Re: Skipper Hashi's and Iodine

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>CORTISOL (RANGE 5-25) 9.77Some doctors will treat an AM cortisol if it is under 12. Was that taken by 8AM as it is supposed to be. Allegedly they have a sliding scale based on time of day, but I've not seen it. The highest reading of the day should be at about 8AM, and 9.77 is on the low side

Skipper this was taken at around 9 am. It was supposed to be an 8 am draw but we went to the hopital for the draw( my mistake) and they made us wait forever.

If she has Adrenal Issues they are going to be addressed at our next appt on Monday as she took the ASI test. But the results we sent to her Dr's office. I will not know them until Monday.

I just want to note that all of these lab values were taken before treatment before she was put on Armour. She has been on Armour since August 4th. And started out at 1/4 gr. She is at a half now, a morning dose, and is going to get another 1/4 gr increase on Tuesday the day after her Dr. appt. I just need him to fill out the necessary paper work so she can take a dose during school.

Low thyroid in children is known to cause decrease in appetite as well as slowed rate of growth. Particularly telling is a child who goes from tall to average or average to short. (for example, goes from the 90th percentile of height to the 70th.)My son wouldn't eat and stopped growing when his TSH was 2.2. When he got thyroid treatment, he started eating and shot up in height.My daughter has always been big. Always off the charts for her weight and in the 90th percentile for her height. it was the obeseity and inablity to loose weight that made her pedi from birth finally check her TSH. That Pedi is no longer treating her. We see a Hollistic MD DO Pedi now. And he is great so far. The Monday visit will be the second visit with him. And since he put her on Armour along with taking the iodine and other supplements She actually seems to be loosing her "pot belly" which she has always had.

Are they taken together? Iron, magnesium, zinc and similar minerals interfere with absorption of thyroid hormone, so they should be spaced a long way apart.

She takes her Armour Bucally. and always about an hour or so before she eats and takes her supplements or an hour or so after. She doesnt take any Iron or Calcium supplements in the the morning. She takes those at night. Again, she has only been on the Armour fo a month. We are going slowly incase the ASI test states that she need adrenal support. Hopefully she doesnt

When my son started Armour, within a short time he was on 3 grains. He was 10 when he started, but based on the TSH and other numbers, it's likely she needs more than she's getting.

yes we will up her dose after the Monday appt. The Dr originally told me to up every 2 weeks. But there was the ? Of her Adrenals needing support. So we are going way slow for now. : )

I don't know it's supposed to be suppressed in Hashi's. But, suppressing the TSH will prevent goiter, and it's easy to prevent than to deal with afterward. See, most goiters are caused because the thyroid can't keep up with the demands of TSH, and so the cells swell and multiply. This process also makes it a lot more likely to get thyroid cancer.

If she is hypothyroid because she is low in iodine, then she'll make adequate thyroid hormone and the TSH will go down and stop overstimulating the thyroid.

Hm..I heard that you should take a supressive dose of thyroid meds if you have hashis. That way your thyroid isnt stimulated to produce its own hormone, thus the antibodies dont attack it. That what I got from what I read anyway, Am I wrong and confused about the whole TSH and antibody thing. If your TSH is surpressed then does your own thyroid still make hormones? And Iodine, if you are defiecent would taking it stimulate your thyroid to make its own hormone? I am lost here..

If thyroid antibodies are not going down with treatment, I suspect you haven't found the right course of treatment. Many thyroid docs only know one.

Her Anibodies have not been tested since being on Armour. They will be retested this monday. And I wll not be giving her her Armour that Morning.

Most are not enlightened about iodine, and will tell you to stop immediately, or you'll kill her.Fortunately, there are some good doctors that come up with good ideas like iodine treatment. But, they're not accepted by everyone.Her Dr was the one who sugested Lugol's. Lol, Last night I put 2 drops in everyones milk in my house. Lol..No one even knew the diff.

I am getting very creative. : )

Thanks for all your insight Skipper have a great day.

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------ s_Mom callmeshell.blogspot.com Re:Linn and Sharon Hashi's and Iodine>From: "" <sabrinajellybean@...>>ACTH, SENSITIVE (RANGE 6-46) 23>>CORTISOL (RANGE 5-25) 9.77Some doctors will treat an AM cortisol if it is under 12. Was that taken by 8AM as it is supposed to be. Allegedly they have a sliding scale based on time of day, but I've not seen it. The highest reading of the day should be at about 8AM, and 9.77 is on the low side.In some cases, cortisol will go up as thyroid treatment becomes adequate.>>T3, FREE (RANGE 2.3-4.2) 4>>T4, FREE (RANGE 0.59-1.17) 0.94>>TSH (RANGE 0.34-4.82) 15.1Median TSH in large studies of patients without thyroid problems is consistently 1.5. At 15, I was practically in a coma.Low thyroid in children is known to cause decrease in appetite as well as slowed rate of growth. Particularly telling is a child who goes from tall to average or average to short. (for example, goes from the 90th percentile of height to the 70th.)My son wouldn't eat and stopped growing when his TSH was 2.2. When he got thyroid treatment, he started eating and shot up in height.That TSH level is likely still in the dangerous range.Some people say that if cortisol is not adequate, then the T3 may not be able to get in the cells, and will show up high on the labs.Also, hypos generally have a lower blood volume, so the hormones in their blood will not be as high as they appear.>IRON 39 (Range 35-150)>>IRON Binding 413 (Range 250-450)>>% IRON BOUND 9 (Range 10-50)Iron levels were taken, but one shouldn't take iron unless they are anemic. Which means looking at hemoglobin and hemocrit. Also, ferritin should be taken as that's a better indicator than the iron tests here.Actually, the doctor ran more complete tests than many.Skipper__________________________________________________________Call friends with PC-to-PC calling -- FREE http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us & source=wlmailtagline

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>I just want to note that all of these lab values were taken before

>treatment before she was put on Armour. She has been on Armour since August

>4th. And started out at 1/4 gr. She is at a half now, a morning dose, and

>is going to get another 1/4 gr increase on Tuesday the day after her Dr.

>appt. I just need him to fill out the necessary paper work so she can take

>a dose during school.

Most people don't get a benefit from splitting the dose. Sure, a few do,

but I wouldn't split the dose unless there was a good reason.

I'm also not sure I would want school personnel dispensing my child's

medication.

>Hm..I heard that you should take a supressive dose of thyroid meds if you

>have hashis. That way your thyroid isnt stimulated to produce its own

>hormone, thus the antibodies dont attack it. That what I got from what I

>read anyway, Am I wrong and confused about the whole TSH and antibody

>thing. If your TSH is surpressed then does your own thyroid still make

>hormones? And Iodine, if you are defiecent would taking it stimulate your

>thyroid to make its own hormone? I am lost here..

My understanding is that the antibodies are against the thyroid itself, and

not the thyroid hormone. I've never heard of the TSH being suppressed to

stop the antibody attack. I'm not sure it does. Suppressing the TSH, will

keep a goiter from forming, a shrink a goiter that has, sometihing common in

Hashi's, but that's a different issue.

I know sometimes the antibodies go down when the thyroid is treated. I've

never heard it happens for the reason you're giving. (Doesn't mean it's not

true, but I don't think it is.)

Antibodies sometimes go down when the adrenals are treated.

There are adrenal antibodies too, more common in people with Hashi's and

doctors rarely test for them.

>Her Dr was the one who sugested Lugol's. Lol, Last night I put 2 drops in

>everyones milk in my house. Lol..No one even knew the diff.

Yes. I usually put some drops in the milk every time I open it.

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Most people don't get a benefit from splitting the dose. Sure, a few do, but I wouldn't split the dose unless there was a good reason.

But if the t3 peaks after 2 hours shouldnt another dose be taken say 4-6 hours after the first?

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Re: Skipper Hashi's and Iodine

>From: "" <sabrinajellybeanhotmail>>I just want to note that all of these lab values were taken before >treatment before she was put on Armour. She has been on Armour since August >4th. And started out at 1/4 gr. She is at a half now, a morning dose, and >is going to get another 1/4 gr increase on Tuesday the day after her Dr. >appt. I just need him to fill out the necessary paper work so she can take >a dose during school.Most people don't get a benefit from splitting the dose. Sure, a few do, but I wouldn't split the dose unless there was a good reason.I'm also not sure I would want school personnel dispensing my child's medication.>Hm..I heard that you should take a supressive dose of thyroid meds if you >have hashis. That way your thyroid isnt stimulated to produce its own >hormone, thus the antibodies dont attack it. That what I got from what I >read anyway, Am I wrong and confused about the whole TSH and antibody >thing. If your TSH is surpressed then does your own thyroid still make >hormones? And Iodine, if you are defiecent would taking it stimulate your >thyroid to make its own hormone? I am lost here..My understanding is that the antibodies are against the thyroid itself, and not the thyroid hormone. I've never heard of the TSH being suppressed to stop the antibody attack. I'm not sure it does. Suppressing the TSH, will keep a goiter from forming, a shrink a goiter that has, sometihing common in Hashi's, but that's a different issue.I know sometimes the antibodies go down when the thyroid is treated. I've never heard it happens for the reason you're giving. (Doesn't mean it's not true, but I don't think it is.)Antibodies sometimes go down when the adrenals are treated.There are adrenal antibodies too, more common in people with Hashi's and doctors rarely test for them.>Her Dr was the one who sugested Lugol's. Lol, Last night I put 2 drops in >everyones milk in my house. Lol..No one even knew the diff.Yes. I usually put some drops in the milk every time I open it.Skipper__________________________________________________________Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather & FORM=WLMTAG

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I don't feel well on split dose.

gracia

Most people don't get a benefit from splitting the dose. Sure, a few do, but I wouldn't split the dose unless there was a good reason.

But if the t3 peaks after 2 hours shouldnt another dose be taken say 4-6 hours after the first?

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>From: " " <sabrinajellybean@...>

>Most people don't get a benefit from splitting the dose. Sure, a few do,

>but I wouldn't split the dose unless there was a good reason.

>

>But if the t3 peaks after 2 hours shouldnt another dose be taken say 4-6

>hours after the first?

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I don't think it's necessary for most people.

Isn't the half life of T3 about 10 hours?

Anyways, you're also getting T4 in the armour, and it's converting to T3 as

necessary, unless there's a conversion problem.

Some adults find it better to split the dose. Many don't. Why split if if

you don't have too? I've not noticed any benefit from doing so.

At school, how do they give the medication? Do they hand the bottle to your

child, and then she gets the pill out? Is it under lock and key? Does the

school nurse simply hand the pill to the child? Did she wash her hands?

Does she have chemicals or germs on her hands? Is she using latex gloves?

If so, I hope child doesn't have a latex (or ragweed cross) allergy. Do you

have to sign a waiver saying the school isn't liable?

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Ok I understand now..I don't know a whole lot about Armour and I thank you for letting me know this. So I could up my daughters dose and give it all to her in the morning. Hmm... And you know the Dr never told me I had to slit doses. I read it some where..So I just assumed that is how it was done.

I was lead to believe that taking it all at once was nit a good choice.

As far as the school administering her medication, you are right on all of what you said. I am so new to this. I have 2 other daughters but they are 15 and 17 and I never had to deal with anything like this. Thank-you for making me think.

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Re: Skipper Hashi's and Iodine

>From: "" <sabrinajellybeanhotmail>>Most people don't get a benefit from splitting the dose. Sure, a few do,>but I wouldn't split the dose unless there was a good reason.>>But if the t3 peaks after 2 hours shouldnt another dose be taken say 4-6 >hours after the first?>------I don't think it's necessary for most people.Isn't the half life of T3 about 10 hours?Anyways, you're also getting T4 in the armour, and it's converting to T3 as necessary, unless there's a conversion problem.Some adults find it better to split the dose. Many don't. Why split if if you don't have too? I've not noticed any benefit from doing so.At school, how do they give the medication? Do they hand the bottle to your child, and then she gets the pill out? Is it under lock and key? Does the school nurse simply hand the pill to the child? Did she wash her hands? Does she have chemicals or germs on her hands? Is she using latex gloves? If so, I hope child doesn't have a latex (or ragweed cross) allergy. Do you have to sign a waiver saying the school isn't liable?Skipper__________________________________________________________Got something to buy, sell or swap? Try Windows Live Expo ttp://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com/

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>From: " " <sabrinajellybean@...>

>I was lead to believe that taking it all at once was nit a good choice.

Splitting the dose is a good choice for some. I mean, there are usually

reasons they decide it's better for them. Some notice their energy dropping

in the afternoon. I've wondered if that's due to poor dietary timing

sapping the energy or the natural circadian rhythm, and their tyring to

change that.

Others mention feeling a little hyper if they take it all at once.

So, unless there's specific reason like that, I don't really see the point.

>

>As far as the school administering her medication, you are right on all of

>what you said. I am so new to this. I have 2 other daughters but they are

>15 and 17 and I never had to deal with anything like this. Thank-you for

>making me think.

I don't know their procedures. I would just find out the answers to those

questions before I would do it.

Ever think they have those long drug lines for Ritalin in an effort to make

mind altering drugs seem acceptable to the kids?

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I have to pipe in here. I'm fairly new to the group and have been hiding back and reading posts for a few weeks. I would have to respectively disagree with Skipper, I think most people benefit from splitting the dose of Armour. This is not as important if you are on $ynthroid, but the T3 has a shortly life and thus, the divided dose helps. I do it in 2 doses and others do even more, including an PM dose, which I dont do. I take a dose at 7am, and another at 2pm. SAMMIE <sabrinajellybean@...> wrote: Most people don't get a benefit from splitting the dose. Sure, a few do, but I wouldn't split the dose unless there was a good reason. But if the t3 peaks after 2 hours shouldnt another dose be taken say 4-6 hours after the first? ------ s_Mom callmeshell.blogspot.com Re: Skipper Hashi's and Iodine >From: "" <sabrinajellybeanhotmail>>I just want to note that all of these lab values were taken before >treatment before she was put on Armour. She has been on Armour since August >4th. And started out at 1/4 gr. She is at a half now, a morning dose, and >is going to get another 1/4 gr increase on Tuesday the day after her Dr. >appt. I just need him to fill out the necessary paper work so she can take >a dose during school.Most people don't get a benefit from splitting the dose. Sure, a few do, but I wouldn't split the dose unless there was a good reason.I'm also not sure I would want school personnel dispensing my child's

medication.>Hm..I heard that you should take a supressive dose of thyroid meds if you >have hashis. That way your thyroid isnt stimulated to produce its own >hormone, thus the antibodies dont attack it. That what I got from what I >read anyway, Am I wrong and confused about the whole TSH and antibody >thing. If your TSH is surpressed then does your own thyroid still make >hormones? And Iodine, if you are defiecent would taking it stimulate your >thyroid to make its own hormone? I am lost here..My understanding is that the antibodies are against the thyroid itself, and not the thyroid hormone. I've never heard of the TSH being suppressed to stop the antibody attack. I'm not sure it does. Suppressing the TSH, will keep a goiter from forming, a shrink a goiter that has, sometihing common in Hashi's, but that's a different issue.I know sometimes the antibodies go down when the thyroid is

treated. I've never heard it happens for the reason you're giving. (Doesn't mean it's not true, but I don't think it is.)Antibodies sometimes go down when the adrenals are treated.There are adrenal antibodies too, more common in people with Hashi's and doctors rarely test for them.>Her Dr was the one who sugested Lugol's. Lol, Last night I put 2 drops in >everyones milk in my house. Lol..No one even knew the diff.Yes. I usually put some drops in the milk every time I open it.Skipper__________________________________________________________Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather & FORM=WLMTAG

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I guess it's all about choice. But the thing is I have to make that choice for my daughter.. So far her am dosing is great. but if I add more to that am dose I have to be careful I guess. I have talked to her about feeling hyper and she knows to come to me or the school nurse if she has any of those funny not right feelings. Giving her armour in the am alone would certainly make things simpler.

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Re: Skipper Hashi's and Iodine

>From: "" <sabrinajellybeanhotmail>>I just want to note that all of these lab values were taken before >treatment before she was put on Armour. She has been on Armour since August >4th. And started out at 1/4 gr. She is at a half now, a morning dose, and >is going to get another 1/4 gr increase on Tuesday the day after her Dr. >appt. I just need him to fill out the necessary paper work so she can take >a dose during school.Most people don't get a benefit from splitting the dose. Sure, a few do, but I wouldn't split the dose unless there was a good reason.I'm also not sure I would want school personnel dispensing my child's medication.>Hm..I heard that you should take a supressive dose of thyroid meds if you >have hashis. That way your thyroid isnt stimulated to produce its own >hormone, thus the antibodies dont attack it. That what I got from what I >read anyway, Am I wrong and confused about the whole TSH and antibody >thing. If your TSH is surpressed then does your own thyroid still make >hormones? And Iodine, if you are defiecent would taking it stimulate your >thyroid to make its own hormone? I am lost here..My understanding is that the antibodies are against the thyroid itself, and not the thyroid hormone. I've never heard of the TSH being suppressed to stop the antibody attack. I'm not sure it does. Suppressing the TSH, will keep a goiter from forming, a shrink a goiter that has, sometihing common in Hashi's, but that's a different issue.I know sometimes the antibodies go down when the thyroid is treated. I've never heard it happens for the reason you're giving. (Doesn't mean it's not true, but I don't think it is.)Antibodies sometimes go down when the adrenals are treated.There are adrenal antibodies too, more common in people with Hashi's and doctors rarely test for them.>Her Dr was the one who sugested Lugol's. Lol, Last night I put 2 drops in >everyones milk in my house. Lol..No one even knew the diff.Yes. I usually put some drops in the milk every time I open it.Skipper__________________________________________________________Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather & FORM=WLMTAG

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Splitting the dose would be good if your adrenals were weak. I had to

split my dose and still do.

Sue

>

> Most people don't get a benefit from splitting the dose. Sure, a few

do,

> but I wouldn't split the dose unless there was a good reason.

>

> But if the t3 peaks after 2 hours shouldnt another dose be taken say

4-6 hours after the first?

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>From: " " <sabrinajellybean@...>

>I guess it's all about choice. But the thing is I have to make that choice

>for my daughter.. So far her am dosing is great. but if I add more to that

>am dose I have to be careful I guess. I have talked to her about feeling

>hyper and she knows to come to me or the school nurse if she has any of

>those funny not right feelings. Giving her armour in the am alone would

>certainly make things simpler.

Also, be sure to keep track of the pulse rate. The only real risk from

thyroid medication is from escalated heart rate. If her pulse rate is

normal, probably not much to worry about.

Be aware that increasing thyroid dosage doesn't always escalate pulse rate,

sometimes it lowers that and blood pressure.

MY wife's pulse rate was 100+, then she started on high doses of timed

release T3, and it's now around 70. Yet, even some alternative docs don't

want to treat or increase dosage if the heart rate is above 80. Even as a

teenager in good shape, I had a pulse rate in the 90s. I now believe that

was partly due to low cortisol, as I found out from someone with 's,

that cortisol actually lowers pulse rate (but excessive cortisol will raise

it.)

I keep Inderall on hand, because it the pulse rate does escalate because

someone's stupid and took a double dose, or something, it brings the pulse

rate right down. Sometimes I just can't remember if I took my thyroid meds

or not.

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>I have to pipe in here. I'm fairly new to the group and have been hiding

>back and reading posts for a few weeks. I would have to respectively

>disagree with Skipper, I think most people benefit from splitting the dose

>of Armour. This is not as important if you are on $ynthroid, but the T3

>has a shortly life and thus, the divided dose helps. I do it in 2 doses

>and others do even more, including an PM dose, which I dont do. I take a

>dose at 7am, and another at 2pm.

How do you beneift, you did not say?

Just because people do it, doesn't mean they benefit.

if the half life of T3 is a day, that means the full life is 2 days -

http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic800.htm

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I split the dose because if I take the full doze, I get pretty extreme

adrenal reactions.

My daughter takes her first dose in the am (I think she forgot this mornign,

darnit), and she takes the second dose as soon as she gets off teh school

bus.

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> I don't think it's necessary for most people.

>

>

> At school, how do they give the medication? Do they hand the bottle to

your

> child, and then she gets the pill out? Is it under lock and key? Does

the

> school nurse simply hand the pill to the child? Did she wash her hands?

> Does she have chemicals or germs on her hands? Is she using latex gloves?

> If so, I hope child doesn't have a latex (or ragweed cross) allergy. Do

you

> have to sign a waiver saying the school isn't liable?

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I don't know what the answer is but I have tried Armour all at once,

split doses, with food, without food, bucally and sublingual. For me

I never noticed one iota of a difference no matter how I took it. So I

take it all at once with water in the morning and sometimes I will eat

right away and sometimes I won't eat for another hour. As for

sublingual being better than swallowing- I would have to question that

as well as I believe the pill has to be formulated to take

sublingually.

jingles

>

> How do you beneift, you did not say?

>

> Just because people do it, doesn't mean they benefit.

>

> if the half life of T3 is a day, that means the full life is 2 days -

>

> http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic800.htm

> " the half-life of T3 is only 1 day "

>

> Skipper

>

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Pulse rate can be paradoxical with thyroid.

Sometimes low thyroid can have high pulse, I suspect it's due

to the body trying desperately to get oxygen to the tissues in

the face of sluggish metabolism, so heart pumps faster.

Also various infections that can be present when thyroid is

low, therefore immunity is low.

Need context and more info to assess high pulse, it's cause, and

what to do or not do.

Carol

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My understanding is the same as Skipper's, that the antibodies are attacking the thyroid itself and will continue to attack it until it is no longer able to function, the same way that Type 1 diabetes develops, the pancreas is attacked and finally is no longer able to function.  My daughter's doc says that they used to treat Hashi's patients before their thyroids were totally kaput (about 20 years ago) but the standard protocol now is to wait until the thyroid has basically stopped functioning.  Treating the patient before the thyroid has been destroyed has success in keeping the thyroid from being destroyed and keeps the patient feeling better, at least that's my personal perspective.  Basically they don't know what causes the antibodies.  The most reasonable theory I've read yet is the connection with Celiac.  Toxemia causing the body to attack itself, it can relate to a whole host of illnesses.I'm leaning toward trying to cease my daughter's immune system from attacking her thyroid or anything else in her body.  I always worried that something worse might pop up, how do I know that whatever is causing her body to attack itself will not continue on to other parts of her body.I spoke at length yesterday to the distributor of Mountain Valley Spring Water that Dr. Lanphier had recommended on the altmed group.  She was a wealth of info on chemicals in the water and environment.  She gives a monthly 4 hour seminar that I plan on attending.  I think there is a link to my children's illnesses and  all the chemical exposure that we have been exposed to for the last couple of generations.  I think we will continue to see this more and more in succeeding generations.  I've been exposed to a ton of info in the past year but there is much more to learn and many more steps to take in protecting my kids.  It is inconceivable that mainstream medicine cares nothing but to treat these symptoms.  LinnOn Sep 14, 2006, at 9:45 AM, Skipper Beers wrote:>From: "" <sabrinajellybeanhotmail>>I just want to note that all of these lab values were taken before >treatment before she was put on Armour. She has been on Armour since August >4th. And started out at 1/4 gr. She is at a half now, a morning dose, and >is going to get another 1/4 gr increase on Tuesday the day after her Dr. >appt. I just need him to fill out the necessary paper work so she can take >a dose during school.. 

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>I don't know what the answer is but I have tried Armour all at once,

>split doses, with food, without food, bucally and sublingual. For me

>I never noticed one iota of a difference no matter how I took it. So I

>take it all at once with water in the morning and sometimes I will eat

>right away and sometimes I won't eat for another hour. As for

>sublingual being better than swallowing- I would have to question that

>as well as I believe the pill has to be formulated to take

>sublingually.

>

Same with me, I can't tell much difference in the manner I take it.

Since it's not formulated for sublingual use, it may be those people simply

give it the effect of being dissolved before it goes down the digestive

trac. Whether or not it's more than that, I don't know. I do take it

sublingually sometimes, and can't tell that's any different either.

...

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>From: " Ives " <mives@...>

>I split the dose because if I take the full doze, I get pretty extreme

>adrenal reactions.

>

>My daughter takes her first dose in the am (I think she forgot this

>mornign,

>darnit), and she takes the second dose as soon as she gets off teh school

>bus.

She forgot? I used to set it out for my honor student daughter. I

eventually found where she hid them. If you don't see them taking the

pills, they may not be.

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She did this with the glandular I got for her, she was stuffing them in the

couch cushions, and taking my Armour instead. That is when I realized she

really needed the Armour, because her attitude improvied 100% (well, ok,

maybe more like 90%, she is still a 9 year old girl) within that week.

She likes the taste of Armour and will take it. She just forgets sometimes.

And heck, she is only 9, so it is up to me to remind her, but between the

two of us, we're lucky we remember to get out of bed in the morning.

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> She forgot? I used to set it out for my honor student daughter. I

> eventually found where she hid them. If you don't see them taking the

> pills, they may not be.

>

[Guest guest]

, How cute! Great how we can sniff out what is good for us,

though as adults my guess is we have to work to remember and honor

that instinct. Thanks for sharing! Sharon

> She did this with the glandular I got for her, she was stuffing

them in the

> couch cushions, and taking my Armour instead. That is when I

realized she

> really needed the Armour, because her attitude improvied 100%

(well, ok,

> maybe more like 90%, she is still a 9 year old girl) within that

week.

>

> She likes the taste of Armour and will take it. She just forgets

sometimes.

> And heck, she is only 9, so it is up to me to remind her, but

between the

> two of us, we're lucky we remember to get out of bed in the

morning.