Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 --- <kennio@...> wrote: > Flechas told me I was barking up the wrong tree > trying to reverse Hashi's with iodine. That's > when he suggested the Betaine and > phosphaditylcholine to lower the antibodies. Mine > dropped from > 96 to 42 and hopefully further next test. > , I do not have any science or studies for you to read about this. I too have the Hashimoto's diagnosis and when I first read about attempts to lower the antibodies I had a strong sense that 'I' should not fool around with that unless and until I understood the possible outcomes. My reasoning is there is some reason why I have them and have not read anything that convinces me anyone really knows completely what it is all about. Suppose those antibodies are preventing something serious from developing, for example. I am not trying to convince you of anything. Just sharing this with you. You have been so kind in offering so much of your experience on the list. Best wishes, Abbe __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 I guess I could believe that if I believed my granny, my mom, and aunts and uncles and cousins all had tired and confused immune systems as the origin of their Hashi's. cindi > > >From: Abbe <abbe_online@...> > > > >> > Never heard anyone express that as a possibility. One time, I read on the > Mayo Clinic website that Hashimoto's and other autoimmune diseases were > simply caused by a tired and confused immune system. That made sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 still, if you have 6 children all raised the same...and 5 of them get Hashi's...did the one just get enough iodine and the others didn't? or did the one just not inherit the genes that predispose to thyroid disease? not saying i have the answer...just saying my observation is that genetics play a major role in thyroid disease...or at least they do in my family...and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with whether they had enough iodine or not...whether they have mercury amalgrams or not, etc. in fact, the observation is that childbirth (hormonal change) or major stress played a factor in the onset in all the cases in my family. cindi > > >From: " cindi22595 " <cindi22595@...> > > >I guess I could believe that if I believed my granny, my mom, and aunts > >and uncles and cousins all had tired and confused immune systems as the > >origin of their Hashi's. > >cindi > > That generally implies there's an underlying condition that's causing the > tired and confused immune system. Such as lack of iodine, overload of > toxins, hypothyroidism, hypoadrenaia, etc. Doesn't mean their immune system > just gets sleepy one day, in a vaccuum. > > Skipper > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from > Microsoft Office Live > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 well i just realized my cousin's was triggered by the other end of the spectrum...menopause. more iodine needs then too? no...i wasn't assuming they had the same diet. with six children...there was some differences because of time span...and some were raised in the country on a farm...and some later in town...and things would have changed a bit diet wise. what I probably assumed was the known genetics of thyroid disease being a major factor in my family...and it probably being impossible for any of us to have escaped getting hashi's no matter what the outside trigger...as " autoimmine " implies genetic plus trigger. cindi > > >From: " cindi22595 " <cindi22595@...> > in fact, the observation is that childbirth > >(hormonal change) or major stress played a factor in the onset in > >all the cases in my family. > >cindi > > What happens then? > > You need more iodine during pregnancy, lactation. Low iodine put a strain > there? > > Low adrenals is one of the potential causes I mentioned, stress burnout > would imply that. > > You're presuming all your family had same diet. My children don't eat the > same things. One was especially fond of cereal, which I think was part of > his majory thyroid problem, as it tends to be high in fluoride. > > Another went hypo when he had braces and was rinsing daily with fluoride. I > don't think that's a coincidence. Especially since he's not on Armour any > more, and doesn't seem hypo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 well i just realized my cousin's was triggered by the other end of the spectrum...menopause. more iodine needs then too? no...i wasn't assuming they had the same diet. with six children...there was some differences because of time span...and some were raised in the country on a farm...and some later in town...and things would have changed a bit diet wise. what I probably assumed was the known genetics of thyroid disease being a major factor in my family...and it probably being impossible for any of us to have escaped getting hashi's no matter what the outside trigger...as " autoimmine " implies genetic plus trigger. cindi > > >From: " cindi22595 " <cindi22595@...> > in fact, the observation is that childbirth > >(hormonal change) or major stress played a factor in the onset in > >all the cases in my family. > >cindi > > What happens then? > > You need more iodine during pregnancy, lactation. Low iodine put a strain > there? > > Low adrenals is one of the potential causes I mentioned, stress burnout > would imply that. > > You're presuming all your family had same diet. My children don't eat the > same things. One was especially fond of cereal, which I think was part of > his majory thyroid problem, as it tends to be high in fluoride. > > Another went hypo when he had braces and was rinsing daily with fluoride. I > don't think that's a coincidence. Especially since he's not on Armour any > more, and doesn't seem hypo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 > > This does not mean we will develop Hashimoto's for sure. I believe this gene variation means we > have a stress fracture built-in and when stresses... (emotional, physical, environmental, > nutritional) become too great we crack at that gene. A different body with no defective gene > would not crack there... maybe somewhere else or not at all. > > I need to try to repair that crack... I think it will get worse even with thyroid horomone. Why do you think that it will get worse with thyroid hormone? How do you intend to repair the crack - with iodine? Do you think that it will truly repair it, or merely patch it until the next major stressor? The link provided was WAY over my head - LOL! But I might be able to grasp a layperson's explanation! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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