Re: iodine+armour+cortef, was Re: good iodine link

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Hi ,

>What I've learned about Cortef or Isocort is that the goal is to>"recreate" the natural cortisol curve of a healthy individual, with>highest cortisol in the AM and decreasing from there.

Based on the links you kindly provided and your advice (and Gracia's), I changed my dosing to 3 times a day, 5mg a.m., 5mg. around noon and 2 1/2mg. around 5 or 6 p.m.--for now. Does this make sense to you? By charting, I am noticing slight but definite improvements in pulse, pressure and temps. I also notice that I am better later in the day--say, after 4 p.m. Is that typical?

Thank you for your help,

Dahlia

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no I take 25mg Iodoral 2X a day.

gracia

>From: "Gracia" <circe@...>> I love licorice and eat it whenever. I take cortef 5mg 4X a day. Now >on Iodoral I find that I can space cortef a bit more and take last dose >around 10-11pm.Hi Gracia,

I am trying the Cortef spaced out through the day and am noting a definite, though gradual, rise in temps, blood pressure and pulse. Thank you. Just curious: do you take Iodoral once a day?

Dahlia

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>From: g siddiqui <taqwa65@...>

>I went on physiological dosing 5mg 4times a day. Thus began 20 lbs of

>weight gain, even though I stopped months ago. Does this mean I didn't

>need it?

Hard to say. First, it's known that 's Disease causes weight loss.

So, it's likely that if one has 's Disease, when they go on HC,

they'll gain weight, because it was the disease that caused the problems.

If you stopped months ago, it shouldn't be affecting you currently. After

all the big fear of low doses (but not high doses) seems to be the doctors

worry about suppressing adrenal function, and it not being able to start

again.

With some conditions, you gain weight because you're getting better.

Skipper

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> My old endo told me that I didn't want to go on HC because I'd gain

> weight.

>

> Not the case with physiological dosing, but really, when you're

> bedridden, who the h@ll cares?

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I don't think this dosing will be a recipe for success. Better to take 5mg 4X a day.

Gracia

Hi ,

>What I've learned about Cortef or Isocort is that the goal is to>"recreate" the natural cortisol curve of a healthy individual, with>highest cortisol in the AM and decreasing from there.

Based on the links you kindly provided and your advice (and Gracia's), I changed my dosing to 3 times a day, 5mg a.m., 5mg. around noon and 2 1/2mg. around 5 or 6 p.m.--for now. Does this make sense to you? By charting, I am noticing slight but definite improvements in pulse, pressure and temps. I also notice that I am better later in the day--say, after 4 p.m. Is that typical?

Thank you for your help,

Dahlia

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I gained most of my weight on cytomel by itself. I thought t3 had a reputation

for helping people to lose weight... not gain. But I've heard from others

who experienced weight gain too from t3 alone.

I'm doing better on Armour. Armour provides a broader spectrum of hormones

(1,2,3,4, & calcitonin). You can always post a message to the STTM board

for an experienced opinion about your free t values, etc.

g siddiqui wrote:

I've been on 60mcg of T3 twice a day for 10 years. Considering most

people need a few grains of armour this is an enormous amount. It does make

me wonder if I need more though!

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Perhaps the HC "uncovered" latent hypothyroidism

(over-stressed a barely adequate thyroid function)

-- and that is now causing the weight gain ?

Perhaps you needed both HC and thyroid replacement ?

At 07:54 PM 10/25/2006, g siddiqui wrote:

>

>I went on physiological dosing 5mg 4times a day.

>Thus began 20 lbs of weight gain, even though I stopped

>months ago. Does this mean I didn't need it

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>From: " cindi22595 " <cindi22595@...>

>wow..6 years on HC and now you're off. that's pretty good imo.

>Anything else besides HC (other than the iodine you're taking)that

>you think helped strengthen you adrenals?

No. I'm not saying I'm off for good, but maybe I am. In the doses

Jeffries suggested, it's not the evil that most doctors think it is.

>are you going to recheck that AM cortisol to see if its looking good

>now too? that would be an interesting comparison.

Not really interested. I suspect I'll know if I need Cortef again. After

all, specfic symptoms went away and never returned while I was on it.

If they start to come back, I'll know why.

>

>I did recheck the HPA axis suppression and nighttime doses...and the

>literature does indicate that nighttime doses suppress the morning

>secretion of cortisol...however in general i would say they were

>referring to far larger doses than 5 mg...more pharmalogic doses.

>cindi

Yes, and the larger dose you take, the more likely it is to suppress the HPA

axis for that period of time, which I suspect is good reason to not exceed

5 mg at any one time during the day.

I understand there is a rhythm to cortisol production, but if your adrenals

aren't dead, why not let them go through it like they are supposed to?

Skipper

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Ok thanks Dianne, will read the link.

--- dwarrickh <dwarrickh@...> wrote:

> Here's a link about the conversion that I ran

> across:

>

> http://www.armourthyroid.com/faq.html

>

> The basic " rule of thumb " in converting thyroid

> doses is that 100 mcg

> of T4 is roughly equivalent to 25 mcg of T3, or 1

> grain (60 mg) of

> desiccated thyroid (Armour® Thyroid), or liotrix-1

> (Thyrolar™ – 1)a.

>

>

> Dianne

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Dianne,

> >

> > I'm confused about how 25 mcg of T3 alone is equal

> to

> > 1 grain of Armour, because Armour has T4, T2, T3,

> etc.

> > in it too.

> >

> > Did you mean that 25 mcg of T3 is equal to the

> same

> > amount of T3 found in 1 grain of Armour?

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> >

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> > > In the Cytomel (T3) drug facts I read that 25

> mcg

> > > was equal to

> > > approximately 1 grain of Armour so that 60

> would

> > > just be 2 1/3 grains

> > > of Armour which is not considered a high dose

> at

> > > all.

> > >

> > > Dianne

> >

> >

> >

> >

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