Re: Green Tea, Fluoride, and the Thyroid

[Guest guest]

, thanks for bringing attention to this unexpected source of

fluoride.

I am a tea drinker, both green and black and now I think it has been

contributing to my thyroid health problems. I am achey all the time

and I am thinking the fluoride may have something to do with it.

I have been looking to see if there is any caffeine containing tea

that is safe, that is fluoride-free, but I haven't found anything

yet. Does anyone know of anything? I will switch to coffee but I

don't care to drink very much of it and I need something stronger

than herbs in the morning.

It's my last vice, do I have to go caffeine free?

Oh, I came across these suggestions for de-toxing from fluoride today

and wanted to pass them on: http://www.tldp.com/issue/202/

Notes_Fluorine.htm

We had been thinking of putting in an infra-red sauna and this pretty

much clinches the idea as a " must-do " for me now.

> Green Tea, Fluoride, and the Thyroid

>

> Tea is very high in fluoride content. Fluoride in tea is much higher

> than the Maximum Contaminant Level (MCL) set for fluoride in drinking

> water.

>

> Tea leaves accumulate more fluoride (from pollution of soil and air)

> than any other edible plant

[Guest guest]

Thanks, , for the link on detoxing from fluoride. I've added it to the links in two places: Under Detoxing (under Clinical Pearls) and Under Fluoride (under Goitrogens).

Notes on Fluorine/Fluoride Detoxification Abdin. "During sauna-based detoxification, and during heavy exercise, fluorine appears to mobilize from body stores. In sufficient quantities, such dumping can cause the symptoms of acute fluorine poisoning and have serious consequences. The fluorine re-entering the circulation can cause acidity (possibly hydrofluoric acid or related compound). Several measures have been found helpful adjuncts to sauna detox and general alleviation of fluoride-intoxication symptoms: ...-- large quantities of supplemental calcium carbonate, which not only helps to de-acidify the body, but also binds fluorine --assisting in safe excretion of fluorine, and also helping replenish body calcium stores depleted by fluorine.....Once mobilization has been started, it may continue, with largest amounts of fluorine in circulation in the evenings. The supportive measures of water, calcium, deep breathing, and Stellaria tea can be utilized at any time as needed." http://www.tldp.com/issue/202/Notes_Fluorine.htm

Zoe

[Guest guest]

Someone probably already mentioned this, but I did not see it. Organic tea does not have fluoride.

Bonnie

[Guest guest]

The discussion was about inorganic fluoride and organic fluoride and whether it has the same deleterious effect on the thyroid, not organic tea :-)

Re: Green Tea, Fluoride, and the Thyroid

Someone probably already mentioned this, but I did not see it. Organic tea does not have fluoride.

Bonnie

[Guest guest]

You know I have heard that. That is why I only buy organic tea but I have

wondered if it is really true. Not to be a pest or or anything, but I

really like iced tea in the summer. Do you have a reference for this? I

would love to see it.

Thanks,

Irene

At 03:06 PM 4/13/2006, you wrote:

Someone probably already

mentioned this, but I did not see it. Organic tea does not have

fluoride.

Bonnie

[Guest guest]

On 4/13/06, braguet@... <braguet@...> wrote:

>

>

> Someone probably already mentioned this, but I did not see it. Organic tea

does not have fluoride.

>

> Bonnie

>

What makes you say that? Have you got a reference?

Alobar

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/13/2006 11:58:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Alobar@... writes:

On 4/13/06, braguet@... <braguet@...> wrote:>>> Someone probably already mentioned this, but I did not see it. Organic tea does not have fluoride.>> Bonnie> What makes you say that? Have you got a reference?Alobar

Alobar,

Sorry my reply has taken so long. I got my information from the book "Nourishing Traditions" by Sally Fallon. Sally Fallon is the president of Weston A. Price Foudation, a foundation that is dedicated to promoting health through healthy eating. I don't remember exactly where the info is, but will try to find it. Maybe Lynn R. would know she is the Atlanta chapter leader and a darn sight smarter than I am. Lynn?

Bonnie

PS I will start looking and get back with you on it.

[Guest guest]

There are many places that state there is no Flouride in organic tea. On the Kombucha group, happy herbalist and numerous other places as well as of course Sally Fallon.

Allyn

Re: Green Tea, Fluoride, and the Thyroid

In a message dated 4/13/2006 11:58:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Alobar@... writes:

On 4/13/06, braguet@... <braguet@...> wrote:>>> Someone probably already mentioned this, but I did not see it. Organic tea does not have fluoride.>> Bonnie> What makes you say that? Have you got a reference?Alobar

Alobar,

Sorry my reply has taken so long. I got my information from the book "Nourishing Traditions" by Sally Fallon. Sally Fallon is the president of Weston A. Price Foudation, a foundation that is dedicated to promoting health through healthy eating. I don't remember exactly where the info is, but will try to find it. Maybe Lynn R. would know she is the Atlanta chapter leader and a darn sight smarter than I am. Lynn?

Bonnie

PS I will start looking and get back with you on it.

[Guest guest]

Allyn, I just looked up all the references in Sally Fallon's Nourishing Traditions for fluoride and tea. I could not find a single place where she talked about the fluoride in tea.

To me, based upon what we know about fluoride, fluoride in water, fluoride in soils, and the nature of green tea, it makes no sense that there would be no Fluoride in organic tea. Anywhere there is fluoride in the soil or water, there will be fluoride in the tea.

Zoe

There are many places that state there is no Flouride in organic tea. On the Kombucha group, happy herbalist and numerous other places as well as of course Sally Fallon.

Allyn

[Guest guest]

I will try to find the places I have read it. Sorry, I have to go back to several places to see where I read it. I have read that several places and my chapter leader for WAP says the same thing. But, I will find the sources.

Allyn

Re: Green Tea, Fluoride, and the Thyroid

Allyn, I just looked up all the references in Sally Fallon's Nourishing Traditions for fluoride and tea. I could not find a single place where she talked about the fluoride in tea.

To me, based upon what we know about fluoride, fluoride in water, fluoride in soils, and the nature of green tea, it makes no sense that there would be no Fluoride in organic tea. Anywhere there is fluoride in the soil or water, there will be fluoride in the tea.

Zoe

There are many places that state there is no Flouride in organic tea. On the Kombucha group, happy herbalist and numerous other places as well as of course Sally Fallon.

Allyn

[Guest guest]

I was on the WAPF website looking for info on liver detox this

morning and stumbled across this, " Researchers looking at the toxic

effects of fluoride have recently raised concerns about kombucha

because most commercial tea is very high in fluoride. Fortunately,

kombucha made with organic tea contains very little fluoride. We had

fluoride levels tested in organic black tea and in the kombucha made

with the tea. The levels in the tea were only slightly higher than

those in the filtered water from which it was made and actually

slightly lower in the kombucha than in the black tea. These results

suggest that the process of fermentation actually removes some of

the fluoride from the tea and may explain why the

kombucha " mushroom " eventually gets black. "

http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/kvass.htm

Sharon

> I will try to find the places I have read it. Sorry, I have to go

back to several places to see where I read it. I have read that

several places and my chapter leader for WAP says the same thing.

But, I will find the sources.

> Allyn

>

>

> Allyn, I just looked up all the references in Sally Fallon's

Nourishing Traditions for fluoride and tea. I could not find a

single place where she talked about the fluoride in tea.

>

> To me, based upon what we know about fluoride, fluoride in

water, fluoride in soils, and the nature of green tea, it makes no

sense that there would be no Fluoride in organic tea. Anywhere

there is fluoride in the soil or water, there will be fluoride in

the tea.

>

> Zoe

>

>

> There are many places that state there is no Flouride in

organic tea. On the Kombucha group, happy herbalist and

numerous other places as well as of course Sally Fallon.

> Allyn

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Generally, I like Weston Price, but the quote below sounds

like bad science to me. Tea absorbs Fluoride from soil. Growing

tea organically will not get rid of Fluorine in soil.

Alobar

On 4/17/06, sharflin <sharflin@...> wrote:

> I was on the WAPF website looking for info on liver detox this

> morning and stumbled across this, " Researchers looking at the toxic

> effects of fluoride have recently raised concerns about kombucha

> because most commercial tea is very high in fluoride. Fortunately,

> kombucha made with organic tea contains very little fluoride. We had

> fluoride levels tested in organic black tea and in the kombucha made

> with the tea. The levels in the tea were only slightly higher than

> those in the filtered water from which it was made and actually

> slightly lower in the kombucha than in the black tea. These results

> suggest that the process of fermentation actually removes some of

> the fluoride from the tea and may explain why the

> kombucha " mushroom " eventually gets black. "

> http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/kvass.htm

> Sharon

>

[Guest guest]

I don't understand. Fluoride is an element. How could fermentation remove it??? Fermentation might change the form of fluoride. Zoe

Re: Green Tea, Fluoride, and the Thyroid

I was on the WAPF website looking for info on liver detox this morning and stumbled across this, "Researchers looking at the toxic effects of fluoride have recently raised concerns about kombucha because most commercial tea is very high in fluoride. Fortunately, kombucha made with organic tea contains very little fluoride. We had fluoride levels tested in organic black tea and in the kombucha made with the tea. The levels in the tea were only slightly higher than those in the filtered water from which it was made and actually slightly lower in the kombucha than in the black tea. These results suggest that the process of fermentation actually removes some of the fluoride from the tea and may explain why the kombucha "mushroom" eventually gets black."http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/kvass.htmSharon> I will try to find the places I have read it. Sorry, I have to go back to several places to see where I read it. I have read that several places and my chapter leader for WAP says the same thing. But, I will find the sources.> Allyn> > > Allyn, I just looked up all the references in Sally Fallon's Nourishing Traditions for fluoride and tea. I could not find a single place where she talked about the fluoride in tea. > > To me, based upon what we know about fluoride, fluoride in water, fluoride in soils, and the nature of green tea, it makes no sense that there would be no Fluoride in organic tea. Anywhere there is fluoride in the soil or water, there will be fluoride in the tea.> > Zoe> > > There are many places that state there is no Flouride in organic tea. On the Kombucha group, happy herbalist and numerous other places as well as of course Sally Fallon.> Allyn> > > >

[Guest guest]

I just found the reference in NT. "Non-organic tea is high in fluoride so always use organic tea." p 596 (at the end of the Kombucha recipe).

I still don't understand it. Are there requirements that organic teas be grown with non-fluoridated water on soils without fluorine???

Zoe

Allyn, I just looked up all the references in Sally Fallon's Nourishing Traditions for fluoride and tea. I could not find a single place where she talked about the fluoride in tea.

[Guest guest]

It sounds to me like the article is saying that the SCOBY absorbs

it.

Irene

At 01:09 PM 4/17/2006, you wrote:

I don't understand.

Fluoride is an element. How could fermentation remove it???

Fermentation might change the form of fluoride. Zoe

Re: Green Tea, Fluoride, and the Thyroid

I was on the WAPF website looking for info on liver detox this

morning and stumbled across this, " Researchers looking at the toxic

effects of fluoride have recently raised concerns about kombucha

because most commercial tea is very high in fluoride. Fortunately,

kombucha made with organic tea contains very little fluoride. We had

fluoride levels tested in organic black tea and in the kombucha made

with the tea. The levels in the tea were only slightly higher than

those in the filtered water from which it was made and actually

slightly lower in the kombucha than in the black tea. These results

suggest that the process of fermentation actually removes some of

the fluoride from the tea and may explain why the

kombucha " mushroom " eventually gets black. "

http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/kvass.htm

Sharon

> I will try to find the places I have read it. Sorry, I have to go

back to several places to see where I read it. I have read that

several places and my chapter leader for WAP says the same thing.

But, I will find the sources.

> Allyn

>

>

> Allyn, I just looked up all the references in Sally Fallon's

Nourishing Traditions for fluoride and tea. I could not find a

single place where she talked about the fluoride in tea.

>

> To me, based upon what we know about fluoride, fluoride in

water, fluoride in soils, and the nature of green tea, it makes no

sense that there would be no Fluoride in organic tea. Anywhere

there is fluoride in the soil or water, there will be fluoride in

the tea.

>

> Zoe

>

>

> There are many places that state there is no Flouride in

organic tea. On the Kombucha group, happy herbalist and

numerous other places as well as of course Sally Fallon.

> Allyn

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

One source of fluoride is certain pesticides. I heard in a fluoride

lecture that commercial grape juice is high in fluoride because of the

pesticides they use.

I don't know how much fluoride in the soil or water adds to the total

amount in the tea.

Irene

At 09:41 AM 4/17/2006, you wrote:

Generally, I like Weston Price, but the quote below sounds

like bad science to me. Tea absorbs Fluoride from

soil. Growing

tea organically will not get rid of Fluorine in soil.

Alobar

On 4/17/06, sharflin <sharflin@...> wrote:

> I was on the WAPF website looking for info on liver detox this

> morning and stumbled across this, " Researchers looking at the

toxic

> effects of fluoride have recently raised concerns about

kombucha

> because most commercial tea is very high in fluoride.

Fortunately,

> kombucha made with organic tea contains very little fluoride. We

had

> fluoride levels tested in organic black tea and in the kombucha

made

> with the tea. The levels in the tea were only slightly higher

than

> those in the filtered water from which it was made and actually

> slightly lower in the kombucha than in the black tea. These

results

> suggest that the process of fermentation actually removes some

of

> the fluoride from the tea and may explain why the

> kombucha " mushroom " eventually gets black. "

>

http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/kvass.htm

> Sharon

>

[Guest guest]

I have not had time to find where I read about flouride and organic tea (I promise I will find it) but it was not through WAP. It was on a Kombucha or organic tea page but I have read it in more than one place. They say the way organics are farmed is what makes the difference so that there is not flouride going into the soil it therefore it does not go into the tea. I disagree with the fermentation thing as well (personally) and actually someone on the kombucha site had his tested for caffeine and it did have caffeine and Sally Fallon says it doesn't. So... I don't know. But, I have read about the Flouride and I will try to find it. I am sorry but I have been really busy.

Allyn

Re: Re: Green Tea, Fluoride, and the Thyroid

Generally, I like Weston Price, but the quote below soundslike bad science to me. Tea absorbs Fluoride from soil. Growingtea organically will not get rid of Fluorine in soil.AlobarOn 4/17/06, sharflin <sharflin@...> wrote:> I was on the WAPF website looking for info on liver detox this> morning and stumbled across this, "Researchers looking at the toxic> effects of fluoride have recently raised concerns about kombucha> because most commercial tea is very high in fluoride. Fortunately,> kombucha made with organic tea contains very little fluoride. We had> fluoride levels tested in organic black tea and in the kombucha made> with the tea. The levels in the tea were only slightly higher than> those in the filtered water from which it was made and actually> slightly lower in the kombucha than in the black tea. These results> suggest that the process of fermentation actually removes some of> the fluoride from the tea and may explain why the> kombucha "mushroom" eventually gets black."> http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/kvass.htm> Sharon>

[Guest guest]

I really like the Kombucha Tea and Sally in NT advises against

commercial tea and for organic tea. A question also that I have is

does the Kombucha still contain caffeine or does it lose is during

the fermentation?

I am looking for a scobie...

susan

>

> I was on the WAPF website looking for info on liver detox this

> morning and stumbled across this, " Researchers looking at the

toxic

> effects of fluoride have recently raised concerns about kombucha

> because most commercial tea is very high in fluoride. Fortunately,

> kombucha made with organic tea contains very little fluoride. We

had

> fluoride levels tested in organic black tea and in the kombucha

made

> with the tea. The levels in the tea were only slightly higher than

> those in the filtered water from which it was made and actually

> slightly lower in the kombucha than in the black tea. These

results

> suggest that the process of fermentation actually removes some of

> the fluoride from the tea and may explain why the

> kombucha " mushroom " eventually gets black. "

> http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/kvass.htm

> Sharon

>

>

> > I will try to find the places I have read it. Sorry, I have to

go

> back to several places to see where I read it. I have read that

> several places and my chapter leader for WAP says the same thing.

> But, I will find the sources.

> > Allyn

> >

> >

> > Allyn, I just looked up all the references in Sally Fallon's

> Nourishing Traditions for fluoride and tea. I could not find a

> single place where she talked about the fluoride in tea.

> >

> > To me, based upon what we know about fluoride, fluoride in

> water, fluoride in soils, and the nature of green tea, it makes no

> sense that there would be no Fluoride in organic tea. Anywhere

> there is fluoride in the soil or water, there will be fluoride in

> the tea.

> >

> > Zoe

> >

> >

> > There are many places that state there is no Flouride in

> organic tea. On the Kombucha group, happy herbalist and

> numerous other places as well as of course Sally Fallon.

> > Allyn

> >

> >

> >

> >