Re: Magnesium and cortisol

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>I have been reading some of the posts on magnesium and low cortisol.

That you don't need it if your cortisol is low.

I'm in the process of having a 4 point adrenal test done but suspect

low cortisol, adrenal insufficiency.

I have just started taking extra magnesium(only 200mg) and some in

multi which i always take and vit d because i was getting cramps and

palpitations sometimes.

This morning i feel breathless like i'm going to have a panic

attack. Do you think this could be the extra magnesium i'm taking.

Would it be wise to not take anymore until i get results back. I'm

surprised this amount would have any impact. My last mineral test

showed i had high tissue calcium, that was back in january. I was

taking extra then for awhile, supplements i got and was recommended

to take from lab with no problem

I had orginally suspected wilsons for my low temperatures, which

have improved alot with other measures i've implemented. I have

been ill with a cold recently and have not exercised much and

funnily enough that coincides with much improved temperature, i've

heard you should not exercise if you have low cortisol so i'm now

suspecting adrenal function to be more the problem. I take iodine

in a thyroid support but not lugol's.

I know this is iodine site but you were talking about cortisol and

magnesium a few days ago i think. Get digest so don't follow all

threads.

Sally

[Guest guest]

Yes, the Calcium test is specific for calcium levels. It can indicate

the need for additional testing for a number of reasons. You could be

taking too much calcium. You may not have enough mag to balance it

out, meaning that it is not being used and ends up in your urine or as

kidney stones. You may be hypER thyroid and your body is pulling the

calcium out of your bones to use and you may then also be in danger of

osteoporosis.

This is what happened to me. It was ignored for years and I ended up,

at age 39 with horrible osteoporosis and too many kidney stones to

count. Nobody caught on. I am healing my bones the best that I can

now with Boniva. There are many pros and only a couple cons about

this type of therapy, but it should not be taken lightly. While the

cases of bad reactions are extremely low, for those few who have

problems the rate is 100%. check your meds for side effects,

contraindications and interactions yourself. Don't expect your doc or

pharmacist to catch everything or tell you everything. Knowledge is

power.

From my own personal experience, if you have high calcium, you

probably need thyroid levels checked- FT4 FT3 and TSH as well as TPOab

and PTH. Also a bone density test no matter your age. If doc doesn't

want to do it, tell him you just want a baseline. Remember, most

tests are done to rule things out, not to diagnose a problem. If all

those are in OPTIMAL (not normal) range, (this means get copies of

your actual lab reports) then perhaps you need to try a little more

mag to offset the calcium as calcium itself shouldn't be doing this to

you if your system is normal. It may be your calcitonin is off or any

number of other things including iodine levels as they will influence

those thyroid hormones as well.

Think of Calcium as the element that makes your muscles contract and

the mag makes them release. This is where lots of people have

problems is that ratio. If you take a little mag (like the liquid

CALM) and your symptoms improve then you can assume that you've hit on

something.

Good luck!

E (Ellen in Missouri)

> > >I have been reading some of the posts on magnesium and low cortisol.

> >That you don't need it if your cortisol is low.

> >I'm in the process of having a 4 point adrenal test done but suspect

> >low cortisol, adrenal insufficiency.

>

> Nothing is ever simple.

>

> I think with low cortisol, one should probably not supplement with

> magnesium. But, it is an extremely important mineral.

>

> Part of the problem is not everyone is the same. And low adrenal

experts,

> like Dr. Rind, Dr. think you should take magnesium. So, I can't

> refer to the support of any known doctors in this opinion.

>

> >

> >I have just started taking extra magnesium(only 200mg) and some in

> >multi which i always take and vit d because i was getting cramps and

> >palpitations sometimes.

>

> Magnesium is good for the heart. So, is CoQ10, and adequate thyroid

> medication. Having an untreated / undertreated is one of the worst

things

> you can do for your heart.

>

> >

> >This morning i feel breathless like i'm going to have a panic

> >attack.

>

> Magnesium in excess does depress respiration.

>

> Low thyroid also depressed respiration, which is why it's not

unusual for

> the hypothyroid to have low levels of CO2 in their blood before thyroid

> treatment. Low levels of CO2 mean poor efficiency of respiration.

>

> I know the adrenals also have some impact on respiration. I don't

know if

> that affects any lab tests like being hypothyroid does. It may

affect the

> CO2 level too.

>

>

> Do you think this could be the extra magnesium i'm taking.

> >Would it be wise to not take anymore until i get results back. I'm

> >surprised this amount would have any impact. My last mineral test

> >showed i had high tissue calcium, that was back in january. I was

> >taking extra then for awhile, supplements i got and was recommended

> >to take from lab with no problem

>

> Calcium and magnesium should be in balance. What is high tissue

calcium?

> Is that a special test?

>

> >

> >I know this is iodine site but you were talking about cortisol and

> >magnesium a few days ago i think. Get digest so don't follow all

> >threads.

>

> Yes, I think two drops of Lugol's a day really helps my adrenals.

>

> Skipper

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[Guest guest]

I think we've had this discussion before, but that's ok.

I had no choice. At 39 I was so severely affected by osteoporosis

that I barely registered on the scale. Several breaks later I am

doing better. " natural " methods didn't work for me because the

" problem " has not been fixed. Only the " symptom " of osteoporosis

remains, but needed to be dealt with asap. I am trying to fix the

problem in the meantime, and took the drug for 2 years before going

off. I just had another scan done. I have not broken a bone in a

year. I am doing the best that I can for my particular situation.

Others would not choose to do so- that is their choice. I didn't

really have a choice as I was already made of glass. Even marble is

stronger than glass.

E

>

> > Yes, the Calcium test is specific for calcium levels. It can indicate

> > the need for additional testing for a number of reasons. You could be

> > taking too much calcium. You may not have enough mag to balance it

> > out, meaning that it is not being used and ends up in your urine or as

> > kidney stones. You may be hypER thyroid and your body is pulling the

> > calcium out of your bones to use and you may then also be in danger of

> > osteoporosis.

> >

> > .

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

At age 42, 20 yrs just puts me into my " golden years " . Really,

reaching my " golden years " is my only goal.

E

> >

> >>Yes, the Calcium test is specific for calcium levels. It can indicate

> >>the need for additional testing for a number of reasons. You could be

> >>taking too much calcium. You may not have enough mag to balance it

> >>out, meaning that it is not being used and ends up in your urine or as

> >>kidney stones. You may be hypER thyroid and your body is pulling the

> >>calcium out of your bones to use and you may then also be in danger of

> >>osteoporosis.

> >>

> >>.

> >>

> >>

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Nope, no progesterone, and barely any estrogen as I had endometriosis

that required ablation and getting everything jerked.

I used to crave sugary things, but now I don't. I don't even do soda

but once in a very great while. I stick to my fresh fruits and

veggies and feel the best that way. I do drink juices as well, but

try to stick with those that are 100% juice and no sugary garbage. I

can't even say I'm a tea totaller because I don't do tea or coffee- no

caffeine of any kind, no booze, no cigarettes, no nothing. I don't

even do dessert unless we're out at a friend's or a restaurant.

Boy, it's a boring life!

E

>

> > I think we've had this discussion before, but that's ok.

> >

> > I had no choice. At 39 I was so severely affected by osteoporosis

> > that I barely registered on the scale. Several breaks later I am

> > doing better. " natural " methods didn't work for me because the

> > " problem " has not been fixed. Only the " symptom " of osteoporosis

> > remains, but needed to be dealt with asap. I am trying to fix the

> > problem in the meantime, and took the drug for 2 years before going

> > off. I just had another scan done. I have not broken a bone in a

> > year. I am doing the best that I can for my particular situation.

> > Others would not choose to do so- that is their choice. I didn't

> > really have a choice as I was already made of glass. Even marble is

> > stronger than glass.

> >

> > E

> >

> > .

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am on Levoxyl and Cytomel. Keeping Armour in our back pockets

because of allergy worries (I am slightly allergic to pork and don't

want to get antibodies started, but realize that someday that may be

my only option. I can't survive on T4 alone- probably needing

selenium and Mag to balance things out as well, but still looking for

those magic numbers)

E

>

> > At age 42, 20 yrs just puts me into my " golden years " . Really,

> > reaching my " golden years " is my only goal.

> >

> > E

> >

> > .

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

No, not him specifically that I know of. I know that high levels of

progesterone, or progesterone only treatments scan cause osteoporosis.

Is there more?

E (Ellen in Missouri)

>

> > Nope, no progesterone, and barely any estrogen as I had endometriosis

> > that required ablation and getting everything jerked.

> >

> > I used to crave sugary things, but now I don't. I don't even do soda

> > but once in a very great while. I stick to my fresh fruits and

> > veggies and feel the best that way. I do drink juices as well, but

> > try to stick with those that are 100% juice and no sugary garbage. I

> > can't even say I'm a tea totaller because I don't do tea or coffee- no

> > caffeine of any kind, no booze, no cigarettes, no nothing. I don't

> > even do dessert unless we're out at a friend's or a restaurant.

> >

> > Boy, it's a boring life!

> >

> > E

> >

> > .

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thyroid replacement of any kind is considered a red flag for

osteoporosis, as is unregulated thyroid levels in either direction.

So far the Boniva has worked great for me in helping regulate things a

little. I had high calcium blood levels without it, not sure what's

pulling it from my bones, but that's what was happening. Nobody has

figured it out yet. My other minerals tested out fine (didn't do

selenium, which I am currently interested in pursuing, but I don't

think that would necessarily influence bone resorption directly

anyway. I would prefer to get the problem fixed, not simply deal with

the symptom of Osteoporosis, so I just keep searching for answers that

so far no on else has been able to give me.

E (Ellen in Missouri)

>

> > I am on Levoxyl and Cytomel. Keeping Armour in our back pockets

> > because of allergy worries (I am slightly allergic to pork and don't

> > want to get antibodies started, but realize that someday that may be

> > my only option. I can't survive on T4 alone- probably needing

> > selenium and Mag to balance things out as well, but still looking for

> > those magic numbers)

> >

> > E

> >

> > .

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have had a total spay job (LOL!)- complete hysterectomy due to

endometriosis that was quite severe with adhesions, etc. Have to keep

the hormones to a bare minimum. Also have migraine trouble with

hormones. Was told with the hyster that progesterone (of either

type) was contraindicated and could cause me trouble. Do you know of

research to the opposite train of thought?

Thanks!

E

>

> > No, not him specifically that I know of. I know that high levels of

> > progesterone, or progesterone only treatments scan cause osteoporosis.

> > Is there more?

> >

> > E (Ellen in Missouri)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That's basically where I'm at at this point having accomplished

everything on this list. I agree 100% as I have deposits in my

abdomen and brain as well. Nobody even told me about these tho, I

found that out when I asked for copies of my actual reports and then

saw my x-rays, mri's etc. They're indicated as " benign " and normal

for elderly people. I've had them since my late 20's and am now early

forties. My body looks like I'm in my early 30's but acts like I'm

90. Ugh!

E (Ellen in Missouri)

>

> > Thyroid replacement of any kind is considered a red flag for

> > osteoporosis, as is unregulated thyroid levels in either direction.

> > So far the Boniva has worked great for me in helping regulate things a

> > little. I had high calcium blood levels without it, not sure what's

> > pulling it from my bones, but that's what was happening. Nobody has

> > figured it out yet. My other minerals tested out fine (didn't do

> > selenium, which I am currently interested in pursuing, but I don't

> > think that would necessarily influence bone resorption directly

> > anyway. I would prefer to get the problem fixed, not simply deal with

> > the symptom of Osteoporosis, so I just keep searching for answers that

> > so far no on else has been able to give me.

> >

> > E (Ellen in Missouri)

> >

> > .

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ellen,

I read something that may be relevant to your calcifation problem

today...

Below is a quote from Dr. Bruce West's November 06 Health Alert

newsletter:

" Selerosing of your heart valves is frequently caused by the same

deficiency of vitamin F - which is needed to deliver calcium from the

bloodstream into the muscles. Without adequate vitamin F, calcium

precipitates out of the blood and into areas of stress like heart

valves, essentially slowly calcifying them - the definition of

sclerosis. This same kind of vitamin F deficiency also can cause

calcium to precipitate out of your blood into the kidneys (kidney

stones), eyes (cataracts), and joints (arthritis). "

He has some other supplement recommendations but for vitamin F, it

seems his main rec. is for Standard Process brand Cataplex F.

Wishing you the best,

Sharon

> Thyroid replacement of any kind is considered a red flag for

> osteoporosis, as is unregulated thyroid levels in either direction.

> So far the Boniva has worked great for me in helping regulate

things a

> little. I had high calcium blood levels without it, not sure what's

> pulling it from my bones, but that's what was happening. Nobody has

> figured it out yet. My other minerals tested out fine (didn't do

> selenium, which I am currently interested in pursuing, but I don't

> think that would necessarily influence bone resorption directly

> anyway. I would prefer to get the problem fixed, not simply deal

with

> the symptom of Osteoporosis, so I just keep searching for answers

that

> so far no on else has been able to give me.

>

> E (Ellen in Missouri)

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > I am on Levoxyl and Cytomel. Keeping Armour in our back pockets

> > > because of allergy worries (I am slightly allergic to pork and

don't

> > > want to get antibodies started, but realize that someday that

may be

> > > my only option. I can't survive on T4 alone- probably needing

> > > selenium and Mag to balance things out as well, but still

looking for

> > > those magic numbers)

> > >

> > > E

> > >

> > > .

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, yes, and the cortisol came out fine. Also the progesterone

levels when I was prescribed the Fosamax, then Boniva as well as all

the other " menopause panel " hormones.

E

>

> >From: " Ellen " <ellen@...>

>

> >Thyroid replacement of any kind is considered a red flag for

> >osteoporosis, as is unregulated thyroid levels in either direction.

> >So far the Boniva has worked great for me in helping regulate things a

> >little. I had high calcium blood levels without it, not sure what's

> >pulling it from my bones, but that's what was happening. Nobody has

> >figured it out yet.

>

> I'm assuming they already looked for cancer and

hyperparathyroiidism? Or

> did they just go ahead and say " take two boniva and call me in the

morning? "

>

> How's your adrenal function?

>

> http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic260.htm

> " Endocrinopathies (nonparathyroid) - Hyperthyroidism, adrenal

insufficiency,

> and pheochromocytoma "

>

> Skipper

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[Guest guest]

I know a lot of docs- there's a college here for osteopaths. I

honestly think they get so busy that they don't want to worry people

over what they see to be considered unimportant. Many only look for

flags on labs and tests and if there's no flags they don't look

further. Specialists are trained to fix one part of the " machine " but

forget to see the entire body as a machine, they see only their part.

I think often times, they just honestly don't know.

E

>

> > That's basically where I'm at at this point having accomplished

> > everything on this list. I agree 100% as I have deposits in my

> > abdomen and brain as well. Nobody even told me about these tho, I

> > found that out when I asked for copies of my actual reports and then

> > saw my x-rays, mri's etc. They're indicated as " benign " and normal

> > for elderly people. I've had them since my late 20's and am now early

> > forties. My body looks like I'm in my early 30's but acts like I'm

> > 90. Ugh!

> >

> > E (Ellen in Missouri)

> >

> > .

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Very interesting. Can't say that I've heard of Vit. F before.

You guys have given me a lot to research. I hope I can find the time

to do it- this is going to be killer the next few weeks, but I really

do want to do some reading. If anybody has any links to research they

would be willing to send me on any of this I would LOVE to follow up

on them if you would send them to me.

Thanks all!

Ellen

> > >

> > > > I am on Levoxyl and Cytomel. Keeping Armour in our back pockets

> > > > because of allergy worries (I am slightly allergic to pork and

> don't

> > > > want to get antibodies started, but realize that someday that

> may be

> > > > my only option. I can't survive on T4 alone- probably needing

> > > > selenium and Mag to balance things out as well, but still

> looking for

> > > > those magic numbers)

> > > >

> > > > E

> > > >

> > > > .

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>