Re: Pregnenolone or DHEA Was Re: Testosterone ()

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what natural hormone would that be?

Gracia

Hi ,

Have you considered taking natural hormone to allow your body to

produce it's own testosterone?

Orelindel

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> ; thus

> > rendering my boys useless.

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> Well, Kramer

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> There's always boxers

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> Abbe

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I would recommend the 25 page book " Hormone Balance for Men " by Dr. Lee

which you can find at http://www.johnleemd.com/store/more_mens_hormones.html

Personally, I wonder if DHEA is low if supplementing with that would solve

the problem, as it turns into testosterone and estrogen before excretion.

It eleveated my tesosterone level when I took it, and mildly elevated the

estrogen. Supposedly, an herb called MACA will prevent it from turning to

estrogen.

Dr. Lee, mentioned above, doesn't recommend that approach, as he says it's

unknown what oral supplementation of DHEA will do, but 10-15 mg if you are

low is a reasonable approach.

The thing about DHEA is they're simply not real certain about what it does.

Anyway, Dr. Lee does tell what levels you should be shooting for in a saliva

test.

Only a small percentage of doctors understand about bio-identical hormones

for women, and I suspect the replacement for men has gotten even less

attention, so less understanding. A hormone problems usually aren't as

obvious.

Skipper

>From: " Sam " <k9gang@...>

>I would think it's natural testosterone. It's marvelous stuff. I take

>it. I do think it's important to have " all " your hormones balanced.

>The proper balance " for you " should bring everything back into

>working order.

>

>After being ovary-less (and un-supplemented) for years, I began

>natural hormones - progesterone, estradiol, and testosterone (both

>genders have the same hormones, but to varying degrees). The

>difference before and after was/is absolutely amazing. EVERYTHING

>started working again, and I do mean everything. <wink wink, nudge

>nudge>

>

>I would strongly suggest you saliva test your sex hormones and

>supplement as necessary with " natural " hormones. I am very serious.

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It is in the subject line.... Pregnenolone. It is over the counter. Anyone

ever try it?

--- Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

> what natural hormone would that be?

> Gracia

>

> Hi ,

>

> Have you considered taking natural hormone to allow your body to

> produce it's own testosterone?

>

> Orelindel

>

> http://www.nutros.com/nsr-0200z.html

> http://www.healthy.net/scr/Article.asp?Id=1170

>

>

> >

> > ; thus

> > > rendering my boys useless.

> >

> > Well, Kramer

> >

> > There's always boxers

> >

> >

> > Abbe

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

I have tried it. It made me totally crazy. However my doctor said that most

of her patients tolerate it well. It is a precursor to lots of other hormones.

Irene

At 10:12 AM 8/1/2006, you wrote:

>It is in the subject line.... Pregnenolone. It is over the counter. Anyone

>ever try it?

>

>--- Gracia <<mailto:circe%40gwi.net>circe@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > what natural hormone would that be?

> > Gracia

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Have you considered taking natural hormone to allow your body to

> > produce it's own testosterone?

> >

> > Orelindel

> >

> > <http://www.nutros.com/nsr-0200z.html>http://www.nutros.com/nsr-0200z.html

> > http://www.healthy.net/scr/Article.asp?Id=1170

> >

> >

> > >

> > > ; thus

> > > > rendering my boys useless.

> > >

> > > Well, Kramer

> > >

> > > There's always boxers

> > >

> > >

> > > Abbe

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

yes, i felt pretty bad on it.

gracia

It is in the subject line.... Pregnenolone. It is over the counter. Anyone

ever try it?

--- Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

> what natural hormone would that be?

> Gracia

>

> Hi ,

>

> Have you considered taking natural hormone to allow your body to

> produce it's own testosterone?

>

> Orelindel

>

> http://www.nutros.com/nsr-0200z.html

> http://www.healthy.net/scr/Article.asp?Id=1170

>

>

> >

> > ; thus

> > > rendering my boys useless.

> >

> > Well, Kramer

> >

> > There's always boxers

> >

> >

> > Abbe

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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>From: <kennio@...>

>It is in the subject line.... Pregnenolone. It is over the counter.

>Anyone ever try it?

My cholesterol is low, and it's one of those hormones made from cholesterol

so I've tried it. Didn't seem to have any effect.

On the hormone pathway, it's made from cholesterol then it turns into

progesterone then goes all the way down the line to create cortisol,DHEA,

testosterone, and estrogen.

Ray Peat talked about it a little which you could find with a google search.

He recommended taking it only once a week I think. He claims that taking

pregnenolone this way actually helps it step up production on its own.

Allegedly it can lower cortisol levels a bit.

Skipper

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>From: " sharflin " <sharflin@...>

>I've used it about 6 months and didn't notice it did anything, good

>or bad. My doctor had me take Laboratory brand because it

>supposedly does not convert to testosterone. I think it may be true

>because I did try another brand and immediately developed acne,

>which I believe is a sign of excess testosterone. So if you try it

>avoid Laboratory brand, for anyone wanting more testosterone!

>Sharon

You're talking about DHEA as opposed to pregnenolone, is that correct?

7-Keto DHEA does not turn into testosterone.

Pregnenolone is the first steroid hormone, and it turns into all the other

steroid hormones, depending on what the body decides to do.

Skipper

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I love 7-keto 50mg and I love testosterone. 20mg

gracia

I've used it about 6 months and didn't notice it did anything, good

or bad. My doctor had me take Laboratory brand because it

supposedly does not convert to testosterone. I think it may be true

because I did try another brand and immediately developed acne,

which I believe is a sign of excess testosterone. So if you try it

avoid Laboratory brand, for anyone wanting more testosterone!

Sharon

>

> It is in the subject line.... Pregnenolone. It is over the

counter. Anyone ever try it?

>

> --- Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > what natural hormone would that be?

> > Gracia

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Have you considered taking natural hormone to allow your body

to

> > produce it's own testosterone?

> >

> > Orelindel

> >

> > http://www.nutros.com/nsr-0200z.html

> > http://www.healthy.net/scr/Article.asp?Id=1170

> >

> >

> > >

> > > ; thus

> > > > rendering my boys useless.

> > >

> > > Well, Kramer

> > >

> > > There's always boxers

> > >

> > >

> > > Abbe

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

>From: " Gracia " <circe@...>

> I love 7-keto 50mg and I love testosterone. 20mg

> gracia

Why do you take 7-keto, if you don't care if the DHEA turns into

testosterone? Isn't that the whole purpose of 7-keto?

What does the DHEA do for you, if it doesn't turn into testosterone? From

its pathway, its main purpose appears to be to turn into testosterone /

estrogen.

Skipper

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>From: " sharflin " <sharflin@...>

>No Skipper, I'm talking about pregnenolone. I understand what you

>are saying and I don't know any details about why this particular

>brand, according to my doctor, is not supposed to turn into

>testosterone. I never asked and it is not intuitively obvious to me.

>But my personal experience suggested there might actually be

>something to the claim.

>Sharon

It's purpose is to turn into the other steroid hormones. So, it doesn't

make sense to me, especially since the advertisements for

pregnenolone don't mention that. Maybe your doctor is correct, but I don't

know what he's basing that on. I do know I've tried pregnenolone and it

doesn't seem to help. (I'm going to have to check and see if it's .)

It is possible some brands are just ineffective.

Skipper

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Weight lifting causes women to increase their natural

testosterone, and it works rather quickly. Has tons of

other great side-effects too, like helping you

build strong bones (even in old ladies). The effect

is even greater if you have never lifted weights: you will

see a huge improvement very quickly. It helps with

all the inflammatory diseases too: your joints start feeling

better. Ok, you might have sore muscles for a day ...

weight training only takes like 15 minutes every other day too.

http://www.newstarget.com/010528.html

http://www.trulyhuge.com/weighttrainingandtestosterone.htm

-- Heidi

> Have you considered taking natural hormone to allow your body to

> produce it's own testosterone?

>

> Orelindel

>

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my BB doc recommended 7-keto. I had been taking regular DHEA but I like

7-keto much better, it feels stronger. It must be useful in it's own right b/c

I don't feel too good without it. I seem to need adrenal/sex/thyroid hormones.

I think the iodine is having an effect on these hormones too. My voice is

changing from hypovoice to something husky and I can sing again.

When I did the 24 hr urine test from AAL, every sex and adrenal hormone was

low, even though I was taking some of them.

Gracia

>From: " Gracia " <circe@...>

> I love 7-keto 50mg and I love testosterone. 20mg

> gracia

Why do you take 7-keto, if you don't care if the DHEA turns into

testosterone? Isn't that the whole purpose of 7-keto?

What does the DHEA do for you, if it doesn't turn into testosterone? From

its pathway, its main purpose appears to be to turn into testosterone /

estrogen.

Skipper

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>From: " Gracia " <circe@...>

> my BB doc recommended 7-keto. I had been taking regular DHEA but I like

>7-keto much better, it feels stronger. It must be useful in it's own

>right b/c I don't feel too good without it. I seem to need

>adrenal/sex/thyroid hormones. I think the iodine is having an effect on

>these hormones too. My voice is changing from hypovoice to something

>husky and I can sing again.

The " husky " voice isn't from too much testosterone is it?

I learned something about tonsils. There the reason some of us have soft

voices. Not a good idea to have a child's tonsils removed unless you want

their voice to be much louder.

Skipper

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don't know, but something just recently changed with my voice. I can sing

again , not that I am a great singer. I have always had a sexy voice

(never realized how to use it though).

I don't feel good on less testosterone.

Of course I have had my tonsils removed at age 18 in a midieval procedure

where I held the bowl for the blood. Most docs I have encountered must have

gotten their degrees from Crackerjax boxes.

gracia

>From: " Gracia " <circe@...>

> my BB doc recommended 7-keto. I had been taking regular DHEA but I like

>7-keto much better, it feels stronger. It must be useful in it's own

>right b/c I don't feel too good without it. I seem to need

>adrenal/sex/thyroid hormones. I think the iodine is having an effect on

>these hormones too. My voice is changing from hypovoice to something

>husky and I can sing again.

The " husky " voice isn't from too much testosterone is it?

I learned something about tonsils. There the reason some of us have soft

voices. Not a good idea to have a child's tonsils removed unless you want

their voice to be much louder.

Skipper

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