Re: skin conditions, itchiness, and iodine

[Guest guest]

Very interesting, Alobar. I wonder what would be necessary for the problem to go completely away.

It seems that skin conditions can have really good results from topical applications of iodine.

I assume you are familiar with Sterling's article here:

http://iodine4health.com/body/skin.htm

In the PowerPoint slides from that I just mentioned in another email, he has some powerful pictures of skin conditions.

http://iodine4health.com/overviews/miller.htm

In the reading I've done, my impression is that iodine works rather quickly with quite severe skin conditions, but I think they use high amounts. But you might want to check on that since I was not reading closely for that information. I'm curious why your legs are still having problems. I'm glad, however, that they are no longer having open sores. Maybe iodine works best for the open sores and not so much for itchiness. I'm curious as to what causes itchiness.

Zoe

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From: Alobar My use to Iodine on the skin is probably not for the purposes mostpeople use it for. My left shin has a tendency to get dry andslightly itchy. In the past, the itchiness was a precursor to opensores, which were then very prone to opportunistic infections.From info other lists, it would appear that my body is exudingoxalates thru my skin, and that is the cause of the problem. Eatinga low oxalate diet helps, as does taking lots of Magnesium andCalcium. But the problem has not yet gone away.I have found that if I apply about a tablespoon of Lugol's to my leftshin, one or twice a month, the skin never erupts into open sores.And taking nightly tub soaks on cold water with lots of ice, plusbaking soda and epsom salts keeps down the itchiness.

[Guest guest]

Hi Zoe,

I looked the link for the picturess of skin conditions, but I do not have a program which can read power point files.

Oxalate problems seem to have a genetic tie-in. Autistic people tend to have difficulties in handling any oxalates in the diet. I have never been diagnosed as such, but it appears I might have Asperger's syndrome, or high functioning autism. Most people take in oxalates in foods, then pass them out thru the kidneys. People with oxalate problems tend to hang on to the excess oxalates, which then can cause severe leg cramping, grouchiness, and mood swings.

When I cut back on spinch and other veggies high in oxalates, most of the leg cramping went away. For the past year or so, my body has been dumping the stored oxalate out thru my skin. In summer I get heat rashes and tender pimple looking things which have hard white cores, which eventiually scab over, then shrink down. One big bump (

1.5 inches in diameter and 3/4 inch high) on my forearm scabbed over but did not shrink, so after a both soak, I picked off the scab and put Lugol's on the solid white core. The following day I was ablt to dislodge the white core with no pain and no real force. I applied more Iodine and now it is healing nicely. No big bump on my arm -- just a nice healthy scab, which is not painful when I press on it.

My shin problems are complicated by my diabetes. Poor leg circulation and neuropathy go with diabetes. My shin problems seem to be a mix of diabetic complications and oxalate problems.

Last summer I had leg infections. Half a dozen or so sores over an inch in diameter which would exude lots of pus if I squeezed them. Lower leg was quite swollen. I went to a doc who presecribed an antibiotic. That got rid of the swelling and pus. I disagreed with the doc because he felt the basterial infection was the cause of my leg problems. Now I use St.Jophn's Wort oil on my lower legs for trhe itching, and if they look like they are about to erupt, I use Lugol's. Lugol's works great in short-circuiting impending eruptions.

Hopefully, my body will eventually purge all the oxalates it has been storing in my muscles for my whole life and my skin problems will heal. In the meantime, I am very glad I discovered this list and started using Lugol's.

Alobar

On 9/4/06, Zoe & <ZOEA@...> wrote:

Very interesting, Alobar. I wonder what would be necessary for the problem to go completely away.

It seems that skin conditions can have really good results from topical applications of iodine.

I assume you are familiar with Sterling's article here:

http://iodine4health.com/body/skin.htm

In the PowerPoint slides from that I just mentioned in another email, he has some powerful pictures of skin conditions.

http://iodine4health.com/overviews/miller.htm

In the reading I've done, my impression is that iodine works rather quickly with quite severe skin conditions, but I think they use high amounts. But you might want to check on that since I was not reading closely for that information. I'm curious why your legs are still having problems. I'm glad, however, that they are no longer having open sores. Maybe iodine works best for the open sores and not so much for itchiness. I'm curious as to what causes itchiness.

Zoe

[Guest guest]

Alobar, It seems to me that you may clearly have serious vitamin deficiencies. Very serious. You might consider haveing that checked out, maybe it could help.

Jane

[Guest guest]

With the huge amount of vitamins and minerals I take, I seriously doubt I have vitamin deficiencies. Having it checked out would be expensive. I'd rather spend my money on supplements.

Alobar

On 9/5/06, Jane Rowland <classicalwriter@...> wrote:

Alobar, It seems to me that you may clearly have serious vitamin deficiencies. Very serious. You might consider haveing that checked out, maybe it could help.

Jane

[Guest guest]

Alobar, Supplements in NO way guarantee a correction to deficiencies without proper balancing of many other factors.You could be downing gobs of vitamins and still be deficient.

But I was just saying...

Jane

[Guest guest]

So, exactly why do you feel I am deficient?

Alobar

On 9/5/06, Jane Rowland <classicalwriter@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Alobar, Supplements in NO way guarantee a correction to deficiencies without

proper balancing of many other factors.You could be downing gobs of vitamins and

still be deficient.

>

> But I was just saying...

>

>

> Jane

[Guest guest]

I have itchy skin to but nothing there. I itch terribly at night. I cannot figure out what is causing it. I have no lesions or hives. Nothing just severe itchy.

Any idea

Ellen

Re: skin conditions, itchiness, and iodine

Very interesting, Alobar. I wonder what would be necessary for the problem to go completely away.

It seems that skin conditions can have really good results from topical applications of iodine.

I assume you are familiar with Sterling's article here:

http://iodine4health.com/body/skin.htm

In the PowerPoint slides from that I just mentioned in another email, he has some powerful pictures of skin conditions.

http://iodine4health.com/overviews/miller.htm

In the reading I've done, my impression is that iodine works rather quickly with quite severe skin conditions, but I think they use high amounts. But you might want to check on that since I was not reading closely for that information. I'm curious why your legs are still having problems. I'm glad, however, that they are no longer having open sores. Maybe iodine works best for the open sores and not so much for itchiness. I'm curious as to what causes itchiness.

Zoe

----- Original Message -----

From: Alobar My use to Iodine on the skin is probably not for the purposes mostpeople use it for. My left shin has a tendency to get dry andslightly itchy. In the past, the itchiness was a precursor to opensores, which were then very prone to opportunistic infections.From info other lists, it would appear that my body is exudingoxalates thru my skin, and that is the cause of the problem. Eatinga low oxalate diet helps, as does taking lots of Magnesium andCalcium. But the problem has not yet gone away.I have found that if I apply about a tablespoon of Lugol's to my leftshin, one or twice a month, the skin never erupts into open sores.And taking nightly tub soaks on cold water with lots of ice, plusbaking soda and epsom salts keeps down the itchiness.

[Guest guest]

>From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

>When I cut back on spinch and other veggies high in oxalates, most of the

>leg cramping went away.

Was this raw spinach? It's one of those goitrogens that interfere with

thyroid function in the raw form, thus it would make you more hypothyroid.

For the past year or so, my body has been

>dumping

>the stored oxalate out thru my skin. In summer I get heat rashes and

>tender pimple looking things which have hard white cores, which eventiually

>scab over, then shrink down.

Some allergists have diagnosed hypothyroidism due to rashes and other

conditions. My wife's allergist tried to do this, except he couldn't prove

it by lab tests and the endo simply said " he did a good job on testing. "

Her severe allergy problems disappeared with ADEQUATE thyroid treatment.

>My shin problems are complicated by my diabetes. Poor leg circulation and

>neuropathy go with diabetes. My shin problems seem to be a mix of

>diabetic complications and oxalate problems.

I don't remember your thyroid status. However, poor circulation and

neuropathy also go with hypothyroidism. It might also be the reason Broda

said none of his patients ever suffered from the complications of

diabetes, because there thyroid was well treated. Diabetes and thyroid

problems are common together, and maybe the nasty side effects are really

from low thyroid.

I had plantar fasciitis in my feet for four years. My business partner

would limp from his diabetes, I would limp from my thyroid problem (went

away on Armour, has happened to other too), and his problems looked a lot

like mine, just advanced due to age.

If your thyroid is adequately treated, I may be wrong but what you are

saying sounds a lot like potential thyroid problems. They manifest in a lot

of different ways.

Skipper

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[Guest guest]

If its not vitamins and minerals at the base, then what could it be?

In other words, what syndrome could you have that is separate from a deficiency that would not in its own right create one (as the body attempts to right itself?)

Your symptoms are just too strong to indicate that your body is balanced in regards to its vitamin and mineral requirements.

I only wish you to be better. Of course, make your own decisions about such things. I happen to think the majority of supplements are dangerous at best for anything other than very short term use.

Jane

[Guest guest]

On 9/6/06, Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

> >From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

>

> Was this raw spinach? It's one of those goitrogens that interfere with

> thyroid function in the raw form, thus it would make you more hypothyroid.

Mostly boiled spinach. Once in a while raw in salad. None in

the past 8 months, and very little in the past 2 years.

>

>

> I don't remember your thyroid status. However, poor circulation and

> neuropathy also go with hypothyroidism. It might also be the reason Broda

> said none of his patients ever suffered from the complications of

> diabetes, because there thyroid was well treated. Diabetes and thyroid

> problems are common together, and maybe the nasty side effects are really

> from low thyroid.

Never had any thyroid tests done. Back when I had a doctor, he never

suggested it. Now, here in New Orleans, there are no inexpensive

doctors and I do without them.

>

> Skipper

[Guest guest]

I do not see it that way and you have said nothing to convince me.

Oxalates are a problem for some people. I am one of them. I have

diabetes which has secondary effects like poor circulation. Both

oxalates and diabetes force me to have dietary restrictions. I do

what I can to get the fiber, vitamins, and other co-factors I need

from supplements rather than eating fruits and veggies which I know

cause problems.

You might want to do a google on orthomolecular medicine. High

potency vitamins can be a real help to some people.

Alobar

On 9/6/06, Jane Rowland <classicalwriter@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> If its not vitamins and minerals at the base, then what could it be?

>

> In other words, what syndrome could you have that is separate from a

deficiency that would not in its own right create one (as the body attempts to

right itself?)

>

> Your symptoms are just too strong to indicate that your body is balanced in

regards to its vitamin and mineral requirements.

>

> I only wish you to be better. Of course, make your own decisions about such

things. I happen to think the majority of supplements are dangerous at best for

anything other than very short term use.

>

>

> Jane

[Guest guest]

Have you ever done the temperature tests for your thyroid/adrenals?

----- Original Message -----

From: Alobar Never had any thyroid tests done. Back when I had a doctor, he neversuggested it. Now, here in New Orleans, there are no inexpensivedoctors and I do without them.

[Guest guest]

About 3 years ago I did the armpit temperature test. I started using

cocnut oil daily, which is supposed to help regulate adrenals.

Temperature was then normal. I used to have alternating night

sweats and chills, but after I started using coconut oil, both the

night sweats and chills went away, and have not returned.

Right now I do not have an appropriate thermometer. It is on my

shopping list for when I go to the right store.

Alobar

On 9/6/06, Zoe & <ZOEA@...> wrote:

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>

>

> Have you ever done the temperature tests for your thyroid/adrenals?

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Alobar

> Never had any thyroid tests done. Back when I had a doctor, he never

> suggested it. Now, here in New Orleans, there are no inexpensive

> doctors and I do without them.

>

[Guest guest]

When you get "an appropriate thermometer", you might want to try both the Basal temperature and Rind's method:

Dr Rind. Metabolic Therapy: Adrenal & Thyroid Correction Using temperature to sort out adrenal/thyroid issues, etc. http://drrind.com/metabolic.asp

Zoe

----- Original Message -----

From: Alobar

Right now I do not have an appropriate thermometer. It is on myshopping list for when I go to the right store.Alobar

[Guest guest]

>From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

>

>Never had any thyroid tests done. Back when I had a doctor, he never

>suggested it. Now, here in New Orleans, there are no inexpensive

>doctors and I do without them.

Low thyroid could be the root of your problems.

Skipper

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Alobar,

I'm not trying to convince you of anything you don't want to be convinced of. I think we all hear that you have quite extreme conditions and merely wish to help.

>>Highpotency vitamins can be a real help to some people.>>

Yes, but highly nutritionally-dense foods are beneficial for all. I am convinced that the cause of disease and the prevention of disease begins and ends with food. And I am also convinced that synthetic supplements are at best a temporary fix.

Jane

[Guest guest]

HI Alobar,I have organic coconut oil, I can only figure so many ways to use it. What do you do with it to use it every day?JackieOn Sep 6, 2006, at 1:41 PM, Alobar wrote:About 3 years ago I did the armpit temperature test. I started usingcocnut oil daily, which is supposed to help regulate adrenals.Temperature was then normal. I used to have alternating nightsweats and chills, but after I started using coconut oil, both thenight sweats and chills went away, and have not returned.Right now I do not have an appropriate thermometer. It is on myshopping list for when I go to the right store.Alobar.  www.myspace.com/jordanreimermusic

[Guest guest]

We disagree. You make assertions with nothing to back them up. You

sure seem to be trying to convince me to listen to you and ignore my

own research. Some nutritionally dense foods have too may carbs for

me to be able to eat. Other nutritionally dense foods are high

oxalate. I eat what veggies I am able to eat. But there is NOTHING

wrong with vitamins. If you believe supplementation is not right, do

you take Iodine?

Alobar

On 9/6/06, Jane Rowland <classicalwriter@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Alobar,

>

> I'm not trying to convince you of anything you don't want to be convinced of.

I think we all hear that you have quite extreme conditions and merely wish to

help.

>

>

> >>High

> potency vitamins can be a real help to some people.

> >>

>

>

> Yes, but highly nutritionally-dense foods are beneficial for all. I am

convinced that the cause of disease and the prevention of disease begins and

ends with food. And I am also convinced that synthetic supplements are at best a

temporary fix.

>

> Jane

[Guest guest]

I use it in cooking. I fry with it. I have a burger every morning

for breakfast, I put some of the oil I cooked the burger in on top

of the burger with some apple cider vinegar. Sometimes I just eat a

tablespoon as a snack. I find it yummy.

Alobar

On 9/6/06, Ken & Jackie Reimer <quest4us@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> HI Alobar,

>

>

> I have organic coconut oil, I can only figure so many ways to use it. What do

you do with it to use it every day?

>

>

> Jackie

>

[Guest guest]

i also supplement with coconut oil. i add it to

smoothies or protein shakes. it can be melted on a

baked sweet potato or any steamed Vegas. you can use

it in oatmeal or on toast (just like butter.) some

brands taste more like coconut. while others have

little taste, but neither is unpleasant.

julie

--- Alobar wrote:

> I use it in cooking. I fry with it.

Jackie wrote >

What do you do with it to use

> it every day?

>

[Guest guest]

> I do not see it that way and you have said nothing to convince me.

> Oxalates are a problem for some people. I am one of them.

> Alobar

Could you talk a little more about the kind of problems oxalates causes for

some people or provide a link?

Are you in agreement with the commonly held thought that cooking denatures

oxalates? Someone on another list once told me that oxalates are actually

less of a problem if the vegetable was raw, but I've never seen that

substantiated anywhere else.

In regards to the discussion of disease symptoms being caused by deficiency

of vitamins and minerals, I think about the effects of celiac disease, which

may lead to vitamin/mineral deficiency but isn't due to it. I can see how

an intolerance to oxalate could manifest symptoms just the way an

intolerance to gluten manifests symptoms.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

I had plenty of problems with cooked spinach, so cooking did not seem

to lessen oxalate problems for me.

Most of my information comes from the trying low oxalates e-list. I

tend not to read the technical articles because most researchers tend

to talk about things not applicable to me.

Below are some links to food lists of low, medium, and high oxalate

foods. Below that is the blurb from the homepage of the trying low

oxalates list with the URL for the list at the end.

http://www.branwen.com/rowan/oxalate.htm

http://www.pccnaturalmarkets.com/health/Diet/Low_Oxalate_Diet.htm

http://www.litholink.com/patientsDietInfo.htm

http://www.ohf.org/diet.html

Description

This group is set up for those wanting to explore the low oxalate

diet, and will offer information and support on how to implement this

diet and other methods of lowering oxalates.

Oxalates are present in much higher quantities in some foods compared

to others. This becomes more of a problem when the gut is leaky,

because higher quantities of oxalates will be absorbed from foods.

The body also makes oxalates. In some conditions, like vitamin B6

deficiency, and because of genetic defects in certain enzymes, or

because of oxidative stress, or in some types of bowel disease, and in

cystic fibrosis, the body will make or absorb too much oxalate.

Excess oxalate may lead to kidney stones and problems with oxalate

crystals forming in other organs. These crystals form much more easily

in tissues that are injured when they are exposed to oxalates and this

may cause pain. A diet restricting high-oxalate foods or other foods

that are metabolized into oxalates may be helpful to reduce these

problems.

People who have tried the low oxalate diet have noted improvements in

areas that are not discussed in detail in the medical literature, so

part of what we want to do on this list is learn things that can

inform the work of oxalate scientists. By sharing our experiences with

this diet in various conditions, we will learn more about all the

possibilities of what will change on a low oxalate diet.

Welcome!

PS. The discussions on this list do not constitute medical advice.

Please consult with your own health care professional regarding any

changes you would like to make to your own health care plan.

Trying_Low_Oxalates/

On 9/6/06, Lynn McGaha <lmcgaha@...> wrote:

> > I do not see it that way and you have said nothing to convince me.

> > Oxalates are a problem for some people. I am one of them.

> > Alobar

>

> Could you talk a little more about the kind of problems oxalates causes for

> some people or provide a link?

>

> Are you in agreement with the commonly held thought that cooking denatures

> oxalates? Someone on another list once told me that oxalates are actually

> less of a problem if the vegetable was raw, but I've never seen that

> substantiated anywhere else.

>

> In regards to the discussion of disease symptoms being caused by deficiency

> of vitamins and minerals, I think about the effects of celiac disease, which

> may lead to vitamin/mineral deficiency but isn't due to it. I can see how

> an intolerance to oxalate could manifest symptoms just the way an

> intolerance to gluten manifests symptoms.

>

> Lynn

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lynn McGaha wrote:

>

> Could you talk a little more about the kind of problems oxalates causes for

> some people or provide a link?

>

One of the big problems with oxalates is kidney stones. Interestingly,

*no one*

can digest oxalates. The people who handle them well are the ones who have

a particular bacteria in their gut which eats oxalates. If you've been

on antibiotics,

you may not have the bacteria.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3741/is_n10_v43/ai_17778198

I ferment most of my greens ... between the goitrogens, gas, oxalates,

ease-of-use and the fact that I LOVE kimchi and kraut it's a no

contest. I just slop a mess of kimchi-greens on my plate and I'm done.

(I use the term " Kimchi " for about any fermented green: you don't

have to use a lot of garlic and red pepper as the Koreans do,

tho it IS tasty that way!).

I have no solid evidence that oxalates are digested in kimchi,

but since most vegies have some oxalate and bacteria like

to eat it, I'd guess there are less oxalates in the fermented

material.

> Are you in agreement with the commonly held thought that cooking denatures

> oxalates? Someone on another list once told me that oxalates are actually

> less of a problem if the vegetable was raw, but I've never seen that

> substantiated anywhere else.

>

I've heard they can boil off in the water (along with the vitamins). But

heat doesn't

" kill " them.

> In regards to the discussion of disease symptoms being caused by deficiency

> of vitamins and minerals, I think about the effects of celiac disease, which

> may lead to vitamin/mineral deficiency but isn't due to it. I can see how

> an intolerance to oxalate could manifest symptoms just the way an

> intolerance to gluten manifests symptoms.

>

Hear hear! Oxalates are downright toxic though, if not digested

properly or if you eat too much. They kill cattle routinely. People with

improper

bacterial colonies probably don't digest them well ...

and most people with celiac (by the time they get diagnosed)

have pretty messed up guts.

Which is really, really ironic, because a lot of the vegies

people tout as " healthy " are full of oxalates!

At which point I could make a case for my favorite super-vegie,

seaweed ... seaweed doesn't contain oxalates, goitrogens, or purines.

Only one variety is even remotely toxic. Which is kind of amazing,

since most land plants (esp. the ones at the grocery store)

contain one or more toxins.

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=135

Seaweed generally has more nutrients than most land vegies too.

It's just a matter of learning how to use it!

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>Never had any thyroid tests done. Back when I had a doctor, he never

>suggested it. Now, here in New Orleans, there are no inexpensive

>doctors and I do without them.

>Alobar

Do you know about Healthcheckusa.com, where you can get blood testing

without a doctor's order? Course in New Orleans, there may not be a lab you

can go to now.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Thanks. The testing site looks interesting. Right now, I would not

have any idea what test or tests I should take. But I have

bookmarked the site for future reference.

Right now, the only place I can go for the test is a $15 cab ride each

way. Hopefully something closer will open up by the time I figure

out what I need, and save the $$ to pay for the test or tests.

Alobar

On 9/7/06, Lynn McGaha <lmcgaha@...> wrote:

> >Never had any thyroid tests done. Back when I had a doctor, he never

> >suggested it. Now, here in New Orleans, there are no inexpensive

> >doctors and I do without them.

> >Alobar

>

> Do you know about Healthcheckusa.com, where you can get blood testing

> without a doctor's order? Course in New Orleans, there may not be a lab you

> can go to now.

>

> Lynn

>

>