Re: Re: Elaine and hormone creams

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Zoe,

I'm not sure why the story of one person's use of extreme high dose progesterone cream over an extended period,( "A Case Study) ," is worthy of file space. Is someone trying to make a case against progesterone on the basis of one case?

Lynne

In a message dated 4/2/2006 8:52:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ZOEA@... writes:

For those of you who are interested in the progesterone cream article, Elaine sent it to me and it is now in the Files under "Progesterone Cream" under Research Articles.

iodine/files/Research%20Articles/Progesterone%20Cream/

Ilyia, EF, 1998. Long-Term Effects of Topical Progesterone Cream Application: A Case Study

Each page is a separate file. There are 3 pages, plus one page of references.

Zoe

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I sent it to Zoe to upload. I don't have a link, just attachments that were

emailed to me.

Elaine

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> Elaine, can you send a link?? Janie

>>

>> I understand. It is time constraints on my part. The study on

> progesterone

>> and cancer is an attachment so I don't think will let me

> forward that.

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I could send some articles for the files on this if Zoe thinks it's appropriate. LizOn Apr 2, 2006, at 9:56 PM, loboshe wrote: > Peri-menopause is actually a time of higher than youthful levels > of estrogen -- as if the body is trying to get the hypothalamus to > pick up the signal. That seems to parallel my experience right now. My estrogen has been HIGH with peri-meno! Janie

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In a message dated 4/5/2006 12:03:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, canhelp2@... writes:

I assume you are primarily talking about progesterone! It stores in

fat and accumulates over time. One needs less progesterone over time

because of that. This is not true for transdermal estrogen.

Madeleen

I think that it is. Fat is where estrogen stored.

Esp in breast tissue.

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Really? Progesterone is still a miracle for me. I have been using it for 5 years I think--250mg transdermal every night. I also use estradiol in olive oil 2.5mg 2X a day. Testosterone 20mg gel.

Thank goD for these hormones.

Gracia

The> seminar speaker said hormone creams seem like a miracle at first, but you> have to look at what happens six months or more later. I assume you are primarily talking about progesterone! It stores in fat and accumulates over time. One needs less progesterone over time because of that. This is not true for transdermal estrogen.Madeleen

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On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Gracia wrote:   Really?   Progesterone is still a miracle for me.   I have been using it for 5 years I think--250mg transdermal every night.    I also use estradiol in olive oil  2.5mg 2X a day.   Testosterone 20mg gel.   Thank goD for these hormones. Gracia   Gracia,Have you found that these amounts prevent hyperplasia and bleeding? I finally went off all estrogen because I just had had enough of bleeding every month. I've had some hot flashes, but nothing I can't handle yet. I also found that a long standing sub-scapular pain subsided 90% after I stopped the estradiol. When I tried a little after a month or so, the pain came right back. Estrogens can have weakening effects on tendons -- young women athletes have the most accidents during their high estrogen time of the month. If I go back on estrogen, I think I will try tri-est. The japanese do really well with just estriol -- and it doesn't seem connected to cancer in any way.I've been taking 300 mg of oral progesterone (prometrium) for its sedative effects. It is supposed to increase deep sleep, help with vasomotor symptoms and relax the arteries -- some nights it's more effective that others so far.Namaste, Liz

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I have tried decreasing E and P and even T! but just don't do well on less--I feel awful.. I woiuld get cramps and spotting at times but this has been completely eliminated on Iodoral!! I love this stuff. Right now I am suffering from lack of HGH, might get it next week. Weakening of tendons makes me think of thyroid--isn't that a hypo symptom?

I get MDs health newsletter and this month he writes about low estradiol and Alzheimers.

I used to take tri-est, then bi-est but feel best on estradiol. Sometimes I try to go off of progesterone for a few days but definately feel better on it.

HEY I work with mentally retarded adults who are ALL untreated for hypo and on lots of drugs. It's appalling, but anyway we had an in-service on dental health, the usual flouride stuff. I was able to give some info on iodine/betadine that I have learned here and the presenter was quite receptive to it.

Gracia

Really? Progesterone is still a miracle for me. I have been using it for 5 years I think--250mg transdermal every night. I also use estradiol in olive oil 2.5mg 2X a day. Testosterone 20mg gel.

Thank goD for these hormones.

Gracia

Gracia,

Have you found that these amounts prevent hyperplasia and bleeding?

I finally went off all estrogen because I just had had enough of bleeding every month. I've had some hot flashes, but nothing I can't handle yet. I also found that a long standing sub-scapular pain subsided 90% after I stopped the estradiol. When I tried a little after a month or so, the pain came right back. Estrogens can have weakening effects on tendons -- young women athletes have the most accidents during their high estrogen time of the month. If I go back on estrogen, I think I will try tri-est. The japanese do really well with just estriol -- and it doesn't seem connected to cancer in any way.

I've been taking 300 mg of oral progesterone (prometrium) for its sedative effects. It is supposed to increase deep sleep, help with vasomotor symptoms and relax the arteries -- some nights it's more effective that others so far.

Namaste, Liz

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On Apr 7, 2006, at 8:48 AM, Gracia wrote:I have tried decreasing E and P and even T!  but just don't do well on less--I feel awful..   I woiuld get cramps and spotting at times but this has been completely eliminated on Iodoral!!  I love this stuff.  It might be shifting your E2 metabolism toward estriol.Are you using transdermal creams? If you are using 5 mg of E2 a day and 20 mgs of T to feel OK it might mean that the vehicle is not that great for you, because that's a lot of hormone in anyone's book. The E2 patches and estrogel, etc. have been engineered to drive the hormones in. I don't know if the efficacy of the creams used by compounders have been studied well for efficacy and reliability -- they often use proprietary concoctions. The vivelle dot patch only uses 50 micrograms of E2 per day; a young woman's body only manufactures somewhere between .03 - .46 mg per day to achieve levels between 60 pg/ml - 350 pg/ml. Are you really taking 20 mg of T -- the more normal dose is 1 - 2 mg a day. My doc once had me taking too much T and I developed the most annoying horniness -- it was probably more like what men feel and didn't feel like my old female desire.  Right now I am suffering from lack of HGH, might get it next week.   Weakening of tendons makes me think of thyroid--isn't that a hypo symptom?  What form of HGH do you use and is it costly?Hypo can also weaken tendons -- but so can estradiol. And in my case, the pain went away when I stopped the E2 and came back when I used it again. My thyroid meds stayed the same. E2 can also decrease thyroid action -- it's obviously complicated.I get MDs health newsletter and this month he writes about low estradiol and Alzheimers.Could you share your newsletter?I used to take tri-est, then bi-est but feel best on estradiol.   Sometimes I try to go off of progesterone for a few days but definately feel better on it.If you have a uterus it's a must. It's a hard molecule to absorb any which way -- so it's important to take enough to protect the endometrium. What form do you use?Namaste, Liz

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well what is in the bloodstream and what is in the cells can be 2 different things, right?

I am using transdermal cream for progeterone, gel for testosterone, olive oil for estrogen. I looked at ranges for hormones in my book Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe MD and ranges posted at WIP http://www.womensinternational.com

A pharmacist at WIP told me most women feel best with 20mg T!! and that has been true for me. I am very female but do like the "edge" I get with testosterone, and I do have the horniness you describe. I like having strength and stamina too. I am not sure if I have secondary hypothyroidism or adrenal hyperplasia made worse by partial thyroidectomy --both would necessitate thyroid, adrenal, sex hormones.

The HGH is injectable, the only form I am aware of. I think scientists are working on an oral form of it. I use 1 iu/day which can cost $8-13 per iu.

I will try to send the newsletter piece about estradiol (not exactly sure how to do it!)

Gracia

On Apr 7, 2006, at 8:48 AM, Gracia wrote:

I have tried decreasing E and P and even T! but just don't do well on less--I feel awful.. I woiuld get cramps and spotting at times but this has been completely eliminated on Iodoral!! I love this stuff. It might be shifting your E2 metabolism toward estriol.

Are you using transdermal creams? If you are using 5 mg of E2 a day and 20 mgs of T to feel OK it might mean that the vehicle is not that great for you, because that's a lot of hormone in anyone's book. The E2 patches and estrogel, etc. have been engineered to drive the hormones in. I don't know if the efficacy of the creams used by compounders have been studied well for efficacy and reliability -- they often use proprietary concoctions. The vivelle dot patch only uses 50 micrograms of E2 per day; a young woman's body only manufactures somewhere between .03 - .46 mg per day to achieve levels between 60 pg/ml - 350 pg/ml. Are you really taking 20 mg of T -- the more normal dose is 1 - 2 mg a day. My doc once had me taking too much T and I developed the most annoying horniness -- it was probably more like what men feel and didn't feel like my old female desire.

Right now I am suffering from lack of HGH, might get it next week. Weakening of tendons makes me think of thyroid--isn't that a hypo symptom?

What form of HGH do you use and is it costly?

Hypo can also weaken tendons -- but so can estradiol. And in my case, the pain went away when I stopped the E2 and came back when I used it again. My thyroid meds stayed the same. E2 can also decrease thyroid action -- it's obviously complicated.

I get MDs health newsletter and this month he writes about low estradiol and Alzheimers.Could you share your newsletter?

I used to take tri-est, then bi-est but feel best on estradiol. Sometimes I try to go off of progesterone for a few days but definately feel better on it.If you have a uterus it's a must. It's a hard molecule to absorb any which way -- so it's important to take enough to protect the endometrium. What form do you use?

Namaste, Liz

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Hi Gracia,  I am very interested in your comment re using olive oil for estrogen. Is this transdermally? A friend was just telling me yesterday that her ND who does ayurvedic medicine is having her put olive oil all over her body 3x/day and in scalp once a week. Would this be to increase estrogen? AnnOn 9-Apr-06, at 1:11 PM, Gracia wrote: I am using transdermal cream for progeterone, gel for testosterone, olive  oil for estrogen.   I looked at ranges for hormones in my book Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe MD and ranges posted at WIP http://www.womensinternational.com