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Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 9:56:11 AM, you wrote:

o> The doctors recommend taking apirin or ibuprofin to cut the pain

o> and swelling, but with a band we're not supposed to take the stuff.

o> I tried taking the liquid children's Ib, but all it did was make my

o> tongue numb and did absolutely nothing for the pain. What can one do?

I take ibuprofen on occasion. Take it with a warm drink to wash it

through, and then drink more to wash it on through so it won't

irritate stomach. Personally, I think the anti-ibuprofen thing is

overdone IF you don't have other stomach problems and IF you make sure

it gets through the stoma instead of just sitting there irritating it.

But of course I'm not your doctor.....

dan

Dan Lester, Boise, ID honu@... www.mylapband.tk

Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/28/03

323/209/199 Age 61

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The Nsaids are good to avoid if you can at all. They can harm the

stomach in 2 ways - by damaging the membranes by coming into contact

with them, but - more importantly - by getting into the bloodstream

(as all swallowed meds do) and altering the protective stomach

chemicals and hormones that are essential in avoiding stomach damage.

You can avoid the " contact " issue by being careful to wash them (and

all meds) completely through the stoma, but you can never avoid the

potential damage from getting into the bloodstream.

some can get away with NSAIDs for a short period of time, but I've

known several people who got severe gastitis after only a day or two

of NSAIDs and one needed hospitalization.

You and your doc need to decide what to do. You might try the

ibuprophen liquid for a couple days and be VERY attune to any

burning, pain, or stomach irritation. you might also avoid coffee,

OJ, alcohol and other stomach irritants during this time. Good luck -

Sandy R

> I have a question about pain relievers. I over did it at work a

> couple of weeks ago and ended up with shin splints, killer ones.

> I've been doing all I can to get the darn things healed up--

> elevation and cold packs. Since I can't stay home from work (

entry

> level, on call, no sick leave.. don't work --there's the door type

> job) It's taking a lot longer than necessary to heal.

> The doctors recommend taking apirin or ibuprofin to cut the pain

> and swelling, but with a band we're not supposed to take the

stuff.

> I tried taking the liquid children's Ib, but all it did was make my

> tongue numb and did absolutely nothing for the pain. What can one

do?

>

> Otter

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Sandy,

I have been on Celebrex for severe arthritis for several years with

the full knowledge of my surgeon and the only time I went off of it

was for 10 days prior to and after my surgery. The surgeon and my

family physician feel that my being able to move and get around far

ouweighs the small chance of stomach damage caused by N-saids. It is

a very individual thing and many people cannot do them without damage

and symptoms of that damage. Symptoms will occur if you have problems

with N-saids.

I fully agree that using plenty of fluid to get them through the band

and then through the stomcah is very important ti prevent contact

damage.

Charlie

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Otter have you tried Exedrin quick tabs? I think they are marvelous. They

don't taste all that swell, but they melt really fast and you can just drink

water after you eat them. They take about 30 minutes to work, but they do work.

I

used these alot during the first 2 weeks post-op. Hope you're feeling better.

Kerrie

In a message dated 9/30/2004 7:56:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

The doctors recommend taking apirin or ibuprofin to cut the pain

and swelling, but with a band we're not supposed to take the stuff.

I tried taking the liquid children's Ib, but all it did was make my

tongue numb and did absolutely nothing for the pain. What can one do?

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When discussing medications with my doctor, he indicated that THESE

issues are actually attributable to Naproxin Salts (Aleve, Aleve

Caplet, Anaprox, Anaprox-DS, EC Naprosyn, Naprelan, Naprosyn), which

NSAIDs, but that other NSAIDs, taken in moderation, did not cause

these results.

Because of that, I use liquid tylenol with no ill effect.

Of course, YMMV (your mileage may vary) and please check with YOUR

doctor.

Mona

> The Nsaids are good to avoid if you can at all. They can harm the

> stomach in 2 ways - by damaging the membranes by coming into

contact

> with them, but - more importantly - by getting into the

bloodstream

> (as all swallowed meds do) and altering the protective stomach

> chemicals and hormones that are essential in avoiding stomach

damage.

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Yes, these are very good meds - but it is *still* as impt as with

*any* other med to drink a glass of fluid after them to wash them

completely through! ALL meds can be very irritating to stomach

tissues, when the med sits there as it can with a banded stomach.

Bandsters have different needs than most others, particularly

regarding meds and irritating foods and drink. Keeping your stomach

safe and the band healthy is very impt. sandy RN

> Otter have you tried Exedrin quick tabs? I think they are

marvelous. They

> don't taste all that swell, but they melt really fast and you can

just drink

> water after you eat them. They take about 30 minutes to work, but

they do work. I

> used these alot during the first 2 weeks post-op. Hope you're

feeling better.

>

> Kerrie

>

> In a message dated 9/30/2004 7:56:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> writes:

> The doctors recommend taking apirin or ibuprofin to cut the pain

> and swelling, but with a band we're not supposed to take the

stuff.

> I tried taking the liquid children's Ib, but all it did was make my

> tongue numb and did absolutely nothing for the pain. What can one

do?

>

>

>

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Yes, these are very good meds - but it is *still* as impt as with

*any* other med to drink a glass of fluid after them to wash them

completely through! ALL meds can be very irritating to stomach

tissues, when the med sits there as it can with a banded stomach.

Bandsters have different needs than most others, particularly

regarding meds and irritating foods and drink. Keeping your stomach

safe and the band healthy is very impt. sandy RN

> Otter have you tried Exedrin quick tabs? I think they are

marvelous. They

> don't taste all that swell, but they melt really fast and you can

just drink

> water after you eat them. They take about 30 minutes to work, but

they do work. I

> used these alot during the first 2 weeks post-op. Hope you're

feeling better.

>

> Kerrie

>

> In a message dated 9/30/2004 7:56:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> writes:

> The doctors recommend taking apirin or ibuprofin to cut the pain

> and swelling, but with a band we're not supposed to take the

stuff.

> I tried taking the liquid children's Ib, but all it did was make my

> tongue numb and did absolutely nothing for the pain. What can one

do?

>

>

>

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I'm afraid this simply is not true.

ALL the NSAIDS can cause trouble for bandsters - and non-bandsters as

well. ALL have been documented to cause trouble, not just those with

the naproxen salts.

Tylenol is NOT an NSAID, so it is generally ok to take, unless you

have liver damage or drink a lot, or are allergic to it. ALL

medications have possible side-effects.

There are lots of reports on the boards of people who got into

serious trouble with even a few doses of NSAIDS, some even requiring

hospitalization and transfusions. Vioxx has just today been removed

from the market because of links to heart attacks and strokes.

One lady said, in repsonding to someone who said his doctor ok'd

NSAIDS: " My doctor also ok'd a few doses of ibuprophen. He also

ok'd my hospital admission 3 days later with severe bleeding

gastritis. " SAndy RN

> > The Nsaids are good to avoid if you can at all. They can harm the

> > stomach in 2 ways - by damaging the membranes by coming into

> contact

> > with them, but - more importantly - by getting into the

> bloodstream

> > (as all swallowed meds do) and altering the protective stomach

> > chemicals and hormones that are essential in avoiding stomach

> damage.

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Before I got banded I tried them. They gave me the worse heart burn

I've ever had..and I rarely ever get heart burn. I thought they would

be a good option after banding but now am afraid to bother with them

since that awful stomach bout I had with the acid coming back up. I

remember drinking water with them too, they just didn't work for me.

Best of luck with them as they do seem to be a viable option to those

who can't swallow pills or don't want to crush them.

Kem in Eugene

286/266/150

Dr. Neal 8.6.04

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<< Subject: Re: Pain Relief Question

Otter have you tried Exedrin quick tabs? I think they are marvelous.

They

don't taste all that swell, but they melt really fast and you can just

drink

water after you eat them. They take about 30 minutes to work, but they

do work. I

used these alot during the first 2 weeks post-op. Hope you're feeling

better.

Kerrie>>

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