Re: Re: Pigs thyroid

[Guest guest]

Could it be this article? -> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/jewish/

Barbara

On 06/02/2008, ankhansata <winn@...> wrote:

> > Although this lady has not told me what her religion is, I believe

> she could be Jewish or Arabic because of her name. I am sure that I

> have heard that under circumstances where Armour is the only medication

> that will give a patient back their health, they are allowed to break

> this rule. Do we have anybody on the forum who is Jewish or Arabic who

> can tell me if, under such circumstances, a patient would be given a

> special dispensation by the local religious leader and allow her to

> take Armour?

[Guest guest]

I think you'll find it's because it's the closest mimic to the human

version of the hormone. Possibly sheep or cow extract wouldn't be

close enough to work on us.

Barbara

On 06/02/2008, Rosiebint <rosie@...> wrote:

> I do wonder why it is pig's thyroid that we use, especially since there

> are so many who can't or won't have it.

[Guest guest]

Barbara

There is a bovine (beef) thyroid extract that is available. Have not researched into its effectiveness.

Luv

Re: Re: Pigs thyroid

I think you'll find it's because it's the closest mimic to the humanversion of the hormone. Possibly sheep or cow extract wouldn't beclose enough to work on us.BarbaraOn 06/02/2008, Rosiebint <rosie@....co.uk> wrote:> I do wonder why it is pig's thyroid that we use, especially since there> are so many who can't or won't have it.

[Guest guest]

The trouble is that is someone is so against Pig on religious grounds they will also be against the way it is slaughtered. In both the Jewish and Muslim religion the animal has to be slaughtered a special way (Kosher or Halal). So there could be difficulties there even if Cow or Sheep.

If T3 or T4 have to be added I presume that will be synthetic T3 / T4 but some people cannot tolerate synthetic, so that defeats the object of natural.

Lilian

I wonder if there is a gap in the market for something like, say, sheep's thyroid with added T3 (assuming that natural sheep's thyroid doesn't have enough T3 in it for us. Or, if it does, then added T4).

[Guest guest]

Does there not come a point, though, where one's own health would

supercede the usual rules on Kosher/Halal slaughtering?

Presumably if that article from STTM about the Jewish lady is

accurate, her religious leaders had no issue with the slaughtering

process.

But I can see what you mean. It wouldn't necessarily be a true

alternative to pigs' thyroid extract.

Barbara

On 06/02/2008, Lilian15-googlemail <lilian.swallow@...> wrote:

> The trouble is that is someone is so against Pig on religious grounds they

will also be against the way it is slaughtered. In both the Jewish and Muslim

religion the animal has to be slaughtered a special way (Kosher or Halal). So

there could be difficulties there even if Cow or Sheep.

[Guest guest]

I did say that in the Jewish religion one CAN have anything which is for the sake of one's health. It is the people themselves who are ignorant of the fact - or are fanatical about it. Same as fasting, it says that if it is detrimental to your health or if you are young or old you should not fast, but there are some who still do regardless. That is not the religion, that is the person.

So if they are going to be so adamant about not wanting pig thyroid because it is not kosher then unkosher lamb or cow would be the same, to them it would be all unkosher.

Lilian

Does there not come a point, though, where one's own health wouldsupercede the usual rules on Kosher/Halal slaughtering?

[Guest guest]

Pigs thyroid is extremely superior and is the ONLY desiccated thyroid extract that has been approved by the FDA and that the MHRA accepts can be prescribed in the UK. There is other thyroid extract that can be used and I have heard both good and bad reports about it, but if I wasn't allowed to touch pig, then I would certainly be more than tempted by the other animal thyroid.

Luv - Sheila

I do wonder why it is pig's thyroid that we use, especially since there are so many who can't or won't have it.Why not cow or sheep? Is pig thyroid so very superior?I wonder if there is a gap in the market for something like, say, sheep's thyroid with added T3 (assuming that natural sheep's thyroid doesn't have enough T3 in it for us. Or, if it does, then added T4).Rosie

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[Guest guest]

Hi RosieMy armour usually comes in a sealed tub. Have they sent you someone else's order. Carol X Re: Pigs thyroid

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> The trouble is that is someone is so against Pig on religious

> grounds they will also be against the way it is slaughtered. In

> both the Jewish and Muslim religion the animal has to be

> slaughtered a special way (Kosher or Halal). So there could be

> difficulties there even if Cow or Sheep.

It's an obstacle, but it could be done.

> If T3 or T4 have to be added I presume that will be synthetic T3 /

> T4 but some people cannot tolerate synthetic, so that defeats the

> object of natural.

Yebbut that's no different from the situation at present. If you

can't/won't have pig then you must have synthetics, whether or not

they agree with you.

I was just thinking that Armour's efficacy is often ascribed to its

T2, T1 & calcitonin content, which synthetics don't have but natural

cow or sheep's thyroid might (do they?). And if the T4/T3 balance in

cow or sheep isn't quite right for the individual, then they could

add T4 or T3 till they find their own sweet spot, just as people do

right now with Armour.

Rosie

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[Guest guest]

Sorry meant for someone else...lolu Carol X Re: Pigs thyroid

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> The trouble is that is someone is so against Pig on religious

> grounds they will also be against the way it is slaughtered. In

> both the Jewish and Muslim religion the animal has to be

> slaughtered a special way (Kosher or Halal). So there could be

> difficulties there even if Cow or Sheep.

It's an obstacle, but it could be done.

> If T3 or T4 have to be added I presume that will be synthetic T3 /

> T4 but some people cannot tolerate synthetic, so that defeats the

> object of natural.

Yebbut that's no different from the situation at present. If you

can't/won't have pig then you must have synthetics, whether or not

they agree with you.

I was just thinking that Armour's efficacy is often ascribed to its

T2, T1 & calcitonin content, which synthetics don't have but natural

cow or sheep's thyroid might (do they?). And if the T4/T3 balance in

cow or sheep isn't quite right for the individual, then they could

add T4 or T3 till they find their own sweet spot, just as people do

right now with Armour.

Rosie

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