Re: some medical folk honestly discussing sodium bicarb-For info following Merco

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I agree totally Shiela, they kicked them out without investigating. I

am wondering if anyone has never opened up a tumour and found fungus?

Wondering if there are any studies?

I am apalled if there are none

lotsa luv

Dawnx

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Hi Dawn,

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Marshall and Warren were roundly condemned for suggesting that

Helicobacter Pylori might cause Ulcers and Gastric cancer.

The surprise was that these spiral bacteria could live within an acidic

environment ~ the trick they (H. Pylori) used was to have bucket-loads

of urease within them to make ammonia ~ that neutralises the

acidity...hey presto! a comfy home base.

The extension of the 'other' hypothesis is that alkalinity at high

enough levels will alter the way sugars react both within the cell and

outside the cell where attachment and persistence of fungal hyphae are

compromised.

Likewise, sufficient magnesium ion will affect the attachment of these

same hyphae. If you can immobilise the magnesium ions by making the

solution too alkaline where attachment is aided by magnesium ions.....

The hyphae will detach....and so will tumour cells (coincidence?) be

destroyed by an apoptotic/necrotic mechanism.

No proof.

Go look at your marine chemistry notes.

Magnesium hyroxide is a gel.

Yer see, too many people know too much medicine and not enough

chemistry.

best wishes

Bob

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> I agree totally Shiela, they kicked them out without investigating. I

> am wondering if anyone has never opened up a tumour and found fungus?

[Guest guest]

> Yer see, too many people know too much medicine and not enough

> chemistry.

Are you saying Bob that there is/may be merit in this sodium

bicarbonate idea? I've read with great interest all the blurb about

it since Sheila's original post and I must say it's intriguing.

But I'm so cynical that I have to spend ages reading and weighing

everything up before jumping on any bandwagon. But sometimes things

are a lot simpler than we make them. Just the other day the front

page headlines in a national newspaper said how megadoses of Vitamin

C may help cure cancer. I've looked into that one before and it

seems to have some merit, so we can't dismiss things out of hand

just because they seem elementary.

I'd love to think that taking sodium bicarbonate would help take

care of candida, being someone who's trying to eliminate that at the

moment.

The chemistry backs that idea up, yes?

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Hi

Are you having any sucess treating the candida?

I am doing the 3 week treatment with Fluconazole at the moment, 2nd one tomorrow. cant say I feel any different after the first one last week though! I am pretty sure I dont have a bad case of it though. I am taking a good prebiotic too that I bought from Nutri as they say we have to replace the good bacteria too and I am trying to watch what sugar I eat aswell.

Not much more I can do really but might try the sodium bicarb after this treatment is finished though

From: marlene804667 <marlene.emmett@...>Subject: Re: some medical folk honestly discussing sodium bicarb-For info following Mercothyroid treatment Date: Monday, 11 August, 2008, 2:51 PM

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....and what would we do without our favour Chemist Bob?

Luv - Sheila

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Hi

A conversation I had with someone working at an Occidental Oil company site led Armand Hammer to bring out his Sodium Bicarbonate based toothpaste "Arm and Hammer".

All the other manufacturers of toothpastes promptly followed suit.

I can name the time and date of the telephone call which is probably also logged ( I doubt they'd miss a trick ) within the US/ NSA database fed back to US businesses as telephone intercept intelligence .......

I can't imagine why on earth all these well endowed and respectable businesses would follow such a naiive and elementary change for 'no apparent reason'.......

Ask the dentists if the incidence of oral disease has dimished significantly during the last ten or so years? Did I hear that it has, or was I just thinking wishfully? It 'registered' at a time when I didn't connect the two events.

I have no axe to grind, no financial interests, I only passed on an innocent observation to a colleague...I forget the context....

I said that sodium bicarbonate doesn't taste quite so bad as sodium chloride since it's the chloride that gives the ordinary salt its strong taste (and not the sodium).

This remains true in cells of all types, they 'taste' the surrounding environment and bicarbonate is so ubiquitous and is accommodated within the normal range of chemistries in those departments, that it is a common-place, as is chloride.

A special enzyme deals with the transition between carbon dioxide and bicarbonate ~ it's known as the carbonic anhydrase enzyme and it depends principally upon zinc (but magnesium will do at a push) for activation.

Each red cell contains buckets of iron in haemoglobin but also lots of zinc in carbonic anhydrase, else the basic process of breathing out carbon dioxide would become progressively more energy consuming and laborious.

What sodium bicarbonate would do to any cell, and especially cells that are hypoxic, and operating at a relatively higher metabolic rate is to suffocate them in carbon dioxide beyond the cells ability to proceess it (CO2 ~ as bicarbonate).

At the same time, it would raise the pH inside the cell to remove the magnesium from ATPase that produces all the cellular energy.....in effect, the cell would die on its feet without any energy to sustain the mitochondria and the cell .... what's known as the mitochondrial membrane potential would be disrupted leading to the process that causes apoptosis ~ the cytochrome c is booted out of (lost from) the mitochondria ~ and the cell dies, allbeit there are millions of mitochondria per cell.

The regular process for cell death 'apoptosis' is the normal method that allows the contents of the cell to be mopped up by macrophages and the whole process doesn't disturb homeostasis. Whereas, the necrotic process does ( causes inflammation etc).

Antibiotics that shred the cell walls will cause a necrotic-like reaction, hence it's more likely that a Herxheimer reaction will take place.

In treating tumours, you need to starve the cells into submission, cut off the blood supply and stop the production of energy.

The same holds true for pathogenic bacteria and fungi.

It's almost irrelevant if you can do all these things in one fell swoop for tumour cells and for pathogenic bacteria and fungi.

If you can cut off the energy supply by stopping the access of magnesium ions, the cell's dead.

I don't have the resources nor the top universities at my disposal to establish the truth.

Often, common sense screams out the truth; the scientists can prove or disprove the truth of the matter ~ it's known as negating a hypothesis, to leave the hypothesis standing, or not.

Without a logical thought process, no-one gets anywhere .....

best wishes

Bob

> > > > Yer see, too many people know too much medicine and not enough > > chemistry.> > Are you saying Bob that there is/may be merit in this sodium > bicarbonate idea? I've read with great interest all the blurb about > it since Sheila's original post and I must say it's intriguing. >

[Guest guest]

Excellent rationale Bob

My side of the seesaw on the bicarb idea just went up again I lean

towards believing it) If people keep disgussing it I will eventually

get sick lol.

I love good in depth investigations from people who know what they are

talking about, and that I can understand, I just managed to understand

that.... awesome

lotsa luv

Dawnx

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> Hi

> Are you having any sucess treating the candida?

Hi

To be honest I'm not sure whether I'm having any success or not! I

had to give up the treatment (caprylic acid and probiotics)a few

weeks ago because of a reaction to something. I've sorted that now

(turns out it wasn't anything to do with the candida treatment). So

as of a few days ago I've reintroduced the acidophilus I was taking.

My diet is completely sugar free except for the fructose in fruit

and has been for a couple of years, so I can't do anymore on that

front. But I'll reintroduce the caprylic acid soon.

Dr P did tell me to keep doing the spit test to see if the candida

was gone or not. I had a few days earlier on when it was negative

but now the strands are back, so I guess the candida is still there.

The only change I've noticed is that the acidophilus seems to take

care of any constipation, which is very welcome.

Like you, I'm considering the bicarb route. The difficult thing is

though that when you don't actaully have a definite candida symptom

as a marker, how do you know when it's gone, short of paying for yet

another test?

Good luck with it .

[Guest guest]

We all have candida in our system to some degree, but yes how do we know its gone??

I dont really have any symptoms of having it or of it being gone! Very hard to judge on this one isnt it?

From: marlene804667 <marlene.emmett@...>Subject: Re: some medical folk honestly discussing sodium bicarb-For info following Mercothyroid treatment Date: Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 10:09 AM

>> Hi > Are you having any sucess treating the candida?Hi To be honest I'm not sure whether I'm having any success or not! I had to give up the treatment (caprylic acid and probiotics)a few weeks ago because of a reaction to something. I've sorted that now (turns out it wasn't anything to do with the candida treatment). So as of a few days ago I've reintroduced the acidophilus I was taking. My diet is completely sugar free except for the fructose in fruit and has been for a couple of years, so I can't do anymore on that front. But I'll reintroduce the caprylic acid soon. Dr P did tell me to keep doing the spit test to see if the candida was gone or not. I had a few days earlier

on when it was negative but now the strands are back, so I guess the candida is still there.The only change I've noticed is that the acidophilus seems to take care of any constipation, which is very welcome.Like you, I'm considering the bicarb route. The difficult thing is though that when you don't actaully have a definite candida symptom as a marker, how do you know when it's gone, short of paying for yet another test? Good luck with it . Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.