Re: My consult with Dr. Brownstein

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, I'm glad you finally had your consult. I hope you'll continue to keep us posted on how everything goes.

Am I correct in assuming you were on the 2-1/2 grains of Armour before, and he is maintaining you on that? So the big change is to add the 50 mg Iodoral? He didn't put you on any magnesium or Vitamin C? Did he mention any things to watch for with respect to the Iodoral?

Did he test you for bromide?

I assume your tests showed low progesterone, testosterone, cortisol, and iron, as well as low iodine? What about your estrogen?

Zoe

Had my phone consultation with Dr. Brownstein this morning.

I am VERY low in Iodine - got distracted and didn't ask for my numbers. I will be starting on 50 mg of Iodoral today. I am also taking 2 1/2 grains of ARMOUR. I do not have a thyroid and was dx'd with thyroid cancer 6 years ago.

He has also added progesterone/testosterone cream from a compounding pharmacy, 10,000 IU of Vitamin D, Sunflax Oil (for essential fatty acids), pregnenalone and DHEA for adrenal support and an herbal supplement for low Ferritine levels.

I also have to go for a 2 hour blood sugar test to find out if I am insulin resistant as my fasting glucose level was elevated but my triglycerides were not high.

I have another office appointment in April and we will review more labs then. Not sure what he is sending but he is sending more stuff to be checked after I start on all this.

B

[Guest guest]

I realize Dr. Brownstein is considered an expert but I encourage you to

research the long-term effects of hormone creams. They are good quick fixes

but can have devastating long-term consequences. If you MUST have hormone

replacement please consider sublingual -- won't store in your fat tissue for

years on end causing hormone resistance, hormone spikes and pituitary

feedback loop loss. Also, please keep in mind that any hormone cream you put

on your skin will be absorbed by whomever touches that part of your skin,

such as spouse or children, and will cause them imbalances.

Elaine

> , I'm glad you finally had your consult. I hope you'll continue to

> keep us posted on how everything goes.

>

> Am I correct in assuming you were on the 2-1/2 grains of Armour before, and he

> is maintaining you on that? So the big change is to add the 50 mg Iodoral?

> He didn't put you on any magnesium or Vitamin C? Did he mention any things to

> watch for with respect to the Iodoral?

>

> Did he test you for bromide?

>

> I assume your tests showed low progesterone, testosterone, cortisol, and iron,

> as well as low iodine? What about your estrogen?

>

> Zoe

>

>

> Had my phone consultation with Dr. Brownstein this morning.

>

> I am VERY low in Iodine - got distracted and didn't ask for my numbers. I

> will be starting on 50 mg of Iodoral today. I am also taking 2 1/2 grains of

> ARMOUR. I do not have a thyroid and was dx'd with thyroid cancer 6 years ago.

>

> He has also added progesterone/testosterone cream from a compounding

> pharmacy, 10,000 IU of Vitamin D, Sunflax Oil (for essential fatty acids),

> pregnenalone and DHEA for adrenal support and an herbal supplement for low

> Ferritine levels.

>

> I also have to go for a 2 hour blood sugar test to find out if I am insulin

> resistant as my fasting glucose level was elevated but my triglycerides were

> not high.

>

> I have another office appointment in April and we will review more labs

> then. Not sure what he is sending but he is sending more stuff to be checked

> after I start on all this.

>

> B

>

[Guest guest]

Elaine,

Would you please provide documentation for this assertion.

Thanks, Lynne

Elaine writes:

>

> I realize Dr. Brownstein is considered an expert but I encourage you

to

> research the long-term effects of hormone creams. They are good quick

fixes

> but can have devastating long-term consequences.

[Guest guest]

There is too much of it, sorry. I'll refrain from these sorts of comments in

the future.

Elaine

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> From: lynne2349 <Lynne234923@...>

> Reply-<iodine >

> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 01:20:41 -0000

> <iodine >

> Subject: Re: My consult with Dr. Brownstein

>

>

> Elaine,

>

> Would you please provide documentation for this assertion.

>

> Thanks, Lynne

>

> Elaine writes:

>>

>> I realize Dr. Brownstein is considered an expert but I encourage you

> to

>> research the long-term effects of hormone creams. They are good quick

> fixes

>> but can have devastating long-term consequences.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>>>I realize Dr. Brownstein is considered an expert but I encourage you toresearch the long-term effects of hormone creams. They are good quick fixesbut can have devastating long-term consequences. If you MUST have hormonereplacement please consider sublingual -- won't store in your fat tissue foryears on end causing hormone resistance, hormone spikes and pituitaryfeedback loop loss.<<<

Even natural hormones??? These are from a compounding pharmacy. They are low dosages too.

Thanks for giving me a heads up though.

Buist

[Guest guest]

Hi, I just joined this group.

IMO this is the usual hormone misinformation and testing really confuses the issue. I would just be dead without hormones. I have absolutely no probs with hormone creams and used them for several years.

Gracia

>>>>I realize Dr. Brownstein is considered an expert but I encourage you toresearch the long-term effects of hormone creams. They are good quick fixesbut can have devastating long-term consequences. If you MUST have hormonereplacement please consider sublingual -- won't store in your fat tissue foryears on end causing hormone resistance, hormone spikes and pituitaryfeedback loop loss.<<<

Even natural hormones??? These are from a compounding pharmacy. They are low dosages too.

Thanks for giving me a heads up though.

Buist

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You do realize that Wyeth (big pharma) is trying to close down compounding pharmacies and this might be part of the misinformation campaign? I use cortef and 7-keto DHEA for adrenals, but could not get by without progesterone, estrogen and testosterone.

GraciaYes, especially natural hormones. I was at a seminar all weekend looking atlab panels of pre-menopausal women who had been on natural hormone creams inthe past. Not the final word, just a heads up for something to look into. Iread Brownstein's book on natural hormones just before going to this seminarso it was quite something to have these two philosophies collide. Theseminar speaker said hormone creams seem like a miracle at first, but youhave to look at what happens six months or more later. Safer to address theunderlying causes of the imbalance (adrenals!).Elaine-- "> Even natural hormones??? These are from a compounding pharmacy. They are low> dosages too.

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[Guest guest]

Gracia, are you pre or post menopausal? With menopausal, post-menopause it

is less of an issue.

Elaine

> IMO this is the usual hormone misinformation and testing really confuses the

> issue. I would just be dead without hormones. I have absolutely no probs

> with hormone creams and used them for several years.

> Gracia

>

[Guest guest]

My information is coming from natural docs who do not work with big pharms.

But my hunch is that it's coming down to clinical experience at this point

and we won't see published long-term info for some while.

Elaine

--

> You do realize that Wyeth (big pharma) is trying to close down compounding

> pharmacies and this might be part of the misinformation campaign? I use

> cortef and 7-keto DHEA for adrenals, but could not get by without

> progesterone, estrogen and testosterone.

> Gracia

>

[Guest guest]

" I also have to go for a 2 hour blood sugar test to find out if I am insulin

resistant as my fasting glucose level was elevated but my triglycerides were

not high. "

Can you explain the connection between these two? Is one *not* insulin

resistant if glucose is high and triglycerides are aslo high? What were

these numbers for you?

Mine were 102 glucose and 139 Tri-s. I don't know what that means.

Jane

[Guest guest]

Hi Elaine

I am 58 years old, post meno, and I would have died at around age 50 if I hadn't started treating myself. I had an unnecessary partial thyoidectomy at age 22 and then no thyroid meds, which really destroyed my life. I needed to put my endocrine system back together with hormones and am just now using Iodoral 50mg/day. I have high regard for Thierry Hertoghe MD who wrote Hormone Solutions, and as he points out, we should be evaluated throughout life for hormone imbalances. IMO hormones just work wonders pre and post, I see no reason to be afraid of them. The testing however is ridiculous. And I have been to NDs who were quite stupid about hormones.

Gracia

Gracia, are you pre or post menopausal? With menopausal, post-menopause itis less of an issue.Elaine

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Dear Gracia, It's such a joy to see you on this list. You are such a sweetheart. I was on another list with you (under another email account that I am unable to access). Your advice and words of wisdom were always an inspiration! It was a thyroid list. What is the name of it so I can rejoin it? You were such a help to me with my adrenal/thyroid/hormone issues! I am still taking the Cortef you recommended, but decreased the dose since my insomnia is improving somewhat. Do you think this is a good thing to do? How many mgs of iodine are in the 50 mg of Iodoral you are taking? Again, I am SO happy to see you again! You are a wonderful warrior women! Infinite Love & Admiration, PamelaGracia <circe@...> wrote: Hi Elaine I am 58 years old, post meno, and I would have died at around age 50 if I hadn't started treating myself. I had an unnecessary partial thyoidectomy at age 22 and then no thyroid meds, which really destroyed my life. I needed to put my endocrine system back together with hormones and am just now using Iodoral 50mg/day. I have high regard for Thierry Hertoghe MD who wrote Hormone Solutions, and as he points out, we should be evaluated throughout life for hormone imbalances. IMO hormones just work wonders pre and post, I see no reason to be afraid of them. The testing however is ridiculous. And I have been to NDs who were quite stupid about hormones. Gracia

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[Guest guest]

Well, I'm glad your better. But please realize we are all different and what

heals one could sicken another. I think if someone has the wherewithal to

address the reasons for their hormone imbalance then they should do that

first.

Elaine

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> Hi Elaine

> I am 58 years old, post meno, and I would have died at around age 50 if I

> hadn't started treating myself. I had an unnecessary partial thyoidectomy at

> age 22 and then no thyroid meds, which really destroyed my life. I needed

> to put my endocrine system back together with hormones and am just now using

> Iodoral 50mg/day. I have high regard for Thierry Hertoghe MD who wrote

> Hormone Solutions, and as he points out, we should be evaluated throughout

> life for hormone imbalances. IMO hormones just work wonders pre and post, I

> see no reason to be afraid of them. The testing however is ridiculous. And

> I have been to NDs who were quite stupid about hormones.

> Gracia

[Guest guest]

Thanks so very much Pamela, I am glad you are doing well. Actually I am on thyroid and hypothyroidism I was still having symptoms of hypothyroidism so I decided to check out higher dose iodine. I think Zoe popped up on thyroid list and inspired me to try Iodoral. I come from iodine deficient Great Lakes region (Buffalo NY) and my mother and four sisters all have major health probs (mostly mental).

I love the cortef at 5mg 4X a day. I think 20mg/day is what Jefferies recommends and it's completely safe but you can go by how you feel. I guess some peeps do OK on 2.5mg 4X a day too.

Iodoral has 12.5mg iodine/iodide per tab. I have been taking 2 tabs 2X a day. I think it is helping, although I am a bit brain fogged at times.

Gracia

Dear Gracia,It's such a joy to see you on this list. You are such a sweetheart. I was on another list with you (under another email account that I am unable to access). Your advice and words of wisdom were always an inspiration! It was a thyroid list. What is the name of it so I can rejoin it?You were such a help to me with my adrenal/thyroid/hormone issues! I am still taking the Cortef you recommended, but decreased the dose since my insomnia is improving somewhat. Do you think this is a good thing to do?How many mgs of iodine are in the 50 mg of Iodoral you are taking?Again, I am SO happy to see you again! You are a wonderful warrior women!Infinite Love & Admiration,PamelaGracia <circe@...> wrote:

Hi Elaine

I am 58 years old, post meno, and I would have died at around age 50 if I hadn't started treating myself. I had an unnecessary partial thyoidectomy at age 22 and then no thyroid meds, which really destroyed my life. I needed to put my endocrine system back together with hormones and am just now using Iodoral 50mg/day. I have high regard for Thierry Hertoghe MD who wrote Hormone Solutions, and as he points out, we should be evaluated throughout life for hormone imbalances. IMO hormones just work wonders pre and post, I see no reason to be afraid of them. The testing however is ridiculous. And I have been to NDs who were quite stupid about hormones.

Gracia

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Dear Gracia, Wow, 50 mg of iodine a day. I am taking a much more conservative approach. I am taking 3 drops of Iosol which is about 5.5 mg of iodine a day. I also come from iodine deficient Great Lakes region (Erie, PA). I am going to up my Cortef again. It's nice to see you winning with it. Love, PamelaGracia <circe@...> wrote: Thanks so very much Pamela, I am glad you are doing well. Actually I am on thyroid and hypothyroidism I was still having symptoms of hypothyroidism so I decided to check out higher dose iodine. I think Zoe popped up on thyroid list and inspired me to try Iodoral. I come from iodine deficient Great Lakes region (Buffalo NY) and my mother and four sisters all have major health probs (mostly mental). I love the cortef at 5mg 4X a day. I think 20mg/day is what Jefferies recommends and it's completely safe but

you can go by how you feel. I guess some peeps do OK on 2.5mg 4X a day too. Iodoral has 12.5mg iodine/iodide per tab. I have been taking 2 tabs 2X a day. I think it is helping, although I am a bit brain fogged at times. Gracia

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,

Did you discuss why he prefers pregnenolone + DHEA over Cortef?

Just curious.

Thanks

Jingles

> Yes I was low on Progesterone, Testosterone and Iron. He does not

test Cortisol. He tests Pregnanolone and DHEA as a determination of

low adrenal function. Yes I was low on those too. My Estrogen was

borderline so we are waiting until I get on the stuff he is mailing to

me and will retest.