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>>why the heck would you want your gbladder removed?

Flush and flush again.

That's exactly what I say, flush and flush again and keep doing it until

you're cleaned out. Try to save your GB. I lost mine and am soooooo sorry

that

I lost it. You're never the same again. Listen to the other ones talking

here, please.

Susie

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Finally ladies and gentleman, I REAL diagnosis, after 4 weeks, a month, feeling

like crap! I got a sonogram this morning, and Doc called me in the early

evening explaining that I have nice grainy slush in my gall bladder. Exactly

what I suspected. I have my HIDA scan coming up soon which should determine if

I have the " lazy " gallbladder type syndrome which accounts for the slushy

buildup. Most likely gall bladder removal shall take place, and I can tell the

majority of people on this group are not for the removal, but I think having a

non-productive gallbladder is a bit different than having stones that can be

passed. Correct me if I am wrong.

I just wanted to spread the morbid good news. I have been waiting and crying

every day wondering what my mystery illness was. I am not crazy! I was right!

Woo hoo!! I will keep everyone updated about the HIDA and how it goes.

Belskis <brian0017@...> wrote:

If money is not an issue and your fears are what dictates what you

do next then there is plenty of doctors ready to take your money for

a ticket on there rollar coaster ride of never ending health care

and side effects were each side effect dictates a name for a new

disease and more treatment to treat the synptoms caused by the side

effects of there last treatment.

As for me I did 3 liver/gallbladder flushes and choose to take

responsibilty for my health.

I did not get any test to determine if I have stones. Since I am a 33

year old american meat eater I know I already had stones I did drink

apple juice two weeks before my first flush as well did a bowel

cleanse to prepare for my first flush. Surprise Surprise stones

came out but according to the medical doctors they were not stones

but olive oil and epsom salt soap my liver made for me. Boy

does olive oil and epsom salt soap help digestion! So I guess I

just washed my liver with soap and everything is working ok now!

Taking pain pills to pass a stone is like removing the light bulb

in your car when the oil light comes on. Desolving the stone

makes it much easier to pass. But I know orthodox medicine has

there own ways of doing things. But is is entirely legal to refuse

treatment!

tina83862 wrote:

> Only problem here is that cheaper is not always safe. If she has a

> stuck stone in her kidney depending on the size it may not pass and

> it should therefore be decreased in size and that can mean trying

> different options.

>

> Most doctors will allow you to pass kidney stones unless they are

> very large---hubby had to take a lot of pain pills until his passed.

> But this is not every case.

>

> It's important to always have all the info before you risk your

> health and life!!!!And money should never been an issue!!!!!!

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Hi guys -

> > > >

> > > > This may get lengthy, but I need some insight from REAL people.

> > > >

> > > > One month ago exactly I went to the ER with severe and sudden

> > > > abdominal pains (in my right side and upper abdomin, right

> above

> > > my

> > > > belly button). After ruling out appendicitis, they kicked me

> to

> > > the

> > > > curb after finding a 2mm kidney stone sitting in my right

> kidney,

> > > > citing that as the primary problem.

> > > >

> > > > A week after that, still in pain, just not as severe, I went

> to a

> > > > urologist, who told me my pain was coming from what he thought

> may

> > > be

> > > > a ruptured ovarian cyst. Okkkay. Went to my gyno who simply

> > > > said, " If thats what he thinks it was, thats what it was " .

> Great.

> > > >

> > > > Two weeks after that, still in pain, and now the pain started

> > > moving

> > > > to my back, to right behind my right kidney. Go to a second

> > > > urologist for second opinion. He thinks I " pulled a muscle " .

> > > Sent

> > > > me for a second CT scan to see if my kidney stone was moving

> > > around

> > > > causing the pain. Of course it wasnt. Just sitting there,

> nice

> > > and

> > > > stuck.

> > > >

> > > > Now things are getting very bad. The pain radiated to below my

> > > right

> > > > shoulder blade, and for the past 3 days the pain has been so

> bad

> > > in

> > > > the center of my upper back that I can barely stand to sit at

> my

> > > > computer at work. I feel a pressure on my chest. Still having

> > > pains

> > > > on my right side/right back. I have lost 10 pounds (which can

> > > look

> > > > like a lot on someone that was originally only 120 pounds). I

> > > feal

> > > > nauseaus every day, I am crying every day. I feel [very

> badly -

> > > edited by moderator, please try and keep it clean .

> Thanks].

> > > Excuse my language. [no excuse needed if you keep it clean...]

> > > >

> > > > I go tomorrow for a sonogram, for whatever reason. I have

> spoken

> > > > with some friends who have had the gallbladder disease problems

> > > who

> > > > say I should have a HIDA scan done.

> > > >

> > > > I really just wanted to get some feedback from you guys - does

> > > this

> > > > sound gallbladder related? Like anythign you have gone

> through.

> > > >

> > > > I appreciate any advice and input.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Learn more from our experience, over 7.000 liver flush stories:

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> > > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=80

> > > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=100

> > > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=112

> > >

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> > >

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No! you can do the flush and keep the organ---So happy you found out

what is going on!!!!! always the best thing to do!!!!!

everyone here has sludge as well as stones--they go hand in hand!!!!

And it's best to flush them out and keep the organ---

think about what happens when you don't have the GB???

the crap goes into the liver

so do some homework before you do this!!!!!!!!!!!!

and this is not simple surgery without side effects and risks!!!!!!

A few easy flushes and you will feel so much better!!!!!!!!!

best luck whatever you decide---tina

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi guys -

> > > > >

> > > > > This may get lengthy, but I need some insight from REAL

people.

> > > > >

> > > > > One month ago exactly I went to the ER with severe and

sudden

> > > > > abdominal pains (in my right side and upper abdomin, right

> > above

> > > > my

> > > > > belly button). After ruling out appendicitis, they kicked

me

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > curb after finding a 2mm kidney stone sitting in my right

> > kidney,

> > > > > citing that as the primary problem.

> > > > >

> > > > > A week after that, still in pain, just not as severe, I

went

> > to a

> > > > > urologist, who told me my pain was coming from what he

thought

> > may

> > > > be

> > > > > a ruptured ovarian cyst. Okkkay. Went to my gyno who

simply

> > > > > said, " If thats what he thinks it was, thats what it was " .

> > Great.

> > > > >

> > > > > Two weeks after that, still in pain, and now the pain

started

> > > > moving

> > > > > to my back, to right behind my right kidney. Go to a

second

> > > > > urologist for second opinion. He thinks I " pulled a

muscle " .

> > > > Sent

> > > > > me for a second CT scan to see if my kidney stone was

moving

> > > > around

> > > > > causing the pain. Of course it wasnt. Just sitting there,

> > nice

> > > > and

> > > > > stuck.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now things are getting very bad. The pain radiated to

below my

> > > > right

> > > > > shoulder blade, and for the past 3 days the pain has been

so

> > bad

> > > > in

> > > > > the center of my upper back that I can barely stand to sit

at

> > my

> > > > > computer at work. I feel a pressure on my chest. Still

having

> > > > pains

> > > > > on my right side/right back. I have lost 10 pounds (which

can

> > > > look

> > > > > like a lot on someone that was originally only 120

pounds). I

> > > > feal

> > > > > nauseaus every day, I am crying every day. I feel [very

> > badly -

> > > > edited by moderator, please try and keep it clean .

> > Thanks].

> > > > Excuse my language. [no excuse needed if you keep it

clean...]

> > > > >

> > > > > I go tomorrow for a sonogram, for whatever reason. I have

> > spoken

> > > > > with some friends who have had the gallbladder disease

problems

> > > > who

> > > > > say I should have a HIDA scan done.

> > > > >

> > > > > I really just wanted to get some feedback from you guys -

does

> > > > this

> > > > > sound gallbladder related? Like anythign you have gone

> > through.

> > > > >

> > > > > I appreciate any advice and input.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Learn more from our experience, over 7.000 liver flush

stories:

> > > > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=4

> > > > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=80

> > > > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=100

> > > > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=112

> > > >

> > > > Liver Cleanse Recipe: http://CureZone.com/cleanse/liver/

> > > >

> > > > Liver Flush FAQ: http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73

> > > >

> > > > Images:

> > > > http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/cleanse_flush/

> > > > http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/intrahepatic_stones/

> > > >

> > > > To unsubscribe, send blank e-mail to:

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> > confirmation

> > > > message!

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> > > >

> > > > Web Sites for more information:

> > > > http://CureZone.org

> > > > http://www.liverdoctor.com/

> > > > http://www.sensiblehealth.com/

> > > > http://www.cyberpog.com/health/index.htm

> > > > http://www.relfe.com/gall_stone_cleanse.html

> > > > http://www.cleansingorsurgery.com/

> > > >

> > > > Group page: gallstones

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> > > >

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why the heck would you want your gbladder removed?

Flush and flush again.

--- " S. " <breakbeatmufugga@...> wrote:

> Finally ladies and gentleman, I REAL diagnosis,

> after 4 weeks, a month, feeling like crap! I got a

> sonogram this morning, and Doc called me in the

> early evening explaining that I have nice grainy

> slush in my gall bladder. Exactly what I suspected.

> I have my HIDA scan coming up soon which should

> determine if I have the " lazy " gallbladder type

> syndrome which accounts for the slushy buildup.

> Most likely gall bladder removal shall take place,

> and I can tell the majority of people on this group

> are not for the removal, but I think having a

> non-productive gallbladder is a bit different than

> having stones that can be passed. Correct me if I

> am wrong.

>

> I just wanted to spread the morbid good news. I

> have been waiting and crying every day wondering

> what my mystery illness was. I am not crazy! I was

> right! Woo hoo!! I will keep everyone updated about

> the HIDA and how it goes.

>

> Belskis <brian0017@...> wrote:

> If money is not an issue and your fears are

> what dictates what you

> do next then there is plenty of doctors ready to

> take your money for

> a ticket on there rollar coaster ride of never

> ending health care

> and side effects were each side effect dictates a

> name for a new

> disease and more treatment to treat the synptoms

> caused by the side

> effects of there last treatment.

>

> As for me I did 3 liver/gallbladder flushes and

> choose to take

> responsibilty for my health.

> I did not get any test to determine if I have

> stones. Since I am a 33

> year old american meat eater I know I already had

> stones I did drink

> apple juice two weeks before my first flush as well

> did a bowel

> cleanse to prepare for my first flush. Surprise

> Surprise stones

> came out but according to the medical doctors

> they were not stones

> but olive oil and epsom salt soap my liver

> made for me. Boy

> does olive oil and epsom salt soap help

> digestion! So I guess I

> just washed my liver with soap and everything is

> working ok now!

>

> Taking pain pills to pass a stone is like

> removing the light bulb

> in your car when the oil light comes on.

> Desolving the stone

> makes it much easier to pass. But I know

> orthodox medicine has

> there own ways of doing things. But is is entirely

> legal to refuse

> treatment!

>

>

>

>

> tina83862 wrote:

>

> > Only problem here is that cheaper is not always

> safe. If she has a

> > stuck stone in her kidney depending on the size it

> may not pass and

> > it should therefore be decreased in size and that

> can mean trying

> > different options.

> >

> > Most doctors will allow you to pass kidney stones

> unless they are

> > very large---hubby had to take a lot of pain pills

> until his passed.

> > But this is not every case.

> >

> > It's important to always have all the info before

> you risk your

> > health and life!!!!And money should never been an

> issue!!!!!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi guys -

> > > > >

> > > > > This may get lengthy, but I need some

> insight from REAL people.

> > > > >

> > > > > One month ago exactly I went to the ER with

> severe and sudden

> > > > > abdominal pains (in my right side and upper

> abdomin, right

> > above

> > > > my

> > > > > belly button). After ruling out

> appendicitis, they kicked me

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > curb after finding a 2mm kidney stone

> sitting in my right

> > kidney,

> > > > > citing that as the primary problem.

> > > > >

> > > > > A week after that, still in pain, just not

> as severe, I went

> > to a

> > > > > urologist, who told me my pain was coming

> from what he thought

> > may

> > > > be

> > > > > a ruptured ovarian cyst. Okkkay. Went to

> my gyno who simply

> > > > > said, " If thats what he thinks it was, thats

> what it was " .

> > Great.

> > > > >

> > > > > Two weeks after that, still in pain, and now

> the pain started

> > > > moving

> > > > > to my back, to right behind my right kidney.

> Go to a second

>

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,

Congratulations on a diagnosis. It isn't fun being sick, but it is nice to know

what is

causing the pain. I spent nearly all my 20's going to several doctors and most

of

them more or less told me it was all in my head. Grrrrrrrrr. I was too young and

skinny to fit the profile, so I was left un-diagnosed.

Every person and every situation is different. Make your decision on your gall

bladder

removal on the best information you have and then don't look back! No one person

has ALL the answers. Surgery is the best solution for some people. Others can

get

by with other solutions. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. :)

Please keep us informed.

Kathleen

On 8 Dec 2005 at 16:14, S. wrote:

> Finally ladies and gentleman, I REAL diagnosis, after 4 weeks, a month,

feeling like crap! I got a sonogram this morning, and Doc called me

> in the early evening explaining that I have nice grainy slush in my gall

bladder. Exactly what I suspected. I have my HIDA scan coming up

> soon which should determine if I have the " lazy " gallbladder type syndrome

which accounts for the slushy buildup. Most likely gall bladder

> removal shall take place, and I can tell the majority of people on this group

are not for the removal, but I think having a non-productive

> gallbladder is a bit different than having stones that can be passed. Correct

me if I am wrong.

>

> I just wanted to spread the morbid good news. I have been waiting and

crying every day wondering what my mystery illness was. I am not

> crazy! I was right! Woo hoo!! I will keep everyone updated about the HIDA and

how it goes.

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well unknowing to much of orthodox medicine our body has the ability

to heal

so there is no need for gallbladder removal just a little maintance

on our part.

Dr shultz even has testimoneys of stopping liver transplants and

kidney surgerys

by showing the patients how to give there body what it needs to heal.

If they take the gallbladder out a new one will not grow back and

your digestion will never be the same.

The liver flush takes about a few hours preparation and less

then $35.00 investment and a weekend of taking it easy to do it.

If I made a list of pro's and con's about having my gallblader

out verses doing a gallbladder flush I think I would have to

commit myself as being insane to have my gallbladder out but thats

just me.

Here is the procedure for doing a liver flush

http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp

Jay Grosflam wrote:

> why the heck would you want your gbladder removed?

> Flush and flush again.

>

> --- " S. " <breakbeatmufugga@...> wrote:

>

> > Finally ladies and gentleman, I REAL diagnosis,

> > after 4 weeks, a month, feeling like crap! I got a

> > sonogram this morning, and Doc called me in the

> > early evening explaining that I have nice grainy

> > slush in my gall bladder. Exactly what I suspected.

> > I have my HIDA scan coming up soon which should

> > determine if I have the " lazy " gallbladder type

> > syndrome which accounts for the slushy buildup.

> > Most likely gall bladder removal shall take place,

> > and I can tell the majority of people on this group

> > are not for the removal, but I think having a

> > non-productive gallbladder is a bit different than

> > having stones that can be passed. Correct me if I

> > am wrong.

> >

> > I just wanted to spread the morbid good news. I

> > have been waiting and crying every day wondering

> > what my mystery illness was. I am not crazy! I was

> > right! Woo hoo!! I will keep everyone updated about

> > the HIDA and how it goes.

> >

> > Belskis <brian0017@...> wrote:

> > If money is not an issue and your fears are

> > what dictates what you

> > do next then there is plenty of doctors ready to

> > take your money for

> > a ticket on there rollar coaster ride of never

> > ending health care

> > and side effects were each side effect dictates a

> > name for a new

> > disease and more treatment to treat the synptoms

> > caused by the side

> > effects of there last treatment.

> >

> > As for me I did 3 liver/gallbladder flushes and

> > choose to take

> > responsibilty for my health.

> > I did not get any test to determine if I have

> > stones. Since I am a 33

> > year old american meat eater I know I already had

> > stones I did drink

> > apple juice two weeks before my first flush as well

> > did a bowel

> > cleanse to prepare for my first flush. Surprise

> > Surprise stones

> > came out but according to the medical doctors

> > they were not stones

> > but olive oil and epsom salt soap my liver

> > made for me. Boy

> > does olive oil and epsom salt soap help

> > digestion! So I guess I

> > just washed my liver with soap and everything is

> > working ok now!

> >

> > Taking pain pills to pass a stone is like

> > removing the light bulb

> > in your car when the oil light comes on.

> > Desolving the stone

> > makes it much easier to pass. But I know

> > orthodox medicine has

> > there own ways of doing things. But is is entirely

> > legal to refuse

> > treatment!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > tina83862 wrote:

> >

> > > Only problem here is that cheaper is not always

> > safe. If she has a

> > > stuck stone in her kidney depending on the size it

> > may not pass and

> > > it should therefore be decreased in size and that

> > can mean trying

> > > different options.

> > >

> > > Most doctors will allow you to pass kidney stones

> > unless they are

> > > very large---hubby had to take a lot of pain pills

> > until his passed.

> > > But this is not every case.

> > >

> > > It's important to always have all the info before

> > you risk your

> > > health and life!!!!And money should never been an

> > issue!!!!!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi guys -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This may get lengthy, but I need some

> > insight from REAL people.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One month ago exactly I went to the ER with

> > severe and sudden

> > > > > > abdominal pains (in my right side and upper

> > abdomin, right

> > > above

> > > > > my

> > > > > > belly button). After ruling out

> > appendicitis, they kicked me

> > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > curb after finding a 2mm kidney stone

> > sitting in my right

> > > kidney,

> > > > > > citing that as the primary problem.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A week after that, still in pain, just not

> > as severe, I went

> > > to a

> > > > > > urologist, who told me my pain was coming

> > from what he thought

> > > may

> > > > > be

> > > > > > a ruptured ovarian cyst. Okkkay. Went to

> > my gyno who simply

> > > > > > said, " If thats what he thinks it was, thats

> > what it was " .

> > > Great.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Two weeks after that, still in pain, and now

> > the pain started

> > > > > moving

> > > > > > to my back, to right behind my right kidney.

> > Go to a second

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

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can you tell us what it the difference without? It would be

interesting to know what it is like living without the GB!!!!

>

>

> >>why the heck would you want your gbladder removed?

> Flush and flush again.

>

>

> That's exactly what I say, flush and flush again and keep doing it

until

> you're cleaned out. Try to save your GB. I lost mine and am

soooooo sorry that

> I lost it. You're never the same again. Listen to the other

ones talking

> here, please.

>

> Susie

>

>

>

>

>

>

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,

Congratulations! You have some info that you can use.

You are correct that on this list our goal is to save our organs

without surgery to remove them. You are incorrect that a sick,

diseased, or underachieving gall bladder is in need of removal. Your

gall bladder is in need of healing. Diet, herbs that target the liver

and gall bladder, and yes: flushing will help your gall bladder

without surgery.

Your battle is now two fold: a physical one to fix your gall bladder

before it gets worse, and a pschological battle to take responsibility

for your health after a lifetime of delegating that responsibility to

" experts " who have ONLY drugs and surgery in thier arsenal against

illness. The psychological battle can be harder for some, and the

battle to heal the gall bladder can be harder for others. Rest

assured they are both to be reconned with, but are winnable.

I am glad for your diagnosis, and hope and pray you will find relief

in a way with which will be satisfied for the rest of your life. The

desicions you make in the very near future will have ramifications for

the good or bad for your overall health from now on.

Best Regards,

Vince

>

> Finally ladies and gentleman, I REAL diagnosis, after 4 weeks, a

month, feeling like crap! I got a sonogram this morning, and Doc

called me in the early evening explaining that I have nice grainy

slush in my gall bladder. Exactly what I suspected. I have my HIDA

scan coming up soon which should determine if I have the " lazy "

gallbladder type syndrome which accounts for the slushy buildup. Most

likely gall bladder removal shall take place, and I can tell the

majority of people on this group are not for the removal, but I think

having a non-productive gallbladder is a bit different than having

stones that can be passed. Correct me if I am wrong.

>

> I just wanted to spread the morbid good news. I have been waiting

and crying every day wondering what my mystery illness was. I am not

crazy! I was right! Woo hoo!! I will keep everyone updated about the

HIDA and how it goes.

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To answer your question - because I am dying from it. :)

Jay Grosflam <jgrosflam@...> wrote: why the heck would you want your

gbladder removed?

Flush and flush again.

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Vince - First, thank you! Second, I've got a question for you and the others

on the list. I understand that flushing the liver and gallbladder will help to

cleanse them and rid people of sludge/stones at least temporarily. However, if

I have a " lazy " gallbladder, like they say, wont this sludge just build back up?

My point is, while flushing literally flushes the organs, how would it help an

unproductive gallbladder that works at less than 50% of what it should?

Vince Richter <new_man85@...> wrote:

" Your

gall bladder is in need of healing. "

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I don't know the difference, as I have my gallbladder. But I can tell

you that once a woman stayed at my house for 3 months. She was only 34

years old and had her GB removed. She would, excuse my language, sit

and expell these long farts that would go on for SEVERAL MINUTES, not

seconds. If that had anything to do with her GB being removed, I can

tell you that I sure wouldn't want mine removed.

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no you are not dying from it - slightly dramatic?

" S. " <breakbeatmufugga@...> wrote: To answer your question -

because I am dying from it. :)

Jay Grosflam <jgrosflam@...> wrote: why the heck would you want your

gbladder removed?

Flush and flush again.

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Hi ,

You asked, so I must. Gall bladders don't produce, they store. They are

the chipmunk cheek of the liver. They are a bladder with involuntary smooth

muscle. Other smooth muscle in the body: Colon ( " lazy " muscle -no poop),

Stomach ( " lazy " muscle -no digest), arteries ( " lazy " muscle -no live). This is

a very important organ to retain if possible. Can you live without your

gallbladder? Very well, but it performs some very important functions.

Evolution does not create as many vestigial physiologies as medicine might think

(if you think that your coccyx is a vestigial tail, talk to someone who has

broken it or, God forbid, had it surgically removed.). God would not have

created man with an organ that did not have a vital purpose. It is so highly

respected in Chinese medicine that it governs a whole meridian network.

It has been working for you all your life. It is getting sick and tired

(most likely from neglect). Grainy slush is far easier to expel than stones.

You are in the perfect position to keep the little workhorse. Feed it right,

keep it's stall clean, exercise it, rub it down with oil (castor) and tell it

how much you appreciate the work it has already done for you. Let it know that

from this day forward you will treat it with the love and respect it deserves.

Take this as a great big wake-up call from a friendly universe or a loving God.

Watch your life blossom.

Save yourself the cold experience of a HIDA, read the archives. Please

take note of the description of how people's lives have changed through this

experience which are seemingly unrelated to their gallbladders. You can always

do the HIDA and/or have your gallbladder removed later if you so choose.

Always, in all ways, -Dave

>

> Finally ladies and gentleman, I REAL diagnosis, after 4 weeks, a

month, feeling like crap! I got a sonogram this morning, and Doc

called me in the early evening explaining that I have nice grainy

slush in my gall bladder. Exactly what I suspected. I have my HIDA

scan coming up soon which should determine if I have the " lazy "

gallbladder type syndrome which accounts for the slushy buildup. Most

likely gall bladder removal shall take place, and I can tell the

majority of people on this group are not for the removal, but I think

having a non-productive gallbladder is a bit different than having

stones that can be passed. Correct me if I am wrong.

>

> I just wanted to spread the morbid good news. I have been waiting

and crying every day wondering what my mystery illness was. I am not

crazy! I was right! Woo hoo!! I will keep everyone updated about the

HIDA and how it goes.

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A few initial flushes won't cure everything - it seems that people

continue to do these for most of their lives.

The sludge might build back up, but you should flush it out with

regular cleansings.

On 12/9/05, S. <breakbeatmufugga@...> wrote:

> Vince - First, thank you! Second, I've got a question for you and the

> others on the list. I understand that flushing the liver and gallbladder

> will help to cleanse them and rid people of sludge/stones at least

> temporarily. However, if I have a " lazy " gallbladder, like they say, wont

> this sludge just build back up? My point is, while flushing literally

> flushes the organs, how would it help an unproductive gallbladder that works

> at less than 50% of what it should?

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So basically the cleanses would not cure the lack of productivity of my

gallbladder, but would help with the cleansing and ultimately the pain

associated with the sludge in the inactive gallbladder?

Dana Reale <dana.reale@...> wrote: A few initial flushes won't cure

everything - it seems that people

continue to do these for most of their lives.

The sludge might build back up, but you should flush it out with

regular cleansings.

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The flushes my help with the productivity, but I honestly can't say

one way or the other :) I'm totally new at this, and just gearing up

for my first flush.

But in my reading, the flushes help with a lot of things, first and

foremost the pain associated with stones and/or sludge. It also seems

to help with energy levels, and general wellbeing.

As I was told, it would be much cheaper to spend $5 and give it a try,

than go through surgery and still have problems afterwards.

On 12/9/05, S. <breakbeatmufugga@...> wrote:

> So basically the cleanses would not cure the lack of productivity of my

> gallbladder, but would help with the cleansing and ultimately the pain

> associated with the sludge in the inactive gallbladder?

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I'm going to take a stab at the explanation here. I may not make it as

clear as some of you can, but I'll try.

When your g/b is full of anything (sludge, stones, etc.) it cannot contract

as it is supposed to so that it can squirt bile out to aid digestion. When

the gallbladder is emptied of sludge, stones, etc. (via a flush), it can

contract as it should. For example, when I have a baby, the contractions

are pretty hard, but once my uterus is empty, the contractions are much more

severe and longer b/c it can contract down so much more. The baby inside my

uterus only allows it to contract so much. When the g/b is full of stuff it

shouldn't have in it, it cannot contract down as it should.

So, once you've emptied your g/b of sludge and stones, it should be able to

function normally, i.e., make enough bile and squirt it out as needed to

allow for proper digestion and help the intestinal lining impervious to

yeast, parasites, bacteria, etc. I, too, have a " lazy " g/b, but through

cleansing and proper eating habits, I've been able to jump start my g/b out

of complacency.

Tara

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So basically the cleanses would not cure the lack of productivity of my

gallbladder, but would help with the cleansing and ultimately the pain

associated with the sludge in the inactive gallbladder?

Dana Reale <dana.reale@...> wrote: A few initial flushes won't cure

everything - it seems that people

continue to do these for most of their lives.

The sludge might build back up, but you should flush it out with

regular cleansings.

- S.

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Tara - that was a great explanation, thank you! I guess now it is up to me to

decide which route I am going to take. I do not really feel comfortable with

either, so I will continue to do more research until I do feel comfortable.

Thanks again, to everyone who has posted such great information. I appreciate

it!

filumena <fil@...> wrote:

I'm going to take a stab at the explanation here. I may not make it as

clear as some of you can, but I'll try.

When your g/b is full of anything (sludge, stones, etc.) it cannot contract

as it is supposed to so that it can squirt bile out to aid digestion. When

the gallbladder is emptied of sludge, stones, etc. (via a flush), it can

contract as it should. For example, when I have a baby, the contractions

are pretty hard, but once my uterus is empty, the contractions are much more

severe and longer b/c it can contract down so much more. The baby inside my

uterus only allows it to contract so much. When the g/b is full of stuff it

shouldn't have in it, it cannot contract down as it should.

So, once you've emptied your g/b of sludge and stones, it should be able to

function normally, i.e., make enough bile and squirt it out as needed to

allow for proper digestion and help the intestinal lining impervious to

yeast, parasites, bacteria, etc. I, too, have a " lazy " g/b, but through

cleansing and proper eating habits, I've been able to jump start my g/b out

of complacency.

Tara

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Hi, :

I sure share some of the same exact symptoms as you do. I had my GB out in

June of 2003, and wish that I had saved it. I had tried to save it for many

years. And pancreatitis was what sent me to the hospital, but I decided to

go ahead and have my GB out even though it was finally cleaned of stones.

Recently I did buy some Beta Plus and seems that it's helped somewhat, but

I'll never be the same again. Oh, I haven't cleansed since I had my GB out,

so maybe it's time to do it again.

Susie

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If farting for two minutes is the worst to come of removing my gallbladder,

bring it on ;)

" R. " <mrfrank@...> wrote: I don't know the difference, as I have

my gallbladder. But I can tell

you that once a woman stayed at my house for 3 months. She was only 34

years old and had her GB removed. She would, excuse my language, sit

and expell these long farts that would go on for SEVERAL MINUTES, not

seconds. If that had anything to do with her GB being removed, I can

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It wasn't just two minutes. Eat fart was two minutes, but the farting

went on for long periods of time, sometimes hours. Personally, I can't

stand farting repeatedly. It's really uncomfortable, not to mention how

people around you feel.

S. wrote:

> If farting for two minutes is the worst to come of removing my

> gallbladder, bring it on ;)

>

>

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Jay - I usually weigh 120 pounds and I am 5'7, so I am thin to begin with.

Being doubled over in pain every day constantly for over a month and not being

able to stomach anything but water has me down to almost 105 pounds, I have dark

circles under my eyes, zero energy, and my mental stability is very shaky at

this point. Maybe I was being slightly dramatic and a bit fesicous, forgive me,

but you asked the question of why anyone would want to get rid of their

gallbladder, and I gave my honest answer. Maybe since you are in decent health

right now (forgive me if I am wrong) you forget what it is like to suffer for

weeks on end. Although I may not be " dying " , I sure feel like it at times. And

that is why I am doing as much research as possible, so that I can be aware of

all forms of treatment.

Jay Grosflam <jgrosflam@...> wrote:

no you are not dying from it - slightly dramatic?

" S. " <breakbeatmufugga@...> wrote: To answer your question -

because I am dying from it. :)

Jay Grosflam <jgrosflam@...> wrote: why the heck would you want your

gbladder removed?

Flush and flush again.

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Everyone has a different type of pain capacitiy and I will tell you

right now go get the epsom salts and mix it will any kind of juice

and get it down---at least one tablespoon. That will GREATLY relieve

pain so you can think clearly.

READ all I sent---having it removed is just not gas---but many have

losse stools everyday of their life (some have to wear diapers)---

not to mention bile acids will drip into your intestines and cause

even more problems such as cancer--in long term cases---not all of

course but the possiblity is enough for me to keep searching for

easier flushes to do and keep me flushing. (4 already)

If you have surgery and don't change your diet that got you sick in

the first place than no matter what you do you will have other

problems. And this is very true---

and it doesn't matter your size---it's your body lipid level that

counts.

hubby sees many a skinny man with heart disease!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I am not heavy myself so it's a total falsehood that only

overweight people have GB disease.

MANY have it and are thin and underweight---it's your bodies ablity

to clean itself out !!!!

and many of this is also age related---hormonal as well!!!!!!!

affecting 4 times more woman than men---

tina

why the heck would you want

your gbladder removed?

> Flush and flush again.

>

>

>

> - S.

>

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,

Obviously you have made your mind up to get it out. I'm not sure why

you have come to this forum if you had already made up your mind.

I have had my gallbladder out and deeply regret. The pain is still with

me, not as sharp but still there all the time, when I am not cleansing.

I can not eat just anything any more. I have performed 10-12 liver

flushes since last summer and am now feeling a lot better. I believe

that cleansing is the answer to the gallbladder/liver plague and wish

that I never had mine removed. My liver now drips bile all the time

after a meal and diarrhea has become my incessant sidekick. I have

passed a couple of stones from my liver a couple of years ago before I

started flushing again. That was a little painful as I was not prepared

with the epsom salts. The pain radiated from my ribcage to my back and

shoulder blade or down my arm. It feels like my back is constantly

tired but that is just the liver and bile ducts talking. When I do my

flushes I can immediately tell the difference until the pain creeps

back. I still dump sludge when it is long time between flushes as it

now is just stored in the liver as the gallbladder so there is really no

change from before the surgery to after except I don't have the actual

gallbladder attacks. If I only knew then what I know now I would never

had agreed to it.

G Murray

S. wrote:

>If farting for two minutes is the worst to come of removing my gallbladder,

bring it on ;)

>

> " R. " <mrfrank@...> wrote: I don't know the difference, as I

have my gallbladder. But I can tell

>you that once a woman stayed at my house for 3 months. She was only 34

>years old and had her GB removed. She would, excuse my language, sit

>and expell these long farts that would go on for SEVERAL MINUTES, not

>seconds. If that had anything to do with her GB being removed, I can

>

>

>

>- S.

>

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