Re: Mineral sources, was: Nutritional Value of Organic Foods

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--- Heidi <heidis@...> wrote:

> The real mystery to me is: how can a chicken eat

> smashed oyster

> shells and not die from all those sharp edges? Much

> less digest

> the calcium out of them?

Well, the seagulls where I live are quite smart.

They fly high up in the air and drop the oysters down

on to the cement pathways to break and open them. I'm

sure the chickens know how to grind little pieces of

the shells up so there's no sharp edges.

The most

> interesting

> " transmutation " thing I've heard recently is about

> gold deposits. Some researcher believes that the

> gold deposits that exist were laid down by

> *bacteria*

> that extracted the gold from seawater. How cool

> would

> that be? Turning ocean water into gold?

>

> -- Heidi

That would be really cool, Heidi

Abbe

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I respectfully ask that this discussion thread return to the topic of iodine.

Thank you.

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Rick Wagner wrote:

> Chickens don't eat shells. They eat mica. Mica is silica. Their gizzards

> are designed to break it down into a usable form. The theory is that the

> chicken can them metabolically convert the silica into calcium. This is one

> example of transmutation.

> Rick

>

Who said " chickens don't eat shells " ? I mean, that's what

they sell for chickens at the coop, and that's what

everyone I've ever heard of feeds them. If my chickens

could convert silica into calcium, then they would

eat the sand in the soil and I wouldn't have to go

out and buy them oyster shells. But magnesium mica

seems to be used in supplements to make stronger

eggshells ... which might mean some hens need more

magnesium or silica, both of which are also needed

for strong shells. Silica is pretty amazing stuff ... it also

pulls toxins out of the gut, and might help kill parasites.

-- Heidi

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I am very interested in Rick's POV.

gracia

Every chicken I have evern known has eaten oyster shells and other

Calcium rich supplements.

I am not a list moderator, Rick, so I sure can't tell you what to do.

But your continuous outrageous pseudo-science claims sure don't seem

to me to belong on a list like this.

Were I just exploring the Iodine list for the first time and saw your

posts about transmution of elements, I would probably unsubscribe.

I respect most of the posts made here, but your pseudo-science sure

degrades overall list quality, imo.

I have plenty of interests which would not be appropriatew on this

list. I save comments on those interests for lists where they would

be appropriate.

Alobar

On 8/2/06, Rick Wagner <rickwagner@...> wrote:

> Chickens don't eat shells. They eat mica. Mica is silica. Their gizzards

> are designed to break it down into a usable form. The theory is that the

> chicken can them metabolically convert the silica into calcium. This is one

> example of transmutation.

> Rick

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>From: " Gracia " <circe@...>

>

> I am very interested in Rick's POV.

> gracia

Doesn't mean it shouldn't be critiqued, as that's how we learn.

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agreed agreed--but don't tell him his POV isn't welcome here.

Gracia

> >From: " Gracia " <circe@...>

>

>>

>> I am very interested in Rick's POV.

>> gracia

>

> Doesn't mean it shouldn't be critiqued, as that's how we learn.

>

> Skipper

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Not sure but don't birds need gravel to churn up their food?

On Aug 2, 2006, at 11:38 AM, Abbe wrote:

>

>

> --- Heidi <heidis@...> wrote:

>

>

>> The real mystery to me is: how can a chicken eat

>> smashed oyster

>> shells and not die from all those sharp edges? Much

>> less digest

>> the calcium out of them?

>

>

> Well, the seagulls where I live are quite smart.

> They fly high up in the air and drop the oysters down

> on to the cement pathways to break and open them. I'm

> sure the chickens know how to grind little pieces of

> the shells up so there's no sharp edges.

>

>

> The most

>> interesting

>> " transmutation " thing I've heard recently is about

>> gold deposits. Some researcher believes that the

>> gold deposits that exist were laid down by

>> *bacteria*

>> that extracted the gold from seawater. How cool

>> would

>> that be? Turning ocean water into gold?

>>

>> -- Heidi

>

> That would be really cool, Heidi

>

>

>

> Abbe

>

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Yeah, the info on silica was interesting, as I know animals eat clay and I

used to eat dirt as a child. Maybe there was something in it I needed that

I recognized back then.

I don't know about transmutation (one way or the other, neither pro nor

con.)

Skipper

>From: " Gracia " <circe@...>

>agreed agreed--but don't tell him his POV isn't welcome here.

>Gracia

>

> > >From: " Gracia " <circe@...>

> >

> >>

> >> I am very interested in Rick's POV.

> >> gracia

> >

> > Doesn't mean it shouldn't be critiqued, as that's how we learn.

> >

> > Skipper

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Parashis wrote:

> Not sure but don't birds need gravel to churn up their food?

>

Right, because they don't have teeth. Usually they

just eat bits of sand from the dirt though. Oyster

shells are, like 1/4 inch chunks which they swallow

whole, and they have knife-sharp edges. These

get crunched up in their gizzard ... you probably know

what chicken gizzards look like. So why don't

those sharp edges hurt them? It's a mystery!

Also amazingly they digest those big chunks, at

least enough to get their minerals. They used

to sell ground-up oyster shell in calcium supplements

for humans too, which I guess worked fine, but

some oysters have high lead content in their shells,

so they stopped the practice, I think. You can

get ground up cow bone still though, which has

similar effects. The whole bone, or the whole oyster

shell, has a lot of minerals in it, not just calcium, in

a form that is better for building bone that just plain

calcium is.

-- Heidi

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You had Pica as a child. Pica, the persistent ingestion of one or more

nonnutritive substances,

is most commonly associated with iron deficiency anemia. It may also be linked

to zinc deficiency,

mental retardation, developmental delay, and a family history of pica (5).

--- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

> Yeah, the info on silica was interesting, as I know animals eat clay and I

> used to eat dirt as a child. Maybe there was something in it I needed that

> I recognized back then.

>

> I don't know about transmutation (one way or the other, neither pro nor

> con.)

>

> Skipper

>

>

>

> >From: " Gracia " <circe@...>

>

> >agreed agreed--but don't tell him his POV isn't welcome here.

> >Gracia

> >

> > > >From: " Gracia " <circe@...>

> > >

> > >>

> > >> I am very interested in Rick's POV.

> > >> gracia

> > >

> > > Doesn't mean it shouldn't be critiqued, as that's how we learn.

> > >

> > > Skipper

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They have crops. Have you ever eaten chicken gizzards?

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> The real mystery to me is: how can a chicken eat smashed oyster

> shells and not die from all those sharp edges? Much less digest

> the calcium out of them?

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Ives wrote:

> They have crops. Have you ever eaten chicken gizzards?

>

Right! I love them. But oyster shells are *sharp*. I'd think

they would cut into some tissue as they were being

digested. Mostly I was kinda being humorous. My goats

eat blackberry thorns too ... another mystery in life!

-- Heidi