Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 cindy, if you give attitude, you get attitude. i hope that you can see that. and i hope you stay and continue posting and learning. this is the best group of bandsters i found. if you want a bit of coddling, i would suggest going to smartbandsters, where i came from. i didnt get anywhere near the info here, nor the clarity, but it might be more of what you need than the straight forward info from this group. At 12:52 PM 11/4/2007, you wrote: >I was looking for information - not attitude. > >This is obviously not the group for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> If it was as easy as you make it sound I wouldn't have >needed the > > > > band in the first place.<< > > > > > > > > If it were as difficult as you seem to think it is, how do so >many > > >other > > > > people manage to make it work and be happy about it? > > > > > > > > The band is no substitute for judgment. If you expect the band >to > > >force > > > > you to lose weight, you will continue to be disappointed. The >band > > >helps > > > > you by reducing hunger but only if you eat appropriately. > > > > > > > > You are the only one who decides what to put in your mouth. Just > > >like > > > > everyone else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 i am not at goal. just started in fact in february. but i know what i know. i am absolutely not afraid to post here. i just know i will get straight poop. At 12:59 PM 11/4/2007, you wrote: >Yes I feel the same way. I fear posting also. Yes I want >honest answers and not coddling, but I want answers not judgements. >I've had enough people judge me for being fat - I don't need people >judging me for making mistakes along my journey to thinness. I'm not >making mistakes on purpose. I've eaten incorrectly for 40 years - >I'm not going to automatically start eating right cause someone wrote >material on it. > >Oh how easy it is to be at goal and judge those who are trying to get >there. > >How easy it is for thin people to look at fat people and think " why >don't they just eat right? " > >I want to benefit from other's experiences and since people seem to >be afraid to post here - I'm not getting that benefit. > > > > > > > > > > > > I ate pasta tonight and ended up really stuck. I've been able >to > > eat > > > > pasta in the past, but this time I guess I didn't chew it well > > enough. > > > > > > > > Anyway, I was in massive pain and would have cut my right arm >off > > to > > > > stop the chest pain. > > > > > > > > I PB'd - I slimed and I was still stuck. I got nauseous and > > kinda > > > > forced myself to gag (sorry this is so gross but I'm really > > > > worried). Once I gagged, my stomach started wretching. I > > brought up > > > > some undigested food, but mostly the wretching produced little > > slime > > > > balls. I finally calmed my stomach down. > > > > > > > > Could I have caused my stomach (band) to slip? I now have a >tiny > > > > stomach ache and sinus's that feel like I'm getting a cold > > without > > > > the stuffed up nose. The left side of my stomach high under my > > > > breast is very achy (like muscles that hurt after vomiting). > > > > > > > > No need to tell me how stupid I just was - I know it. I just > > need to > > > > know what I might have done to my stomach and what to watch for. > > > > > > > > : ( > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 ALL things in moderation is the KEY to life. I didn't get fat eating pizza and pasta. I got FAT eating TOO MUCH of EVERYTHING. I WOULDN't have gotten fat if I did everything RIGHT. Support groups are suppose to help each other by sharing experiences and learning from one another. If I could answer the question " why do I eat the things I do " I wouldn't need support and I wouldn't be fat. C > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I ate pasta tonight and ended up really stuck. I've been > >able > > > > to > > > > > > eat > > > > > > > pasta in the past, but this time I guess I didn't chew it > >well > > > > > > enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I was in massive pain and would have cut my right > >arm > > > > off > > > > > > to > > > > > > > stop the chest pain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I PB'd - I slimed and I was still stuck. I got nauseous > >and > > > > > kinda > > > > > > > forced myself to gag (sorry this is so gross but I'm really > > > > > > > worried). Once I gagged, my stomach started wretching. I > > > > > brought > > > > > > up > > > > > > > some undigested food, but mostly the wretching produced > >little > > > > > > slime > > > > > > > balls. I finally calmed my stomach down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could I have caused my stomach (band) to slip? I now have > >a > > > > tiny > > > > > > > stomach ache and sinus's that feel like I'm getting a cold > > > > > without > > > > > > > the stuffed up nose. The left side of my stomach high > >under my > > > > > > > breast is very achy (like muscles that hurt after vomiting). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No need to tell me how stupid I just was - I know it. I > >just > > > > > need > > > > > > to > > > > > > > know what I might have done to my stomach and what to watch > >for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 I didn't give attitude - all I asked for was information see my original question in quotes below. " Could I have caused my stomach (band) to slip? I now have a tiny stomach ache and sinus's that feel like I'm getting a cold without the stuffed up nose. The left side of my stomach high under my breast is very achy (like muscles that hurt after vomiting). No need to tell me how stupid I just was - I know it. I just need to know what I might have done to my stomach and what to watch for " Where above did I give attitude. Another thing I'd like to point out is this website only has a few regular posters....whey is that? > > > > > > > > > > >> If it was as easy as you make it sound I wouldn't have > >needed the > > > > > band in the first place.<< > > > > > > > > > > If it were as difficult as you seem to think it is, how do so > >many > > > >other > > > > > people manage to make it work and be happy about it? > > > > > > > > > > The band is no substitute for judgment. If you expect the band > >to > > > >force > > > > > you to lose weight, you will continue to be disappointed. The > >band > > > >helps > > > > > you by reducing hunger but only if you eat appropriately. > > > > > > > > > > You are the only one who decides what to put in your mouth. Just > > > >like > > > > > everyone else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 >I agree with . I don't recall that her questions were ever answered. >I do recall assumptions were made that I don't recollect were justified. >I also agree that too much 'blame game' is played here especially from some >of the regulars who are so self justified but inadvertently give us a >glimpse that they too don't always get it right. When will her legitimate >questions be answered? > Marilyn M Dempsay, > age 70, 5'2 " KC area > Kuri 6/30/05 > 226. 217, 138.135? > high. surgery, now. goal > > You are rich in proportion to > what you can do without. > > (And boy is there a lot more around > here that I could be happier without - > Marilyn) > Re: Did I do damage? > > >>I didn't give attitude - all I asked for was information see my >> original question in quotes below. >> >> " Could I have caused my stomach (band) to slip? I now have a tiny >> stomach ache and sinus's that feel like I'm getting a cold without >> the stuffed up nose. The left side of my stomach high under my >> breast is very achy (like muscles that hurt after vomiting). >> >> No need to tell me how stupid I just was - I know it. I just need to >> know what I might have done to my stomach and what to watch for " >> >> Where above did I give attitude. >> >> Another thing I'd like to point out is this website only has a few >> regular posters....whey is that? >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> If it was as easy as you make it sound I wouldn't have >>> >needed the >>> > > > > band in the first place.<< >>> > > > > >>> > > > > If it were as difficult as you seem to think it is, how do >> so >>> >many >>> > > >other >>> > > > > people manage to make it work and be happy about it? >>> > > > > >>> > > > > The band is no substitute for judgment. If you expect the >> band >>> >to >>> > > >force >>> > > > > you to lose weight, you will continue to be disappointed. >> The >>> >band >>> > > >helps >>> > > > > you by reducing hunger but only if you eat appropriately. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > You are the only one who decides what to put in your mouth. >> Just >>> > > >like >>> > > > > everyone else. >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 cindy, it wasnt the original question that i was referring to, it was your response to some of the responses that you got. i thought sandy;s response was honest and trying to help and you saw it as being judgemental. . i have no idea why some people post and some dont on this board. At 08:55 PM 11/4/2007, you wrote: >I didn't give attitude - all I asked for was information see my >original question in quotes below. > > " Could I have caused my stomach (band) to slip? I now have a tiny >stomach ache and sinus's that feel like I'm getting a cold without >the stuffed up nose. The left side of my stomach high under my >breast is very achy (like muscles that hurt after vomiting). > >No need to tell me how stupid I just was - I know it. I just need to >know what I might have done to my stomach and what to watch for " > >Where above did I give attitude. > >Another thing I'd like to point out is this website only has a few >regular posters....whey is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> If it was as easy as you make it sound I wouldn't have > > >needed the > > > > > > band in the first place.<< > > > > > > > > > > > > If it were as difficult as you seem to think it is, how do >so > > >many > > > > >other > > > > > > people manage to make it work and be happy about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > The band is no substitute for judgment. If you expect the >band > > >to > > > > >force > > > > > > you to lose weight, you will continue to be disappointed. >The > > >band > > > > >helps > > > > > > you by reducing hunger but only if you eat appropriately. > > > > > > > > > > > > You are the only one who decides what to put in your mouth. >Just > > > > >like > > > > > > everyone else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 i think that the answer to cindy was that probably one time would not make the band slip. i said that, with little knowlege, and some one else said it. here is what sandy said: , ANY barf or pb can cause a slip. At the very least, they are likely loosening the stutures to make futurte slips even more possible. so, i thought that the question was answered as best as could be answered. At 09:32 PM 11/4/2007, you wrote: > >I agree with . I don't recall that her questions were ever answered. > >I do recall assumptions were made that I don't recollect were justified. > >I also agree that too much 'blame game' is played here especially from some > >of the regulars who are so self justified but inadvertently give us a > >glimpse that they too don't always get it right. When will her legitimate > >questions be answered? > > Marilyn M Dempsay, > > age 70, 5'2 " KC area > > Kuri 6/30/05 > > 226. 217, 138.135? > > high. surgery, now. goal > > > > You are rich in proportion to > > what you can do without. > > > > (And boy is there a lot more around > > here that I could be happier without - > > Marilyn) > > Re: Did I do damage? > > > > > >>I didn't give attitude - all I asked for was information see my > >> original question in quotes below. > >> > >> " Could I have caused my stomach (band) to slip? I now have a tiny > >> stomach ache and sinus's that feel like I'm getting a cold without > >> the stuffed up nose. The left side of my stomach high under my > >> breast is very achy (like muscles that hurt after vomiting). > >> > >> No need to tell me how stupid I just was - I know it. I just need to > >> know what I might have done to my stomach and what to watch for " > >> > >> Where above did I give attitude. > >> > >> Another thing I'd like to point out is this website only has a few > >> regular posters....whey is that? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >> If it was as easy as you make it sound I wouldn't have > >>> >needed the > >>> > > > > band in the first place.<< > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > If it were as difficult as you seem to think it is, how do > >> so > >>> >many > >>> > > >other > >>> > > > > people manage to make it work and be happy about it? > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > The band is no substitute for judgment. If you expect the > >> band > >>> >to > >>> > > >force > >>> > > > > you to lose weight, you will continue to be disappointed. > >> The > >>> >band > >>> > > >helps > >>> > > > > you by reducing hunger but only if you eat appropriately. > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > You are the only one who decides what to put in your mouth. > >> Just > >>> > > >like > >>> > > > > everyone else. > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 cindy, this is exactly the group for you. please go back to your original post and think about what response it would engender if you were reading it for the first time. i think you would also jump on the behavior band wagon as well. please don't take your ball and go home. george > > > > > > > > >> If it was as easy as you make it sound I wouldn't have > needed the > > > > band in the first place.<< > > > > > > > > If it were as difficult as you seem to think it is, how do so > many > > >other > > > > people manage to make it work and be happy about it? > > > > > > > > The band is no substitute for judgment. If you expect the band > to > > >force > > > > you to lose weight, you will continue to be disappointed. The > band > > >helps > > > > you by reducing hunger but only if you eat appropriately. > > > > > > > > You are the only one who decides what to put in your mouth. Just > > >like > > > > everyone else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 cindy, you're right about the bell peppers. i never saw them on a list, but discovered early how I react to them. i did know that bread was going to be tough, according to the literature, but I too thought i could handle it and discovered immediately that i couldn't. so i don't eat those things anymore. and its not because i'm perfect, believe me. its because the pain of getting stuck isn't worth it. everytime i pass the sushi counter, I drool. but i know how rice works (swells in the stomach) so i've just not had a california role since my banding. i love the taste of it with wasabi and ginger. but i'm scared of the consequences if i ate it. there is a lot of experimenting required to get a variety of foods that your band will tolerate. and its different for each individual-- one of my basic concerns is that my band remain functional for the rest of my life. so i don't want to do anything that would jeapardize that. george- In , " cindywebb1667 " <cindywebb1667@...> wrote: > > But I wouldn't know if bell peppers were bad for me unless I tried > them right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I ate pasta tonight and ended up really stuck. I've been > able > > to > > > > eat > > > > > pasta in the past, but this time I guess I didn't chew it > well > > > > enough. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I was in massive pain and would have cut my right arm > > off > > > > to > > > > > stop the chest pain. > > > > > > > > > > I PB'd - I slimed and I was still stuck. I got nauseous and > > > kinda > > > > > forced myself to gag (sorry this is so gross but I'm really > > > > > worried). Once I gagged, my stomach started wretching. I > > > brought > > > > up > > > > > some undigested food, but mostly the wretching produced > little > > > > slime > > > > > balls. I finally calmed my stomach down. > > > > > > > > > > Could I have caused my stomach (band) to slip? I now have a > > tiny > > > > > stomach ache and sinus's that feel like I'm getting a cold > > > without > > > > > the stuffed up nose. The left side of my stomach high under > my > > > > > breast is very achy (like muscles that hurt after vomiting). > > > > > > > > > > No need to tell me how stupid I just was - I know it. I just > > > need > > > > to > > > > > know what I might have done to my stomach and what to watch > for. > > > > > > > > > > : ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Hello cindywebb1667, Friday, November 2, 2007, 5:29:13 PM, you wrote: > Could I have caused my stomach (band) to slip? I now have a tiny > stomach ache and sinus's that feel like I'm getting a cold without > the stuffed up nose. The left side of my stomach high under my > breast is very achy (like muscles that hurt after vomiting). Chances are small you did anything bad to it. The sinuses/runny nose are normal, since they are producing slime. The ONLY way ANY of us, in my opinion, should eat pasta is with LOTS of sauce. Preferably like fettucine alfredo. Of course that has about a million calories and isn't on the bandster list of foods recommended, guess we should just forget the whole pasta thing. -- Best regards, Dan mailto:honu@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Hello cindywebb1667, Friday, November 2, 2007, 9:53:52 PM, you wrote: > Thanks Diane and Sharon. I was really worried. You can bet I won't > eat THAT again! I just ate some cheerios soaked in skim milk and a > popsicle and my stomach feels o.k. I am really hungry, but I'm not > going to push my luck. After any barfing, whatever anyone wants to call whatever " version " , I believe we should do straight liquids for 24 hours. YMMV, of course. -- Best regards, Dan mailto:honu@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Hello cindywebb1667, Saturday, November 3, 2007, 1:18:35 PM, you wrote: > If it was as easy as you make it sound I wouldn't have needed the > band in the first place. I didn't think she made it sound easy. It isn't, and she knows it too. We were both banded at about the same time, and learned each others struggles from a site we used to be on before we were kicked off for being " too mean " (i.e. tough love) and for disagreeing with the whiny " oh poor me " people on that group. I guarantee you it isn't easy. Never has been, never will be. And, for most of us, the counseling with someone who knows weight loss issues is invaluable. I speak from experience. Personal experience. -- Best regards, Dan mailto:honu@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Hello cindywebb1667, Saturday, November 3, 2007, 3:16:30 PM, you wrote: > Boy all you guys are really sympathetic and supportive ! I didn't > ask for judgement - all I wanted was someone to 'talk' to about my > fear of band slippage. And we listened, and advised that the risk is minimal, but not zero. > I'm glad you are all so supportive. We are. But trying to advise you on how to avoid the problem again IS supportive. Isn't it? > I'm so glad you are all so perfect. Far from it. As far as I know only one perfect person has ever lived on this earth, and I'm sure not him. Or even close. -- Best regards, Dan mailto:honu@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Hello george, Sunday, November 4, 2007, 6:41:28 AM, you wrote: > its a choice. pasta or no pasta. its as simple as that. you've > chosen banding and there are rules. yes its that simple. before > banding, you also had a choice: don't eat it or use it as comfort. Yup. I always think in terms of driving (about my second or third most favorite thing to do), and there are rules there, too. If I violate them, I get punished. Or dead. And same with band....you violate them, you get punished. But, hey, I've had some tickets before....both in the car and with the band. It happens to all of us. -- Best regards, Dan mailto:honu@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Hi , I totally believe the band is a tool. I need a tool to help me. If I could do this on my own and make good choices and eat only what I was suppose to eat I would have never had wls to start with I would not have needed it. I have been banded for a year now and have experienced what it is like to not have restriction or saity for the first 8 months. It was a total struggle not fun. I felt no help at all could eat anything I wanted when I wanted. Nothing got stuck only a big piece of pork rib one time. I tried to not eat what is acceptable band food and proportions but I was starving all the time and on my own with no help I fail. I finally got to a pretty good fill on July 19. It was wonderful I could easily eat bandster food and proportions. The weight started falling off. o. It would have been great if I could have gotten good restriction in a few fills like most people do but I didn't and it is very hard to do the right thing. It lasted for about two months now I need another fill which I am getting on Wednesday. I look forward to being able to eat like a smartbandster again. My point is that just like you read the band is either too lose, too full or just right. I think it is not good to tell someone that is not at a good fill to just do it, make good choices and only eat what you are suppose to. If the tool is not working how can they succeed. A 1200 calorie diet from the Dr would work just as well and not cost all that money. hang in there get a good fill and work with your tool. I understand how you feel. Ales RNY 7/11/02 Revision Banded 10/27/06 Re: Did I do damage? cindy, its a choice. pasta or no pasta. its as simple as that. you've chosen banding and there are rules. yes its that simple. before banding, you also had a choice: don't eat it or use it as comfort. but now, you can't continue these choices and expect the band to perform magic (or stay functionally sound). consider past behavior up to today as in the past and begin anew at once. with the results pasta is producing, you can't afford to risk everything by pushing the band limits. And this applies to everything known to be unfriendly to your band. good luck and let us know how you proceed and how you're doing. george p.s. early on after a few weeks, i was out to dinner with a friend and took a small garlic roll (my first bread product post banding. it got stuck. several hours later, relief came. AS much as i love bread, especially high quality ryes and multi grains, i wouldn't dare trying it again. at least not the soft part of bread. just not worth it. that's one lesson i'll never forget. Bell peppers, another crappy choice for me. > > > > > > I ate pasta tonight and ended up really stuck. I've been able to > > eat > > > pasta in the past, but this time I guess I didn't chew it well > > enough. > > > > > > Anyway, I was in massive pain and would have cut my right arm off > > to > > > stop the chest pain. > > > > > > I PB'd - I slimed and I was still stuck. I got nauseous and > kinda > > > forced myself to gag (sorry this is so gross but I'm really > > > worried). Once I gagged, my stomach started wretching. I > brought > > up > > > some undigested food, but mostly the wretching produced little > > slime > > > balls. I finally calmed my stomach down. > > > > > > Could I have caused my stomach (band) to slip? I now have a tiny > > > stomach ache and sinus's that feel like I'm getting a cold > without > > > the stuffed up nose. The left side of my stomach high under my > > > breast is very achy (like muscles that hurt after vomiting). > > > > > > No need to tell me how stupid I just was - I know it. I just > need > > to > > > know what I might have done to my stomach and what to watch for. > > > > > > : ( > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Hello cindywebb1667, First, I'm a bit behind in emails. Been trying to have a life, and also recover from a sinus infection I caught in Monterey. Sunday, November 4, 2007, 10:59:19 AM, you wrote: > Yes I feel the same way. I fear posting also. Yes I want > honest answers and not coddling, but I want answers not judgements. But answers ARE judgments in many cases. I don't see how I can say " you really shouldn't have done that and I hope you don't do it again " and have it NOT sound judgmental. You can be sure I'll never say something like " oh, poor baby, that nasty pasta was mean to you so I'll go over and talk to its mommy and make sure it never does it again " . > I've had enough people judge me for being fat - I don't need people > judging me for making mistakes along my journey to thinness. I'm not > making mistakes on purpose. I've eaten incorrectly for 40 years - > I'm not going to automatically start eating right cause someone wrote > material on it. I think all of us have, hopefully, developed pretty tough skins from little four year old brats in the grocery store saying " mommy, look at that FAT GUY, he's fatter than Santa Claus " ....and from adults. I had a boss give me a fairly negative evaluation about twenty years ago because he said " that being fat proved I was lazy and wasn't doing my job " . Yeah, right. Most obese overcompensate for things like their weight and work extra hard to prove we can do what others think we can't. Anyway, I went straight over to the equal opportunity office and talked to the lady in charge. Guess what, I got a new evaluation. Of course that boss was so pissed off at being called on his BS that I knew I needed to start looking for a job before too long. And that's how I got to Idaho.... > Oh how easy it is to be at goal and judge those who are trying to get > there. We're just trying to help you get to your goals with as little pain and suffering as possible. > How easy it is for thin people to look at fat people and think " why > don't they just eat right? " I don't know....I've never been a thin person. Never will be. But I'm a whole hell of a lot healthier and happier than I was 140 pounds ago. > I want to benefit from other's experiences and since people seem to > be afraid to post here - I'm not getting that benefit. Since there have been over 50 msgs since I last read email a few days ago, guess there aren't too many who are afraid to post. dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Hello cindywebb1667, Sunday, November 4, 2007, 6:55:10 PM, you wrote: > Another thing I'd like to point out is this website only has a few > regular posters....whey is that? It is what is officially known as the Pareto Principle, or the 80/20 rule, or " the classroom rule " or " the committee rule " or whatever. In any group, a small number ever speak up. A few do on occasion. The vast majority never do. Think of the classroom where there are always a few with their hands in the air, and the vast majority who would never speak up unless explicitly called on. Also, though we officially have 1400+ members, with the numbers are about triple the number of " real members " . People sign up for web only email and then never read it after a few days. They never unsub and even forget they were a member (I've done that a couple times myself). Others are web only members but only skim over messages on a few rare occasions. Some of us get email and are compulsive enough (what, any of US complusive?) to read them all, even when a few days behind like I am now. -- Best regards, Dan mailto:honu@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Hello george, Monday, November 5, 2007, 6:44:18 AM, you wrote: > i did know that bread was going to be tough, according to the > literature, but I too thought i could handle it and discovered > immediately that i couldn't. Since someone said we were perfect....I'll tell another of my experiences I've not told in a while (I don't think). I used to eat two to four sausage biscuits from Mcs EVERY morning, or at least the five days a week I went to work. Hit the drive through, they'd be gone by the time I'd gone the 9 miles to work (and not much traffic at 615 in morning, either). For about 3 or 4 months after banding I never went to Mickeydees....at all. One mornign I got the craving for a biscuit, so I bought one. I figured " bread is bread, and i can't eat it, but biscuits ain't bread, biscuits is biscuits " . That's true. They are also MUCH worse than bread. They are gummy with all that fat and are MUCH more likely to get stuck. I ate maybe three bites, and not very big ones. I almost immediately had VERY BAD PAIN. Pulled over at side of road. Tried to barf. Couldn't. Tried the " jumping up and down " that others had recommended. Tried the punching self in stomach. Tried heimlich maneuver. Nothing worked. Imagine it looked pretty funny with this 300 pound guy trying to jump up and down at the side of the road. (Still can't jump worth a damn) It was after noon (about six hours) before it finally got unstuck. And then there's the time I got bites of burrito stuck and had to fly back to Mexico to get fill removed and replaced....but that's another story. Also true. Damn expensive burrito.... dan -- Best regards, Dan mailto:honu@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 One day when I had to eat something I ordered a bacon egg cheese biscuit, I removed the biscuit and enough stuck on to give me the flavor and texture without getting stuck, it was good. I don't make it a habit though they are still high in fat a cal without the biscuit. Elaine Rashi, Beautiful Tuscany Hills, CA Dr. Kuri/ TJ MX 04/10/06 Re: Re: Did I do damage? Hello george, Monday, November 5, 2007, 6:44:18 AM, you wrote: > i did know that bread was going to be tough, according to the > literature, but I too thought i could handle it and discovered > immediately that i couldn't. Since someone said we were perfect....I' ll tell another of my experiences I've not told in a while (I don't think). I used to eat two to four sausage biscuits from Mcs EVERY morning, or at least the five days a week I went to work. Hit the drive through, they'd be gone by the time I'd gone the 9 miles to work (and not much traffic at 615 in morning, either). For about 3 or 4 months after banding I never went to Mickeydees.. ..at all. One mornign I got the craving for a biscuit, so I bought one. I figured " bread is bread, and i can't eat it, but biscuits ain't bread, biscuits is biscuits " . That's true. They are also MUCH worse than bread. They are gummy with all that fat and are MUCH more likely to get stuck. I ate maybe three bites, and not very big ones. I almost immediately had VERY BAD PAIN. Pulled over at side of road. Tried to barf. Couldn't. Tried the " jumping up and down " that others had recommended. Tried the punching self in stomach. Tried heimlich maneuver. Nothing worked. Imagine it looked pretty funny with this 300 pound guy trying to jump up and down at the side of the road. (Still can't jump worth a damn) It was after noon (about six hours) before it finally got unstuck. And then there's the time I got bites of burrito stuck and had to fly back to Mexico to get fill removed and replaced.... but that's another story. Also true. Damn expensive burrito.... dan -- Best regards, Dan mailto:honuriverofdata (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 I read everyday but don't post because between Sandy and Dan there is a wealth of knowledge Elaine Rashi, Beautiful Tuscany Hills, CA Dr. Kuri/ TJ MX 04/10/06 Re: Re: Did I do damage? Hello cindywebb1667, Sunday, November 4, 2007, 6:55:10 PM, you wrote: > Another thing I'd like to point out is this website only has a few > regular posters....whey is that? It is what is officially known as the Pareto Principle, or the 80/20 rule, or " the classroom rule " or " the committee rule " or whatever. In any group, a small number ever speak up. A few do on occasion. The vast majority never do. Think of the classroom where there are always a few with their hands in the air, and the vast majority who would never speak up unless explicitly called on. Also, though we officially have 1400+ members, with the numbers are about triple the number of " real members " . People sign up for web only email and then never read it after a few days. They never unsub and even forget they were a member (I've done that a couple times myself). Others are web only members but only skim over messages on a few rare occasions. Some of us get email and are compulsive enough (what, any of US complusive?) to read them all, even when a few days behind like I am now. -- Best regards, Dan mailto:honuriverofdata (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 I had a little bit of pasta with mostly tunafish (just tired of plain old tuna so I figured a small amount of pasta would be o.k.) Boy was I wrong! Never do that again > > > Could I have caused my stomach (band) to slip? I now have a tiny > > stomach ache and sinus's that feel like I'm getting a cold without > > the stuffed up nose. The left side of my stomach high under my > > breast is very achy (like muscles that hurt after vomiting). > > Chances are small you did anything bad to it. The sinuses/runny nose > are normal, since they are producing slime. > > The ONLY way ANY of us, in my opinion, should eat pasta is with LOTS > of sauce. Preferably like fettucine alfredo. Of course that has about > a million calories and isn't on the bandster list of foods > recommended, guess we should just forget the whole pasta thing. > > -- > Best regards, > Dan mailto:honu@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 o.k. but hopefully I'll never get stuck again ! > > > Thanks Diane and Sharon. I was really worried. You can bet I won't > > eat THAT again! I just ate some cheerios soaked in skim milk and a > > popsicle and my stomach feels o.k. I am really hungry, but I'm not > > going to push my luck. > > After any barfing, whatever anyone wants to call whatever " version " , I > believe we should do straight liquids for 24 hours. > > YMMV, of course. > > -- > Best regards, > Dan mailto:honu@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 i have done similar things when i am in a situation where i havent eaten or planned well enough. and being diabetic, i get teh shakes and worry about hypoglycemia..so sometimes i have to make the best choice that i can at the time....i have gotten a chick fil a chicken sandwich, and then removed the bread and wrapped the chicken in lettuce!!! At 10:56 AM 11/5/2007, you wrote: >One day when I had to eat something I ordered a bacon egg cheese >biscuit, I removed the biscuit and enough stuck on to give me the >flavor and texture without getting stuck, it was good. I don't make >it a habit though they are still high in fat a cal without the biscuit. > >Elaine Rashi, Beautiful Tuscany Hills, CA >Dr. Kuri/ TJ MX 04/10/06 > > > > Re: Re: Did I do damage? > >Hello george, > >Monday, November 5, 2007, 6:44:18 AM, you wrote: > > > i did know that bread was going to be tough, according to the > > literature, but I too thought i could handle it and discovered > > immediately that i couldn't. > >Since someone said we were perfect....I' ll tell another of my >experiences I've not told in a while (I don't think). I used to eat >two to four sausage biscuits from Mcs EVERY morning, or at least >the five days a week I went to work. Hit the drive through, they'd be >gone by the time I'd gone the 9 miles to work (and not much traffic at >615 in morning, either). > >For about 3 or 4 months after banding I never went to Mickeydees.. ..at >all. > >One mornign I got the craving for a biscuit, so I bought one. I >figured " bread is bread, and i can't eat it, but biscuits ain't bread, >biscuits is biscuits " . That's true. > >They are also MUCH worse than bread. They are gummy with all that fat >and are MUCH more likely to get stuck. I ate maybe three bites, and >not very big ones. I almost immediately had VERY BAD PAIN. Pulled >over at side of road. Tried to barf. Couldn't. Tried the " jumping >up and down " that others had recommended. Tried the punching self in >stomach. Tried heimlich maneuver. Nothing worked. Imagine it looked >pretty funny with this 300 pound guy trying to jump up and down at the >side of the road. (Still can't jump worth a damn) > >It was after noon (about six hours) before it finally got unstuck. > >And then there's the time I got bites of burrito stuck and had to fly >back to Mexico to get fill removed and replaced.... but that's another >story. Also true. Damn expensive burrito.... > >dan > >-- >Best regards, >Dan mailto:honuriverofdata (DOT) com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 I guess I took offense to: " I just don't undertsnad why you really continue to test and push and ignore the band rules. Pasta is not a good band food . period. If you're serious about Band safety, losing weight, and reclaiming your helth, you'll stop all of this poor eating. It's a conscious choice you're making to eat poor foods and risk your band. You can't eat pasta unless you choose to buy it and prepare it " I DIDN'T do this on purpose. I have a PROBLEM with eating. It isn't as EASY as just a CONSCIOUS choice. I AM SERIOUS about losing weight. I am working on it. I made a mistake and was petrified of the consequences so I wrote to you guys for advice on what could happen with my band and wondering if I should call my doc. I'm trying to 'stop all this poor eating' - but I've been eating poorly for 40 years. If I could just stop it because it isn't on a " good band food " list, I would. It isn't that simple. Oh G*d - I'm working on stopping but it is very difficult (as I'm sure you all know). I'm working on everything I'm suppose to including support groups (from my docs office) and seeing a psychiatrist. I f**kd up and was just looking for advice on how badly I messed up - not chastising because I didn't follow the rules. No-one knows more than I that I made a mistake. I wanted to minimize the effect of messing up by finding out what I might have done. > > > If it was as easy as you make it sound I wouldn't have needed the > > band in the first place. > > I didn't think she made it sound easy. It isn't, and she knows it > too. We were both banded at about the same time, and learned each > others struggles from a site we used to be on before we were kicked > off for being " too mean " (i.e. tough love) and for disagreeing with > the whiny " oh poor me " people on that group. > > I guarantee you it isn't easy. Never has been, never will be. And, > for most of us, the counseling with someone who knows weight loss > issues is invaluable. I speak from experience. Personal experience. > > -- > Best regards, > Dan mailto:honu@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Thank you so much, . I do not believe I'm at a good fill level and have made another appointment to discuss with the doctor. You describe exactly what I feel. The bite of tuna/noodles was just too big and got stuck, but usually I can eat lots and not fill up or feel restriction. Actually, I can drink with a meal now (although I don't) without getting a 'stuck' feeling. Before when I took a sip with a meal I'd get an immediate tight feeling meaning my food was jammed in the stoma. Now I rarely feel the restriction (except with a too large bite of a bad band food). Athough I'm sorry it took you 8 months to get good restriction it gives me hope that maybe a fill will help me. Also, I know now how horrible 'truly stuck' feels and how much damage (by the amount of pain) that I could be doing so I am super, super careful now. It is true that if a tool isn't working at 100% helpfulness it isn't going to get 100% results. Ya can't build a house with a rubber hammer. > > > > > > > > I ate pasta tonight and ended up really stuck. I've been able > to > > > eat > > > > pasta in the past, but this time I guess I didn't chew it well > > > enough. > > > > > > > > Anyway, I was in massive pain and would have cut my right arm > off > > > to > > > > stop the chest pain. > > > > > > > > I PB'd - I slimed and I was still stuck. I got nauseous and > > kinda > > > > forced myself to gag (sorry this is so gross but I'm really > > > > worried). Once I gagged, my stomach started wretching. I > > brought > > > up > > > > some undigested food, but mostly the wretching produced little > > > slime > > > > balls. I finally calmed my stomach down. > > > > > > > > Could I have caused my stomach (band) to slip? I now have a > tiny > > > > stomach ache and sinus's that feel like I'm getting a cold > > without > > > > the stuffed up nose. The left side of my stomach high under my > > > > breast is very achy (like muscles that hurt after vomiting). > > > > > > > > No need to tell me how stupid I just was - I know it. I just > > need > > > to > > > > know what I might have done to my stomach and what to watch for. > > > > > > > > : ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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