kelp?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I am new to the group and am taking Armour Thyroid 30mg / day and Iodoral 2 / day. At first, I really felt the Iodoral but now it is not as signficant. (Could be my baseline was raised)

But I am also interested in natural Kelp for treatment. Is there a better kind of kelp to use. I have heard that you can take pretty high doses safely.

Also, I know that Iodine interacts with other minerals and wanting to supplement those if necessary. Any suggestions for supplementation?

[Guest guest]

Hi, . Welcome to the group!

You bring up the subject of kelp. For me, the question is, "Is kelp an effective way to supplement iodine?" I still don't have an answer for this, and I would love for someone to take this on as a research project. Maybe you, , or maybe someone else interested in kelp.

Kelp has very high levels of iodine. Moreover, it comes with accompanying minerals. That makes it seem ideal. However, it also seems to have high levels of bromine. The Japanese studies, where they ingest large amounts of seaweed, have been very controversial. On the one hand, they report very good health with the seaweed. On the other hand, they report various thyroid problems. Some blame the thyroid problems on the iodine, others blame them on the bromine or other goitrogens. Surely, someone must have studied this important issue. It doesn't seem as if it would be that hard to design a rat study based on kelp feeding.

If someone is interested in researching this and letting us know what they discover, one place to start would be by looking at the Japanese studies referenced by Abraham. It is such a crucial issue.

Zoe

kelp?

Hi,

I am new to the group and am taking Armour Thyroid 30mg / day and Iodoral 2 / day. At first, I really felt the Iodoral but now it is not as signficant. (Could be my baseline was raised)

But I am also interested in natural Kelp for treatment. Is there a better kind of kelp to use. I have heard that you can take pretty high doses safely.

Also, I know that Iodine interacts with other minerals and wanting to supplement those if necessary. Any suggestions for supplementation?

[Guest guest]

Hi Zoe,

I have had natural practitioners recommend kelp only with glandular supplementation. She was very big on the minerals that it provides. She said that it would work in three months and when it didn't work in four, I went back to Armour. Now someone has recommended Fulvic Minerals. I also remember using Cataplex F which contains more thyroid factors than just the minerals.

Some practitioners say " Take Thyroid replacements no matter what " and some have said " If you take Thyroid replacement, it will suppress normal function. " It is hard to know which camp to stay in and I don't have alot of $$ to experiment with what happens when one does either of them or both.

I do remember in the online video, making mention of the Japanese being able to eat soy more than us because of their high iodine intake.

I am doing a parasite cleanse where you take fairly high quantities of sea salt and vitamin c. There is trace amounts of iodine in there too.

What are some of the effects of taking in too much bromine?

On 2/11/06, Zoe & <ZOEA@...> wrote:

Hi, . Welcome to the group!

You bring up the subject of kelp. For me, the question is, " Is kelp an effective way to supplement iodine? " I still don't have an answer for this, and I would love for someone to take this on as a research project. Maybe you, , or maybe someone else interested in kelp.

Kelp has very high levels of iodine. Moreover, it comes with accompanying minerals. That makes it seem ideal. However, it also seems to have high levels of bromine. The Japanese studies, where they ingest large amounts of seaweed, have been very controversial. On the one hand, they report very good health with the seaweed. On the other hand, they report various thyroid problems. Some blame the thyroid problems on the iodine, others blame them on the bromine or other goitrogens. Surely, someone must have studied this important issue. It doesn't seem as if it would be that hard to design a rat study based on kelp feeding.

If someone is interested in researching this and letting us know what they discover, one place to start would be by looking at the Japanese studies referenced by Abraham. It is such a crucial issue.

Zoe

kelp?

Hi,

I am new to the group and am taking Armour Thyroid 30mg / day and Iodoral 2 / day. At first, I really felt the Iodoral but now it is not as signficant. (Could be my baseline was raised)

But I am also interested in natural Kelp for treatment. Is there a better kind of kelp to use. I have heard that you can take pretty high doses safely.

Also, I know that Iodine interacts with other minerals and wanting to supplement those if necessary. Any suggestions for supplementation?

[Guest guest]

I can add a few things here...

Thyroid supplementation is very difficult to regulate. It works like magic for awhile, and then can cause problems. Taking it at night between 6-7 pm helps alot. My sister just told me this is the preferred time. BC pills need to be taken 12 hrs away from this. She is taking Synthroid and is a medical professional herself. Timing it around your periods is also important... you take half during the menses and go back to your regular dose when it's over. My sister figured this out the hard way. She added some adrenal stuff too and things are much better.

Detoxified Kelp/Seaweed comes in so many forms that do next to nothing... it's difficult to sort them all out. Modafilan is an expensive brown seaweed supposed to pull radiation toxins, but Gigantica red kelp somebody I know was prescribed costs less and worked much better. I could not handle any of them for allergic reasons. This is a science unto itself, and I'm not sure the legwork has really been done by the supplement companies pushing them.

We've done really well with the Fulvic Mineral capsules sold here... www.vitalearth.org Just one with the evening meal helps alot, and they are inexpensive. Fulvic and humic acids kill and pull mercury/metals, so is a natural adjuvant to iodine therapy, and has traditionally been used as Shilajit. ...tls

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From: O'N

Hi Zoe,

I have had natural practitioners recommend kelp only with glandular supplementation. She was very big on the minerals that it provides. She said that it would work in three months and when it didn't work in four, I went back to Armour. Now someone has recommended Fulvic Minerals. I also remember using Cataplex F which contains more thyroid factors than just the minerals.

Some practitioners say "Take Thyroid replacements no matter what" and some have said "If you take Thyroid replacement, it will suppress normal function." It is hard to know which camp to stay in and I don't have alot of $$ to experiment with what happens when one does either of them or both.

I do remember in the online video, making mention of the Japanese being able to eat soy more than us because of their high iodine intake.

I am doing a parasite cleanse where you take fairly high quantities of sea salt and vitamin c. There is trace amounts of iodine in there too.

What are some of the effects of taking in too much bromine?

[Guest guest]

Thanks very much, I have been debating whether to take the fulvic minerals by recommendation.

I think that it is true, the hormones fluctuate so much. I get chills sometime and other times okay. I have been de-stressing and trying to follow the fluctuations to try figure it out and what works.

namaste

On 2/11/06, tlsmith_1 <tlsmith_1@...> wrote:

I can add a few things here...

Thyroid supplementation is very difficult to regulate. It works like magic for awhile, and then can cause problems. Taking it at night between 6-7 pm helps alot. My sister just told me this is the preferred time. BC pills need to be taken 12 hrs away from this. She is taking Synthroid and is a medical professional herself. Timing it around your periods is also important... you take half during the menses and go back to your regular dose when it's over. My sister figured this out the hard way. She added some adrenal stuff too and things are much better.

Detoxified Kelp/Seaweed comes in so many forms that do next to nothing... it's difficult to sort them all out. Modafilan is an expensive brown seaweed supposed to pull radiation toxins, but Gigantica red kelp somebody I know was prescribed costs less and worked much better. I could not handle any of them for allergic reasons. This is a science unto itself, and I'm not sure the legwork has really been done by the supplement companies pushing them.

We've done really well with the Fulvic Mineral capsules sold here...

www.vitalearth.org Just one with the evening meal helps alot, and they are inexpensive. Fulvic and humic acids kill and pull mercury/metals, so is a natural adjuvant to iodine therapy, and has traditionally been used as Shilajit. ...tls

----- Original Message -----

From: O'N

Hi Zoe,

I have had natural practitioners recommend kelp only with glandular supplementation. She was very big on the minerals that it provides. She said that it would work in three months and when it didn't work in four, I went back to Armour. Now someone has recommended Fulvic Minerals. I also remember using Cataplex F which contains more thyroid factors than just the minerals.

Some practitioners say " Take Thyroid replacements no matter what " and some have said " If you take Thyroid replacement, it will suppress normal function. " It is hard to know which camp to stay in and I don't have alot of $$ to experiment with what happens when one does either of them or both.

I do remember in the online video, making mention of the Japanese being able to eat soy more than us because of their high iodine intake.

I am doing a parasite cleanse where you take fairly high quantities of sea salt and vitamin c. There is trace amounts of iodine in there too.

What are some of the effects of taking in too much bromine?

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

Apparently Kelp is a NO no inasmuch as it ‘hits’

the thyroid in such a way as to cause disruption. Lugol’s Iodine –

I am using it for Hashimoto’s under the direction of a Dr I see and was

most surprised it is having only good effects. BUT I would not take this

therapy unless I was told I was low in iodine – which I am and was tested

for it.

Kind regards

Mandy

[Guest guest]

Are you in the UK Mandy ...where did you do the test please? Do you take the

companion supplements suggested by the Iodine Protocol?

Thanks.

Trish

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> Hi all,

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> Apparently Kelp is a NO no inasmuch as it 'hits' the thyroid in such a way

> as to cause disruption. Lugol's Iodine - I am using it for Hashimoto's

> under the direction of a Dr I see and was most surprised it is having only

> good effects. BUT I would not take this therapy unless I was told I was low

> in iodine - which I am and was tested for it.

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> Kind regards

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> Mandy

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[Guest guest]

Hi

Dare to even mention either Dr Abraham and/or Dr Brownstein and

Iodine on the Hypothyroidism group, and a couple of buys there literally

blow a fuse. Interestingly enough, Dr Peatfield was telling me about his

renewed interest in treating with iodine, and he too believes that those with

Hashimoto's disease can, and that some should, take iodine supplements. He has

just written a new book and told me he has a new chapter about the great

benefits of iodine. He was quite excited about his recent discovery. I believe

this came about because he went to a recent lecture by one or the other of them

in London. I think his new book is going to be called " The Great Thyroid

Scandal Revisited " .

Luv - Sheila

There is a study that has

been done on kelp. The researchers took the top 9 best selling products

and analysed them for heavy metals. 8 out of the 9 had high levels of

arsenic in them. Here is the link.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/554843_4

I belong to the

Iodine Group and I have Hashimoto's disease. I have been taking iodine

for 18 months and I have not had a Hashi attack. The Iodine Group

take iodine following a protocol using other supplements which seem to protect

the thyroid from a Hashi attack, although there have been exceptions.

You can find this protocol on

www.breastcancerchoices.org,

www.optimox.com, or www.naturalthyroidchoices.com.

The last address is the site of the woman who runs the Iodine Group,

Buist.

For detailed information

about taking iodine with Hashi go to the optimox site and look at the article

" Fact about Iodine and Auto-immune Thyroiditis " by Dr Guy

Abraham. In three pages he explains why the Iodine Protocol does not

provoke a Hashi attack. This is the only in depth explanation I have read

about exactly what goes on with H's disease. All the other explanations

were very vague " pregnancy, stress, genetics, etc... " .

Hope this helps,

MacGilchrist

[Guest guest]

HI FIONA

I went in H & B once when I felt rotten and ask if they had a liquid vitamin of

some sort a natural one, and it had KELP in it, and is a form of iron, but it

did not have a good effect and I took it to my GP who took a look at the

ingrediants and he told me not to take it. I have also read somewhere else that

this KELP does not help ones thyroid. I do not tend to take advice from shops

like H & B as they want to sell their goods and they know nothing about medical

matters.

Kathleen

[Guest guest]

Hi, Obviously having the optimum vits and minerals that support thyroid function will help you make the best of whatever thyroid function you have. It cannot be sufficient once thyroid secretion has reduced beyond a certain limit- I believe about 90% destruction. In cases where thyroid function is still limping along this may help, but you'd do better looking at iron vitD vit C selenium and zinc IMHO as well as candida and adrenal insufficiency. > thyroid treatment > From: dollymedlock@...> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:03:44 +0000> Subject: Re: Kelp?> > > > One of my work colleagues was diagnosed hypo last year. She refused T4 and is taking Kelp and Hops from Nature's Sunshine, which she swears has brought her blood levels back to 'normal' and has relieved all her symptoms. Hypo is hereditary in her family, but she does not have Hashis.> > As someone who is subclinically hypo but cannot so far get treated, I wonder if there is anything in this for me?> > D> > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >