Re: on the subject of kids and eating...

[Guest guest]

Sandy,

Thanks for the info. I really dont think my daughter has the commitment or

maturity right now. Plus, when the time comes, I would really like her to go

through the program I went through. Tufts NEMC in Boston is wonderful, and only

15 miles from home. I do think I read about a Dr in NYC that bands teens....I

was an overweight teen too and I would hate to see her go through the tough

years overweight..I will definately be in touch with her if we do decide to do

the band ahead of what our doctors suggest.

Patty

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[Guest guest]

The problem is that it is essentially impossible to regulate marketing to kids.

Yeah, they've cut back a bit on what they advertise on Saturday morning cartoons

(which I assume kids still watch), but there is nothing keeping them from seeing

all the ads for food, beer, restaurants, and so forth all the rest of the time.

And if a kid has a parent who lets him/her watch anything on any TV channel,

then there's all the more stuff available for them to see ads for. Then there

is the marketing in the stores, on signs, from peer pressure, and so forth.

I'm one who firmly believes that food, like drugs and cigarettes, are NOT the

problem of the government, but the problem of the PARENTS. No, you can't

control your kid every minute of the day and night, but you can give good

training and guidance, and can exert control in the areas where you can do so.

Although I'm sure you're not one of them, there are all too many adults (many of

whom I don't consider " parents " ) who provide almost no education or guidance or

anything. And then we wonder why 14 year old girls are pregnant, why others are

addicts, and so forth....

dan

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> You are SO right about a big part of the battle being the environment and

> IMO it's sickening that the government (of the heaviest country on the

> planet no less) has barely done anything to regulate marketing to kids.

[Guest guest]

Audrey, I know you know this....but there is NO REASON to give her all those

" goodies " unless they are healthy ones. Have you looked at sugar free jellos

and puddings that come in little cups? Yogurt? Turkey jerky? There is

actually no legal requirement that we have something sweet at every meal....

And, as you point out she MAY just have some of that " baby fat " , though know I

STILL have some of mine, almost 64 years later....

cheers

dan

RE: Re: on the subject of kids and eating...

> Carol & Patty,

> I am very sorry to hear about the weight problems in your family. I am in

somewhat the same boat here at my house. Sort of... I am married to a man who

has no problems with his weight he is 5'8 " and weighs about 130 however we have

a daughter who is 6 and already weighs 60 lbs. She is also about 4'1 " or 2 " so

she is tall but has that little tummy that just haunts me of my childhood.

> I know some of her eating habits aren't the best and I think sometimes I

assist in that still even after my band surgery. I'm always looking for new

" goodies " to pack in her lunch.

> I'm hoping that as time goes on her and I will learn together the correct

way to eat. I have lost 100 lbs with my lapband and I know she sees that is

important to my health. Sometimes it worries me that she will be too consumed

with " losing weight " and I don't want that either.

> On the other hand I have a 13 year old son (who has a different dad but his

dad is not a thin man) and he is about 5'7 " and weighs about 130-140 so again no

problem with weight and never has had a problem. So I'm hoping that my daughter

will " catch up " with her weight and start to thin out as she gets older.

> Audrey

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I would love for other teens to talk with Candyce. She won't go on these boards

because everyone is adults and I relate back to her what I learn. She is

struggling right now, and I worry a little that we are going to go to this first

fill and it won't be enough of a fill and then we will have to wait and go back

and she will gain in the meantime. Will they more than likely put 1cc in her

band? She has a 4cc band. I kind of dread if we have to go back a lot, but we

will do it. She graduates in May and what a gift she will haven given herself

to be down in her weight. Thanks for all the encouragement, some people think

we were crazy for doing this but we have peace about it. Alyce

Re: Re: on the subject of kids and

eating...

>

> Carol,

> I have a 13 year old that is 235 lbs. She is a big girl, 5'7 " even

has size 11 shoes....

> I had my surgery at Tuft NEMC and I have talked to my surgeon about

having her banded. The surgeon was all for it, but her (and my)

weight loss psychologist said NO WAY. At 13 it would be my decision

and not hers, and he didnt feel she is ready to make the commitment,

but we could revisit it again when she is 16.

> Now I dont have any junk food at my house, we havent been to

Mcs in a year....For the last year she has gained weight every

month...Last month she lost 5 lbs, so maybe she is ready....

>

> Patty

> LapBand

> 02/28/05

> 280/152/150

> ------------ -- Original message ------------ --------- -

>

>

[Guest guest]

Alyce, the first fill is rarely enough, and it isn't even MEANT to

be The stomach is extremely sensitive, and we have to creep up

slowly with fiils so the stomach doesn't have a fit.

It would not be too unusual to gain a bit, unless we were doijg

really well with the self-limiting parts needed, and that's hard at

first.

Each fill is determined by the doc's assessment of many tghings-

there is nevr any standard amount.

We just have to go and get fills whenever needed, since that's the

only way the band works well, and then we also have to put in some

good effort ourselves. Even after she gets to a good level, as she

loses, she'll need further periodic fills to keep the band snug.

I know you know all this.

Is your dau in threrapy? That's really imot, to start to look at the

food issues we all have, and see what emotional needs we're trying

to " feed " with food - and then learn better ways of meeting those

needs.

Sandy R

> >

> > Hi, I know how you feel. My 17 yr. daughter has just been banded.

> She weighed 233 when we got to Mexico. Dr. Kuri did the surgery and

> he talked to about her part in this. It has been somewhat hard,

even

> though we are 100% happy we did it, other people have judged us. I

> heard from my daughter today that some gastric bypass person was

> saying how a high school student got the band and she did not even

> need it. Since when is 108 lbs overweight not serious for a 17 yr.

> old. Anyway I need to ignore people I guess, because nothing we did

> worked and her weight kept going up, up, up. Her future looks

bright

> now. She has been judged so badly, because she is in drama and this

> is her future choice in college. We went to Mexico because of the

> experience of the Dr. #1, and #2 it would have been difficult to

> have it done in the US. We're thrilled with her future, but she has

> to use it as a tool and has to do her part. I wish the best for

your

> daughter. Alyce

> >

> >

> > Re: Re: on the subject of kids and

> eating...

> >

> > Carol,

> > I have a 13 year old that is 235 lbs. She is a big girl, 5'7 "

even

> has size 11 shoes....

> > I had my surgery at Tuft NEMC and I have talked to my surgeon

about

> having her banded. The surgeon was all for it, but her (and my)

> weight loss psychologist said NO WAY. At 13 it would be my decision

> and not hers, and he didnt feel she is ready to make the

commitment,

> but we could revisit it again when she is 16.

> > Now I dont have any junk food at my house, we havent been to

> Mcs in a year....For the last year she has gained weight

every

> month...Last month she lost 5 lbs, so maybe she is ready....

> >

> > Patty

> > LapBand

> > 02/28/05

> > 280/152/150

> > ------------ -- Original message ------------ --------- -

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Patience is a must isn't it? Thearpy has been talked about. She is very well

adjusted but she overate for a reason and I agree that needs addressed. Thanks

for the info. I forgot to ask you do you have to wait a certain amount of times

between fills? I suppose the stomach needs to overcome the stress from the fill.

Alyce

Re: Re: on the subject of kids and

> eating...

> >

> > Carol,

> > I have a 13 year old that is 235 lbs. She is a big girl, 5'7 "

even

> has size 11 shoes....

> > I had my surgery at Tuft NEMC and I have talked to my surgeon

about

> having her banded. The surgeon was all for it, but her (and my)

> weight loss psychologist said NO WAY. At 13 it would be my decision

> and not hers, and he didnt feel she is ready to make the

commitment,

> but we could revisit it again when she is 16.

> > Now I dont have any junk food at my house, we havent been to

> Mcs in a year....For the last year she has gained weight

every

> month...Last month she lost 5 lbs, so maybe she is ready....

> >

> > Patty

> > LapBand

> > 02/28/05

> > 280/152/150

> > ------------ -- Original message ------------ --------- -

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Alyce,

The program that I went through required a 6 week behavior modification

program....and lots of post op support. I go to a monthly closed " post op lap

band support group " and I also go to a monthly meeting which is about 1/2 and

1/2 post op and pre op lap banders.....The are both run by a great

psychologist.....Most of us (even at all different stages of our lives) have the

same issues and we try to help each other out. They did tell me they would not

do anykind of weight loss sugery on a minor without at least six months pre-op

modification....

Patty

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From: Candyce s <puglover_44@...>

> Patience is a must isn't it? Thearpy has been talked about. She is very well

> adjusted but she overate for a reason and I agree that needs addressed.

Thanks

> for the info. I forgot to ask you do you have to wait a certain amount of

times

> between fills? I suppose the stomach needs to overcome the stress from the

fill.

> Alyce

>

[Guest guest]

Hello

I have not posted in a while however I read all posts and yours

caught my eye and my heart. I would love to correspond with your

daughter if she would choose to do so. I am 42 and have been

overweight my entire life. My childhood was absolute hell. The

teasing, no boy friends, or dates, no school dances or functions was

terrible. I basically turned to more food as comfort. I was an

emotional eater and at 41 I found myself at 390 pounds. WOW!! I

could not believe the scales. I had no idea I was that large. I

did know I could not weigh on my normal household scales as they

only went to 300 pounds so I assumed I weighed a little over the 300

pounds the scales would only go to. The shock on my face when I was

weighed at the dr. was probably priceless as I could have fell flat

over. I could not believe I had done this to my body. I have 5

children and after each pregnancy I would gain weight and never get

it all off and then another pregnancy and more gained weight to not

ever get off. At 15 my Grandmother had me at the dr. putting me on

diet pills and taking me to TOPS. Here I am at 15 and doing things

that kids don't do. Kids don't go to TOPS or weight loss meetings.

I was the only child and the youngest member there and then I would

have to suffer the embarassment when I gained as at TOPS they let

everyone know how you done for the week. It definately did not help

my self esteem. I would then go home and sneak food to my room and

eat a box of cookies, or whatever was handy. We never had healthy

food in our hoome because my mom and dad divorced when I was 6 and

dad got custody of my sister and me. She never had weight problems

but i had enough for the two of us. Heck when I weighed in at 390 I

was the weight of 3 average healthy sized women. That truly scared

me. Then I become afraid of what i had done to my health like my

heart, etc. I wish I had lost weight and had the opportunity of the

lapband when I was young as your daughter as the Dr. has told me now

my skin elasticity is not like it was as a young lady and now will

have skin issues as the weight is lost. If lost at your daughters

age it would probably shrink down to where it should be. But that

has all passed and is not going to change or help matters now. The

good news On April 24th of 2006( almost 9 months ago ) I have lost a

total of 127 pounds. I love going to the dr. just so I can get on

the scales. Each fill she receives she will most likely feel and

not be able to eat like before. It will really suprise you. Not

once in 9 months have I been hungry or has my stomach even growled

in the 9 months. I thought it would be terrible and I would starve

to death as I did with all other diets. Believe I tried all diets

out there as I am sure your daughter has. Life is completely

differnet know. I have energy I did not have before. I have now

had 5 fills and get one ebey 6 weeks to 2 months. She will know

when she needs one as she will be eating more than when she first

got the fill. Her dr. will take very good care of her and keep her

with healthy fills. Make sure sure gets her vitamins, etc as she is

not going to get that in food anylonger. She will need the vitamins

to keep her immune system up and she don't get sick. It took me 41

years to become 390 so I did not get there by not liking food. I

love food and still do. I still fill my plate to full etc. I know

it will take longer than the 9 months to learn healthier eating

habits. I also need to learn to do somethhing beside eat when I am

emotional. All of this is a learning experience and I learn

something daily and most is what I have learned from this site. It

is helpful and will give you much needed information and will allow

your daughter the suppost she will need. My 13 year old son is

gainning weight over the last 4 to 6 months and is almost 155. It

terrifies me he will have the same issues I have. He will not eat

one can of ravollis but will open two and eat every bite. The

ravolli is an example not what he always actually eats but whatever

he eats he does so in excess and I am afraid the pounds will pile

upon him as they did me. I do not want him to go through what I went

through. Kids can be so cruel and it makes me very sad that kids

and even some grown adults will be cruel and make remarks about us.

The adults whisper within thereselves and not realize I can hear

every thing they say so if I hear it I am sure he hears it. It

Breaks my heart for him to have to hurt and have huret feelings. It

would be nice if your dauhter and him could talk together on the

internet. I know 155 pounds is not drastic but overweight issues

start somewhere. He wears the same size jeans his father did when h

snd I met. When school started he was wearing boy-teen size 16

jeans and now has went through boy-teen 18's , mens 30;s and now

wearing mens 32. He is not even considered eligible for the surgery

but it does upset me that the dr. requires the patient to be

considered morbidly obese unless mediacl issues are concerns due to

weight. So now for him I watch, or at least try to watch whay he

puts in his mouth. He reminds me of me as a youngster becasue now I

find food wrapper etc hidden in his room. I am at lost at what to

do at this time without starving him or just plain not letting him

fill up. I cut food back as well as counted calories, it does not

work for him. Do you have any current ideas? I dp not want him to

fight with his weight as he gains and gets older. Maybe I am

barking up the wrong tree and he will not have an issue but since

August when school started he has gained a little over 25 pounds. He

does not excerise as he is not motivated to do anything but lay in

bed or on the couch watching tv or playing video games. The school

and his Dr. feel he may be depressed so he has an appointment with

an out take counsler on Friday and then with the info they gather

then they will decide if he does need medications, so then they will

schedule him an appointment with a phychatrist that can give him

something for depression if that is what is wrong. He just never

smiles, never seems happy, has a very limited number of friends. He

has had 2 report cards from school this year and recived an F in

every class. His teacher feels he is either depressed of lazy. He

will write his name on the top of the page and the date and that is

as far as he will go. He was tested during Christmas break for

special ed and they found that he is not eligible because he would

pass and make good work if he would do the work. He done very well

when the special ed case worker asked him all the questions she then

ran his answers and he even leveled in some subjects to a grade

higher and then there was a subject or two that he was a year or so

behind but not enough for special ed. He knows he will have to

repeat 7th grade again and promises daily to do better. But never

does try to do better. Hopefully it is the depression that makes

him not want to do anything, but the bad thing is it takes a couple

of weeks for there to be relief from depression when thaking the

meds. So it will not currently affect his school and studies for a

good while and that is only if they give hom somehting that will

work for the depression. I have seen people have to try multiple

anti deppressants before finding one that works. If you have any

suggestion please help me out. I do not want my son to flunk

school. I want to see him laugh and play outside like his

brothers. I only want him well and living a well life. He also

currently takes 25 mg adderall xr for ADD or ADHD. It still does not

make him do better in school, or at home for that matter. I truly

need help over all of this and would love to talk to your daughter.

I also would lik y and here chat on line. Maybe you can talk

to her and see if something could be wotked out. Jscoby has

Messenger on the computer and that is when i am not using the

computer as I have dial up internet service, I do hope to hear form

you again. Tell your daughter she now has another birthday. The day

she got the lapband was the start of a new life for her and the

pounds will come over. It is hard not to cheat, but not

imopossibe. If she craves something let her have a small portion of

it so the crave does not build up and then she begins to overeat

her food she was craving. If she does mess up and basically relapses

enocourage her to start again. A lot of us have tested our bands

just to become sick. Please write me back, as well as your

daughter, because I have been there and been that overweight teen

and maybe something I say to her could help. I do look forward to

hearing from you. My email addy is leighann@... if you want to

email me directy instead of going through the wqeb site.

Looking forward to a future chat

Leigh Ann

lapband

04,24,2006

390/263/225

I set mall goals and then when I meet them i will assign myself a

new target weight goal.

\t

> >

> > Hi, I know how you feel. My 17 yr. daughter has just been

banded.

> She weighed 233 when we got to Mexico. Dr. Kuri did the surgery

and

> he talked to about her part in this. It has been somewhat hard,

even

> though we are 100% happy we did it, other people have judged us. I

> heard from my daughter today that some gastric bypass person was

> saying how a high school student got the band and she did not even

> need it. Since when is 108 lbs overweight not serious for a 17 yr.

> old. Anyway I need to ignore people I guess, because nothing we

did

> worked and her weight kept going up, up, up. Her future looks

bright

> now. She has been judged so badly, because she is in drama and

this

> is her future choice in college. We went to Mexico because of the

> experience of the Dr. #1, and #2 it would have been difficult to

> have it done in the US. We're thrilled with her future, but she

has

> to use it as a tool and has to do her part. I wish the best for

your

> daughter. Alyce

> >

> >

> > Re: Re: on the subject of kids and

> eating...

> >

> > Carol,

> > I have a 13 year old that is 235 lbs. She is a big girl, 5'7 "

even

> has size 11 shoes....

> > I had my surgery at Tuft NEMC and I have talked to my surgeon

about

> having her banded. The surgeon was all for it, but her (and my)

> weight loss psychologist said NO WAY. At 13 it would be my

decision

> and not hers, and he didnt feel she is ready to make the

commitment,

> but we could revisit it again when she is 16.

> > Now I dont have any junk food at my house, we havent been to

> Mcs in a year....For the last year she has gained weight

every

> month...Last month she lost 5 lbs, so maybe she is ready....

> >

> > Patty

> > LapBand

> > 02/28/05

> > 280/152/150

> > ------------ -- Original message ------------ --------- -

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Candyce,

the comments your daughter overheard or heard about teenage banding is

a good example of why its best not to publicize this very personal

thing. adults are judgemental and self righteous enough, but kids,

particularly teenage girls, can be downright evil. Get three teenage

girls together and two of them will frequently gang up on the third.

they can be very mean.

and you know what? its nobody's business but your daughter's. in the

meantime, tell your daughter that if anyone makes any comments to her

about the whole thing, no matter if they disdain her for having the

procedure or minimize her results because she didn't do it completely

on her own, she should just say, " thank you for sharing " and change

the subject or leave the room.

thank you for saving your daughter's future.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the encourarging words.

Re: on the subject of kids and eating...

Candyce,

the comments your daughter overheard or heard about teenage banding is

a good example of why its best not to publicize this very personal

thing. adults are judgemental and self righteous enough, but kids,

particularly teenage girls, can be downright evil. Get three teenage

girls together and two of them will frequently gang up on the third.

they can be very mean.

and you know what? its nobody's business but your daughter's. in the

meantime, tell your daughter that if anyone makes any comments to her

about the whole thing, no matter if they disdain her for having the

procedure or minimize her results because she didn't do it completely

on her own, she should just say, " thank you for sharing " and change

the subject or leave the room.

thank you for saving your daughter's future.

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[Guest guest]

This subject is dear to my heart. I've worked most of my life with disabled,

or otherwise considered " not normal " teens. Many were " normal " but had

become very obese and felt like outsiders. When I got my band and was told

it would be so much better for Teens than the RNY, I became very interested

in promoting this. When I was transferred to Stanford in CA, it was one of

the 5 centers in the country that did Bariatrics for minors. However, the

Lap Band has not been approved for minors yet, just the RNY. Stanford does

have a few minor LapBandsters because their heart conditions could not

tolerate the severity of the RNY. The parents had to advocate a long time to

get the band instead.

I've gotten to know two of them, a boy and a girl. They come to the same

fill day when the rest of us do. I was immediately impressed with their

enthusiasm, but also alarmed at their immaturity. Like most kids, they love

to cut corners. They spoke occasionally of entertaining bulimic type

behaviors to get the " band to work faster " . They had problems at times when

they were socializing and found out they could not eat as much as their

friends. So they tried to force the pizza in anyhow and paid the

consequences.

Support wise, they were kinda caught in the middle. They really did not fit

in with the adults, nor the pediatric weight control programs. I do know

that the surgeons are pushing for the FDA to get the band approved for teens

and so is Inamed (Allergan). New York seems to have a program really

promoting this.

I do know that Dr. Kuri does bands on kids as young as 13. Does anybody have

data on how they are progressing? It seems there would have to be very

severe support.counseling systems in place to be there for them. But I'm all

for it. Our Stanford girl would LOVE to get together with the adult females

and shop. But she needs teens her own age to hang out with.

Barb

Where the Redwoods Meet The Pacific Ocean

-------Original Message-------

..

Thanks for the encourarging words.

Re: on the subject of kids and eating...

Candyce,

the comments your daughter overheard or heard about teenage banding is

a good example of why its best not to publicize this very personal

thing. adults are judgemental and self righteous enough, but kids,

particularly teenage girls, can be downright evil. Get three teenage

girls together and two of them will frequently gang up on the third.

they can be very mean.

and you know what? its nobody's business but your daughter's. in the

meantime, tell your daughter that if anyone makes any comments to her

about the whole thing, no matter if they disdain her for having the

procedure or minimize her results because she didn't do it completely

on her own, she should just say, " thank you for sharing " and change

the subject or leave the room.

thank you for saving your daughter's future.

__________________________________________________________

Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate

in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A.

http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545367

[Guest guest]

Dr.Kuri has banded several younger teens (13-16) by bow, and they are

all doing exceptionally well. All but one have banded moms too, and

this surely helps in many ways. It can also make it harder for the

kids to learn themselves what is needed. Eating what a banded mom

puts on the table at home is easier that choosing good foods when out

with friends!

SAndy R

>

>

> This subject is dear to my heart. I've worked most of my life with

disabled,

> or otherwise considered " not normal " teens. Many were " normal " but

had

> become very obese and felt like outsiders. When I got my band and

was told

> it would be so much better for Teens than the RNY, I became very

interested

> in promoting this. When I was transferred to Stanford in CA, it was

one of

> the 5 centers in the country that did Bariatrics for minors.

However, the

> Lap Band has not been approved for minors yet, just the RNY.

Stanford does

> have a few minor LapBandsters because their heart conditions could

not

> tolerate the severity of the RNY. The parents had to advocate a

long time to

> get the band instead.

>

> I've gotten to know two of them, a boy and a girl. They come to the

same

> fill day when the rest of us do. I was immediately impressed with

their

> enthusiasm, but also alarmed at their immaturity. Like most kids,

they love

> to cut corners. They spoke occasionally of entertaining bulimic type

> behaviors to get the " band to work faster " . They had problems at

times when

> they were socializing and found out they could not eat as much as

their

> friends. So they tried to force the pizza in anyhow and paid the

> consequences.

>

> Support wise, they were kinda caught in the middle. They really did

not fit

> in with the adults, nor the pediatric weight control programs. I do

know

> that the surgeons are pushing for the FDA to get the band approved

for teens

> and so is Inamed (Allergan). New York seems to have a program

really

> promoting this.

>

> I do know that Dr. Kuri does bands on kids as young as 13. Does

anybody have

> data on how they are progressing? It seems there would have to be

very

> severe support.counseling systems in place to be there for them.

But I'm all

> for it. Our Stanford girl would LOVE to get together with the adult

females

> and shop. But she needs teens her own age to hang out with.

>

> Barb

>

> Where the Redwoods Meet The Pacific Ocean

> -------Original Message-------

>

> .

>

> Thanks for the encourarging words.

>

> Re: on the subject of kids and eating...

>

> Candyce,

>

> the comments your daughter overheard or heard about teenage banding

is

> a good example of why its best not to publicize this very personal

> thing. adults are judgemental and self righteous enough, but kids,

> particularly teenage girls, can be downright evil. Get three

teenage

> girls together and two of them will frequently gang up on the

third.

> they can be very mean.

>

> and you know what? its nobody's business but your daughter's. in

the

> meantime, tell your daughter that if anyone makes any comments to

her

> about the whole thing, no matter if they disdain her for having the

> procedure or minimize her results because she didn't do it

completely

> on her own, she should just say, " thank you for sharing " and change

> the subject or leave the room.

>

> thank you for saving your daughter's future.

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________________

> Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate

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