Re: Fluoride Detox: Tamarind

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Where did/do you get the tamarind fruit?

Fluoride Detox: Tamarind

I believe I developed fluoride toxicity during a period of 20 yrs.,while I was on a low-sodium diet (prepped all my food & used noiodized salt; don't eat seafood) & at the same time having regular & extensive fluoride exposure due to periodontal procedures. Duringsome of this time I worked adjacent to an office that did 6 fluorideprophys per hour; there may have been some airbone fluoride as well.I now have Hashi's thyroiditis, another AI disease & fibromyalgia.About 8 mos. ago I realized that the severe musculoskeletal pain I wassuffering (had been an insidious onset) each afternoon & evening arosefollowing my aft.(Lipton's black) tea. With research, I discoveredthat the fluoride in the tea was a probable cause. Removing sources of fluoride (esp. tea, water & dental care products)has made a difference. "Dentin bloc gel," a topical desensitizer usedin root scalings is a 4 % fluoride solution. Eliminating that hasmeant I am no longer bed-bound for days after my procedures.Vets use tamarind to treat fluorosis in animals, and there is a bit ofinteresting history about this fruit. In high natural-fluoride waterareas of India, people were symptom-free until the native tamarindfruit was supplanted by more marketable tomatoes. Shortly afte, ratesof mental illness & fluorosis skyrocketed, until tamarind wasreintroduced to the diet.So I am trying the tamarind, a sweet/tart date-like fruit, to assistw/fluoride detox. I eat roughly 10 grams per day -- amts similar towhat were used in research studies which showed effectiveness even inpulling fluoride out of long bones. Tamarind is inexpensive; a pittedblock (about a pound) runs about $1.50.Anyone else out there detoxing from fluoride? I've read that iodine is helpful for detoxing bromine & variousmetals, but haven't seen studies on iodine taking out fluoride. I dobelieve iodine is helpful for preventing fluoride accumulation. Doesanyone have a link or a reference?

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On Apr 10, 2006, at 10:08 AM, Cochran wrote:Where did/do you get the tamarind fruit?Any Indian grocery store.  Sometimes in the ethnic foods sections of a large store like Whole Foods they may have it with the India foods.  It may be a solid block of pressed pulp or in a jar, ready to use. Fluoride Detox: TamarindVets use tamarind to treat fluorosis in animals, and there is a bit ofinteresting history about this fruit.  In high natural-fluoride waterareas of India, people were symptom-free until the native tamarindfruit was supplanted by more marketable tomatoes.  Shortly afte, ratesof mental illness & fluorosis skyrocketed, until tamarind wasreintroduced to the diet.So I am trying the tamarind, a sweet/tart date-like fruit, to assistw/fluoride detox. I eat roughly 10 grams per day -- amts similar towhat were used in research studies which showed effectiveness even inpulling fluoride out of long bones.  Tamarind is inexpensive; a pittedblock (about a pound) runs about $1.50.

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I am fascinated with this use of tamarind and have been looking for more information.I am stopping all my black and green tea drinking until I can find something without fluoride too.  I am achey all the time, all over, too.  Sort of like having the flu, but it doesn't let up.  I bet it is the tea!  I still have to find out about our water here.Here is some of the info I am finding about tamarind & fluoridosis.The Indian study:http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:-3ryhJrGe-AJ:www.fluoride-journal.com/00-33-1/331-33.pdf+tamarind+and+fluoride & hl=en & gl=us & ct=clnk & cd=2 & client=safarihttp://www.saisanjeevini.org/ssc/56.htmFlourosis - SSC 56 + Flourosis Sanjeevini.Flourosis is the condition of the body brought about by natural fluoride in the ground water supply e.g. what we see in Andhra Pradesh. Affected persons' bones begin to twist and turn in the most grotesque fashion. It is beginning to show its ugly head in many parts of India and unfortunately the medical establishment has responded by asking people to drink more milk. This will only create further problems. The solution lies in reverting to using tamarind (well cooked) in our food and doing away with the imported habit of cooking food with tomatoes (Please refer to "Cooking without Tomatoes" under Recipes). It is also good to use lemon in the food frequently. Three years ago when a fluoride conference was held in Puttaparthi, eminent doctors from all over the world applauded Baba's intricate knowledge of the subject but they obviously weren't listening to what He was saying - He said people have given up the habit of eating tamarind and lemon - these habits should be inculcated in young children so that they grow up healthy. Tamarind has the unique capacity to bind the excess fluoride and remove it from the body. Tamarind has the unique quality of binding the excess flouride and removing it from the body. With large-scale conversion of villages from tamarind to tomatoes, flourosis has become a great menace. Tomatoes are not Indian - they were brought to India only 400 years ago by the Portuguese in Goa and other visitors from the North west.http://www.raysahelian.com/tamarind.htmlTamarind intake appears to have an additional beneficial effect on the mobilization of deposited fluoride from bone, by enhancing urinary excretion of fluoride. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=11840184 & dopt=AbstractI'm convinced!  I'm adding tamarind to my daily diet today!Thanks so much for bringing my attention to this important method of detoxing. On Apr 10, 2006, at 9:42 AM, snooz451 wrote: I believe I developed fluoride toxicity during a period of 20 yrs., while I was on a low-sodium diet (prepped all my food & used no iodized salt; don't eat seafood) & at the same time having regular & extensive fluoride exposure due to periodontal procedures.  During some of this time I worked adjacent to an office that did 6 fluoride prophys per hour;  there may have been some airbone fluoride as well. I now have Hashi's thyroiditis, another AI disease & fibromyalgia. About 8 mos. ago I realized that the severe musculoskeletal pain I was suffering (had been an insidious onset) each afternoon & evening arose following my aft.(Lipton's black) tea. With research, I discovered that the fluoride in the tea was a probable cause.   Removing sources of fluoride (esp. tea, water & dental care products) has made a difference.  "Dentin bloc gel," a topical desensitizer used in root scalings is a 4 % fluoride solution.  Eliminating that has meant I am no longer bed-bound for days after my procedures. Vets use tamarind to treat fluorosis in animals, and there is a bit of interesting history about this fruit.  In high natural-fluoride water areas of India, people were symptom-free until the native tamarind fruit was supplanted by more marketable tomatoes.  Shortly afte, rates of mental illness & fluorosis skyrocketed, until tamarind was reintroduced to the diet. So I am trying the tamarind, a sweet/tart date-like fruit, to assist w/fluoride detox. I eat roughly 10 grams per day -- amts similar to what were used in research studies which showed effectiveness even in pulling fluoride out of long bones.  Tamarind is inexpensive; a pitted block (about a pound) runs about $1.50. Anyone else out there detoxing from fluoride?  I've read that iodine is helpful for detoxing bromine & various metals, but haven't seen studies on iodine taking out fluoride.  I do believe iodine is helpful for preventing fluoride accumulation.  Does anyone have a link or a reference?

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Another bit:Traditionally, tamarind is consumed in one form or the other by the people all over India. In South India, tamarind is used throughout the year in the form of various preparations like Curry, ‘Sambhar’, ‘Rasam’, and ‘Chutney’. In North India, especially in summer, Tamarind water blended with ‘jeera’ or other spices are taken as ‘Golguppa’ or as ‘chutney’. Raw mango drinks, barley water with lemon or tamarind or black carrot preparations in the form of cold drinks are also widely used in summer. Many of us, perhaps, are not aware of the health protective role played by these foodstuffs in summer. Scientific investigations have shown that tamarind and raw mango contain some proteins and glycolipids that bind with fluoride and thus protect us from fluoride poisoning. Traditionally, the source of our drinking water is mainly from wells and ponds. It is now well known that well water is rich in fluoride content, particularly in Southern parts of India, it is very high. However in north India, when the water level of the wells goes down in summer, fluoride content in the water goes high. Consumption of tamarind or raw mango has been shown to protect us from fluoride poisoning. This fact was discovered after an incident of heavy fluoride poisoning in a place in south Andhra Pradesh, sometime in late 1980s. The people of this region, sometime in early 1980s, found the cultivation of tomato more lucrative and began to use tomato as a substitute for tamarind and in due course tamarind was altogether eliminated from their food. The result was disastrous. An unidentified serious disease - some neurotic problems afflicted almost the entire population of the region and many became paralysed. It became so serious that the doctors and medical authorities were very much perplexed. After detailed investigations, it was finally discovered that this abnormal disease was due to heavy fluoride poisoning. The people of the region were taking drinking water from wells from time immemorial. Then how comes suddenly this problem arose? Indeed high fluoride content in well water is found in almost all other regions of South India, but the people of these regions were not facing any such fluoride poisoning. The search finally led to the discovery that the elimination of tamarind from the food caused fluoride poisoning. Research carried out on tamarind further established that certain proteins and glycolipids found in tamarind bind with fluoride and thus protect us from fluoride poisoning. Tamarind also contains certain compounds that lend protection from solar radiation and protect us from the damages caused by the free radicals and super oxides.http://www.geocities.com/isebindia/2000/00-01-05.html

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"I've read that iodine is helpful for detoxing bromine & various metals, but haven't seen studies on iodine taking out fluoride. I do believe iodine is helpful for preventing fluoride accumulation. Does anyone have a link or a reference?" snooz451

The only reference I know is the Abraham letter.

Iodine supplementation markedly increases urinary excretion of fluoride and bromide - Letters to the Editor Abraham. Townsend Letter, May, 2003. "Is there a practical and simple way to lower the body's burden of fluoride and bromide? It has been known for sometime now that bromide competes with chloride in the extracellular space and that the total molar concentration of bromide plus chloride remains constant. (8) This concept has been used to decrease extracellular bromide levels by saline loading. However, the presence of bromide in the thyroid gland (9) and the central nervous system (10) suggests that there is another intracellular "pool" of bromide, not responding to chloride. In the thyroid gland, bromide competes with iodide for uptake, oxydation and organification. Therefore, increasing iodide intake should lower bromide levels in the thyroid, preventing and reversing its thyrotoxic and goitrogenic effects. The same applies to fluoride.... We are pursuing further research on the use of the orthoiodo supplementation as a means of detoxification of fluoride and bromide." http://www.looksmarthealth.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2003_May/ai_100767875

If anyone else has any references, I'd be interested.

Zoe

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Thanks, , for all this info. I've added several links to the new folder on fluoride detox (under Clinical Pearls, Detoxing). I also added a few pictures of tamarind to the Photo section. Zoe

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I don't know if anyone has posted the link to this site yet -- but

it's devoted to fluoride toxicity. There is a page devoted to the

symptoms of too much fluoride and hypothyroidism -- appear to be one

and the same -- interesting. I drank fluoridated water for much of my

childhood. And still use fluoridated toothpaste.

http://www.bruha.com/pfpc/index.html

However, this site seems to doubt that tamarind really de-toxes

fluoride as tamarind itself is a rick source of fluoride.

http://www.bruha.com/pfpc/html/tamarind.html

The site seems to have a lot of good references for iodine and fluoride.

Namaste, Liz

On Apr 10, 2006, at 8:49 AM, snooz451 wrote:

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> iodized salt; don't eat seafood) & at the same time having regular &

> extensive fluoride exposure due to periodontal procedures. During

> some of this time I worked adjacent to an office that did 6 fluoride

> prophys per hour; there may have been some airbone fluoride as well.

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> I now have Hashi's thyroiditis, another AI disease & fibromyalgia.

> About 8 mos. ago I realized that the severe musculoskeletal pain I was

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Thanks, Liz. This certainly adds another piece to the tamarind discussion. I've added it to the links. Zoe

Tamarind - Bruha "Tamarind is known to have high levels of fluoride and it is as of yet bewildering how it can be beneficial. Tamarind pulp has shown to contain 3.8 ppm fluoride. It is therefore likely that the increased fluoride in urine shown in the studies below is partly due to the high fluoride concentration in Tamarind itself. " http://www.bruha.com/pfpc/html/tamarind.html

However, this site seems to doubt that tamarind really de-toxes fluoride as tamarind itself is a rick source of fluoride.http://www.bruha.com/pfpc/html/tamarind.html