Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 --- Ellen <maryellenmu@...> wrote: > I am having sever chest pains. I was in the > emergency room this weekend because I have been so > hyper. What did the medics in the ER do? I mean what tests and/or medicine did they administer and was your own doctor there? > > The doctor wanted me to stop the amour for 24 hrs. > I was afraid to do that. Why are you afraid to do that? I was on 2 1/2 grains and > lowerd to 2. I was okay as a spread our my dose > until last night and woke up with sever panic and > chest pains. > > My T 3's have been high. I also take cortiso > replacement. > > Could it be that I cannot take amour.. I have been > taken it since march after being diagnose with > hashi's > > I cannot stay consistantlyout of a hper state. I > very rarely go hype. I You are reporting that you are hyper NOW. Think about now. > > If I took any other thyroid med, what is the > difference between levoyxl, synthroid. None, to my knowledge, simply two different manufacturers. Depending on dosage, however, there are dyes to color them and some people have trouble with those dyes. > > I am freaking out this morning. Sorry. I have been there. At the time over the phone my doctor spoke to me very calmly and suggested I take steps to calm myself, such as drinking a herbal tea and going out to take a walk. At the time I thought this was stupid but I tried it and it did calm me down enough to stop the 'freaking out'. It was not that *it was all in my head* the freaking out, I mean, but I was so scared that was making what I was experiencing worse. If you can calm yourself a bit it will be easier for you to tolerate and to think about what to do. > > Does anyone have a Broada Boins directory. I feel > like I am dying. I need a doc in Nashville, TN. I > went to the website and just cannot wait for it to > get in. > > They are testing me for grave's > > I do not want to go to the emcegency room again. Yes...I certainly understand that. I did not want to go there again, either. > > Thanks so much > > Ellen > Wish I could offer you more. Abbe __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 They gave me 2 bags of saline because I was also hyper and have severe diarrhea when I do that and lowered my armour. When I lower to much I go hypo. I flip back and forth bad. I will not get some of test results back later this week. My T4's did go down. He did say I was having hyper symtoms Thanks Ellen Re: Hyper/Chest Pain --- Ellen <maryellenmubellsouth (DOT) net> wrote:> I am having sever chest pains. I was in the> emergency room this weekend because I have been so> hyper. What did the medics in the ER do? I mean what testsand/or medicine did they administer and was your owndoctor there?> > The doctor wanted me to stop the amour for 24 hrs. > I was afraid to do that.Why are you afraid to do that?I was on 2 1/2 grains and> lowerd to 2. I was okay as a spread our my dose> until last night and woke up with sever panic and> chest pains. > > My T 3's have been high. I also take cortiso> replacement. > > Could it be that I cannot take amour.. I have been> taken it since march after being diagnose with> hashi's> > I cannot stay consistantlyout of a hper state. I> very rarely go hype. IYou are reporting that you are hyper NOW. Think aboutnow.> > If I took any other thyroid med, what is the> difference between levoyxl, synthroid. None, to my knowledge, simply two differentmanufacturers. Depending on dosage, however, thereare dyes to color them and some people have troublewith those dyes.> > I am freaking out this morning.Sorry. I have been there. At the time over the phonemy doctor spoke to me very calmly and suggested I takesteps to calm myself, such as drinking a herbal teaand going out to take a walk. At the time I thoughtthis was stupid but I tried it and it did calm me downenough to stop the 'freaking out'.It was not that *it was all in my head* the freakingout, I mean, but I was so scared that was making whatI was experiencing worse. If you can calm yourself abit it will be easier for you to tolerate and to thinkabout what to do.> > Does anyone have a Broada Boins directory. I feel> like I am dying. I need a doc in Nashville, TN. I> went to the website and just cannot wait for it to> get in.> > They are testing me for grave's> > I do not want to go to the emcegency room again.Yes...I certainly understand that. I did not want togo there again, either.> > Thanks so much> > Ellen> Wish I could offer you more.Abbe__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 IMO you really need to be on cortef!!! not medrol cortef 5mg 4X a day stops these hyper symptoms also Iodoral 50mg and probly more Armour too. Gracia I am having sever chest pains. I was in the emergency room this weekend because I have been so hyper. The doctor wanted me to stop the amour for 24 hrs. I was afraid to do that. I was on 2 1/2 grains and lowerd to 2. I was okay as a spread our my dose until last night and woke up with sever panic and chest pains. My T 3's have been high. I also take cortiso replacement. Could it be that I cannot take amour.. I have been taken it since march after being diagnose with hashi's I cannot stay consistantlyout of a hper state. I very rarely go hype. I If I took any other thyroid med, what is the difference between levoyxl, synthroid. I am freaking out this morning. Does anyone have a Broada Boins directory. I feel like I am dying. I need a doc in Nashville, TN. I went to the website and just cannot wait for it to get in. They are testing me for grave's I do not want to go to the emcegency room again. Thanks so much Ellen I was afraid to do that Re: Heart problems Thanks, Gracia - I had no idea that could cause a rapid pulse. Sharon> I would suspect that you need thyroid meds and/or adrenal support. My pulse was always very rapid until I got both. > Gracia No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Hi Ellen, Since you are unwilling to stop Armour for 24 hours under doctor's instructions, I get the impression you find it easier to cope with hyper symptoms than hypo symptoms. I cannot relate to this. My ER experience was also quite different. Hopefully someone else here will relate better and be able to offer suggestions that you will find helpful. I sincerely hope so, Abbe --- Ellen <maryellenmu@...> wrote: > They gave me 2 bags of saline because I was also > hyper and have severe diarrhea when I do that and > lowered my armour. When I lower to much I go hypo. > I flip back and forth bad. > > I will not get some of test results back later this > week. My T4's did go down. He did say I was > having hyper symtoms > > Thanks > Ellen > > Re: Hyper/Chest Pain > > > > > --- Ellen <maryellenmu@...> wrote: > > > I am having sever chest pains. I was in the > > emergency room this weekend because I have been > so > > hyper. > > What did the medics in the ER do? I mean what > tests > and/or medicine did they administer and was your > own > doctor there? > > > > > The doctor wanted me to stop the amour for 24 > hrs. > > I was afraid to do that. > > Why are you afraid to do that? > > I was on 2 1/2 grains and > > lowerd to 2. I was okay as a spread our my dose > > until last night and woke up with sever panic > and > > chest pains. > > > > My T 3's have been high. I also take cortiso > > replacement. > > > > Could it be that I cannot take amour.. I have > been > > taken it since march after being diagnose with > > hashi's > > > > I cannot stay consistantlyout of a hper state. I > > very rarely go hype. I > > You are reporting that you are hyper NOW. Think > about > now. > > > > > If I took any other thyroid med, what is the > > difference between levoyxl, synthroid. > > None, to my knowledge, simply two different > manufacturers. Depending on dosage, however, there > are dyes to color them and some people have > trouble > with those dyes. > > > > > I am freaking out this morning. > > Sorry. I have been there. At the time over the > phone > my doctor spoke to me very calmly and suggested I > take > steps to calm myself, such as drinking a herbal > tea > and going out to take a walk. At the time I > thought > this was stupid but I tried it and it did calm me > down > enough to stop the 'freaking out'. > > It was not that *it was all in my head* the > freaking > out, I mean, but I was so scared that was making > what > I was experiencing worse. If you can calm yourself > a > bit it will be easier for you to tolerate and to > think > about what to do. > > > > > Does anyone have a Broada Boins directory. I > feel > > like I am dying. I need a doc in Nashville, TN. > I > > went to the website and just cannot wait for it > to > > get in. > > > > They are testing me for grave's > > > > I do not want to go to the emcegency room again. > > Yes...I certainly understand that. I did not want > to > go there again, either. > > > > > Thanks so much > > > > Ellen > > > > Wish I could offer you more. > > Abbe > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 From what you have written you say that the doctor is mad at you for taking too much Armour. Then he told you to stop for 24 hours and you did not listen. You have consistently stayed Hyper since starting the medication even though you have Hashimoto's (hypothyroidism). You almost never have had hypo symptoms. If I had to pick I would much prefer to have hypo symptoms... hyper is very frightening. Hyper is emergency rooms and blind panic. I would risk the HYPO... you know how to do it... lower the Armour like the doctor wants you to. How exactly you got it in your head that more is better I am not sure. As I said my doctor has had hashimoto's for 10 years and takes 2 grains of Armour and nothing else and feels great. You can't determine whether you can take Armour until you get to the dose that is right for you... which your doctor seems to think is down. Maybe the doctor is not able to stabilize you because you are not listening to him. --- Ellen <maryellenmu@...> wrote: > They gave me 2 bags of saline because I was also hyper and have severe diarrhea when I do that > and lowered my armour. When I lower to much I go hypo. I flip back and forth bad. > > I will not get some of test results back later this week. My T4's did go down. He did say I > was having hyper symtoms > > Thanks > Ellen > > Re: Hyper/Chest Pain > > > > > --- Ellen <maryellenmu@...> wrote: > > > I am having sever chest pains. I was in the > > emergency room this weekend because I have been so > > hyper. > > What did the medics in the ER do? I mean what tests > and/or medicine did they administer and was your own > doctor there? > > > > > The doctor wanted me to stop the amour for 24 hrs. > > I was afraid to do that. > > Why are you afraid to do that? > > I was on 2 1/2 grains and > > lowerd to 2. I was okay as a spread our my dose > > until last night and woke up with sever panic and > > chest pains. > > > > My T 3's have been high. I also take cortiso > > replacement. > > > > Could it be that I cannot take amour.. I have been > > taken it since march after being diagnose with > > hashi's > > > > I cannot stay consistantlyout of a hper state. I > > very rarely go hype. I > > You are reporting that you are hyper NOW. Think about > now. > > > > > If I took any other thyroid med, what is the > > difference between levoyxl, synthroid. > > None, to my knowledge, simply two different > manufacturers. Depending on dosage, however, there > are dyes to color them and some people have trouble > with those dyes. > > > > > I am freaking out this morning. > > Sorry. I have been there. At the time over the phone > my doctor spoke to me very calmly and suggested I take > steps to calm myself, such as drinking a herbal tea > and going out to take a walk. At the time I thought > this was stupid but I tried it and it did calm me down > enough to stop the 'freaking out'. > > It was not that *it was all in my head* the freaking > out, I mean, but I was so scared that was making what > I was experiencing worse. If you can calm yourself a > bit it will be easier for you to tolerate and to think > about what to do. > > > > > Does anyone have a Broada Boins directory. I feel > > like I am dying. I need a doc in Nashville, TN. I > > went to the website and just cannot wait for it to > > get in. > > > > They are testing me for grave's > > > > I do not want to go to the emcegency room again. > > Yes...I certainly understand that. I did not want to > go there again, either. > > > > > Thanks so much > > > > Ellen > > > > Wish I could offer you more. > > Abbe > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 I really do have experience with this. I have really been where she is. I actually ended up on 4 grains of Armour but to get there I had to get adrenal and sex hormones. Hyper symptoms are very poorly treated and understood by most docs--it really doesn't mean she doesn't need thyroid meds. Dr. Derry started his patients on 3 grains of Armour. I think your doc just needs Iodine. Gracia Too much Armour does not produce this and many of us have hyper symptoms with hypo. Anyway she is not on too much meds. From what you have written you say that the doctor is mad at you for taking too much Armour. Thenhe told you to stop for 24 hours and you did not listen. You have consistently stayed Hyper sincestarting the medication even though you have Hashimoto's (hypothyroidism). You almost never havehad hypo symptoms.If I had to pick I would much prefer to have hypo symptoms... hyper is very frightening. Hyper isemergency rooms and blind panic. I would risk the HYPO... you know how to do it... lower theArmour like the doctor wants you to. How exactly you got it in your head that more is better I amnot sure. As I said my doctor has had hashimoto's for 10 years and takes 2 grains of Armour andnothing else and feels great. You can't determine whether you can take Armour until you get tothe dose that is right for you... which your doctor seems to think is down. Maybe the doctor isnot able to stabilize you because you are not listening to him.--- Ellen <maryellenmubellsouth (DOT) net> wrote:> They gave me 2 bags of saline because I was also hyper and have severe diarrhea when I do that> and lowered my armour. When I lower to much I go hypo. I flip back and forth bad.> > I will not get some of test results back later this week. My T4's did go down. He did say I> was having hyper symtoms> > Thanks> Ellen> > Re: Hyper/Chest Pain> > > > > --- Ellen <maryellenmubellsouth (DOT) net> wrote:> > > I am having sever chest pains. I was in the> > emergency room this weekend because I have been so> > hyper. > > What did the medics in the ER do? I mean what tests> and/or medicine did they administer and was your own> doctor there?> > > > > The doctor wanted me to stop the amour for 24 hrs. > > I was afraid to do that.> > Why are you afraid to do that?> > I was on 2 1/2 grains and> > lowerd to 2. I was okay as a spread our my dose> > until last night and woke up with sever panic and> > chest pains. > > > > My T 3's have been high. I also take cortiso> > replacement. > > > > Could it be that I cannot take amour.. I have been> > taken it since march after being diagnose with> > hashi's> > > > I cannot stay consistantlyout of a hper state. I> > very rarely go hype. I> > You are reporting that you are hyper NOW. Think about> now.> > > > > If I took any other thyroid med, what is the> > difference between levoyxl, synthroid. > > None, to my knowledge, simply two different> manufacturers. Depending on dosage, however, there> are dyes to color them and some people have trouble> with those dyes.> > > > > I am freaking out this morning.> > Sorry. I have been there. At the time over the phone> my doctor spoke to me very calmly and suggested I take> steps to calm myself, such as drinking a herbal tea> and going out to take a walk. At the time I thought> this was stupid but I tried it and it did calm me down> enough to stop the 'freaking out'.> > It was not that *it was all in my head* the freaking> out, I mean, but I was so scared that was making what> I was experiencing worse. If you can calm yourself a> bit it will be easier for you to tolerate and to think> about what to do.> > > > > Does anyone have a Broada Boins directory. I feel> > like I am dying. I need a doc in Nashville, TN. I> > went to the website and just cannot wait for it to> > get in.> > > > They are testing me for grave's> > > > I do not want to go to the emcegency room again.> > Yes...I certainly understand that. I did not want to> go there again, either.> > > > > Thanks so much> > > > Ellen> > > > Wish I could offer you more.> > Abbe> > __________________________________________________> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 I am sure you have much more experience than I do with this. The year that you say you spent taking 90mg or Armour... did it have you hyperthyroid with blood work up and out of range and in emergency rooms? --- Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > > I really do have experience with this. I have really been where she is. I actually > ended up on 4 grains of Armour but to get there I had to get adrenal and sex hormones. Hyper > symptoms are very poorly treated and understood by most docs--it really doesn't mean she doesn't > need thyroid meds. Dr. Derry started his patients on 3 grains of Armour. I think your doc just > needs Iodine. > Gracia > > > > Too much Armour does not produce this and many of us have hyper symptoms with hypo. Anyway > she is not on too much meds. > > From what you have written you say that the doctor is mad at you for taking too much Armour. > Then > he told you to stop for 24 hours and you did not listen. You have consistently stayed Hyper > since > starting the medication even though you have Hashimoto's (hypothyroidism). You almost never > have > had hypo symptoms. > > If I had to pick I would much prefer to have hypo symptoms... hyper is very frightening. Hyper > is > emergency rooms and blind panic. I would risk the HYPO... you know how to do it... lower the > Armour like the doctor wants you to. How exactly you got it in your head that more is better I > am > not sure. As I said my doctor has had hashimoto's for 10 years and takes 2 grains of Armour > and > nothing else and feels great. You can't determine whether you can take Armour until you get to > the dose that is right for you... which your doctor seems to think is down. Maybe the doctor > is > not able to stabilize you because you are not listening to him. > > --- Ellen <maryellenmu@...> wrote: > > > They gave me 2 bags of saline because I was also hyper and have severe diarrhea when I do > that > > and lowered my armour. When I lower to much I go hypo. I flip back and forth bad. > > > > I will not get some of test results back later this week. My T4's did go down. He did say I > > was having hyper symtoms > > > > Thanks > > Ellen > > > > Re: Hyper/Chest Pain > > > > > > > > > > --- Ellen <maryellenmu@...> wrote: > > > > > I am having sever chest pains. I was in the > > > emergency room this weekend because I have been so > > > hyper. > > > > What did the medics in the ER do? I mean what tests > > and/or medicine did they administer and was your own > > doctor there? > > > > > > > > The doctor wanted me to stop the amour for 24 hrs. > > > I was afraid to do that. > > > > Why are you afraid to do that? > > > > I was on 2 1/2 grains and > > > lowerd to 2. I was okay as a spread our my dose > > > until last night and woke up with sever panic and > > > chest pains. > > > > > > My T 3's have been high. I also take cortiso > > > replacement. > > > > > > Could it be that I cannot take amour.. I have been > > > taken it since march after being diagnose with > > > hashi's > > > > > > I cannot stay consistantlyout of a hper state. I > > > very rarely go hype. I > > > > You are reporting that you are hyper NOW. Think about > > now. > > > > > > > > If I took any other thyroid med, what is the > > > difference between levoyxl, synthroid. > > > > None, to my knowledge, simply two different > > manufacturers. Depending on dosage, however, there > > are dyes to color them and some people have trouble > > with those dyes. > > > > > > > > I am freaking out this morning. > > > > Sorry. I have been there. At the time over the phone > > my doctor spoke to me very calmly and suggested I take > > steps to calm myself, such as drinking a herbal tea > > and going out to take a walk. At the time I thought > > this was stupid but I tried it and it did calm me down > > enough to stop the 'freaking out'. > > > > It was not that *it was all in my head* the freaking > > out, I mean, but I was so scared that was making what > > I was experiencing worse. If you can calm yourself a > > bit it will be easier for you to tolerate and to think > > about what to do. > > > > > > > > Does anyone have a Broada Boins directory. I feel > > > like I am dying. I need a doc in Nashville, TN. I > > > went to the website and just cannot wait for it to > > > get in. > > > > > > They are testing me for grave's > > > > > > I do not want to go to the emcegency room again. > > > > Yes...I certainly understand that. I did not want to > > go there again, either. > > > > > > > > Thanks so much > > > > > > Ellen > > > > > > > Wish I could offer you more. > > > > Abbe > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 I would rather die right here than go to emergency room---I am that scared of docs. More than a year on 90mg, I had a very rapid pulse. I think I survived b/c I was using 200mg progesterone and a bit of estrogen, plus tons of vitamins. I had gall bladder attacks (which went away with more Armour), CFS, black depression, high bp, anxiety etc etc etc. I guess I was considered hyperthyroid by the TSH--I am now. That is a completely bogus test. Gracia I am sure you have much more experience than I do with this. The year that you say you spenttaking 90mg or Armour... did it have you hyperthyroid with blood work up and out of range and inemergency rooms? --- Gracia <circe@...> wrote:> > I really do have experience with this. I have really been where she is. I actually> ended up on 4 grains of Armour but to get there I had to get adrenal and sex hormones. Hyper> symptoms are very poorly treated and understood by most docs--it really doesn't mean she doesn't> need thyroid meds. Dr. Derry started his patients on 3 grains of Armour. I think your doc just> needs Iodine.> Gracia> > > > Too much Armour does not produce this and many of us have hyper symptoms with hypo. Anyway> she is not on too much meds. > > From what you have written you say that the doctor is mad at you for taking too much Armour.> Then> he told you to stop for 24 hours and you did not listen. You have consistently stayed Hyper> since> starting the medication even though you have Hashimoto's (hypothyroidism). You almost never> have> had hypo symptoms.> > If I had to pick I would much prefer to have hypo symptoms... hyper is very frightening. Hyper> is> emergency rooms and blind panic. I would risk the HYPO... you know how to do it... lower the> Armour like the doctor wants you to. How exactly you got it in your head that more is better I> am> not sure. As I said my doctor has had hashimoto's for 10 years and takes 2 grains of Armour> and> nothing else and feels great. You can't determine whether you can take Armour until you get to> the dose that is right for you... which your doctor seems to think is down. Maybe the doctor> is> not able to stabilize you because you are not listening to him.> > --- Ellen <maryellenmubellsouth (DOT) net> wrote:> > > They gave me 2 bags of saline because I was also hyper and have severe diarrhea when I do> that> > and lowered my armour. When I lower to much I go hypo. I flip back and forth bad.> > > > I will not get some of test results back later this week. My T4's did go down. He did say I> > was having hyper symtoms> > > > Thanks> > Ellen> > > > Re: Hyper/Chest Pain> > > > > > > > > > --- Ellen <maryellenmubellsouth (DOT) net> wrote:> > > > > I am having sever chest pains. I was in the> > > emergency room this weekend because I have been so> > > hyper. > > > > What did the medics in the ER do? I mean what tests> > and/or medicine did they administer and was your own> > doctor there?> > > > > > > > The doctor wanted me to stop the amour for 24 hrs. > > > I was afraid to do that.> > > > Why are you afraid to do that?> > > > I was on 2 1/2 grains and> > > lowerd to 2. I was okay as a spread our my dose> > > until last night and woke up with sever panic and> > > chest pains. > > > > > > My T 3's have been high. I also take cortiso> > > replacement. > > > > > > Could it be that I cannot take amour.. I have been> > > taken it since march after being diagnose with> > > hashi's> > > > > > I cannot stay consistantlyout of a hper state. I> > > very rarely go hype. I> > > > You are reporting that you are hyper NOW. Think about> > now.> > > > > > > > If I took any other thyroid med, what is the> > > difference between levoyxl, synthroid. > > > > None, to my knowledge, simply two different> > manufacturers. Depending on dosage, however, there> > are dyes to color them and some people have trouble> > with those dyes.> > > > > > > > I am freaking out this morning.> > > > Sorry. I have been there. At the time over the phone> > my doctor spoke to me very calmly and suggested I take> > steps to calm myself, such as drinking a herbal tea> > and going out to take a walk. At the time I thought> > this was stupid but I tried it and it did calm me down> > enough to stop the 'freaking out'.> > > > It was not that *it was all in my head* the freaking> > out, I mean, but I was so scared that was making what> > I was experiencing worse. If you can calm yourself a> > bit it will be easier for you to tolerate and to think> > about what to do.> > > > > > > > Does anyone have a Broada Boins directory. I feel> > > like I am dying. I need a doc in Nashville, TN. I> > > went to the website and just cannot wait for it to> > > get in.> > > > > > They are testing me for grave's> > > > > > I do not want to go to the emcegency room again.> > > > Yes...I certainly understand that. I did not want to> > go there again, either.> > > > > > > > Thanks so much> > > > > > Ellen> > > > > > > Wish I could offer you more.> > > > Abbe> > > > __________________________________________________> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 I have lowerd it. I am just taking one day at a time. It was not my doctor that told me to lower it, it was ER doc and he knew nothing about armour. I am graduallylowering it and the hyper symtoms are better. I was instructed from another site not to just stop for 24 hours. I did want to end up in the dirt. So slowly doing is working. I am down to 11/2 gr. I will see how what happens. Ellen Re: Hyper/Chest Pain> > > > > > > > > > --- Ellen <maryellenmubellsouth (DOT) net> wrote:> > > > > I am having sever chest pains. I was in the> > > emergency room this weekend because I have been so> > > hyper. > > > > What did the medics in the ER do? I mean what tests> > and/or medicine did they administer and was your own> > doctor there?> > > > > > > > The doctor wanted me to stop the amour for 24 hrs. > > > I was afraid to do that.> > > > Why are you afraid to do that?> > > > I was on 2 1/2 grains and> > > lowerd to 2. I was okay as a spread our my dose> > > until last night and woke up with sever panic and> > > chest pains. > > > > > > My T 3's have been high. I also take cortiso> > > replacement. > > > > > > Could it be that I cannot take amour.. I have been> > > taken it since march after being diagnose with> > > hashi's> > > > > > I cannot stay consistantlyout of a hper state. I> > > very rarely go hype. I> > > > You are reporting that you are hyper NOW. Think about> > now.> > > > > > > > If I took any other thyroid med, what is the> > > difference between levoyxl, synthroid. > > > > None, to my knowledge, simply two different> > manufacturers. Depending on dosage, however, there> > are dyes to color them and some people have trouble> > with those dyes.> > > > > > > > I am freaking out this morning.> > > > Sorry. I have been there. At the time over the phone> > my doctor spoke to me very calmly and suggested I take> > steps to calm myself, such as drinking a herbal tea> > and going out to take a walk. At the time I thought> > this was stupid but I tried it and it did calm me down> > enough to stop the 'freaking out'.> > > > It was not that *it was all in my head* the freaking> > out, I mean, but I was so scared that was making what> > I was experiencing worse. If you can calm yourself a> > bit it will be easier for you to tolerate and to think> > about what to do.> > > > > > > > Does anyone have a Broada Boins directory. I feel> > > like I am dying. I need a doc in Nashville, TN. I> > > went to the website and just cannot wait for it to> > > get in.> > > > > > They are testing me for grave's> > > > > > I do not want to go to the emcegency room again.> > > > Yes...I certainly understand that. I did not want to> > go there again, either.> > > > > > > > Thanks so much> > > > > > Ellen> > > > > > > Wish I could offer you more.> > > > Abbe> > > > __________________________________________________> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 If I may offer here my own experience. When I was given neurotransmitters by a doc, it threw me very close into thyroid storm. I started getting anxiety, terrible palps that wouldn't quit and my heart rate went up to 112, laying still first thing the morning and wouldn't slow down. I knew my pulse rate was normally around 65-80 depending on what I am doing. It was on a week-end and I couldn't reach the doc that put me on the neurotransmitters. I have a great holistic doc across state I go to, but they were in the middle of a hurricane, all phones were out and I couldn't reach him. I did not want to go to the ER, because I know they wouldn't know what to do with me, and would probably tell me to switch to a T4 med. I went strickly by pulse rates. I quit my thyroid hormone altogether. I had to lay off my thyroid med for one full week before my pulse rate started really going down. When it went reached 48, I gradually started all over (1/4 grain at a time) with my thryoid med. I kept on checking pulse rates and doing raises. Come to find out when I finally did reach my doc across state, he said thank God that's what I did for that is how he would have told me to handle my situation. He also told me after this, if my pulse rate went to 150, to go to the ER, do what they say and then call him and he would keep me on my compounded natural porcine thyroid meds (same as Armour but without the binders and fillers). I guess what I am saying here is that your ER doc was probably right in telling you to stop your thyroid meds. Heck you can forget to take them one day, with no problem. I have a running order for thyroid blood tests, and Monday following the week end this happened to me, I had thyroid tests run. My TSH was depressed (did not show up), my FT3 levels were off the chart at 614 (230-420) and Ft4 was right at the low normal mark. This was 2 days AFTER I had stopped thyroid hormone. Lord knows what it was they day of my cardiac problems. If you are in a hyper state, then stopping thyroid hormone for one day or more for that matter if OK and probably needed. I assume the ER ran blood tests of TSH, FT4, and FT3. V > > I have lowerd it. I am just taking one day at a time. It was not my doctor that told me to lower it, it was ER doc and he knew nothing about armour. I am graduallylowering it and the hyper symtoms are better. I was instructed from another site not to just stop for 24 hours. I did want to end up in the dirt. So slowly doing is working. I am down to 11/2 gr. I will see how what happens. > > Ellen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 >From: " Gracia " <circe@...> > I really do have experience with this. I have really been where >she is. I actually ended up on 4 grains of Armour but to get there I had >to get adrenal and sex hormones. Hyper symptoms are very poorly treated >and understood by most docs--it really doesn't mean she doesn't need >thyroid meds. Dr. Derry started his patients on 3 grains of Armour. I >think your doc just needs Iodine. When you were in her position, were your lab tests on the hyper side? I don't recall her numbers but I thought them on the hyper side. I do understand what you're saying, as some people don't feel well unless their numbers are on the hyper side. My wife's on timed release T3, her TSH is -0-, T4 -0-, and T3 is well above range. Most people would be hyper at this level, but she feels good and her pulse rate is around 70. Before she went on high dose thyroid therapy, her pulse rate was over 100, and her BP was escalated. The T3 slowed down her heart rate, and made her much better. High heart rates and other problems associated with hyperthyroidism are sometimes simply hypo problems in disguise. Biochemist Ray Peat explained that sometimes adrenaline would compensate for low thyroid, and the heart rate would be over 100 in the hypo state. Some doctors won't give people thyroid hormone if their pulse rate is over 80, and will stop when it gets there. My pulse rate wasn't in the 80s when I was 17 and in good shape. (Low cortisol can do that.) Vitamin C deficiency can cause the appearance of hyperthyroidism. Some people have had their thyroid removed or radiated because they don't get enough Vitamin C. Langer mentioned that in " Solved the Riddle of Illness. " Chest pain is common in hyperthyroidism. The problem is one does have to be careful, because if they really are hyper symptoms, ARmour isn't going to cure them. But, Gracia could be right about this. But, most doctors are going to err in the other direction on the side of caution. Also, hydrocortisone is a bio-identical hormone. The Medrol she it taking is not. If Cortef wasn't " strong " enough, and I'm not sure what low adrenals symptoms it didn't cure, maybe she should have taken more. Taking Prednisone and related synthetic analogs is not nearly the same thing as taking bio-identical hydrocortisone. I tried Prednisone for a couple weeks, and was quite sorry. Iodine used to be used to treat hyperthyroidism. Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Got something to buy, sell or swap? Try Windows Live Expo ttp://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.liv\ e.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 at that time I was very frightened to go near a doc. I was sure they would hurt me, and they sure would have. I had already had half of my thyroid gland removed and then endured 30 years of living hell. My brain was pudding so I didn't have concrete logical reasons for staying away from docs, I just knew on an intuitive level that they didn't know what they were doing. I had just been laid off from my job, had no health insurance, was living alone and dying, and was coming to the realization that I needed thyroid hormone. I think my TSH b4 Armour was "perfect" and with 90mg Armour it was .06 which it is now. TSH is meaningless for me. I don't think there is such a thing as hyperthyroid! I think it is all hypo. I think docs are completely wrong about so much. Also I think your wife needs cortisol! Gracia >From: "Gracia" <circe@...>> I really do have experience with this. I have really been where >she is. I actually ended up on 4 grains of Armour but to get there I had >to get adrenal and sex hormones. Hyper symptoms are very poorly treated >and understood by most docs--it really doesn't mean she doesn't need >thyroid meds. Dr. Derry started his patients on 3 grains of Armour. I >think your doc just needs Iodine.When you were in her position, were your lab tests on the hyper side? I don't recall her numbers but I thought them on the hyper side.I do understand what you're saying, as some people don't feel well unless their numbers are on the hyper side. My wife's on timed release T3, her TSH is -0-, T4 -0-, and T3 is well above range. Most people would be hyper at this level, but she feels good and her pulse rate is around 70.Before she went on high dose thyroid therapy, her pulse rate was over 100, and her BP was escalated. The T3 slowed down her heart rate, and made her much better.High heart rates and other problems associated with hyperthyroidism are sometimes simply hypo problems in disguise. Biochemist Ray Peat explained that sometimes adrenaline would compensate for low thyroid, and the heart rate would be over 100 in the hypo state. Some doctors won't give people thyroid hormone if their pulse rate is over 80, and will stop when it gets there. My pulse rate wasn't in the 80s when I was 17 and in good shape. (Low cortisol can do that.)Vitamin C deficiency can cause the appearance of hyperthyroidism. Some people have had their thyroid removed or radiated because they don't get enough Vitamin C. Langer mentioned that in "Solved the Riddle of Illness."Chest pain is common in hyperthyroidism.The problem is one does have to be careful, because if they really are hyper symptoms, ARmour isn't going to cure them. But, Gracia could be right about this. But, most doctors are going to err in the other direction on the side of caution.Also, hydrocortisone is a bio-identical hormone. The Medrol she it taking is not. If Cortef wasn't "strong" enough, and I'm not sure what low adrenals symptoms it didn't cure, maybe she should have taken more. Taking Prednisone and related synthetic analogs is not nearly the same thing as taking bio-identical hydrocortisone.I tried Prednisone for a couple weeks, and was quite sorry.Iodine used to be used to treat hyperthyroidism.Skipper__________________________________________________________Got something to buy, sell or swap? Try Windows Live Expo ttp://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 then you need to get proper adrenal meds like cortef and take Iodoral. IMHO Gracia I have lowerd it. I am just taking one day at a time. It was not my doctor that told me to lower it, it was ER doc and he knew nothing about armour. I am graduallylowering it and the hyper symtoms are better. I was instructed from another site not to just stop for 24 hours. I did want to end up in the dirt. So slowly doing is working. I am down to 11/2 gr. I will see how what happens. Ellen Re: Hyper/Chest Pain> > > > > > > > > > --- Ellen <maryellenmubellsouth (DOT) net> wrote:> > > > > I am having sever chest pains. I was in the> > > emergency room this weekend because I have been so> > > hyper. > > > > What did the medics in the ER do? I mean what tests> > and/or medicine did they administer and was your own> > doctor there?> > > > > > > > The doctor wanted me to stop the amour for 24 hrs. > > > I was afraid to do that.> > > > Why are you afraid to do that?> > > > I was on 2 1/2 grains and> > > lowerd to 2. I was okay as a spread our my dose> > > until last night and woke up with sever panic and> > > chest pains. > > > > > > My T 3's have been high. I also take cortiso> > > replacement. > > > > > > Could it be that I cannot take amour.. I have been> > > taken it since march after being diagnose with> > > hashi's> > > > > > I cannot stay consistantlyout of a hper state. I> > > very rarely go hype. I> > > > You are reporting that you are hyper NOW. Think about> > now.> > > > > > > > If I took any other thyroid med, what is the> > > difference between levoyxl, synthroid. > > > > None, to my knowledge, simply two different> > manufacturers. Depending on dosage, however, there> > are dyes to color them and some people have trouble> > with those dyes.> > > > > > > > I am freaking out this morning.> > > > Sorry. I have been there. At the time over the phone> > my doctor spoke to me very calmly and suggested I take> > steps to calm myself, such as drinking a herbal tea> > and going out to take a walk. At the time I thought> > this was stupid but I tried it and it did calm me down> > enough to stop the 'freaking out'.> > > > It was not that *it was all in my head* the freaking> > out, I mean, but I was so scared that was making what> > I was experiencing worse. If you can calm yourself a> > bit it will be easier for you to tolerate and to think> > about what to do.> > > > > > > > Does anyone have a Broada Boins directory. I feel> > > like I am dying. I need a doc in Nashville, TN. I> > > went to the website and just cannot wait for it to> > > get in.> > > > > > They are testing me for grave's> > > > > > I do not want to go to the emcegency room again.> > > > Yes...I certainly understand that. I did not want to> > go there again, either.> > > > > > > > Thanks so much> > > > > > Ellen> > > > > > > Wish I could offer you more.> > > > Abbe> > > > __________________________________________________> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 --- Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > I think my TSH b4 Armour was " perfect " and with > TSH is > meaningless for me. > Gracia > This is at least the second time in recent days you have made this comment about TSH. I simply want to say that I am astonished by your making this comment: 'TSH is meaningless for me.' Only a few months ago when I declined your advice regarding TSH and said I was not concerned about the lab report on my TSH you wrote a message about the terrible things that could happen with TSH readings like mine and implied that I am mentally unbalanced because I chose to disregard the lab numbers. Abbe __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 >From: Abbe <abbe_online@...> TSH is more likely to be meaningless when it's low. When the TSH is elevated, it's telling the thyroid to produce more homone, and it can't keep up. This is one of the problems that cause goiter. Many people with low TSH, find their symptoms going away on adequate thyroid meds. At the very least, if TSH is high they should see what their T4 and T3 numbers are. If low, one may need treatment. Some people with elevated TSH say they have no thyroid symptoms, so it is possible it's irrelevant in that direction too. But, one should be cautious because untreated hypothyroidism can lead to almost any negative health condition you can imagine, including death and coma. Skipper >This is at least the second time in recent days you >have made this comment about TSH. > >I simply want to say that I am astonished by your >making this comment: 'TSH is meaningless for me.' > >Only a few months ago when I declined your advice >regarding TSH and said I was not concerned about the >lab report on my TSH you wrote a message about the >terrible things that could happen with TSH readings >like mine and implied that I am mentally unbalanced >because I chose to disregard the lab numbers. > > >Abbe > >__________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 the TSH test is meaningless FOR ME. my TSH is always low or normal or even hyper but I remain hypothyroid. TSH can be an interesting initial diagnostic tool but it is a small part of the whole picture---except when TSH is high. Then IMO it would be very good to get thyroid meds. I just read today of a woman whose TSH was 80 something and the doc kept her on 25mcg $inthroid. HELLO The whole body suffers from untreated/poorly treated hypo. I have also read that about 2/3 of the people who should be on thyroid meds have "normal" test results. I guess that is the point of Hypothyrodiism Type 2 by Mark Starr MD. And excuse me, but since mental illness is pervasive in my family, I like to think I have the sensitivity to refrain from calling someone mentally unbalanced. I might think you are mentally unbalanced b/c of thyroid/adrenal issues but why would I resort to name calling? Gracia --- Gracia <circe@...> wrote:> I think my TSH b4 Armour was "perfect" and with> TSH is> meaningless for me. > Gracia> This is at least the second time in recent days youhave made this comment about TSH.I simply want to say that I am astonished by yourmaking this comment: 'TSH is meaningless for me.' Only a few months ago when I declined your adviceregarding TSH and said I was not concerned about thelab report on my TSH you wrote a message about theterrible things that could happen with TSH readingslike mine and implied that I am mentally unbalancedbecause I chose to disregard the lab numbers.Abbe__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 I would like to add just a bit more to what Skipper said. On the Natural Thyroid Hormone group, and on Shomon's thyroid group, it's very common to hear people say that the TSH test is worthless. This is in reaction to the common experience of having a TSH test in range and yet still experiencing hypothyroid symptoms, which turn out to be usually relieved by sufficient thyroid meds. It's a common situation for doctors to monitor someone on thyroid meds only by the results of a TSH test and to think that person is on adequate dosage when their TSH is in range. Exogenous thyroid supplementation will suppress pituitary expression of TSH, and instead of a TSH in normal range, a person supplementing with thyroid will have optimal levels of thyroid function when the TSH is suppressed. Thus the TSH test has been used as a tool that actually keeps people in hypothyroid h__l, and it is treated with scorn and vehemence by those that have suffered with low thyroid functioning despite in range TSH values. Unfortunately saying the TSH test is worthless is only half right. People aren't thinking about a high TSH value when they say that, because I really think everyone does agree that a high TSH value does mean hypothyroidism and needs treatment. I've never read any disagreement about that. The only disagreement is over how high the value of TSH needs to be before treatment is indicated, and there are many indications it's far less than the upper value of the TSH range, even the new range. Lynn > TSH is more likely to be meaningless when it's low. > > When the TSH is elevated, it's telling the thyroid to produce more homone, > and it can't keep up. This is one of the problems that cause goiter. > > Many people with low TSH, find their symptoms going away on adequate thyroid > meds. > > At the very least, if TSH is high they should see what their T4 and T3 > numbers are. If low, one may need treatment. > > Some people with elevated TSH say they have no thyroid symptoms, so it is > possible it's irrelevant in that direction too. > > But, one should be cautious because untreated hypothyroidism can lead to > almost any negative health condition you can imagine, including death and > coma. > > Skipper > > > >This is at least the second time in recent days you > >have made this comment about TSH. > > > >I simply want to say that I am astonished by your > >making this comment: 'TSH is meaningless for me.' > > > >Only a few months ago when I declined your advice > >regarding TSH and said I was not concerned about the > >lab report on my TSH you wrote a message about the > >terrible things that could happen with TSH readings > >like mine and implied that I am mentally unbalanced > >because I chose to disregard the lab numbers. > > > > > >Abbe > > > >__________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 I know a woman who had a TSH of 2000 something! She has been on only 1 grain of Armour for a number of years. She recent started taking an addition quarter of a grain and now she takes the whole grain and a quarter at 4 a.m. Her recent blood work now shows a TSH of 140 and she is convinced it is the 4 am schedule that did it not the extra quarter. She tells me that Armour has it on their website that no food should be consumed within 4 hours after taking Armour (is this true?). I am the reason that she went up at all in her dosage at all. I keep telling her my TSH is 1.7 and I can take 2 grains and although I don't feel great on it, I feel a hell of a lot better than she has for the last 10 years. She is seemingly addicted to feeling bad. I can feel her anger rise when I get too forceful with her. Odd what thyroid disease does to your brain when it is not getting what it needs. Her poor husband suffers as much as she does. --- Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > > the TSH test is meaningless FOR ME. my TSH is always low or normal or even hyper but I > remain hypothyroid. TSH can be an interesting initial diagnostic tool but it is a small part > of the whole picture---except when TSH is high. Then IMO it would be very good to get thyroid > meds. I just read today of a woman whose TSH was 80 something and the doc kept her on 25mcg > $inthroid. HELLO The whole body suffers from untreated/poorly treated hypo. I have also > read that about 2/3 of the people who should be on thyroid meds have " normal " test results. I > guess that is the point of Hypothyrodiism Type 2 by Mark Starr MD. > And excuse me, but since mental illness is pervasive in my family, I like to think I have the > sensitivity to refrain from calling someone mentally unbalanced. I might think you are mentally > unbalanced b/c of thyroid/adrenal issues but why would I resort to name calling? > Gracia > > > > --- Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > > > I think my TSH b4 Armour was " perfect " and with > > TSH is > > meaningless for me. > > Gracia > > > > This is at least the second time in recent days you > have made this comment about TSH. > > I simply want to say that I am astonished by your > making this comment: 'TSH is meaningless for me.' > > Only a few months ago when I declined your advice > regarding TSH and said I was not concerned about the > lab report on my TSH you wrote a message about the > terrible things that could happen with TSH readings > like mine and implied that I am mentally unbalanced > because I chose to disregard the lab numbers. > > Abbe > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 You have to wonder what kind of doctor would keep this woman at a dose that kept her TSH so high. Maybe she wouldn't get mad if a doctor told her to take more. Brain perfusion studies have shown deficiencies when a person is hypo. With such long-standing hypothyroidism, she probably is now also hypoadrenal and would experience hyperthyroid symptoms if she took more thyroid, unless she also took hydrocortisone. And most doctors aren't knowledgable enough to give hydrocortisone in these situations. I suppose she'd really get mad at you if you suggested iodine to her. I haven't looked at the Armour site, but the recommendations I've seen say, if swallowing Armour, you should take it 30-60 minutes before meals and 2 to 3 hours after meals. It needs to be taken 4 hours after calcium or iron. If you take it sublingually, you can take it whenever, apart from a meal. Lynn > I know a woman who had a TSH of 2000 something! She has been on only 1 grain of Armour for a > number of years. She recent started taking an addition quarter of a grain and now she takes the > whole grain and a quarter at 4 a.m. Her recent blood work now shows a TSH of 140 and she is > convinced it is the 4 am schedule that did it not the extra quarter. She tells me that Armour has > it on their website that no food should be consumed within 4 hours after taking Armour (is this > true?). > > I am the reason that she went up at all in her dosage at all. I keep telling her my TSH is 1.7 > and I can take 2 grains and although I don't feel great on it, I feel a hell of a lot better than > she has for the last 10 years. She is seemingly addicted to feeling bad. I can feel her anger > rise when I get too forceful with her. Odd what thyroid disease does to your brain when it is not > getting what it needs. Her poor husband suffers as much as she does. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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