Re: Iodine deficiency Maps

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ladybugsandbees wrote:

> Just kind of interesting to see how much of the US is depleted of Iodine

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> http://www.goatworld.com/articles/iodine.shtml

> http://mark.asci.ncsu.edu/nutrit~1/NutritionSlides/59.jpg

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Further, the iodine deficient areas are also commonly deficient in

selenium, so the two go together. When we got our cows,

the farmer said to be sure the lick had selenium in it too,

because this is a deficient area.

And yeah, iodine deficiency is a huge problem worldwide.

Part of it is also that some staple foods, like cassava,

block iodine usage, and part of it is that iodine evaporates

from the soil. I wonder if that is why irrigating with sea water,

or using foliar sprays of seaweed-tea, or planting fish with

the plants or using fish fertilizer, work so well. Plants

need iodine too! But most of it winds up in the ocean.

I wonder why the lower states are NOT so iodine

deficient? Maybe from hurricanes and other storms

that pick up seawater and dump it? The second map

looks a lot like the hurricane-belt!

-- Heidi

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My dad use to put all the fish guts and heads around the roses. Interesting!!!

Liz

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Interesting...the planting with fish...I remember as a kid, my dad, and his dad and his dad...planted everything with fish heads. This may sound weird, and does to me, because until I read your post, had actually forgotten this!!! wow,....see past generations knew sooooo much.

Michigan

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You raise some good questions. I wonder that too.

B.

urthI wonder why the lower states are NOT so iodinedeficient? Maybe from hurricanes and other stormsthat pick up seawater and dump it? The second maplooks a lot like the hurricane-belt!-- Heidi._,_.___

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I live in Florida and so far everyone I know

who has done a patch test for iodine has been deficient, and most of us

extremely so. Actually, one of my employees eats more shrimp than anyone on

earth and is still low in iodine.

Allyn

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deficiency Maps

You raise some good questions. I

wonder that too.

B.

urth

I wonder why the lower states are NOT so iodine

deficient? Maybe from hurricanes and other storms

that pick up seawater and dump it? The second map

looks a lot like the hurricane-belt!

-- Heidi

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My understanding is that glaciers are one of the major factors that depleted the soils of iodine (and I would presume other minerals such as selenium). That is why the northern region is said to have less iodine.

Heavy rainfall is also supposed to contribute to depletion.

Whereas anything near the oceans is supposed to benefit from the evaporation from the ocean (including iodine), and then resulting rains.

Zoe

>>>I wonder why the lower states are NOT so iodine deficient? Maybe from hurricanes and other stormsthat pick up seawater and dump it? The second map looks a lot like the hurricane-belt! -- Heidi

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So, the red states on the map are deficient in soil?I was raised in IL, I thought for sure that state would be red. Hmmm?jackieOn Aug 23, 2006, at 7:44 PM, ladybugsandbees wrote:Just kind of interesting to see how much of the US is depleted of Iodine http://www.goatworld.com/articles/iodine.shtmlhttp://mark.asci.ncsu.edu/nutrit~1/NutritionSlides/59.jpg   B.   www.myspace.com/jordanreimermusic

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In earlier times when one country or empire conquered

another one of the things they did was to ''salt the earth''

that ruined the earth forever as farmland. Not a good idea to

salt the earth if you plan on farming it.

The American Indians taught the earliest settlers in

the Massachusetts Bay Colony how to plant Maize (corn) and

they did it by putting a small fish in the earth for

fertilizer before they planted the seed. There are various

paintings of this in many museums. It's a form of compost as

is just about any organic matter that is not too acidic.

Sea water (salt) is very destructive to crops of any

kind. We associate salt with iodine but that is a

misconception because the only reason the iodine is in it is

because the govt. has by law ordered companies that process

and sell salt to put iodine in it. Under normal circumstances

iodine is not in salt. The reason the govt. chose salt is

because it was the most common condiment used by virtually

everyone in the country at a time when virtually no one had

any refrigeration. Unfortunately salt turns out not to be a

good conveyor of iodine as it works against it's absorption.

BOB

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This is interesting..................... According to this map

http://tinyurl.com/mgd4k

The whole of Australia is "likely deficient"

Looks like the ones you have on yours show more deficiency in the USA than mine which are marked "likely sufficient".(which means they aren't sure)........... The lower states show suffiency as yours does.

Got the map from this Shomon article

http://thyroid.about.com/od/newscontroversies/a/toomuchiodine.htm

Says it was updated June 2006 but not sure how old the map is

I remember as a kid always having iodised salt at home .......I'm 58

Meleese in Oz xxx

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From: ladybugsandbees

Just kind of interesting to see how much of the US is depleted of Iodine

http://www.goatworld.com/articles/iodine.shtml

http://mark.asci.ncsu.edu/nutrit~1/NutritionSlides/59.jpg

B.

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I thought that all salt was iodzed until I read the label on my

salt. It most definitly was not I was so suprised.I threw it out and

bought iodized. Now I'm wondering what else we think does and

doesn " t. Just a thought LOL

Debbie

In iodine , " Meleese " <nutralady2001@...> wrote:

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> This is interesting..................... According to this map

>

> http://tinyurl.com/mgd4k

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> The whole of Australia is " likely deficient "

>

> Looks like the ones you have on yours show more deficiency in the

USA than

> mine which are marked " likely sufficient " .(which means they aren't

sure)....

> ...... The lower states show suffiency as yours does.

>

> Got the map from this Shomon article

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> http://thyroid.about.com/od/newscontroversies/a/toomuchiodine.htm

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> Says it was updated June 2006 but not sure how old the map is

>

> I remember as a kid always having iodised salt at home .......I'm

58

>

> Meleese in Oz xxx

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> From: ladybugsandbees

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> Just kind of interesting to see how much of the US is depleted of

Iodine

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> http://www.goatworld.com/articles/iodine.shtml

> http://mark.asci.ncsu.edu/nutrit~1/NutritionSlides/59.jpg

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> B.

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I do not buy iodized salt, I would rather use real salt, seasalt, kosher salt.

Gracia

I thought that all salt was iodzed until I read the label on my salt. It most definitly was not I was so suprised.I threw it out and bought iodized. Now I'm wondering what else we think does and doesn"t. Just a thought LOL Debbie

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I have read the same thing about Glaciers. There was

also a salt water sea that ran right down the middle of the

country where the Mississippi river runs now except it was 3

states wide. A real sea. Lots of geological events have taken

place over a long period of time and it is difficult to

theorize what happened. There are even some who believe that

a civilization existed in the northern latitudes prior to the

last Ice Age and all remnants of it were wiped away by the

Glaciers that covered most of North America and Europe. There

are a lot of questions but very few answers.

Last month a fossilized amphibious creature was found

on Ellsmere Island in northern Canada above the arctic

circle. When that animal lived 20 million years ago the

environment it lived in was a tropical swamp! Talk about

Global Warming. There is more that we do not know than we do

know about the geological changes that took place in the past

25,000 years.

BOB

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I love my Celtic sea salt, I won't use anything else..................Meleese in Oz xxx

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From: Gracia

I do not buy iodized salt, I would rather use real salt, seasalt, kosher salt.

Gracia

I thought that all salt was iodzed until I read the label on my salt. It most definitly was not I was so suprised.I threw it out and bought iodized. Now I'm wondering what else we think does and doesn"t. Just a thought LOL Debbie

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another thing to take into account (especially if you live in the UK) is that our vegetables come from all over the world. A lot of them come from Spain and the map shows deficiency there. It's not enough to only look at the likely outcome for your own country

Lynda

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robert wrote:

> In earlier times when one country or empire conquered

> another one of the things they did was to ''salt the earth''

> that ruined the earth forever as farmland. Not a good idea to

> salt the earth if you plan on farming it.

>

They wrote that a lot in the histories, but now they are thinking

it was mostly a form of bragging. They also said the blood ran up to

their knees etc.

Salt was so expensive, that plowing it into the ground to the point

that crops wouldn't grow, was like saying you paved the streets

with pure gold. Those old histories were full of amazing hyperbole.

Anyway, I've personally " sown salt " all over our property, mostly

because of fermentation processes gone awry, like when I packed

some beef into like 40 lbs of salt and then forgot about it. The salt

has not stopped, as near as I can tell, one weed from growing.

And they salt our roads regularly, but the weeds beside the road

are just as weedy as ever. I don't know how much salt it takes

to kill weeds, but it's more than I can afford.

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> Sea water (salt) is very destructive to crops of any

> kind. We associate salt with iodine but that is a

> misconception because the only reason the iodine is in it is

> because the govt. has by law ordered companies that process

> and sell salt to put iodine in it. Under normal circumstances

> iodine is not in salt. The reason the govt. chose salt is

> because it was the most common condiment used by virtually

> everyone in the country at a time when virtually no one had

> any refrigeration. Unfortunately salt turns out not to be a

> good conveyor of iodine as it works against it's absorption.

>

I agree: most salt doesn't have a lot of iodine. Seawater does though,

esp. when it's fresh from the sea, being carried into the air by

a big storm.

Anyway, the southern half of the US gets soaked with seawater ... diluted

by rain ... on a regular basis. Which, I'm thinking, might be why it isn't

iodine deficient. Seawater is the only natural source of iodine (some comes

down in the rain too though). Could be the warm water in the gulf releases

iodine into the clouds though, and that rains down too.

Straight seawater kills many plants, but diluted, it adds minerals.

I think the seaweed " teas " people are using for plants are

probably a better choice though ... you get the minerals without

all the sodium.

As for condiments ... I think the Japanese have it right, use furikake! It

tastes better than plain salt, and has many more minerals (not just iodine).

-- Heidi

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Zoe & wrote:

> My understanding is that glaciers are one of the major factors that

> depleted the soils of iodine (and I would presume other minerals such

> as selenium). That is why the northern region is said to have less

> iodine.

Glaciers wreck havoc, for sure: our soil is awful. Plus it rains alot so

everything gets washed away. But iodine is particular in that sunlight

vaporizes it:

http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section1/chapter4/4c.jsp

Iodide occurs in soil and seawater and is oxidized by sunlight to

iodine, which is vaporized into the air. The iodide concentration is 50

to 60 µg/L (394 to 473 nmol/L) in seawater and 0.7 µg/m^3 (5.51 nmol/L)

in the air. Some of this iodide is returned to the soil by rain, but

much is lost in the stratosphere. These events account for the continued

depletion of iodine in soil, its lack of capture by plants, and

continuing iodine deficiency in humans, particularly at higher altitudes

in countries where salt is not fortified with iodide. In

iodine-deficient areas, the iodide concentration in drinking water is <

2 µg/L (< 15.8 nmol/L), whereas in areas close to the sea, the drinking

water contains 4 to 10 µg/L (31.5 to 78.8 nmol/L). The usual intake of

iodide in healthy persons is 100 to 200 µg/day, mostly from iodized salt

(70 µg/g).

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So UNLESS you add iodine to the soil, or nature does somehow, it's

likely to be deficient. If it's always being depleted by the sun, what

process exists to re-add it?

> Whereas anything near the oceans is supposed to benefit from the

> evaporation from the ocean (including iodine), and then resulting rains.

Right. But I live relatively close to the ocean, and we have

iodine-deficient soil. Our seawater is COLD though, and we don't get big

storms. That's why I was theorizing ... California is pretty low in

iodine too, and it is near a fairly warm ocean and doesn't get much

rain. But it doesn't get big ocean-storms either. And why would

Australia be low? Was Australia heavily glaciated? It's odd ...

Hurricanes though, churn up seawater bigtime, and they go far inland. I

wonder what the iodine content is, of a hurricane-monsoon?

-- Heidi

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> Dr. Brownstein told me that the refined " white " salts were very bad

> for me. I use Celtic Sea Salt. He feels so strongly about it that

> he sells the Celtic Salt in his office.

That or he feels so strongly about it BECAUSE he sells it.

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No I don't think so. He sells it really cheap so I am not sure how much money he is making on it. I pay $6 for a pound of Celtic Brand.

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Re: Iodine deficiency Maps

>> Dr. Brownstein told me that the refined "white" salts were very bad > for me. I use Celtic Sea Salt. He feels so strongly about it that > he sells the Celtic Salt in his office.That or he feels so strongly about it BECAUSE he sells it. -

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Well it certainly wouldn't be a money maker, no multi-tiered marketing there.....I love the stuff, I think it loves me actually, ..........can't wait to have my dose in water. All the other salt in the house has been thrown out.I'll never use any other salt again...............Meleese in Oz xxx

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From: ladybugsandbees

No I don't think so. He sells it really cheap so I am not sure how much money he is making on it. I pay $6 for a pound of Celtic Brand.

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>> Dr. Brownstein told me that the refined "white" salts were very bad > for me. I use Celtic Sea Salt. He feels so strongly about it that > he sells the Celtic Salt in his office.That or he feels so strongly about it BECAUSE he sells it. -