodybuilders. Int J Sport Nutr 1992;2:287-91.

2. Fogelholm GM, Naveri HK, Kiilavuori KT, et al. Low-dose amino acid

supplementation: no effects on serum human growth hormone and insulin in

male weightlifters. Int J Sport Nutr 1993;3:290-7.

3. Lambert MI, Hefer JA, Millar RP, et al. Failure of commercial oral

amino acid supplements to increase serum growth hormone concentrations

in male body-builders. Int J Sport Nutr 1993;3:298-305.

4. Bucci L, Hickson JF et al. Ornithine ingestion and growth hormone

release in bodybuilders. Nutr Res 1990;10:239-45.

5. Elam RP, Hardin DH, Sutton RA, et al. Effects of arginine and

ornithine on strength, lean body mass and urinary hydroxyproline in

adult males. J Sports Med Phys Fitness 1989;29:52-6.

6. Cynober L. place des nouveaux substrats azotés en nutrition

artificielle périopératoire de l'adulte. Nutr Clin Métabole 1995;9:113

[in French].

7. Brocker P, Vellas B, Albarede JL, Poynard T. A two-centre,

randomized, double-blind trial of ornithine oxoglutarate in 194 elderly,

ambulatory, convalescent subjects. Age Ageing 1994;23:303-6.

8. Stauch S, Kircheis G, Adler G, et al. Oral L-ornithine-L-aspartate

therapy of chronic hepatic encephalopathy: results of a

placebo-controlled double-blind study. J Hepatol 1998;28:856-64.

9. Cynober L. Amino acid metabolism in thermal burns. JPEN 1989;13:196.

10. De Bandt JP, Coudray-Lucas C, Lioret N, et al. A randomized

controlled trial of the influence of the mode of enteral ornithine

alpha-ketoglutarate administration in burn patients. J Nutr 1998;128:563-9.

11. Zieve L. Conditional deficiencies of ornithine or arginine. J Am

Coll Nutr 1986;5:167-76. [review]

S. wrote:

> Vince - First, thank you! Second, I've got a question for you and

> the others on the list. I understand that flushing the liver and

> gallbladder will help to cleanse them and rid people of sludge/stones

> at least temporarily. However, if I have a " lazy " gallbladder, like

> they say, wont this sludge just build back up? My point is, while

> flushing literally flushes the organs, how would it help an

> unproductive gallbladder that works at less than 50% of what it should?

>

> Vince Richter <new_man85@...> wrote:

> " Your

> gall bladder is in need of healing. "

>

>

>

> - S.

>

> ---------------------------------

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Tina,

This is very informative. Thanks for sending it. I like the really simple way

you gave

the suggestion of taking epsom salt with juice when in pain. I need plain

instructions

like that! I will keep this and if and when I have another attack, I will use it

for pain. I

will report my results to the list. BUT, I'm hoping to avoid any more attacks.

You mentioned your hubby. What kind of work does he do?

Kathleen

On 9 Dec 2005 at 19:39, tina83862 wrote:

> Everyone has a different type of pain capacitiy and I will tell you

> right now go get the epsom salts and mix it will any kind of juice

> and get it down---at least one tablespoon. That will GREATLY relieve

> pain so you can think clearly.

>

> hubby sees many a skinny man with heart disease!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> tina

[Guest guest]

A good book to read on this vein is ' The China Study' by T. Colin ,

PHD . Has amazing facts.

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

G Murray - I came to this forum because it is called " GALLSTONES " and I have

gallbladder disease. I am not set on getting it out, as a matter of fact I am

going to perform my first flush next weekend. Thank you for your assumption,

though.

G & K Murray <kgtnm@...> wrote:

,

Obviously you have made your mind up to get it out. I'm not sure why

you have come to this forum if you had already made up your mind.

I have had my gallbladder out and deeply regret. The pain is still with

me, not as sharp but still there all the time, when I am not cleansing.

I can not eat just anything any more. I have performed 10-12 liver

flushes since last summer and am now feeling a lot better. I believe

that cleansing is the answer to the gallbladder/liver plague and wish

that I never had mine removed. My liver now drips bile all the time

after a meal and diarrhea has become my incessant sidekick. I have

passed a couple of stones from my liver a couple of years ago before I

started flushing again. That was a little painful as I was not prepared

with the epsom salts. The pain radiated from my ribcage to my back and

shoulder blade or down my arm. It feels like my back is constantly

tired but that is just the liver and bile ducts talking. When I do my

flushes I can immediately tell the difference until the pain creeps

back. I still dump sludge when it is long time between flushes as it

now is just stored in the liver as the gallbladder so there is really no

change from before the surgery to after except I don't have the actual

gallbladder attacks. If I only knew then what I know now I would never

had agreed to it.

G Murray

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Everyone is different some of us are medical savvy and can

understand complex language and some of us need it to be in black

and white---simple to understand.

I tend to need the information both ways!!!!

Too complex the procedure and I get confused and lost and won't try

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So I played around with the flushes and made many mistakes!!!!!

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I think many here have also customized their flushes!!!!!!

Hubby is in the heart business--medical devices. He sees many a

young person on the table! Smoking and genetics are usually the

cause!

And I am happy to be able to help anyone that needs it!!!!

tina

>

> > Everyone has a different type of pain capacitiy and I will tell

you

> > right now go get the epsom salts and mix it will any kind of

juice

> > and get it down---at least one tablespoon. That will GREATLY

relieve

> > pain so you can think clearly.

> >

> > hubby sees many a skinny man with heart disease!!!!!!!!!!!!

> >

> > tina

>

[Guest guest]

China has one of the highest new cases of heart disease and yes some

of it is due to diet and finally getting health care. WE see it all

in every country don't be misled.

Most of our business is in China!!!!!!

and yes diet is huge but there is a lot of genetic disease as well!!

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/congenitalheartdisease.html

> > >

> > > > Everyone has a different type of pain capacitiy and I will

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> > > > and get it down---at least one tablespoon. That will GREATLY

> > relieve

> > > > pain so you can think clearly.

> > > >

> > > > hubby sees many a skinny man with heart disease!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > >

> > > > tina

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It depends on what kind of heart stuff you're talking about I was born

with a heart defect (congenetal heart disease - tetrology of fallot) and

have been told that if my husband and I were to have kids, our children

would have a 4-6% chance of having the same defect I do, assuming that there

is no history of such defects on my husband's side.

I am a slim (125lb, 5'2 " ) female, non-smoker, very occasional drinker (once

per month). Genetics can have 'some sort' of impact, depending on if you're

talking about birth defects, or issues that arise later on in life (as

you've pointed out, folks who do things in excess and who are too hard on

their bodies).

Totally unrelated, I'm sorry! Just wanted to comment on that By no means

am I an expert on my own condition, or ANY condition, just my feelings

through my dealings with the Congenetal Heart Disease clinics here in the US

and in Canada.

*butts out of the conversation*

On 12/10/05, Belskis <brian0017@...> wrote:

>

>

> Genetics is not a valid arguement since the children usually have the

> same dietary and smoking and drinking habits as there parents did!

[Guest guest]

Genetics is not a valid arguement since the children usually have the

same dietary and smoking and drinking habits as there parents did!

Japan and China citizens have a low history of cancer and heart

disease because they have low fat diet. When they move to america and

start eating american diet then they also start having cancer and heart

related diseases. Were as the Grandma in Japan is in good health

the granddaughter living in america eating the big mac value meal may

have breast cancer at mid life. The statistics prove this!

medical doctors dont understand the body can heal itself

What is needed for the body to heal ? A break from eating meat and

being free from harmful drugs and harmful metal in the body.

40 days without eating meat but a frut and vegetable diet will help

you heal faster.

40 day juice fast will cause miracles to happen

tina83862 wrote:

>

> Everyone is different some of us are medical savvy and can

> understand complex language and some of us need it to be in black

> and white---simple to understand.

>

> I tend to need the information both ways!!!!

>

> Too complex the procedure and I get confused and lost and won't try

> something.

>

> So I played around with the flushes and made many mistakes!!!!!

>

> and now have boiled it down to simple instructions for myself.

>

> I think many here have also customized their flushes!!!!!!

>

> Hubby is in the heart business--medical devices. He sees many a

> young person on the table! Smoking and genetics are usually the

> cause!

>

> And I am happy to be able to help anyone that needs it!!!!

>

> tina

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > Everyone has a different type of pain capacitiy and I will tell

> you

> > > right now go get the epsom salts and mix it will any kind of

> juice

> > > and get it down---at least one tablespoon. That will GREATLY

> relieve

> > > pain so you can think clearly.

> > >

> > > hubby sees many a skinny man with heart disease!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > >

> > > tina

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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You were told that but that does not prove anything !

I don't call my doctor God

Dana Reale wrote:

> It depends on what kind of heart stuff you're talking about I was born

> with a heart defect (congenetal heart disease - tetrology of fallot) and

> have been told that if my husband and I were to have kids, our children

> would have a 4-6% chance of having the same defect I do, assuming that

> there

> is no history of such defects on my husband's side.

>

> I am a slim (125lb, 5'2 " ) female, non-smoker, very occasional drinker

> (once

> per month). Genetics can have 'some sort' of impact, depending on if

> you're

> talking about birth defects, or issues that arise later on in life (as

> you've pointed out, folks who do things in excess and who are too hard on

> their bodies).

>

> Totally unrelated, I'm sorry! Just wanted to comment on that By no

> means

> am I an expert on my own condition, or ANY condition, just my feelings

> through my dealings with the Congenetal Heart Disease clinics here in

> the US

> and in Canada.

>

> *butts out of the conversation*

>

>

> On 12/10/05, Belskis <brian0017@...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Genetics is not a valid arguement since the children usually have the

> > same dietary and smoking and drinking habits as there parents did!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I may have sent you an email in error, please forgive

Dana Reale <dana.reale@...> wrote: It depends on what kind of heart stuff

you're talking about I was born

with a heart defect (congenetal heart disease - tetrology of fallot) and

have been told that if my husband and I were to have kids, our children

would have a 4-6% chance of having the same defect I do, assuming that there

is no history of such defects on my husband's side.

I am a slim (125lb, 5'2 " ) female, non-smoker, very occasional drinker (once

per month). Genetics can have 'some sort' of impact, depending on if you're

talking about birth defects, or issues that arise later on in life (as

you've pointed out, folks who do things in excess and who are too hard on

their bodies).

Totally unrelated, I'm sorry! Just wanted to comment on that By no means

am I an expert on my own condition, or ANY condition, just my feelings

through my dealings with the Congenetal Heart Disease clinics here in the US

and in Canada.

*butts out of the conversation*

On 12/10/05, Belskis <brian0017@...> wrote:

>

>

> Genetics is not a valid arguement since the children usually have the

> same dietary and smoking and drinking habits as there parents did!

[Guest guest]

Wow, I only recently (like within the past week) became aware of Tetralogy

of Fallot reading a novel by Luanne Rice. The story of what this young girl

had to endure was heartbreaking (Summer's Child).

Lori

----- Original Message -----

From: " Dana Reale " <dana.reale@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 1:11 PM

Subject: Re: Re: New - I got a DIAGNOSIS!!

> It depends on what kind of heart stuff you're talking about I was born

> with a heart defect (congenetal heart disease - tetrology of fallot)

[Guest guest]

Wow, that's a coincidence

I did go through open heart surgery when I was large enough (5 years

of age), but overall my experience wasn't horrible at all, but at 5,

just being alive was enough. Thankfully I have always been a very

happy and positive person, more than likely because I understand that

I may not have lived past 9 or 10 not having had the surgery.

I used to love Ann Rice (is it the same Author??), so I might have to

look into that book!

On 12/11/05, Lori <skydanse@...> wrote:

> Wow, I only recently (like within the past week) became aware of Tetralogy

> of Fallot reading a novel by Luanne Rice. The story of what this young

> girl

> had to endure was heartbreaking (Summer's Child).

>

> Lori